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Why You Need Level IV Body Armor For SHTF | LVL III & IV vs M193 & M855 

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Why You Need Level IV Body Armor For SHTF | LVL III & IV vs M193 & M855
We can all agree that body armor has it's place when prepping for SHTF. However, based on the data in this video, you probably need level IV at least.
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00:00 Introduction
02:49 M193 MIRA LVL IV TEST
03:55 M855 Sandbag Hit
04:54 M855 MIRA LVL IV TEST
07:09 M193 STEEL LVL III TEST
08:13 M855 STEEL LVL III TEST
10:36 LVL IV & LVL III vs 5.56 Overview
13:14 460 S&W MIRA LVL IV TEST
16:26 460 S&W STEEL LVL III TEST
18:05 Overview Of Armor Test

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@MagicPrepper
@MagicPrepper Год назад
If you are interested in getting MIRA Safety Tactical LVL IV body armor plates, then use this link: bit.ly/3QJz7P7 Then use the code "magic10" to get 10% off of your order! Eye protection worn in this video: bit.ly/3CmNFjs Use code "PREPPER15" for 15% off of your order! Ear protection worn in this video: bit.ly/3NXwng3 Use code "MP15" for 15% off of your order!
@thepowerofasinglethought
@thepowerofasinglethought Год назад
What company did you get the steel from
@teddyr-2147
@teddyr-2147 Год назад
I would always suggest getting lvl4 plates however I think if you’re going to test a common round for SHTf you should test it using common barrel length. Lvl3 is no match for a 556 from a 20” barrel but I would consider 16” & shorter a common barrel length.
@MagicPrepper
@MagicPrepper Год назад
I was more interested in verifying that the LVL IV plate could handle the 5.56 out of a 20" barrel. Even if 16" is generally more common, there are quite a few 18" & 20" SPR types running around as well so at least we know what the failure point would be.
@arminiuschatti2287
@arminiuschatti2287 Год назад
If you’re just sporting a 16”, you’re tacticool. Nothing less than the maximum burn length for your SHTF weapon.
@DMF716
@DMF716 Год назад
Contact distance is always a factor too. I've seen LEVEL III PLATES HUNG AS GONGS AND IT STOPPED ALL KINDS OF AMMO AND BARREL LENGTHS OUT AT 100, 200 AND 300 YARDS. ANYONE WHO WANTS A FIRE FIGHT AT 50 YARDS OR LESS, IS IN AMBUSH ZONE AND THATS WHERE YOU SHOOT Fast and spray the body...armor ain't gonna help one ambushed at 10, 20, or 30 yards.... At that distance, its pray and spray behind cover! We called it bad breath range. It's what nightmares are made off!
@constantk8780
@constantk8780 Год назад
@@arminiuschatti2287 you only rock a 20? For me it's 30 or gtfo.
@constantk8780
@constantk8780 Год назад
@@MagicPrepper not as many as you'd think.
@col.cottonhill6655
@col.cottonhill6655 Год назад
I didn't believe a .223 fmj could ever make it though steel like that until my brother shot one of my steel gongs from only about 30 yards away out of a 20" barrel. It didn't go through the 1/4' steel but it almost did.
@MagicPrepper
@MagicPrepper Год назад
Pretty crazy just how much velocity matters.
@flycrew
@flycrew Год назад
Yeah, we shot some empty fire extinguishers people left out in the dessert. Impressive. I learned early on from youtube xm193 is what you have to worry about. Not green tip. Green tip is also often less accurate in 100y tests, maybe the bullet carries a little better at range since it is a touch heavier. I havent been interested enough in it to research.
@johnd4348
@johnd4348 Год назад
Run a poly plate behind the steel for extra protection. Only adds a extra pound. and acts like a trama plate.
@col.cottonhill6655
@col.cottonhill6655 Год назад
@@flycrew didn't the military go green tips because the M4 has the short 14.5" barrel and it sacrifices alot of velocity so the m855 helps at the reduced velocities vs the FMJ xm193
@justsomeguyontheinternet5331
I have III+ steel. My issue with composite and ceramic is that while it's great at stopping bullets, it isn't super resilient. If you stack a couple of 5.56 into the same hole, it is going to go through. A few years ago, Demo Ranch took over 90rds to get a penetration on III+ AR500 steel with M855. Consider in SHTF, we don't have resupply from top tier logistics and the support of the whole Defense Industrial Base. We have what we have, unlike SEALs or even infantry guys who will get a new plate if they catch one. Spall is an issue but can be mitigated by a quality carrier and spall sleeves, some of which also have integral trauma pads for the shock from the impact. Not that Level IV plates aren't boss, BUT you're paying a lot of money for something that can take fewer rounds when you're not going to be able to get more. Also, something like 80% of wounds sustained in a gun fight are to extremities.
@MagicPrepper
@MagicPrepper Год назад
All good points!
@regulardude1761
@regulardude1761 Год назад
Well said
@DMF716
@DMF716 Год назад
Your well versed....likeni said earlier in another post. Contact distance of less than 30 yards by a force is what nightmares are made of. No armor is gonna save anyone at that close range with multiple automatic fire. Your limbs are toast, just like you stated!
@flycrew
@flycrew Год назад
I agree. Good points on the steel. Still I like my lvl4. I always joke, if you're worried about getting hit that many times maybe you should f--king move and step out of sight of the belt fed. But I do think about resupply as well.
@TheTyrial86
@TheTyrial86 Год назад
Steel plates are good for storage. But ceramic is best for everyday use.
@regulardude1761
@regulardude1761 Год назад
I've seen level 3+ AR550 Steel plates, stop M193 and M855.
@MagicPrepper
@MagicPrepper Год назад
Yup they can do it.
@rwally192
@rwally192 Год назад
Those were weird results steel core should penetrate more(kind of why it sucks) . My ar500 targets stop 762x54 193 and 855 just fine. Maybe that armor wasnt actually rated for that, or too thin
@MrMunky1985
@MrMunky1985 Год назад
@@rwally192 m193 55gr has a higher velocity that m855 62gr. Thats why the green tip stopped and the ball ammo sailed right through.
@rwally192
@rwally192 Год назад
@@MrMunky1985 green tip was designed to penetrate 1/4" of steel. And the velocity difference is only what 100/200fps.that's 3-6%
@regulardude1761
@regulardude1761 Год назад
@@rwally192 M855 was NOT designed to go through 1/4" of steel. Go watch some videos about the round.
@terrarecon
@terrarecon 4 месяца назад
Thank you for testing an AR-15 using a full 20" barrel. I hate seeing armor plate reviewers using less optimal barrel lengths to test 5.56 with. If you're not going for max velocity with the 5.56 your test results are automatically skewed.
@dababycar2899
@dababycar2899 Год назад
This video was awesome please do more in this format, especially now that you have that range ✌️
@MagicPrepper
@MagicPrepper Год назад
Oh man I love having a range.
@brtseif
@brtseif Год назад
Thanks for staying down to earth and not fear mongering/massive speculation. Useful info and demonstration!
@MrGreblin
@MrGreblin Год назад
Trauma pads are a must with any armour
@MagicPrepper
@MagicPrepper Год назад
Good tip
@toddhurd6491
@toddhurd6491 Год назад
Kudos to you for showing the sand bag footage. Honesty in media is a rare thing indeed.
@MagicPrepper
@MagicPrepper Год назад
Haha well it happened so I figured I had to fess up.
@DMF716
@DMF716 Год назад
7, or 8, years ago, I watched a video from Iraqivet8888. He tested all of SPARTAN Armors armor plates. Towards the end of the video, he had the steel 10X12 SPARTAN LEVEL III plate still standing strong, so he broke out the M1 GARAND WITH 3006 AP ROUNDS AND SHOT THE plate at 40ft or 45ft whichever is NIJ TESTING DISTANCE. He shot all the rounds dead center and it was the LAST AP ROUND THAT PUNCHED THROUGH. They tested some exotic rounds against that Plate too. All were stopped but the 8th round of 3006. That was the first set of plates I purchased as well as my son. Then, many years later Mrgunsngear tested BOTACH (BATTLE STEEL ARMOR PLATES) LEVEL III @3.5# EACH. Bought a set of them next and finally BATTLE STEEL LEVEL III+ (BOTACH) @ 1# more. So.i have 3 sets of good decent plates plus side plates and 2 condor EXO plate carriers which hold FBI 2.0, full soft armor and all the KDH ARMOR Accessories that the military has on hand for their levels of warfare, plus the old combat gear (ALICE) we used before armor was out their (unless SF experimental armor in the 70's) IF you need to go real fast, no armor... If youexpect, contact then vehicle armor is necessary as well as armor. Just remember, pounds equal pain! I'm now on the lightest stuff out there with enough back up with soft armor that will absorb truma, also the special kentic shock pads in back of the armor, will stop the shock. All necessary items in a kit. Armor has come a long way, as well as many price points. Hesco, Spartan, and others are all good. All you have to do is look at IRAQVET8888, OR MRGUNSNGEAR. If they are NIJ tested all the more better. Spartan Armors level III WERE NIJ TESTED AS WELL AS LEVEL III+ STEEL PLATES WITH SPALL BLOCK. I trust them to stop 99% of all threats, but way to heavy now for this 69 year old @9# each. To each their own. I covered all my bases .
@MagicPrepper
@MagicPrepper Год назад
Thanks for sharing your experience. It's always good to get more ideas out there for people to look into.
@ChineseChicken1
@ChineseChicken1 Год назад
I also have level 3 Spartan armor and am completely satisfied with them after watching iraqivet8888's video.
@DMF716
@DMF716 Год назад
@@ChineseChicken1 Yep, those plates will never be sold, that beat out many a plate back then. I watched all the people that posted shooting the Spartan Level III plate with spall block, before I bought. I believe he had them treated to above 500 steel. I could be wrong. Thanks for supporting what I stated on Spartan Amors Level III plate.
@Dirtywhtboy87930
@Dirtywhtboy87930 Год назад
Level 3 plates are not much good. Now I got the 3+ that’s good for anything I might encounter. That’s the minimum I’d suggest, it’s good for 30-06. Also the anti-spall coating is well worth the upcharge! The coating will hold the bullet and any shrapnel in one spot, encapsulated! I watched some vids in action! Side plates are a good option too, if you can handle a little more weight. As far as the plate carrier, I can’t speak highly enough of my Agilite! It’s got quick adjustments and you can pull the two releases on one side and shed it quickly if needed! Agilite is made by IDF, Israeli Defense Force and used by Musaad!
@MagicPrepper
@MagicPrepper Год назад
Good point on the III+ All I had was level III's to compare the IV's to. And Aglite looks to be good stuff. I haven't ever had any.
@Dirtywhtboy87930
@Dirtywhtboy87930 Год назад
@@MagicPrepper very comfortable and excellent weight distribution too. Has thick padding on support straps, doesn’t cause any fatigue wearing it all day!
@constantk8780
@constantk8780 Год назад
I mean, level 3 stops all of the most likely encounters. How is that not much good? Mathematically I think its right at 99% good.
@Dirtywhtboy87930
@Dirtywhtboy87930 Год назад
@@constantk8780 how is that so? 556 or 308 not common? So many platforms for range and cqb use those calibers. If any rounds are true AP, that level 3 is toast!
@jamesodinson5573
@jamesodinson5573 Год назад
I got lvl 3+ and lvl 4
@howtodave1725
@howtodave1725 Год назад
Very well done Magic! Great examples showing the differences between the 3&4. I will never put them on again. good luck
@jacobmanalang8162
@jacobmanalang8162 Год назад
level 4 plate and the most beast mode medford pocket knife, RESPECT! i gotta go through more or you vids cuz i didnt even know you had that. great advice on buying level 3 steel and working up to level 4 when the budget allows. thats what i did ive even got iiia soft. i like a level 4 front and iiia soft rear or maybe no rear depending on what youre gonna do. the level 3 steel with a iiia soft in the rear is another combo i run or could pass to someone i recommend steel and soft because of the low maintenance of steel and rotating out your soft armor over time and wear. fun target to shoot, sell or gift later
@TheJoyofCatholicTradition
@TheJoyofCatholicTradition Год назад
AR500 steel 3+ is worth having due to its longevity in SHTF. Best thing would be have a level 4 primary with a small stack of steel plates for backup
@MagicPrepper
@MagicPrepper Год назад
Not a bad approach!
@daytonrhoten1135
@daytonrhoten1135 Год назад
So the first time you get smoked in the plates you die from infection from the spall in your face?
@timunderbakke8756
@timunderbakke8756 Год назад
This is what I believe as well. The steel has longevity benefits but it has limitations to what it protects against, never mind the “congratulations, you didn’t get shot but you die when spall cuts your carotid instead”. Seeing some spall tests online have been really eye opening to me. But, some armor is better than none. And if your ceramics are toast having something is a good backup. My steel plates are in a Kevlar sleeve to try and mitigate the spall scare damage (beyond whatever coating the plates got at the factory). I’m saving for level 4 ceramics.
@Swishersweetcigarilo
@Swishersweetcigarilo Год назад
This feels like an infomercial for Mira armor but if it was on TV at 3 am I'd watch it.
@MagicPrepper
@MagicPrepper Год назад
To be fair, they made it possible for me to be comfortable wasting high end armor haha
@theblindsniper9130
@theblindsniper9130 Год назад
Actually exactly this topic is what i was wondering. You make excellent points in this video.
@MichaelR58
@MichaelR58 Год назад
Great demonstration , thanks for sharing , God bless !
@killroy7114
@killroy7114 Год назад
Thanks, Magic.
@michaeldunwoody3629
@michaeldunwoody3629 Год назад
Good video! TY!
@gm743633
@gm743633 Год назад
my AR500 plates are rated Level 3 at 100 yards. 55 grain slows down faster than 62 grain. your tests were about 10 yards. At 100 yards plus 55 grain barely takes the paint off while 62 grain green tip leaves a small divot. Your tests approximate more closely point blank range, like room/building clearing. Everything is faster at point blank.
@SigmundPimpulopis
@SigmundPimpulopis Год назад
Thank you
@killroy7114
@killroy7114 Год назад
Great channel!
@emanuelhern6329
@emanuelhern6329 Год назад
Magic Prepper- Thank you, for another insightful and informative video!! Much respect to you.
@MagicPrepper
@MagicPrepper Год назад
Anytime Emanuel!
@The5As7
@The5As7 Год назад
Not going to lie. I've invested in the plate carrier etc. but haven't got my armor yet. I will be getting level 4 when I get some though. Thanks for your work MP, fellow MidWesterner.
@MagicPrepper
@MagicPrepper Год назад
No worries. You have to take your time and work your way up! Good call on getting the carrier first as worst comes to worst, you at least have a fancy chest rig.
@The5As7
@The5As7 Год назад
@@MagicPrepper That's my thoughts on it. The guy from Military Arms Channel doesn't even believe in armor so I figure I'm at least on par with him... I agree with taking steps though. Right now I'm trying to find chimney sections for the wood stove I already bought. At least I have the stove...
@The5As7
@The5As7 Год назад
@@MagicPrepper Nice revolver btw.
@The_SmorgMan
@The_SmorgMan Год назад
How’d it go? Just remember to not overload yourself with weight. Lvl 4’s suck to wear for any extended time.
@MrLandphill
@MrLandphill Год назад
Another great video, thanks for the time you put into bringing great content to your viewers.
@MagicPrepper
@MagicPrepper Год назад
Hey no problem as I had a great time making this one.
@MrLandphill
@MrLandphill Год назад
@@MagicPrepper looked like it
@mma709
@mma709 Год назад
This was eye opening for me. I work as a security officer in Tucson Arizona and all I have is level 3 steel plates. I need to save up money and get level 4
@killacamfoo
@killacamfoo Год назад
IV in the highest end makes sense, but a budget 1155 RMA doesn't really considering the weight disadvantage, thickness and odds you encounter a threat that can defeat Special Threat "3+".
@Aizazell
@Aizazell Год назад
Great review! Finally a channel with logic based common sense subject matters. That Matter! Think about that... I don't care what a frozen pistol or rifle will do or won't do, shame on those channels you know who you are. Keep up the great work Magic 👍
@ebony5766
@ebony5766 Год назад
Very cool video!
@texascelt8363
@texascelt8363 Год назад
Got steel plate level 3+ for me and level 3 for my wife 🤷‍♂️
@MagicPrepper
@MagicPrepper Год назад
Has your wife tried it? According to my wife, plates are extremely uncomfortable for her to wear due to the nature of being a woman. She has soft inserts for her carrier as plates just don't work if you can't wear them.
@texascelt8363
@texascelt8363 Год назад
@@MagicPrepper yup she has had it on but I don't think she would wear it even if shtf she's a wimp lol she can just stay behind cover and keep mags loaded for me and switch rifles when one gets to hot lol. All jokes aside I really don't think she would last long in a battle type situation. She couldn't even handle wearing my military kevlar vest.
@MagicPrepper
@MagicPrepper Год назад
@@texascelt8363 those things are definitely heavy and uncomfortable. I get it!
@russream3732
@russream3732 Год назад
Great video !
@jonlewis758
@jonlewis758 Год назад
Excellent info especially the m193 crazy. This is why I want level 4 armored plates
@sassafrasred6657
@sassafrasred6657 Год назад
Thanks
@almostontimehero5415
@almostontimehero5415 Год назад
I got LA Police gear LVL4 plates for $105 each. Not as nice as these and they weigh 6.2lbs each, but I have been watching and researching them for over a year and they still hold up well in tests done by buyers and owners.
@charlesgiles4447
@charlesgiles4447 Год назад
Ceramic it lighter but it isn’t good for multiple impacts in same area. I use III+ with coating Ceramic is nice if you have several plates to change out just in case The added weight for Steele plates doesn’t bother me with a high quality carrier it is super comfortable
@williamneal7210
@williamneal7210 Год назад
My Level IV took 5, .308 hits before it was little more than ceramic splinters (imagine glass shards) jangling around inside the carrier (empty mag pouches). My AR500 Lvl III+ stopped 16 rnds of .308 before the anti-spall coating separated. No spalling at all until the coating broke down (I had the plate set up in a box). I actually do think the III+ is rated up to 30.06 and 5.56AP (I know it will stop the 5.56AP). I use a Remington 700 BBL and an Interarms Mauser Mark X Classic in 30.06 (the Mauser does not have a Bull Barrel) for hunting in the US, I probably should pick up another III+ plate and make sure it holds up against 150gr spire points...I'm confident it will do fine and last longer than ceramic. Note I think Black Tip 30.06AP would probably defeat the III+ however. At this point, I'm still choosing the Lvl III+ coated steel over the Lvl 4 ceramic -- 30.06AP would penetrate it and probably the Lvl IV after a few shots as well, but I think .50BMG or 12.7 x 108 Russian is probably more common in combat then the 30.06AP, and if I get hit by one of those bad boys it's over regardless of any armor I'm wearing (sands a M1A1)
@hobbz4921
@hobbz4921 Год назад
ballistic coefficients always blow my mind. GREAT VIDEO MAGIC - I could watch you shoot stuff all day while I'm supposed to be working lol.
@MagicPrepper
@MagicPrepper Год назад
Haha well who wants to work really? And yes, BC's can break your mind.
@davidny4638
@davidny4638 Год назад
Great video, Great information, thank you for your work. MIRA ceramic for 250 definitely worth it
@MagicPrepper
@MagicPrepper Год назад
It seems to be a pretty dang good price point considering.
@ChevyCeeLo
@ChevyCeeLo Год назад
It's funny I seen this video because my first plates are Downrange Industries AR600 level III+ and Mira Safety level IV I honestly think you need both. AR600 would stop whatever but there is a very slight noticeable difference between the weight but either way I like them both. I also have 6×8 plates in Steel and Ceramic they both feel great. FYI they make spawling gaurds for 10×12 and 6×8 plates etc. I took it a step further and got UARM soft body armor neck, shoulder, stomach, inner + outer thigh, war belt and shoulder strap soft armor just incase spawling was a issue. I think all 3 companies are great 👍
@John_Connor556
@John_Connor556 Год назад
I had to go level 3++ multicurve, best bang for the buck 💯
@Dacarolinakrown
@Dacarolinakrown Год назад
That 460 Smith and Wesson might have been stopped but it would definitely stop your heart from blunt force trauma
@MagicPrepper
@MagicPrepper Год назад
Haha for real!
@chris2Agearreviews
@chris2Agearreviews Год назад
Excellent video.....I keep telling people M193 from a 20 inch Barrell is the best ammo to stockpile for shtf.....the velocity "almost" guarantees it will yaw and fragment and also give you the ability to defeat body armor as you proved in this video.....I was thinking about level 3+ BUT I think the wise investment is level 4.....Now I will admit I didn't like how those 2 rounds caused that much damage to the ceramic plate and makes me wonder how "multi hit capable" level 4 ceramic may be......
@MagicPrepper
@MagicPrepper Год назад
Well my hope is to stop any round from penetrating first. Then worry about multiple hits after. Which that first hit hopefully gives me a wake up call to get to cover haha.
@eddiejennejr4342
@eddiejennejr4342 Год назад
Good luck 👍
@timunderbakke8756
@timunderbakke8756 Год назад
I need 4s and don’t have them yet (have budget metal ones in a spall catching pouch to mitigate that risk). I recognize they’re no good against ARs at 20” barrel but it was what I could afford at the time. Saving for 4s currently. I am in a state dominated by hunters, so I would be worried about more than 5.56 and 7.62x39. Pretty sure I’ll be looking at 12 gauge slugs and .30-06 and various other large hunting rifles.
@kevinramsey3490
@kevinramsey3490 Год назад
Great video
@Legendary_Cheese_Wizard
@Legendary_Cheese_Wizard Год назад
They’re pretty expensive but if you have the money look into safelifedefenses FRAS plates. They’re really awesome. I also came across this company called Hoplite which makes femoral plates for your legs as well. Those are pretty good too
@ShortLivedSaint
@ShortLivedSaint Год назад
Caliber body armor has great deals on 3+ take the un coated and wrap with kevlar cloth to stop spalling very inexpensive way to go
@johnniecameron8829
@johnniecameron8829 Год назад
Nice plate and the 20 inch barrel is no joke i would like to get a 18 in myself ..
@AtLeastDaddyD
@AtLeastDaddyD Год назад
Reminder that a plate will stop a bullet, but not stop the transfer of energy
@MagicPrepper
@MagicPrepper Год назад
Good point!
@tacticalbt1023
@tacticalbt1023 Год назад
Level 3 plus is sweet spot for me
@GunrunnersArsenalOfficial
@GunrunnersArsenalOfficial Год назад
Lvl III+ steel are likely superior to lvl VI ceramic in terms of total value. They store longer, can take more hits, and are cheaper. However, I’m looking at moving away from plates all together in favor of a thick shield to save on weight and have more freedom of movement. Quality steel targets are impervious even to 50bmg. The preferred tactic for gun fights, something I did in Iraq, is to hide most of your body behind something, not to count on your body armor to stop incoming fire. If I can hide everything but my legs behind a portable barrier I’m gonna choose that over plates
@recon1986
@recon1986 8 месяцев назад
Goodluck hauling that around everywhere you go at all times...
@SnerMerNer
@SnerMerNer Год назад
Lol your most Paul Harrell video yet. You even have a similar vocal cadence in the beginning. Good stuff.
@MagicPrepper
@MagicPrepper Год назад
I can't only hope to hold a torch to that flame.
@jasonnichols7813
@jasonnichols7813 Год назад
Very cool 😎.....well I guess they lie when they say that the steel plate will stop 5.56×45 and 7.62×39!!! But clearly you punched right threw it with the green tip!
@patrick014
@patrick014 Год назад
there is a keyboard commando weeping tonight at the destruction of those armor plates. and just to help them out. Well ya know MP if you use this brand of ammo it uses Geospatial Navigation to align concentrically with the armor to provide better foot pounds of energy in a smaller area. good video thanks MP
@Paladinbr
@Paladinbr Год назад
So that's 3 and 4. Put some rounds on 3A and 3+. There is a difference
@terrarecon
@terrarecon 4 месяца назад
He knows that
@Paladinbr
@Paladinbr 4 месяца назад
​@@terrareconmy point was for people to *see* that difference, oh master of pithy comments on year old videos.
@adamnickel
@adamnickel Год назад
I have two sets of HESCO L210, I’m satisfied with what they can stop for the weight and price. That all said, I wear soft armor level 3A at work all day while serving felony warrants. Therefore, L210’s are way more than what 3A offers….
@MagicPrepper
@MagicPrepper Год назад
Thanks for the input! I don't have any experience with the HESCO stuff but I have only heard good things.
@adamnickel
@adamnickel Год назад
@@MagicPrepper thanks for commenting back!
@adamnickel
@adamnickel Год назад
@@MagicPrepper also, I don’t know if RU-vid will allow it but check out this training video I made, let me know what you think. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-xNJfiadyKak.html
@es4ytrdtfh623
@es4ytrdtfh623 Год назад
M855 IS armor piercing whereas M193 is not, however M855 was designed before modern ar500 and ceramic plates were the standard, and so M855 is actually designed to defeat more soft armor like the older flak styles, not modern steel and ceramics.
@rogueraven7603
@rogueraven7603 Год назад
M193 does pretty good for a round that doesn’t penetrate
@mfults6915
@mfults6915 Год назад
Ar500lll+ steel can take multiple hits compared to ceramic. The plates that I'm talking about have been tested with 308 556 3006 and several other's and passed
@MagicPrepper
@MagicPrepper Год назад
Yes the III+ seems pretty good. Still heavier but there are some decent options that are lighter weight thanks to innovative cuts.
@hawaiiangunner
@hawaiiangunner Год назад
I have a 300rum loaded with black tip .30cal. Always wanted to hit a lv4 plate with it.
@pewpew9193
@pewpew9193 Год назад
3A plates get clapped by everything besides standard handgun ammo. My 5.7x28 ammo goes through it like cardboard & I've even seen some light for caliber 9mm punch through them. Steel armor still has a place, despite a lot of people not even considering it. Especially if you put a good build up coat to catch spall. They cost a lot less & they don't expire like other armor materials. They're also significantly thinner. If you buy a new composite set of plates for like $750, they will need to be replaced in ~5 years. Steel plates will still be good to go in 25 years, plus they're much better for multi-hit & when they do stop a round, you don't get as hurt from the impact.
@doomforecaster
@doomforecaster Год назад
Regular 3a yes 3a plus no.
@MagicPrepper
@MagicPrepper Год назад
All good points thanks for pointing that out.
@russellweber3466
@russellweber3466 Год назад
It would be interesting to see what a 170 grain bullet from a .30-.30 would do against body armor. It is a common round for hunting and people still have them.
@benjaminreiboldt5462
@benjaminreiboldt5462 Год назад
I think I watched grand thumb with guard dog body armors I think but it’s a lvl4 ceramic plate that took 5 AP 30-06 rounds without a single penetration
@danielmacdonald8358
@danielmacdonald8358 Год назад
M193 is my go-to... The way it's prone to such great fragmentation when it hits a soft target... Whereas the green tip sometimes just cut right through a soft target
@MagicPrepper
@MagicPrepper Год назад
That 20" barrel turned it into a rail gun haha
@danielmacdonald8358
@danielmacdonald8358 Год назад
@@MagicPrepper oh ya .... I've noticed that the IMI 55 grain is hot. I went through half inch steel at 100 yards out of a 16 in gun it was structural steel that we use at work not ar500 but still to think 55 grain will go through half inch steel it's an eye opener 😳
@MagicPrepper
@MagicPrepper Год назад
@@danielmacdonald8358 holy cow!
@danielmacdonald8358
@danielmacdonald8358 Год назад
@@MagicPrepper I know I thought the same thing lol ... I'm not very technical savvy but if I can post a picture to this comment section when I get home from work I'll take a picture of the steel
@oldschooljeremy8124
@oldschooljeremy8124 Год назад
I'll just wear a couple of sandbags. 😁
@gnarly3000
@gnarly3000 Год назад
Great video. Hope I never run into someone shooting at me at 10 yards and a 20" barrel. If that ever happens I made some serious wrong steps somewhere along the way, or it's an ambush or betrayal.
@MagicPrepper
@MagicPrepper Год назад
Things happen I guess?
@gnarly3000
@gnarly3000 Год назад
@@MagicPrepper Hopefully those sort of things don't happen to either of us or any of your subscribers.
@MagicPrepper
@MagicPrepper Год назад
@@gnarly3000 💯 I agree
@theforgottenone5172
@theforgottenone5172 Год назад
Btw Magic Prepper… I appreciate your time in this video, it was very intuitive. 👊🏼🇺🇸
@MagicPrepper
@MagicPrepper Год назад
No worries I wanted to try this stuff out. One of the main reasons I got the 20"
@theforgottenone5172
@theforgottenone5172 Год назад
@@MagicPrepper much love and respect for you my friend. Keep doing your work !!!
@MagicPrepper
@MagicPrepper Год назад
@@theforgottenone5172 Trying my best!
@theforgottenone5172
@theforgottenone5172 Год назад
@@MagicPrepper you are doing well my brother. American spirit lives in us whom refuse to let her die. You are one who is believed in. Not to be mistaken for the One Creator!!!
@user-oy9zy4ds9m
@user-oy9zy4ds9m Год назад
You forgot most manufacturers sell 3+ steel which usually stops m193 from a 20”.
@MagicPrepper
@MagicPrepper Год назад
I didn't forget, just didn't have III+ at my disposal.
@user-oy9zy4ds9m
@user-oy9zy4ds9m Год назад
@@MagicPrepper level 4 might still be a better choice anyway if you live in an area with a lot of hunters, who have magnum caliber hunting rifles such as 300 win mag, 338 , etc. these can sometimes pierce 3+ steel.
@FreedomKat
@FreedomKat 3 месяца назад
thank you!
@active4delta
@active4delta Год назад
Flexing with that Medford… sweet knife and awesome content, brother
@MagicPrepper
@MagicPrepper Год назад
Haha well it's my EDC now so it just happened to be there ;)
@active4delta
@active4delta Год назад
@@MagicPrepper right on. I’ve always wanted a Medford. I’ve got about 20 knives in my rotation; mostly spyderco, benchmade, microtech… my most carried knife is the MT UTX-70!! It is so small, and weighs next to nothing, that I almost always throw it in a pocket even if I’m carrying another knife. I have it in M390, and use it for all the tasks that make me cringe as a knife owner… it’s even my choice when wearing a suit!! Great little blade. One day, I will own a Medford!!
@yetisuncle666
@yetisuncle666 Год назад
m855 rarely passes thru level 3 steel. its almost always stopped. but m193 always will pass thru. the m93 is a faster round. and the steel cor of 855 welds itself to the steel of the plate.
@percisionshot4331
@percisionshot4331 Год назад
I’m had all steel plates but have switched to ceramic just need side plates to be completely covered
@SoFloPepe
@SoFloPepe Год назад
Wish could afford , obviously important but with all other preps , food, etc... plus bills its on the list but aint cheap for Level IV
@MagicPrepper
@MagicPrepper Год назад
It's good that you are prioritizing properly. Keep it up!
@SoFloPepe
@SoFloPepe Год назад
@@MagicPrepper thanks brother
@CookbookAdventures
@CookbookAdventures Год назад
Wow, that 460 s&w round. Holy cow. I bet if that did hit you in the chest with that plate on, it would feel like being hit in the chest with a sledge hammer. That is wild round. It did stop it though.
@MagicPrepper
@MagicPrepper Год назад
Haha that was just for fun and man was it nuts! I have a feeling if you were on the other side of that plate, you would be feeling that for years after. If not just perish.
@CookbookAdventures
@CookbookAdventures Год назад
@@MagicPrepper Yup when that plate flew off the table I was like holy shit. He's dead Jim. Lot of energy in that round. I need to go down a 460 s&w rabbit hole and do some research. Love your videos thanks for everything. You would be a fun range buddy for sure.
@Net_Observer
@Net_Observer Год назад
This was a good vid
@richardfriend5438
@richardfriend5438 Год назад
20inch barrels turning training ammo into premium ammo lol
@MagicPrepper
@MagicPrepper Год назад
Haha all day long
@richardfriend5438
@richardfriend5438 Год назад
@@MagicPrepper Hesco L210 plates from T-Rex Arms stop intermediate cartridges, not 308 and 30-06, but are also very affordable. Something to look into for a video perhaps?
@Bryan-uw1ny
@Bryan-uw1ny Год назад
You don't need any body armor, but it sure is nice to have. Stay light and stay lethal. Body armor is only really practical for a private citizen if they in a vehicle, defending or assaulting a fixed position. Look at chest rigs and battle belts, for lighter, more everyday use. Even an old, Vietnam era Alice belt can rock in the modern world.
@codyway7424
@codyway7424 Год назад
In the event of being overrun by blue hats, guys around here are stocking up 22 nosler, 22-250, and 243. You should test those rounds
@ThesupremeEDGElord
@ThesupremeEDGElord Год назад
You should try hunting cartridges a lot of times those loads have super high velocity see what they do to armor
@dustinpribble1546
@dustinpribble1546 Год назад
B interesting to see this test with 45-70
@MagicPrepper
@MagicPrepper Год назад
I wouldn't be mad haha
@RL-RL
@RL-RL Год назад
A level 3+ steel plate will stop 30.06, and with anti spalling coating your good to go. The problem with soft armor is the back face deformaion is what realy takes you down and can't take multiple hits like a steel level 3+ can, plus the cusion behind the steel plates helps for any deformation. You just showed that the 460 360 grain did more backface damage than the steel did, and that will take you out crushing and breaking ribs, sternum damage and organ failure. Not even a close or fair test at all. More like an ad for MIRA and soft body armor. Try this again at further distance and the results will be much different.
@MagicPrepper
@MagicPrepper Год назад
I mean it was fair. Same distance, same rifle, same ammo. One failed, one didn't. And to be fair, the one that failed was not rated to stop the round that penetrated it so it actually over performed. You change any factors you want to get the results you want of course but this is just the test I decided to try out.
@RL-RL
@RL-RL Год назад
@@MagicPrepper The deformation on soft armor that bulges that far back into the chest cavity is a fail in my book anytime. Same as going through...you're dead or way out of the fight.
@MagicPrepper
@MagicPrepper Год назад
@@RL-RL Makes sense. I think the deformation from the 5.56 was reasonable on the MIRA plate. But the 460 was definitely a KO.
@RL-RL
@RL-RL Год назад
@@MagicPrepper The steel plate was also from a no name company. AR500 and RTS plates would have eld up to the 5.56 easily. Kinda like comparing a KIA to a Corvette as far as steel goes. Level III but not III+?
@xk1119
@xk1119 Год назад
Hey Magic that was very entertaining! Is that the new range on your property you guys were putting together?
@radian9097
@radian9097 Год назад
I wouldn’t test rounds right next to each on armor
@greybone777
@greybone777 Год назад
I have the whole armor of God. He is my strength, my refuge, and my salvation. Yey though I walk through the valley in the shadow of death, I will fear no evil.
@rebellucy6200
@rebellucy6200 Год назад
Great video. Nice to see a real world test. Those nicer ceramics are light and strong, but they have a expiration date. So after a big financial investment in a few years they loose effectiveness somehow.
@MagicPrepper
@MagicPrepper Год назад
Yes they generally have a 5 year shelf life. That part is definitely a downside.
@constantk8780
@constantk8780 Год назад
Also not very reusable after they take a hit.
@DMF716
@DMF716 Год назад
@@MagicPrepper gonna need a supply chain. Part of the reason why I bought 3 different sets and 2 sets of soft armor and 2 EXO PLATE CARRIERS closest to KDH military plate carrier I could find.... Almost all of KDH'S ARMOR ACXESSORIES FIT ONTO THE EXO PLATE CARRIER. Only item not fitting is the throat armor. Fyi
@kftc1980
@kftc1980 Год назад
Sounds like a test is in order. I understand materials degrade over time, but who among us hasn’t eaten ancient Chef Boyardee and lived to tell the tale? Sometimes expiration dates are just please buy again dates.
@libertyoffroad1
@libertyoffroad1 Год назад
this was an awesome, fun video! I bought affordable Level 3 plates a while back and often wonder if I should have saved my money for Level 4 plates. So many factors come into play, though, as others have mentioned. I run mine with some Kevlar in front and a trauma pad behind, not sure that helps much, but it eases my mind a little bit haha!
@chris-wr4jl
@chris-wr4jl Год назад
I'd really like some 11x14 steel that stops 556. Any recommendations. Don't think they make ceramic that size.
@teddystoner8288
@teddystoner8288 Год назад
Have both and many sets. You have to sleep sometime. Everything on farm will need protection 24/7.
@azzystyle94
@azzystyle94 Год назад
Right now I'm rocking level 3 steel. Heavier, yes, but is does hold up to multiple hits and costs less. I'm on a budget, so I can only do so much 😔
@xion1021
@xion1021 Год назад
If I am shooting 450Bushmaster in my home and you have Level 4 I am not going to pop through it but it will still most likely turn you off forever. But anyone that wants to hurt you they are not aiming at center mass they are aiming below near the Groin and when you drop then they delete you. Get get what you can afford because if people want to harm you then your body armor doesn't matter they will find a way. Also once its broke or shot up it can be useless. for followup shots
@michaeldunwoody3629
@michaeldunwoody3629 Год назад
Have you tested the FRAS? That would be a great video, too.
@jasonking9727
@jasonking9727 10 месяцев назад
Should try m855a1 unicorn ammo
@jasonking9727
@jasonking9727 10 месяцев назад
With extra rainbow 🌈
@SURVIVOR-og6dl
@SURVIVOR-og6dl Год назад
Definitely found some "knockdown power" there.
@eddiearchuleta615
@eddiearchuleta615 Год назад
M855 won’t punch level 3 steel but it will level 3 poly ethylene
@NoMoreBLUEISIS
@NoMoreBLUEISIS Год назад
Great video ✌️ Stay frosty freedom fighters.
@bradcement3068
@bradcement3068 Год назад
Those distances are not common and the barrel length is also not common. Try 50 yards with a 16 in barrel. Level 3 steel very resilient.
@longinus58
@longinus58 Год назад
I get some of the point of this video. But I feel like its definitely missing some aspects. That could lead to some misconceptions including false confidence in their armor packages. 20" M193 versus some of a shorter length barrels with it. But SHTF... I guess itll be iykyk and that will weed out some of the weaker elements.
@chrischapman1613
@chrischapman1613 Год назад
Ooooh science!!
@_Gart_
@_Gart_ Год назад
I need to see this out of barrel lengths 16" and below
@rodneygillespie9212
@rodneygillespie9212 Год назад
In Australia any kind of body armor is illegal.
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