Why you CAN'T Throw Far…What the PROS really do for Big Distance 

I'm still pretty new to the game and this video has me questioning why I even run up. It's counterproductive to what we are trying to achieve until timing is perfect. I think there will be value in starting with a deeper back leg knee bend with a slight twist to where you feel the power in your RHBH left glute and then explode forward. I can't wait to get out of this cubicle and get out and try some stuff. Great video.

Going to give this a watch. Thanks for taking the time to make this.

Although I say it in almost every video. I forgot to mention that this is the Athletic version. I'm describing something young, mobile, and very athletic athletes are doing. Not everyone will be physically capable of this...stay safe and listen to your body

Love the baseball analogy. I played baseball my entire life, and this is exactly how I taught myself to throw when i got into disc golf about 13 years ago. No need to run up, just a slow X-step that gets the hips turned and in a position of power. Weight back, explode with the hips, and let the hand follow. Only difference between the two is the follow through

Finally understand “the weight shift happens from behind”. Thanks for your awesome videos and explanations.

Phenomenal video, want to add some context from another sport: I was a D-1 javelin thrower and the exact same principle applies. In javelin, the front leg is referred to as the “block leg” as it is responsible for blocking all of the energy of the run up, transferring it into the hips, torso, and ultimately the throw. The back leg, known as the penultimate step (obnoxious I know) is a hotly debated topic. Because of the speed of a javelin run up, most beginners and even successful collegiate throwers think of the penultimate step as merely a passive delivery to the block leg. This can work for moderate success, but what it creates is a massive amount of force being transferred through only one leg, and a kinetic chain that has to fire so quickly that timing becomes hard to keep consistent. The epiphany that changed my throwing both in javelin and years later in disc golf (though I’m far from perfecting it) is that using the back leg to actively prepare or “coil” the whole kinetic chain creates more power, more consistent timing, and reduces wear and tear on the whole body but especially the front leg. Rather than viewing the front leg as a block that your momentum swings around, view both legs as opposing forces, that force your hips and torso to uncoil around. I think the one addition I’d make to this video is that this kind of force can be dangerous. Flexibility and joint stability is king in any throwing sport. If you can’t hit these positions in stretching and weight lifting exercise, you can expect to hurt yourself when you hit them time and time again in the throw. So get in the gym, get flexible, get explosive, and go sling shot some bombs. If you’ve made it this far I commend your commitment to a random internet commenters words!

Best advice Ive seen. Has been game changer. Throwing further but also more consistent release. Ive always been "feel" player in most sports and drilling this has been huge. Really no different in baseball swing, golf swing or throwing a punch. Weight shift is the key while relaxing to achieve smooth power. I really got bogged down in a lot of tecnical stuff. Thanks

Front leggers unite! If we join together and try really hard, we can defeat these back leggers!

Thank you so much for this side by side comparison….it exposed my lower body flaws. Can’t wait to try to fix it.

You are a disc golf genius I’ve been looking for content like this forever!

I really like the back view of Brodie, it shows a lot of what you talk about very clearly that can't be seen from the front

Out all your videos this one breaks down big distance the best. These elements in combination with timing is what got me to 500’.

great timing on this video. This is the EXACT issue I've been trying to figure out with my mechanics. Now I have something to work with.

Just sitting here at my desk and analyzing my own throw in my mind, I think you're right. Looking forward to giving this a shot.

I am so glad I saw your video. At 65 and relatively new to the game I was throwing off the front foot and I could feel the twisting my knee was taking with all my weight on it. You saved me from an ACL that was surely right around the corner if I have kept that up. Thank you for teaching. What a gift you are!!

Considering I played soccer my whole life and power lifting for about 4 years leading up to me starting disc golf about a year and a half ago, what you explained gives me a lot of hope to break past my distance barrier. Cant wait to get out in the field to try this out and put my leg strength to work!

Brilliant analysis. Like Brody, I came from an Ultimate background to disc golf. In Ultimate your back leg is a pivot - almost every throw comes with a fully weighted front foot to step around and throw around the mark. I am trying to undo those instincts, and this is a very helpful instruction for focusing on that.

This makes alot of sense. Definitely gonna focus on this next time I'm out. Thanks bro.

You cover a topic that is not always covered by coaches and I think it needs a lot more attention because the back leg involvement is one of those things that I feel really separates an amateur backhand and a professional one.

Great video, can't wait to work on this form! Thanks

Great video. I always think about the weight transfer from back to front, but never consciously tried to load and coil around the back leg like that. Excited to try this out.

Coach T you explain the movements we are trying to do very well. Relatable information. I have improved with your instruction. I am envious of your dedication.

Love it, would love to see you break down matty o. I think he is the pro that really has that double arm whip motion you talk about. He makes his distance look so effortless

I am SO CLOSE to getting this down perfectly. I felt it twice when I coiled and timed by x-step perfectly. My only problem now is like you said in this video - power shouldn't come from your right foot for RHBH. It can definitely lead to bad ACL injury if all your weight is on your right foot only. One day you can accidentally stop in a violent motion and tear your right knee out. A lot of disc golfers I see out on the course, they don't even rotate anything. They just do the motions and throw it hard like Brodie. Once you do it right though, let me tell you - your body is gonna whip around gracefully without feeling like you're straining anything. This past weekend my brother found out about the snap and natural whip motion. Laughed at himself since he couldn't stop whipping around after he threw his disc. We all told him, that's the exact motion you need for those long consistent drives.

I’ve watched a handful of form coaches. What you say has given me the biggest increases in the shortest time. Went from 320’ with a fairway to 330’ with a mid. Thank you!

As someone who has 340' backhands and 450' forehands, I needed this. Thank you!

some if not the best disc golf informative content on youtube, thank you

Last November I injured my SI joint throwing with my arms like Broadie. I was swinging my back arm with the double move and I over rotated on my follow through. I felt it. Something happened and I have been in pain since. I got some injections a month ago and I am finally feeling normalish. I was making lots of headway in distance off the tee but it came at a cost. I am 40 now. I play disc golf with my daughter now. I want to play with her for decades to come. Everyone, please be safe and slow down. Focus on your warm up and try not to get hurt. A few more feet is not worth it if you can't play anymore.

Dude this is fantastic. As soon as I started watching, I did a few rotations in my living room of what I would normally do and then trying it your way, loading on that back leg the entire time to create that coil rotation and I can feel and notice a huge distance in the snap feel! I can’t wait to try this in the field!! My normal rotation I am totally using only my front leg to create that rotation and it almost makes me want to fall forward and makes since on why a lot of my drives and be shanked left. When I load my weight back and use my back leg I feel like I have more accuracy on my release point!

You hit the nail on the head with this one! Bravo! 👏👏👏

Brodie is a Beast, I’ve never watched someone improve so fast!

Baseball example was good for weight shifting to the back leg. Fast left hand movement + left knee in + left foot turn to front = slingshot = distance

This was hugely illuminating

Great analysis coach T 💯 Slingshot all the way!

Heyoo thanks for the feature and a shout out! Exactly why I filmed these shots, so much to learn from these. I have dozens of more clips like this on my channel 🫡

Great video!! Love the lesson here.

Can't wait to try this, thanks👍

I watched this video and immediately went out to the soccer field to implement it. Previous max was around 420, average 390-400. Put some extra oomph from the back leg and pumped ONE about 440 RHBH Right to Left winds bout 25mph. Average distance was 400 +/- 5 feet for my Octanes and about 410 for my Mayhems. Biggest difference is 400 was easily attainable on a low straight line. Nothing over 10ft off the ground. Good tip. Now I have to figure out how to really load and push off the back foot when I have forward momentum carrying from the X step. Still trying to hit 500

Wow... okay this is something I need to look into... thank you. Subscribed

Staying on the ball of the back foot is huge! It's been about 2 years since I actively started doing it, but now it's automatic!

Might be the most important video I’ve watched!Thanks.

This video is excellent in every possible way. Ty

Extremely helpful thank you!!!

welp, time to focus on becoming a back leg thrower over the winter. I know for a fact that my left leg does what Brodie's does. I can still throw 400ft which is enough for competing in local tournaments, but just like everyone else I want to throw farther. lol.

Awesome descriptions. Similar back press inner line foot arch points principal/secret to lots of motion sports: baseball pitch/throw and hit, football throw, martial arts strikes, throws, weapons, skiing/snowboard, basketball crossover, racket sports, bmx/mtb/motox... For bh disc power imho the great teacher is the 360 ( both walking and full run up version). Have found over the years that the 360 is the full throw that ingeniously sets up the "back" leg to be the main power interface to the ground. The 360s leg/foot "press" and pivot and also hip/core turn are faster than the x step and can reveal why the x step (especially walking) has the step over almost built in, resulting in power loss. The run up x step is also an approximation that simulates the fast back to front power transfer of the 360, by putting speed and usually some hop/ body english. Still the run up 360 is king with the back leg quite deftly striking the ground. It almost does not have time to unevenly press or get mushy or lift off too early/ step over. For standing shots, especially on uneven terrain, definitely helps to think back foot press with even fore-heel-arch. Oh yeah, the grenade also has helped to feel back foot compression and pivot. It is tougher to step over than regular horizontal throws.

Finally broke 400feet even tho it was a 360 still happy to throw straight and far...in going to try this once i get out of school just focus on my backleg balance and drift

I taught golf for 15 years. Started disc golf casually two years ago. This video is awesome man. Great breakdown. Subscribed 👍🏻

Thanks. This really resonates with me, gonna start working on it today

I played ball golf for 10 years as a kid and had 300 yards off the tee before I stopped playing after high school. Could never get that power to translate. You just gained a subscriber

Gonna give this a try. Thanks.

eye opening. Good stuff man.

At times my back leg does go behind my plant foot after the throw. I know this is poor form but didn't know why. After watching this, I went to the field and threw about 40 drivers focusing on using my back leg for power and 1: I didn't have the same error at all. 2: I got better body rotation which sometimes is lacking even when my back leg doesn't slide behind. 3: got good distance (for me) even throwing into a headwind. and finally 4: I felt like my back leg was doing some work. It feels like I did a bit of a workout in my leg and hips, which i don't normally get, even from playing multiple rounds. I'm very excited to work on this more and see how the disc flies under calm conditions. Thanks so much for breaking this down and giving us something relatively simple to work on to improve our game!

Awesome and on point - as a physiotherspist This Makes totally sense

Fantastic video!

Super curious your thought to my situation: I am a RHFH dominant player. Working on my BH. However, I ruptured my left Achilles 1.5 years ago, and am dealing with a knee issue on the same leg (think PCL problem). Should I even try this on my BH, or just stick to my current form as to not increase any issues on my knee? I wear a knee brace to play currently. Thanks!

I bounce between open and pro master. I'm kinda doing the back leg stuff allready but not qoiling rather extending. I'm very excited to see what's possible. Currently throw 5 bills. I tried a few of your drills and it's gonna take time for the muscle memory part but good stuff.

This was incredibly helpful. I'm only sad I found it at 2am and not at a time when I could immediately go field test it.

Stupendous dude...!

Wow this is so helpful. Makes so much sense why my shoulder hurts 😂

Wow. This is incredible stuff. Can’t wait to work on this. I can tell the difference immediately when I think about staying back versus what I currently do by throwing off the lead leg.

Just plain awesome

It’s been about a year now since I started your training videos. I started at around 50 feet maximum distance. I’m up to around 700 feet now and am going to win the special olympics someday

I think this video might need a second part. I think the back leg powers the left hip forward as shown, but that is only the beginning. As the back leg extends and has released it's power, the front leg engages. The thrower presses down and back through the heel driving the right hip back ....release the disc at the right time with the appropriate speed and nose angle and...

Brodie went pro fast. Which is why I fell like even though he throws bombs he gets leverage from his god build. The more and more his form improves he will be a absolute monster

The sport is so young science wise, I've got a basketball coaching background and it's still crazy to me to see how different content creator come to different conclusion...It's hard to find some basic universal truth..

great video

When you said "Hit the Baseball" It REALLY clicked for me what you were getting at... Now I just wish I hit lefty back then, or threw disc LHBH now... haha!

Hey I like it. A lot of points resonate with me. Other points are, at minimum, phrased differently, or are taught against /in a different manner altogether from other teachers. That’s the beauty of disc golf right now. I’d be curious what seabas has to say about this breakdown!

Thanks for that breakdown! I have been having knee trouble and have moved toward spinning like a skater and have made up mad distance! This explains it for me and will also smooth that out. Thanks again. Do you do video coaching?

This callout is what I needed coach. Why keep doing what I'm doing if the videos don't look like the pros?

Just earned my subscription

Yo this is a great tip. I can't get out to the field to try.

playing for 25 years and never thought about this. Im always loading the front foot Thanks for pointing it out.

Random: Can anyone tell me why once I plant and start to rotate, I always have my plant heel pop up and rotate on my toe? I have tried so hard to rotate off my heel but at the last second, my plant foot goes dumb.

Thank youuuu

This illuminated alot about a couple of recent rounds. I fractured my right side of my collarbone, and after a few weeks went for a round left handed. I could feel the snap happening way more, and it's cuz my right leg was the back leg like it would be for baseball. This is solid advice, do you have drills for training a "bum" back leg?

This one makes a lot of sense to me and here you see Drew Gibson coaching Brodie on the exact same point. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-dyhekGmjxjQ.html

great comparison

My goodness this is a very revealing video! My front foot looks like Brodie's; spun open before it lands. Don't know why I can't get past 300ft. Shows you how he is able to strong arm a shot to 500ft.. Simon looks so powerful and he is half the size of Brodie, so to me this is showing the loading back vs front. If Brodie could get this down in the off season watch out MPO's next season! I think if some of us ex baseball players could get this down we'd throw a 100ft further without much effort. The only problem with the baseball mentality is, most of us were not switch hitters so a righty batter, feels dang awkward swinging left handed. Every now and then try to throw a disc left handed and my brace feels good but my weak left arm makes a poor shot. Just have to keep doing field work I guess.

Bro. Thank you.

Just as i was wondering if the motion was any similar to hitting a baseball, he said “BOOM hit the baseball”

Excellent video and learning the correct throwing fundamentals is everything!. I tell beginners to watch videos like seen on You Tube to learn the best way to get maximum throwing distance. Making a video of yourself throwing lets you know what you are doing wrong. Disc golf boils down to utilizing common sense physics. Pushing off that left foot allows the core to load up for that right plant foot brace, all timed perfectly for the explosion release. It requires practice, practice, practice, but I am amazed on how beginners with the passion to learn correctly, get better and better very quickly. Thanks for teaching the "Sling Shot" and only method of disc throwing, for wasted power potential is such a shame. When you learn the right way, disc golf is so much more rewarding and enjoyable to play☺. Sincerely, Bill M., PDGA #7378, lifelong promoter of the sport we love from Uncasville, CT☺

Crazy how much footwork and back leg stability is crucial to throwing well. Most people spend too much time on the upper body instead of the lower body where the true power is.

I've tried to do this for years. what is the key to turning your leg inwards like this? is it simply keeping weight on the back leg as long as possible or do you have to think about turning and dropping thay knee inwards and down?

I'm a lefty with my feet, but I throw righty. I average about 360 feet rn. Would you say I have an advantage if I just feel better on my left leg as opposed to my right?

Ill tell you what front leg discgolf has done to me. Plant leg knee pain. Nothing like dumping all your weight on your front leg before trying to spin on it

What the pros really do to get distance. Practice, practice alot, practice consumes you if your not practicing all day everyday how are you going to get bomb drives. You wont Great video also I did hear Brodie was having back issues and you can see why in this slow mo

I think Brodie did use his back leg somewhat in this side-by-side with Simon. And he was on the ball of that left foot longer than he got credit for in the commentary. But I see the point made and generally agree with it. It probably wouldn't hurt for me to work on getting some more back leg power.

I like the analogy of swinging the bat. Put it into perspective a bit, however most right handed players would explode off of their right leg and plant with the left leg. Idk about anyone else but I’m not a switch hitter and definitely can’t throw with my left hand, so putting all the weight on the leg that’s used to be planted after the explosion is SUPER awkward. I love the description and will try to be a switch hitter now lol

Look at Paul's right shoe at 8:15 it looks like the sole is separating from the shoe itself.

Idk why, but the first motion he makes after saying “you gotta have something to coil against…” gave me Uncle Rico vibes 😂

this is the best video ive ever clicked on

It's not as much the lower back as it is the lead knee. I throw primarily lhbh. My left knee is not in the greatest condition. While working out as added 50on average to my drives, it's just added to the force I can generate against my knee. This is something I'm gonna have to keep in mind and retrain my form

Excited to see your next video. I am in the bathtub waiting

Coach, love this ! Please correct me if I'm wrong but this makes it seem like the swing is initiated by the push from the left foot. No one has helped me to see it this way before... thx!!

Thx

I'm pretty new, but after watching this, I was out throwing some of my more experienced friends in no time. Using the back leg for power is something that seems so obvious in hindsight.

Great video as usual. That Simon/Brodie shot looked maybe like a shorter shot. Maybe Brodie was on the front foot for more accuracy (not saying that's correct but something we all do when trying to be a little more accurate). Would be interested to see Brodie's weight transfer or lack thereof when he's ripping 550.

Thank you thank you thank you! I’m fully aware! But still not doing right ! 😢

Wow. I just had an epiphany while watching this and doing dishes. I was throwing with my rear leg completely straight. Man, I can't wait to get outside and lose that habit. Ultimate related, I'm sure.