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Why You (Probably) Didn't Get Lost in Metroid Dread 

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Metroid Dread is a Metroidvania with a sprawling, interconnected map. So how come I always knew where to go, and almost never got lost?
=== Before you watch ===
Spoiler warning: Some late-game items and bosses are shown. No story spoilers are revealed.
=== Games Shown ===
Metroid Dread (2021)
Metroid Fusion (2002)
Super Metroid (1994)
The Mummy: Demastered (2017)
Metroid Prime (2002)
Hollow Knight (2017)
Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze (2014)
Guacamelee 2 (2018)
Metroid: Other M (2010)
Metroid Prime 2: Echoes (2004)
Metroid: Zero Mission (2004)
Dark Souls (2011)
=== Chapters ===
00:00 - Intro
01:41 - Points of no return
04:44 - Locks and keys
07:40 - Fast travel system
10:12 - Bread crumbing
12:03 - Is this a good thing?
16:18 - My thoughts
=== Credits ===
Music from Metroid Dread OST
=== Subtitles ===
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Комментарии : 5 тыс.   
@AlexBrowne1993
@AlexBrowne1993 2 года назад
"Enemies on the other side of a wall can encourage you to blast through hidden blocks." David Jaffe in shambles rn
@duane6386
@duane6386 2 года назад
This didn’t work for me either. Only two of those blocks are breakable, so after shooting the wall and seeing that it didn’t break, I gave up
@thesonicfanboi
@thesonicfanboi 2 года назад
@@duane6386 ouch
@CreepyConnor
@CreepyConnor 2 года назад
repost to make god of war devs angry
@NordeyStudios
@NordeyStudios 2 года назад
David Jaffe is a loser but even a broken clock is right twice a day. There are many, many instances with enemies on screen, but unaccessible and without destructible block between them. Even if it was intuitive, it's inconsistent and that's a problem.
@Darkkfated
@Darkkfated 2 года назад
@@duane6386 actually there's 4 or 5 breakable blocks in a row there.
@DarylTalksGames
@DarylTalksGames 2 года назад
I knew you'd notice how convenient the teleport stations are haha. It's almost like Dread doesn't want you to *get* lost, more so that they want you to *feel* lost by regularly shuffling you around the map. Throw that in with the EMMI areas, which are difficult to navigate for obvious reasons, and Dread sort of simultaneously disorients you yet keeps you making progress. Is it linear? Maybe, but it disguises it extremely well and I think it makes for a tremendous experience.
@OtakuUnitedStudio
@OtakuUnitedStudio 2 года назад
If it weren't for the Points of No Return peppered into areas a good way before getting the item you need to circumvent them so often, or another item that lets you loop back around the long way, the game would be much less linear but also a fair bit more confusing.
@MrGuy__
@MrGuy__ 2 года назад
plus, speedrunners are breaking it apart anyway, so really it's best of both worlds
@KevinDrongowskiSmart
@KevinDrongowskiSmart 2 года назад
You nailed it with this analysis. I have nothing to add.
@firelordzuko1128
@firelordzuko1128 2 года назад
My thoughts exactly.
@quatreraberbawinner2628
@quatreraberbawinner2628 2 года назад
Typically in a game if I find I am going the "right" way, I'll purposely go in a different direction for fear of missing a secret or something, Metroid dread broke me of this, eventually I surrendered too the game and said fine I won't try and explore Also spoilers? haven't quite finished the game yet
@ryanheemann3819
@ryanheemann3819 2 года назад
I actually found my old Metroid habits worked against me with Dread. I think the “point of no return” implantation was good and helped me from being overwhelmed, but at times in the middle of the game I would unnecessarily backtrack and go back to explore somewhere random, when the path forward was really nearby through a tele-porter.
@cupriferouscatalyst3708
@cupriferouscatalyst3708 9 месяцев назад
Same, I did a lot of unnecessary looping around lmao. Usually they'd still reward you with like one extra missile pack along the way, or the opportunity to get slightly further along a future path before coming to a second lock.
@cupriferouscatalyst3708
@cupriferouscatalyst3708 9 месяцев назад
As a level designer (and a HUGE Metroid fan), I LOVED what they did with the points of no return. The way I played the game, I placed map markers on all the spots I wanted to return to later, and then I carefully studied the entire map each time I got a new power. What I realized is that the points of no return will limit access to previous areas, but not always in the same way! Sometimes I would come to the conclusion that I was completely unable to backtrack at that point, but other times I realized that I actually COULD go back to a certain area, but I'd have to loop around through ANOTHER area because of how a fidget spinner or a grapple block had closed one path but opened another. That is the reason I never gave up on backtracking and getting all the items, because even though I knew that passages were always closing behind me, I never knew exactly which passages, how many, and if they'd still let me access parts of that area if I took the long way around. Special mention definitely goes to Ghavoran, because I'd spend so much time scrolling through the map there, thinking "Wait, I can't get over there. Wait no, I can! Oh, nevermind, I can't. Hmm... Actually, I can, but unless I can fit a Screw Attack through a one-block opening, I'll have to teleport all the way down to Burenia and climb back up!" and I did, and it was fun, because to me, successfully planning a route while ogling the map is just as satisfying as actually playing the game. That said though, I did find that the pacing jumped ahead a bit at the end, when you find yourself already standing at the final boss' doorstep before realizing that the entire world had opened up completely about an hour back. Presumably, that's where most of the cut content would've taken place, creating a bit more of a build-up and also filling out the suspiciously empty spot in the top right of the map. And since this comment is already a wall of text, I might as well add that I really enjoy how the world is portrayed in the backgrounds of this game. If you peer into the back of the scenery, there's always some detail that connects the room to the rest of the zone, whether it's a tube that dissappears off into a vent, hinting at a secret area, the support pillars and guard station entrances that connect the Dairon labs to the surrounding cave system, or the fact that you can see the curvature of the Elun dome while descending the catwalks in western Ferenia. It feels similar to how the Souls games often let you spot upcoming locations waaaaay ahead of time, but only if you know exactly where to look and what to look for.
@DesignDoc
@DesignDoc 2 года назад
I got lost at a couple points due to overlooking something. Didn't happen for long but it happens.
@PedroMatos482
@PedroMatos482 2 года назад
Yep, this game had the perfect balance between getting lost and finding things, where the "lost" part was actually enjoyable because it didn't last that long.
@firebirdstark
@firebirdstark 2 года назад
Happened to me once because I forgot about the diffusion charge in the charge beam 🤷🏼‍♂️ but yep, didn’t last long. Very satisfying when you figure it out
@WyattWentWacko
@WyattWentWacko 2 года назад
Me too. Like after the first elevator you have to break the wall to the left. I didn’t see the crack, so didn’t know I could break it.
@gilgamesh310
@gilgamesh310 2 года назад
I got 3 or 4 times, but when I did get lost, I got lost for a really long time. Finding the where to go after getting the space jump kept me lost for the longest time.
@KazefuYousomo
@KazefuYousomo 2 года назад
I got lost once and scoured the whole map looking for areas to go, and it ended up being that lava area with the blocks hanging down from the ceiling, as I didn't want to go through the lava or shoot the blocks (both of which would have worked fine haha). I did enjoy that part as traversal feels great in Dread, and the map wasn't so huge at that point.
@Croton
@Croton 2 года назад
This game was far easier to navigate than even Samus Returns, but swaps navigational difficulty for its tough combat and Emmi challenges
@ToxikDnB544
@ToxikDnB544 2 года назад
Try fusion, which imo is harder combat than dread but even more linear!
@grimruben
@grimruben 2 года назад
@@ToxikDnB544 I thought dread was harder. I even beat fusion when I was 4. Fusion is still my favorite though.
@bee-sk3il
@bee-sk3il 2 года назад
hey croton!!
@ToxikDnB544
@ToxikDnB544 2 года назад
@@grimruben really? To be fair I was also about that age when I beat it but I remember it taking me the best part of a year whereas I beat dread on the day it came out… albeit with the entire day dedicated to it. Felt like I was opening a Pokémon booster box in 1 day 😂
@kotzer71
@kotzer71 2 года назад
@@ToxikDnB544 did you even consider that you might be better at metroidvainas lol
@GeekCritique
@GeekCritique 2 года назад
I actually laughed out loud when I saw this title. Seems like you're on the far opposite end of the spectrum from me, haha. I was SO lost so frequently, my first playthrough took four hours longer than yours! I think I tend to be so squarely focused on action and execution in games that I overlook what other players might see as unnecessary handholding. Clues like that never seem to enter my working memory. I backtracked so far at one point that I sequence broke my way into getting the Pulse Radar after the Flash Shift, and it felt like the designers taking pity on me! Which is a good thing; I NEEDED IT. It's my 2021 GotY for sure, easily one of my favorite Metroid games, and I've finished it four times since then. Excellent vid, it's always enlightening to see what games are like from another perspective!
@rojakishibe7113
@rojakishibe7113 2 года назад
I can vividly remember feeling very lost on my first and even second visit to the water area, the game has a very smooth progression curve when you are on its track, but if you fall off that track it can be a wholely different sort of lost. Not to a detriment though, I genuinely loved finding myself actually having to backtrack for any clues I'd missed, and barring one annoying floor I just somehow forgot to shoot, the whole experience feels good to play even when derailed.
@RikoLime
@RikoLime 2 года назад
Same. Was always lost.
@martinlowther278
@martinlowther278 2 года назад
I'm the sam got lost real fast
@RedDeadDevilTrigger
@RedDeadDevilTrigger 2 года назад
Same
@CrowTRobot
@CrowTRobot 2 года назад
Literally everyone I know got lost. I still love it though.
@Macc_
@Macc_ 2 года назад
I appreciate that you acknowledge the different types of players, and that different people enjoy the series for different reasons; how something that one person finds annoying is exactly what another person is looking for. I'm in the "plays multiple times" camp.
@sunderland666
@sunderland666 Год назад
Normies ruined gaming. Developers now NEED to make games dumber cause normies refuse to learn how to deal with harder challenges.
@MotoGinji
@MotoGinji 2 года назад
Playing dread for me was like feeling lost at all times while still going forwards at all times. A controlled sense of lost. Very weird feeling that was. But a blast to play!
@anselgrabill6316
@anselgrabill6316 2 года назад
Completely agree. I always kept screwing around to find new locations, little did I know I was just following the story. My exploration was actually getting me through the mission the way the dev wanted
@KairuHakubi
@KairuHakubi 2 года назад
@@anselgrabill6316 There's a phenomenon I've been noticing for years, any games that give you multiple paths, one being the important way forward and the other being a dead end with a treasure, trying to guess things in the right order can range from mildly annoying to hugely frustrating (if the way forward locks you into a big cutscene and now you can't get back) this one I just couldn't win with that. it's kind of cathartic finding out i was being guided.
@sparrowfox6943
@sparrowfox6943 2 года назад
I just love how THAT room is becoming a bit of a meme in the community
@SkogensHjaerta
@SkogensHjaerta 2 года назад
what room?
@jamccarthyson
@jamccarthyson 2 года назад
At 13:14 (room where u have to blast the ceiling) I think, I was shocked and amused by it too. Like DAMN that’s gonna need a lot of aloe gel for that burn.
@patrickbaillargeon1933
@patrickbaillargeon1933 2 года назад
Gotta love the Jaffe Room. You have to wonder how many game journalists got trapped in it.
@SoapyKoopa
@SoapyKoopa 2 года назад
The game does everything it needs to do to get you to figure that room out. The only thing it doesn't do is spell it out for you completely like oh I dunno a god of war game might. God of war was great for combat but it wasn't about exploring. Exploration wasn't the gameplay so you had to have your hands held more... Well I guess that's how people feel anyways, I'd be fine if they let go a bit more. For Metroid though, why even play if you just have an arrow pointing you in the right direction? Even if they used other tricks to guide you in dread it's waaaaay more satisfying then just an arrow or a flashing block or whatever
@PacdemonStudios1
@PacdemonStudios1 2 года назад
I'm surprised people got stuck there since my first thought was to shoot the ceiling, but I guess it's unfair to assume they've played as much Metroid
@aidansilli4257
@aidansilli4257 2 года назад
I feel like I played a different game than everyone else. I found that I was lost very often. Idk if it was my bad memory or if I didn't pay enough attention, but I got stumped quite a few times. I felt like I would gain an ability, discover some of the area, then spend a long time trying to figure out where to use the new ability. At one point, I remember getting an ability and searching almost the entire map before going to a small area in burenia and finally finding the boss. Am I alone in my experience?
@HyzHoji
@HyzHoji 2 года назад
Happend to me aswell. Think the issue is, if you go for collectibles inbetween (because you got a new ability to be able to reach things you remembered). If you kind of follow the game where it tries to lead you instead of exploring, it wont be as bad.
@SirNintendo28
@SirNintendo28 2 года назад
Yeah I actually had to look up where to go cause I went off looking for collectibles part way through. Went off the golden path and forgot where to go back to 😅
@drewirons2646
@drewirons2646 2 года назад
I am somewhat embarrassed to admit this happened to me too after getting the grapple beam. That is because I ran off the beaten path to go back to find something new to use an ability on, and I forgot where the game was pointing me.
@stephen_4057
@stephen_4057 2 года назад
I was the same
@KANDEN3000
@KANDEN3000 2 года назад
I only got stuck finding the Varía Suit, instead of going just left, I explored all the map using the morph ball, I thought the suit was hidden in another area. The effects of playing Super and Prime 1 lol
@infernovulpix1539
@infernovulpix1539 2 года назад
My most negative experience with this world design is when I finally did circle back and look into optional areas, sometime after getting the gravity suit, and finding rooms clearly designed for the varia suit: hot, but with lava at the bottom that you still need to avoid. As I made quick work of them with the gravity suit, I genuinely wondered when I had the option to go here with the varia suit. There undoubtedly was a point when I could do that, but the world design just took me all the way from varia to gravity before I broke out and started wandering. I felt kinda sad for the rooms, like they were being actively sabotaged by the rest of the world. If you weren't dedicated to exploration for its own sake you'd never see the challenge they were designed to hold, you'd only see trivial roadblocks that don't mean anything to a late-game Samus.
@alwatatani6425
@alwatatani6425 2 года назад
This is so true. I know exactly what room you’re talking about lol
@dazcarrr
@dazcarrr 2 года назад
the space jump makes it feel like you're wrecking the level 8 rattata kid with your level 73 legendaries because you missed him on route 1 at the start of the game
@Kuribohcoast
@Kuribohcoast 2 года назад
@@dazcarrr Puzzle: Clearly for the grappling beam Me: Space Jump go WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
@cadencedavis7510
@cadencedavis7510 Год назад
That's definitely been a theme since the gba games: the exploration after completing everything, and it does feel like it slightly breaks emersion. It's sort of what the prime series did too (though I find it slightly better since the ruins were required).
@scotterboi9
@scotterboi9 Год назад
I disagree. Personally, I did all those rooms with the Varia suit, and even accidentally found sequence breaks just wandering around the map. Woops?
@Xanderqwerty123
@Xanderqwerty123 2 года назад
This metroid game definitely makes you want to speedrun. The sequence breaks and movement techs make you feel like a god when you do something out of critical order, even if it was intentionally left open for you to do.
@diegog1853
@diegog1853 2 года назад
I think lots of them were intentional, there are so many really easy to do sequence breaks. And I encourage everyone to give it a go and try them in a second playthrough. The game is basically begging you to replay it, I think is a big part of its design and ignoring it is somewhat missing the point, or not trying to analyse what the developers were trying to do. I believe that the first playthrough of Dread is more of a tutorial, so of course it is easy... you are learning the controls and the combat. But once you do even just a few sequence breaks, the map really opens up, several teleporters and elevators become optional, you can do things out of order and even some boss fights become optional.
@inrevenant
@inrevenant 2 года назад
@@diegog1853 hehey, you make it sound like hollow knight!
@diegog1853
@diegog1853 2 года назад
@@inrevenant I honestly don't think so. I don't personally think hollow knight is a very replayable game. Specially if you like 100% completing your games. It took me 70+ hours to complete the game with the boss rush and everything. And I did attempt to do a second playthrough... That I abandoned, the start is honestly kind of slow and your initial movement ks kind of boring... Unlike super metroid or metroid dread, where you have a ton of movement options from the start, you start hollow knight really basic. I think Hollow Knight does the metroidvania trope of exploration and getting lost better, maybe even better than super metroid. But I don't find it as replayable or as rewarding to control, specially in the early game. Loved the game though
@johanandersson8646
@johanandersson8646 2 года назад
@@diegog1853 112% (but I get what you meant)
@kirin1230
@kirin1230 2 года назад
@@diegog1853 Idk if I'm in the minority, but I adored hollow knight even more on my second playthrough! Got to 105%, excluding the pantheons, trial of the fool and NKG fight. And I'd love to play it again when I have time. To each their own.
@MarioJaker
@MarioJaker 2 года назад
The game did a great job of tricking me into thinking I was discovering my way forward with pure cleverness. But I’m also miserable at reading maps and remembering locations in video games, so Dread was the ideal Metroid experience for me.
@oxarchangelxo
@oxarchangelxo 2 года назад
I noticed this myself. Whenever I would come to a teleport, I knew I was meant to go through it at that exact moment. I literally never got lost once from beginning to end.
@robertwahlstrom
@robertwahlstrom 8 месяцев назад
You underestimate my ability to get lost.
@king999art
@king999art 2 года назад
Can I just say I really appreciate you giving such a good summary of a feature set that DIDN'T fit your own play style? The ability to acknowledge and appreciate a games mechanics seperate to your own personal experience is admirable. Good job, great video as always
@countlazuli8753
@countlazuli8753 2 года назад
Always a good sign of an open minded fellow.
@jexthegamer
@jexthegamer 2 года назад
Being a Metroid fan, I noticed the developers' tricks fairly quickly, and I thought I would hate what they were doing. I was pleasantly surprised, however, and enjoyed the wild ride they threw me on and was very impressed with how well they handled the tricks and the integration/synthesis of the map. A work of art, really, in its own right--just the design of the map itself.
@spkane86
@spkane86 2 года назад
I noticed it right away too, and it kept bugging me the whole game. I wanted to backtrack and freely explore and simply could not, more often than not. It felt hand-holdy in a way that wasn't at all welcome for me. I like to puzzle out how to progress the game and not have it spoon-fed. Still a very enjoyable game, and I hope they make more, even if it does the same things.
@CD-vb9fi
@CD-vb9fi 2 года назад
I have the exact opposite opinion. It turned me off and I stopped playing after the 4th area... I just have no desire to keep playing any longer. I liked the original Metroid more than these new carrot on a stick/guided tour hand holding gaming sessions.
@poledra4153
@poledra4153 2 года назад
I pretty quikly realized too that the next power-up was always magicly popping in front of me, but since i wanted to play the game i didn't tried too hard to get out of the way. Also, the number of locked items felt so big it was a little too sad to search them at each new power-up wich ones i unlocked so i pretty soon gave up and waited until the end of the game to 100%
@CD-vb9fi
@CD-vb9fi 2 года назад
@@poledra4153 Nice name? Any reference to the Belgariad/Malloreon/Polgara by David Eddings? The Wife of Belgarath?
@poledra4153
@poledra4153 2 года назад
@@CD-vb9fi It's an anagram of leopard, but with a "é" because i talk french
@quickfrog57
@quickfrog57 2 года назад
Noticed all of the "points of no return", or as I was calling them during my playthrough "one way doors", after the first couple of upgrades. I think the level design to make this happen is incredible, even though I would overall prefer a bit more freedom to explore as well. I feel like the limits on exploration would have been harder to swallow without the really fun combat, especially the boss and sub-boss fights, and the larger focus on the story than is typical in the Metroid series. And I was skeptical about the EMMIs going into this game, but those sections were awesome: frustrating to be caught but really captured the feeling of dread. This definitely felt like a soft-reboot of sorts, a way to make the genre easier to jump into for new players. And I hope lots of new players do try this out because I want huge sales numbers to encourage Nintendo to make more!
@KairuHakubi
@KairuHakubi 2 года назад
one interesting thing is that you end up studying the map just as hard as you would if you had full freedom.. you're tracing out the paths you could take, only instead of "hmm i could go this way.. or i could go that way.. which one should I do first.." with no real clue as to which path is going to ultimately be more beneficial in what order, if at all. Whereas in Dread you're tracing paths on the map going "well I can't go that way.. or that way.. oh but THIS way, I can go! .... but only if I'm careful not to go that way, which will lock me off." and it wouldn't have been so frustrating except for one or two parts where, only if you knew ahead of time, you could totally skip ahead of where it was funneling you. I'm reminded of several falling sequences where you had a brief window to grapple or dash into a gap, but if you missed it, too bad for now.
@VaderTheWhite
@VaderTheWhite Год назад
Recently saw a better description: points of later return
@M15949
@M15949 Год назад
I just killed that floating eye mini boss ... and i am freaking LOST
@TheEmraldz
@TheEmraldz Год назад
There's 7 of them, you're gonna need to be more specific
@chrysoarr5237
@chrysoarr5237 Год назад
After those bosses you get the ability to kill the nearby emmi and get a new ability.
@shintucky
@shintucky 2 года назад
The devs knew they'd have to thread the needle between being open for series veterans without leading players by the nose, AND avoiding making new players feel overwhelmed. I'd say they nailed it about as well as I could've hoped.
@Mystro256
@Mystro256 2 года назад
100%, I much prefer this over how fusion did it.
@SoapyKoopa
@SoapyKoopa 2 года назад
Yes this was much better then fusion or even Zero Mission which I know people love and I did too but it still had markers pointing you to places. Also if the game wants to lead me the first time a bit, then cool, as long as I can break it somehow in future runs which it absolutely does and I absolutely did.
@rollingon5566
@rollingon5566 2 года назад
The community seem to be loving it, myself included so I'm hear for it personally
@flingage
@flingage 2 года назад
Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if, at some point in the next decade, Nintendo ends up releasing an open-world style Metroid game -- like BOTW. They already did an amazing job with BOTW, halfway did it with Sword/Shield (only part of the game), and going by the trailers for the newest pokemon game, it looks like they're going full-steam-ahead, so that's two _major_ IPs that Nintendo has transitioned to open-world style gameplay.
@SoapyKoopa
@SoapyKoopa 2 года назад
@@flingage this is my hope for prime 4 if I'm being honest!
@OnTarasMind
@OnTarasMind 2 года назад
I feel that a lot of the choices they made about guiding the player through was for those who have never played a Metroidvania/Metroid game before, especially considering this is the first actually new 2D Metroid in years, and for that, I can't really fault them. Guiding inexperienced players via an invisible hand can be extremely helpful, considering they won't be the most knowledgeable on various things veterans know.
@vanreece
@vanreece 2 года назад
Excellent review/breakdown. I’m of the exploration crew and I sort of felt like I was getting dragged around the entire time. Once I decided to lean into it I felt a lot better about being taken for a guided tour.
@GameAceTaylor
@GameAceTaylor Год назад
I kept getting lost specifically in a loop between a couple of the teleports, and I can't quite recall which item I was missing for progression. I should probably play through again.
@kylebuckley3097
@kylebuckley3097 Год назад
Same
@Labyrinth1010
@Labyrinth1010 Год назад
As someone who played Metroid in the ‘80s and had played every mainline game, Dread feels more like a Metroid-inspired game than a true Metroid game. Superficially it seems like a Metroid game, but there’s a lot they didn’t get right. Namely the atmosphere, music, exploration. All of this in exchange for many boss fights and mini-boss fights. It felt like a game that was way more skills-focused. I’m questioning if we’ll ever get a proper 2D Metroid game again. I enjoyed Samus Returns, but something was lost with Dread. I’m hoping Nintendo gives someone else a crack at the series or does it in-house next. Something like Super or Zero Mission with updated graphics and gameplay.
@0ThrowawayAccount0
@0ThrowawayAccount0 Год назад
@@Labyrinth1010 "As someone who played Metroid in the '80s" ... ... Dude. You sound absolutely miserable to be around. Go back to playing Metroid on the NES. Dread is easily one of the finest installments of the Metroid series since Prime. You do not come off as superior for playing Metroid in the 80's; you come off like an ass.
@Labyrinth1010
@Labyrinth1010 Год назад
@@0ThrowawayAccount0 piss off, dude. It’s a freaking opinion. The gold standard of Metroid games is Super. How much of that game is about combat and skill? Metroid games are first and foremost about exploring, not combat. There are many that share my opinion. It’s ok to have different opinions on things. Really. It’s ok. Mercury Steam didn’t get the vibe right, the essence of a Metroid game. Retro did. Prime got it right.
@0ThrowawayAccount0
@0ThrowawayAccount0 Год назад
@@Labyrinth1010 cry some more
@Casual_PKBeats
@Casual_PKBeats 2 года назад
I was really glad to see you make a video on this. I remember never getting lost during my playthrough, so hearing about these design techniques more thoroughly makes a lot of sense. But I gotta say, while I personally don't mind either way how a Metroid game handles exploration, considering the sheer number of people I've been seeing on Twitter -- mostly a casual audience -- talk about just how lost they've been getting for hours, DESPITE this design in the game, I almost wonder if it would've ended up alienating too many casual newcomers if it was TOO spaghetti-like. It's curious to think about. Either way, in terms of an addition to the series that'll no doubt be the first exposure for a TON of folk, casual or not, I feel like they made a good decision making things far easier to traverse. Perhaps in future titles that invisible hand will guide us a little less, which'll be nice for me personally, but either way, I love the direction the series is going in
@lukamagicc
@lukamagicc 2 года назад
It definitely would have because look at how much they went out their way to address this and people STILL got lost. Unfortunately 10+ years from now there will be even more casual audience and these games won't exist. Video games are becoming as passive as watching a movie
@Mr.Taco1111
@Mr.Taco1111 2 года назад
In the future, perhaps they could make it so going almost any direction could help you progress, such as having one key open a lot of doors. This means you can get lost, but it is still possible to progress.
@micahmcgowan9552
@micahmcgowan9552 2 года назад
You make a great point about it being too spaghetti like, PKBeats, and that makes me wonder if the next mainline Metroid game might be a little more spaghetti like after more people were exposed through dread
@Axryuu
@Axryuu 2 года назад
Absolutely agree, somehow I feel that the direction it got, is the bets one out off all, they are leaving space for every kind of player, as well as displaying a Metroid game and it's story the best way posible, with a finale that leaves a world of possibilities to go to
@Axryuu
@Axryuu 2 года назад
@@lukamagicc you are right, yet I feel that Dread is an example of the games resisting that evolution of just cinematics that play for themselves, gameplay is first, and as we said, is still hard to understand for newcomers
@Brad-cb2dt
@Brad-cb2dt 2 года назад
The infamous ceiling you have to shoot earlier in the game.. the enemies in the room above are more of a backup solution. The other enemies crawl along the breakable blocks within the same room you are in. They are the primary and more natural cue to progress, as they cause you to shoot the breakable blocks by accident.
@Eidlones
@Eidlones 2 года назад
That didn't work for me at first, cause unless they were in my way, I only shot enemies if I wasn't at full health. I was at full health, and they weren't in the way, so I ignored them
@OtakuUnitedStudio
@OtakuUnitedStudio 2 года назад
@@Eidlones Maybe, but I'd say the majority of players shoot enemies most of the time because they otherwise cause problems. The spiders that crawl on that ceiling can launch acid blobs from their butts, which can bounce around and hurt you, so taking them out quickly is kind of important to avoid damage. The ones above you in the ceiling are also the annoying kind that are best dealt with by melee counter.
@drachengott95
@drachengott95 2 года назад
Ahhhhhh the famous "David" room!
@eredkaiser
@eredkaiser 2 года назад
I just found myself shooting missiles at anything remotely suspicious, but this isn't my first metroid experience.
@ThatGastrodon
@ThatGastrodon 2 года назад
I don't remember getting stuck at that room at all. I probably shot at the other enemies and accidentally hit the blocks
@matt2eadgbe
@matt2eadgbe 2 года назад
I think it is a near perfect balance of guidance and disorientation. I loved that it had a seemly faster pace without literally telling you where to go. I definitely got lost a few times but not enough to where the game became frustrating. It was an enjoyable experience throughout. Everything I want out of a Metroid game Excellent video BTW. Great topic to discuss and analyze.
@notchristbh8936
@notchristbh8936 Год назад
I literally just finished my first playthrough of Dread and I gotta say, it shot immediately up in my top 10 games ever. I've always loved the Metroid series, but in previous games I would often stop playing when I got frustrated by getting lost and not remembering where I'm supposed to go, so this "breadcrumbs" that you mention are perfect for me. Dread is such an incredible addition to the series, hopefully not the last one.
@NamelessOne91
@NamelessOne91 2 года назад
I kinda predicted you wouldn't like Dread's world design when I was playing it, I did feel like the game was gently pushing me towards the next objective, and every time I missed the path forward, there were one of those points of no return that made it easy to find the hidden blocks I missed. Personally I think for the majority of players this is good design, since most players hate getting lost and having to remember that one room you are supposed to go next between hundreds of rooms. You can still do that in this game, in my first playthrough after I got the space jump I did remember those lights in the water area and went there on my own, without finding the teleporter, and it did feel pretty good. But for those that like to get lost and have to make mental notes like yourself, I can see why this game is a little disappointing in that regard, but for me I thought it was masterfully designed, I didn't feel like the guiding was aggressive at all like you mentioned, as you have said it's still very possible to get lost.
@martfp88
@martfp88 2 года назад
Yeah I noticed it immediately the game just pushes you forward, I love the game but I did find it slightly agressive... That being said the game is genius when you completely ignore the pushing forward and you te to go and break it (granted you need at least one playthrough to enjoy and execute this)
@samy29987
@samy29987 2 года назад
Perfectly put. Nailed it to a tee.
@Houdini111
@Houdini111 2 года назад
> I did feel like the game was gently pushing me towards the next objective I didn't feel like the game was very gentle with its pushing. The points of no return stopped me from doing what I want several times.
@Yoshimitsu4prez
@Yoshimitsu4prez 2 года назад
It was perfect for me. It made me feel like I was a bit lost, but never actually was. The videos point about “cognitive load” is huge for me and I believe is why I mostly bounce off this genre. It’s one of the few metroidvania games I’ve ever really LOVED for this reason. Just as an example, I HATE hollow knight. It’s just the definition of confusing & overwhelming to me.
@tobigrantlbart
@tobigrantlbart 2 года назад
@@martfp88 Even pushing the player forward is so well engineered I think it is genius.
@Pikaman20008
@Pikaman20008 2 года назад
The fact that the game rewards you for sequence breaking with a secret cutscene makes this game a 10/10 for me. That level of foresight and intricate knowledge of the game’s design and how players will abuse it deserves massive praise
@Nirual86
@Nirual86 2 года назад
calling it a cutscene is kinda exaggerating. But the remarkable part is how they intentionally added that ability for sequence breakers with a hidden morph ball launcher in the boss room. You need the bombs to even uncover the launcher, though you might discover the block in front with the missiles and then come back later since all uncovered tiles like this are recorded on the map screen. Only to discover something that seems to serve no purpose... except as one of the few hints that Dread gives you that sequence breaking is indeed possible, and that the first real window for it is right before Kraid.
@crieverytim
@crieverytim 2 года назад
@@Nirual86 I need to find a video of this. I'm intrigued
@joshwhite5730
@joshwhite5730 2 года назад
Basically u need to do a tricky movement glitch to find the grapple beam than you use that to Finn’s bones which can open a secret bomb launcher in kraits room and using it sends you into his belly button and than you spam bombs and he dies
@akiradkcn
@akiradkcn 2 года назад
RabiRibi: how cute
@quintonconoly
@quintonconoly 2 года назад
How do you do this? I’ve yet to beat the game
@kickmonlee3390
@kickmonlee3390 2 года назад
I would love to go back and see my first playthrough since I hated how much I was being led forwards by the game that I just wanted to go explore something elsewhere... and yeah i got lost and slowly accepted that the game was just going to push me forwards til the end and then I would have a fully open map to explore with all of the abilities. By the time I beat the game I didn't want to explore it and felt like that entire experience wasn't really exploring at all.
@BMW-sd6nn
@BMW-sd6nn Год назад
The beauty of dread is this video is kinda right and wrong. Yes you can be guided but the devs knew how old school fans would take this, so they encourage just breaking the hell out of the game with all the sequence breaks. To the point of it even influencing boss design.
@yourehereforthatarentyou
@yourehereforthatarentyou Год назад
@@BMW-sd6nn there’s literally no reason for me to ever not get grapple beam & gravity suit early because not only are they directly on the normal path so you don’t have to go out of your way (unlike bombs, flash shift, speed booster, or super missiles early. those are still fun but they’re such detours i don’t usually bother) but they’re also just such insane timesavers that don’t require any glitches
@BMW-sd6nn
@BMW-sd6nn Год назад
@@yourehereforthatarentyou it's so cool dude I love it, need to replay Dread again
@musictorin
@musictorin 8 месяцев назад
@@BMW-sd6nn There's twice as much areas where sequence breaking is discouraged, like how they changed how heat damage works. It's "You're allowed to sequence break as long as we let you"
@eapeters12
@eapeters12 2 года назад
I had a blast with Dread, but I did feel let down by its guided linearity. I want to get lost and explore. After awhile I realized the game was putting me exactly where I needed to be, and took some of the magic out of what I am attracted to in metroidvanias.
@DampeS8N
@DampeS8N 2 года назад
"Why You Didn't Get Lost in Metroid Dread" Anakin Voice: You underestimate my power!
@KevinDay
@KevinDay 2 года назад
For me personally, Dread struck the perfect balance between letting me explore and guiding me forwards. I did go right when I got the morph ball *on purpose* to go check all of those morph ball tunnels I had seen throughout the game so far... And it was slightly confusing in a cool way to realize that the final area I was targeting was where I was *supposed* to end up, just from the other side.
@RemyWillard
@RemyWillard 2 года назад
When it comes to the Morph Ball leading to the Varia Suit, I don't know if I've repeated a path from Point A to Point B. Granted I've only completed that section of the game 3 times, but that's sweet map design to allow for multiple paths to get to the same location. Of course, I did restart the game after the first time I got the double jump because I didn't understand the underwater jump mechanic *despite it literally being part of the description when the double jump is first obtained* and felt like I was completely stuck in the Ghavoran water, but I figured out the double jump on my second playthrough attempt. XD
@Coestar
@Coestar Год назад
There was only one place in the game where I got stuck (for about an hour), and that was the first time I encountered the magnet-pull-down platform. I misinterpreted it when I first saw it, thinking you had to stand on top of it, and put it out of my mind. It's also kinda tucked away in a spot that's easy to overlook and you are unlikely to revisit when re-exploring. It was my only way forward and I completely misunderstood its purpose hahah. Apart from that, I completed the game without doing a ton of unnecessary backtracking and it honestly felt kinda short, despite being a full-length 2D Metroid game and even after 100%ing it.
@diccchocolate416
@diccchocolate416 Год назад
I did EXACTLY the same thing
@ZahirSardar
@ZahirSardar 7 месяцев назад
Your analysis & attention to detail is incredible. Awesome explanation.. thank you.
@RyanDMcDonnell
@RyanDMcDonnell 2 года назад
I feel like something left out of this discussion was the need to make Metroid Dread accessible to new players, leading to the slightly more hand-holding nature of the game. Nintendo invested a ton in marketing for this game, and is likely trying to make Metroid their more mainstream grown-up game, but needs to make it easier to get into. While I love games that are more challenging to navigate and traverse, I think that (especially with Nintendo's current audience), it's challenging to get people into that on a first try. I think Metroid Dread did a fantastic job of being satisfying for Metroidvania enthusiasts while still being approachable enough for a first-timer. I think this is a great step in the right direction and I'm optimistic that as the Metroid audience grows, the games can get more complex with time.
@hkr667
@hkr667 2 года назад
I agree. I've never played any Metroid, but by Mark's description, this approach screamed 'make it accessible to new players' to me.
@EdreesesPieces
@EdreesesPieces 2 года назад
If their goal is accessibility to the most players, why not also put difficulty modes? The difficulty is clearly designed only for hardcore players, much like getting lost in some other Metroid games is designed for hardcore players. They just shifted where they decided to make it hard. Before finding where to go was the hard part, and now it's the combat that's hard. I think they sacrificed one from of accessibility (one that hurts me because I like very non linear design) in favor of another. What I'm saying I don't think the games prime philosophy was accessibility so it's a shame it sacrificed non linear design in its name.
@felipecosta-kv2fx
@felipecosta-kv2fx 2 года назад
@@EdreesesPieces dark souls is popular but It's hard, why not the same thing with metroid?
@TheFoodieCutie
@TheFoodieCutie 2 года назад
Thank you for your post, but there’s been historical examples of dumbing down games for audiences which ended up backfiring and creating disappointment with handholding.
@felipecosta-kv2fx
@felipecosta-kv2fx 2 года назад
@@TheFoodieCutie examples?
@Imaginita
@Imaginita 2 года назад
This was my first ever metroidvania and personally, I’m really glad the game was so linearly obvious. I was worried going in that I’d get lost and give up (and I nearly did on a few occasions, most embarrassing that exact room where you had to shoot the ceiling), but thanks to the path being so intuitive, I blasted through my first run and played twice more, 100%ing it (my first 100% ever) on the third. Thanks to this, I feel much more comfortable/interested in playing more, harder metroidvanias in the future. I’m also much more into fighting games a la Hyrule Warriors, so the timing-based and pattern-learning boss battles were really rewarding for me, which improved my experience of the game as well.
@moderusprime
@moderusprime 2 года назад
This isn't a metroidvania game. It's a Metroid game.
@raul4033
@raul4033 2 года назад
@@moderusprime metroidvania
@korax2050
@korax2050 2 года назад
Play Hollow Knight if you want a bigger world.
@jerrygomez3825
@jerrygomez3825 2 года назад
@@raul4033 metroid. Castlevania (sotn) "borrowed" from metroid. Metroidvania is for the ps kids that didn't grow up on Nintendo and metroid
@kbastard
@kbastard 2 года назад
@@raul4033 yeah Metroidvania is more of a genre inspired by Metroid (and Castlevania I think) this would not include Metroid itself
@RootReducer
@RootReducer 2 года назад
I felt exactly the same as you. The points of no return were the most egregious trick, and the one that frustrated me the most on my playthrough. I didn't backtrack for items until literally right before the final boss for this reason.
@bok4822
@bok4822 2 года назад
Same. As a fairly experienced player who really enjoys to explore, I noticed the points of no return so quickly that I started looking for when they did it just to see what they came up with. Only about 3 times did I backtrack, first 2 there was barely anything to unlock because no sufficient abilities, final time was right before final boss. And even then I felt that I might've been missing an optional ability because some of the harder speed boost puzzles (did not know fully how it worked). Still ended on 80% completion though, and enjoyed the game a whole lot. The final boss was also perfect imo. All that buildup about Raven being a challenging foe, and boy did he deliver his punches while brushing off almost all damage.
@readyforlol
@readyforlol 2 года назад
I think that might have been a mistake. Every time i found something out of reach with my current abilities, i marked them on my map. Whenever i got a new ability, i would try to return to those spots and was confronted with the points of no return. Those then didn't register at all like roadblocks, but like any other puzzle in the game instead. Also made it so i never took a "cleared" area for granted, and helped me feel lost and in danger for much longer than they could have done with only new areas being unknown territory. Felt like the map itself was an enemy to be beaten at its own game, rather than just a set of walls guiding me to the next story beat. This also allowed me to find weird ways to beat puzzles in ways i wasn't sure were intended at the time. I had a blast.
@readyforlol
@readyforlol 2 года назад
@@bok4822 Oh yes, Raven Beak punching you into walls felt MEATY.
@josiahgarber3761
@josiahgarber3761 2 года назад
I actually backtracked fairly often, and was surprised at how open it was. There were several one-way doors, but most of them could be bypassed if you didn’t try to go back immediately after the shut. The only doors that frustrated me were the ones in Ghavoran as I felt the training wheels should be off. Other than that and a bit of over reliance on Teleportals in a few instances, I thought the exploration was great, definitely better than Fusion
@c0mplex_Ale
@c0mplex_Ale Год назад
yeah, in this aspect Super tops Dread by a huge margin
@Pigeon0fDoom
@Pigeon0fDoom 5 месяцев назад
Got this for Christmas some time ago. Those points of no return bugged me from day 1. I wanted to explore and go back to the places I remembered to go to. When I stopped resisting I finished the game in a couple of hours. It felt like the game had fun with me and more like a movie...
@arthurpprado
@arthurpprado 2 года назад
after learning about the one-way door in Super, I started paying attention to points of no return, so I noticed a lot of the ones in Dread, but I also learned to welcome them and keep some of them in mind, especially with the ability to place markers in the map. They didn't feel as much like a direct interference in my gameplay but rather an invitation to visit the place again later, after uncovering more of the world elsewhere. I actually made sure to backtrack after finding out about Itorash so I could get some upgrades and visit some more hidden areas. The only thing I didn't do were the shinespark puzzles because I didn't know at the time that it was given more flexible mechanics and thought they would require some very heavy execution
@theakiwar9118
@theakiwar9118 2 года назад
Surprisingly as backwards as it sounds, the more you replay dread the more open it becomes and entices exploration. The sequence breaks you mentioned where nice, but by far not the end of it. The game deliberately tries to teach you tricks on the first playthrough, which you can use on subsequent playthroughs. If you are going for 100% which many of us are on our first playthrough, you are confronted with really complicated shinespark puzzles. What players don’t know, these puzzles give you the basics for shinesparking end game. Why end game? Because it will be important on a later playthrough. The second playthrough you play through. You are going to ask yourself, can I do this with that, only to be rewarded with opening up the gated map, leading to early boss fights and or early items. What players don’t know is that the entire map was made to be sequence broken. Many blocks, secret passages are consecutively placed to make guide you to an item, in an unintended order. The best part, if you get said item early, the devs planned it, leading you to getting another item early and another. Making an entirely different Route, while being able to get lost and explore the whole map. Most of the time you feel like you are outsmarting the devs, only to notice, that they made a secret route, to an upgrade. And here’s the best part, those secret routes, are never meant to be explored on a normal playthrough. They don’t have tanks or are connected to the intended route. They are just there to be for sequence breaking. Best example. The very first EMMI zone features secret tunnels throughout frozen artaria, to lead you to the screw attack before experiment Z-57. After the shinespark puzzle in Burenia, there are secret tunnels that lead directly to the room pre gravity suit. An entire room has been added in Dairon, to get thr grapple beam early, and with it (you can also get following upgrade without the GB) you can get the bombs, with which you can get the flash shift and pulse radar early. Before Kraid mind you! All Aeion Abilities within early game. If you cleverly shinespark in Dairon, you can get the Super Missiles early, which are a great help for bosses like the chozo soldiers and Drogyga. After getting the ice missiles, you can get the cross bombs early by sequence breaking out of an intended area with the shinespark. In the same room, you can get to Burenia early ro get the gravity suit early, of course shinesparking required. In Ferenia, with cross bombs and the shinespark, you can get the space jump early. With the shinespark and screw attack you can kill escue in 10 seconds. The gravity suit, makes the purple EMMI sections a breeze. And all of these are dev intended and don’t require glitches, but clever thinking. If you sequence break one item, you are led by an invisible hand to sequence break all of them. 70% of the items are early obtainable, without glitches!!! All being intended by the developers!!! Talking abouz the first run through dread is doing a major disservice to the true openness of the Game. The openness may be hidden at fist, but the first playthrough is there to teach you, how to break out of the shell! All of those Missile tanks and E Tanks that where only possible with Shinesparking, where a tutorial for the „hidden” game experience for dread. So if any if you think Dread is linear and focuses less on exploration, please try sequence breaking the game. Only then you will truly experience the brilliant game design of Metroid Dread Of course Super is still superior in the SB department, with the reverse boss rush and all. But Dread comes really really close to Super Metroids openness regarding sequence breaking. Dread is significantly more open in that regard than Zero Mission.
@nekromax7
@nekromax7 2 года назад
Fair points and it's cool that Metroid offers this style of repeat play, but personally I found that it made the first playthrough kinda bland. The map felt so mechanical and artificial, not like an organic world I ever wanted to learn more about.
@LealFireball
@LealFireball 2 года назад
I have done a sequence break playthrough in dread and can second this post but I absolutely disagree with Dread being more open to sequence breaking than zero mission. In ZM you are free to not pick up most upgrades and finish the game with just the morph ball, a single missile tank, power grip, bombs, ice beam and the 3 unknown items required for a 9% item completion just because the varia suit is given automatically when you get the fully powered suit. You can fight ridley before kraid, grab the screw attack before the varia suit, get super missiles early, there are many different routes you can take to beat the game, all developer intended and also has a special ending illustration for hard mode under 15%. It's definitely the second most open game in the series for sequence breaking.
@xKumei
@xKumei 2 года назад
Kinda reminds me of what Mark Rosewater would call lenticular design. For a card game, you can make a card that seems simple to newer players yet complex to advanced ones. You do this by making an obvious intended use for new players to see, while advanced players can see all the edge cases it can be applied. The complexity is gaited by the amount of knowledge you have.
@Diablon76
@Diablon76 2 года назад
As someone who was really disappointed by the level design, maybe I should try that. I did LOVE how the end game shinespark puzzles taught me new ways to use the ability, it might be fun trying it earlier on. Not sure how much I'll enjoy having to escape so many one-way lock traps though, I feel like I could easily have my precious sequence breaking taken away by just stepping on the wrong tile lol I might give it a shot and play through the game a second time
@AchHadda
@AchHadda 2 года назад
He needs to pin this comment !!
@deandabbles
@deandabbles 2 года назад
So glad to see this series still going. Just watched through the whole playlist and was worried when the thumbnails stopped saying boss keys.
@michaelthem3
@michaelthem3 2 года назад
I kinda noticed but it is great to see your video, because it gives a lot of clarification on why it was easy to go through without taking the wrong path. They certainly did an amazing job of blocking the ways back and put the right indications for us to follow the right steps forward! 🙌🏼
@spark9656
@spark9656 2 года назад
I noticed how Dread continually locked the door behind me and enticed me forward with teleporters pretty early on in my first playthrough and I felt a little underwhelmed by the exploration, but I also play metroidvanias for the lore and combat just as much as the exploration and both were incredible in Dread, so I didn't let it bog me down too much. I feel the exploration really shines in subsequent playthroughs, as backwards as that sounds, because its then that you start realizing that the game has way fewer hard backtrack locks and way more ways to get things early than you first realized. Doing a second playthrough getting grapple beam, ice missiles, and gravity suit early was a completely different experience to the normal progression, and motivated me to do the speedrun challenges for the gallery on both normal and hard mode
@l3rvn0
@l3rvn0 2 года назад
I usually see sequence breaks as valid paths outside the critical path, in Mark's Zero Mission Review I disagree with him disregarding them as valid alternative paths built in the game's level design The usual skills used for sequence breaking are even taught in the demo that plays on the Super Metroid title screen, I feel like the game gives you all the tools and it's just a matter of the player's creativity to use them to do things in a non- conventional way, similar to puzzle solving on Zelda BotW. But on Dreads's case, they purposely give you the morphball and bombs later in the game and limit the sufaces the wall jump work on so they can have more control over the player. The things needed for sequence breaking are like special secrets you will only find out after playing the game at least once. They add replay value, but don't help with the exploration on your first playthrough.
@AdeptArcanist
@AdeptArcanist 2 года назад
To be honest, I really wish that Dread kept map progress on new game plus the way Fusion does. I want to try replaying the game to see if I can’t get some of those upgrades out of sequence, but the fact that I’d have to literally plan it out *before* starting the game rather than being able to check around and figure out where the routes I missed the first time around are makes it seem less possible to me…
@palas2891
@palas2891 2 года назад
I got a little annoyed by the point of no returns at times, like when I got an ability, remembered an item I could now get on the other side of the biome, but that part was now locked off and I was forced to move on. But the combat and pacing was near perfect, so I loved the game and the end-game item hunt, going trough all areas with all abilitys and being able to just easily cross all of those Points was very satisfying. Plus some of the items are very well hidden or behind tricky speed-booster puzzles, so there was still a sense of exploration in that item hunt.
@JoshTheValiant
@JoshTheValiant 2 года назад
I really strongly feel like the game's number scale for damage and health is way off basically from Kraid onward. Did you know the golden Chozo bot deals 300-400 damage with its spear? Why do we have so many health upgrades for the sole purpose of allowing you to survive 3 or 4 hits to an endgame boss? If you want it to be a threat, then make it feel earned, rather than the same boss for the fifth time just with More Numbers. I did 100% item completion and got to the final boss and then got stunlocked in the corner for more than have my health because I missed a jump over his melee combo and he just stood on me. Metroid Dread may be the finest playing Metroid game to date, but it is by no means perfect in execution.
@hedgehoundable
@hedgehoundable 2 года назад
@@JoshTheValiant The flaw with that argument is that all the bosses in this game rely heavily on pattern recognition. After you've been beaten enough times, eventually you'll be able to beat a boss with minimal scratches. Therefore, upping the damage and restricting your margins of error is, in my opinion anyway, a decent way to make the boss threatening. For sure, fighting a recolor of a previous boss isn't that big a deal since the strategy doesn't change, but knowing that it will hit you harder and demand even more precision from you is a perfect way for them to be more threatening for this game.
@DragonKnightJin
@DragonKnightJin 2 года назад
@@hedgehoundable Not to mention the Chozo Soldiers *do* get some new tricks with the new recolor showing up.
@Axecon1
@Axecon1 2 года назад
@macross_56 That's my biggest criticism of the first two Prime games.
@laggalot1012
@laggalot1012 2 года назад
I didn't think they final boss could stunlock you. Yes, you can absolutely get cornered, but there was always just enough room to escape after a combo, so long as I was jumping toward the wall behind me, and not toward the boss (as I erroneously tried on a few of my attempts). The latter will definitely make you feel like you get stuck there, but you're not actually.
@kellyrodgers9326
@kellyrodgers9326 9 месяцев назад
Your channel is amazing. As a hobby dev, I find your content inspiring and super helpful. Keep it up ❤
@Terron29
@Terron29 Год назад
your uploads are so good. Keep up this great series man. Great job!
@NamelessOne91
@NamelessOne91 2 года назад
I was eagerly waiting an episode on Metroid Dread, love this series
@Vandreand
@Vandreand 2 года назад
That makes two of us! Or maybe a million.
@abdel4455
@abdel4455 2 года назад
@@Vandreand Probably a million lol (me included)
@carrotfoot64
@carrotfoot64 2 года назад
The sequencing of this game is like Metroid Fusion, but quiet.
@FissionMetroid101
@FissionMetroid101 2 года назад
That is painfully accurate
@Mystro256
@Mystro256 2 года назад
Honestly I felt it's the way fusion should have been done. It gives the player some sense of agency, but allowing the developer to tailor the experience and narrative.
@IIIXouIII
@IIIXouIII 2 года назад
The gating of dread is way more organic and seamless than in fusion.
@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena
@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena 2 года назад
@@IIIXouIII to be fair they actually wanted to do a Fusion remake
@DarkbloomVis
@DarkbloomVis 2 года назад
differences here you can do multiple breaks while in fusion eh not so much
@7senza
@7senza 2 года назад
5:28 that's why I got lost a few times in this game. I figured that the game puts the door you should go close to the item room, so I thought "hey, this is sounds too obvious, let's go back again to the previous area" and so I did. Eventually, I forgot where the "progress" door was, so many times it was all of a cruise around ZDR to find it.
@alanread460
@alanread460 2 года назад
I did this too. Whenever I got something, I would scour early areas that I remembered could be used by said item only to find out the next area is blocked or I couldn't even get to the area with the power up. This caused me to get lost since I didn't I think the way forward would be so close to the new item I just got.
@levisargent6430
@levisargent6430 2 года назад
I understand your feelings towards these mechanics, I grew up on metriod and opened the game hoping for something like hollow knight, even thought metroid fusion is my favorite metroid game, these mechanics did feel pretty restrictive😅
@gandalfandchill549
@gandalfandchill549 2 года назад
Yeah, the game "tricked" me for the first few hours; I understood what it was doing, but BUT it started letting the other parts of my brain creep to the forefront for items and speedrunning. Other than Super M, this is the first Metroid game that I immediately started playing again after the credits, knowing that I wanted to get all the items. The shine spark puzzles were mindblowingly fun to work out, then execute, which took even longer. In other Metroid games, if I got stuck on a shinespark puzzle that wasn't essential, I would just leave it behind. I guess what I'm trying to say is that in previous games ALL I cared was exploration (thanks Super M and Prime), NOW I play for completion, speed-running, AND sequence breaking, which is crazy to me.
@andersonfaleiro6527
@andersonfaleiro6527 2 года назад
this is a very interesting point "the game has led you to consider making these challenges more accessible than other interactions"
@Mystro256
@Mystro256 2 года назад
@@electroamp I also liked that the power bombs had good utility in the last boss battle. That sun like thing killed me way too many times until I discovered its weakness.
@Rethgaul
@Rethgaul 2 года назад
Honestly - I appreciated being lead in the right direction most of the time. There was one or two times where I blanked the "obvious" progression route and accidentally explored a bunch - but since I got to explore more and pick up upgrades I missed then that was still an enjoyable experience. Mostly though, I'm just a lot busier nowadays - so I definitely appreciate a game that will give me a focused and concentrated experience if I'm willing to follow it's lead and not force myself to fight against it. Metroid Prime 1 will always have a special place in my heart - as my first Metroid game, and the one where I truly had time to explore and get lost in its environments. Metroid Dread was a concentrated romp from start to finish - and I even took the time out first time through to get 100% items. EDIT: It may have also helped that this was my second 2D Metroid game; the first being Fusion. Not being able to cakewalk the bosses definitely helped slow down my experience a little - and that might have helped break up the exploration a bit more than the average player.
@johnkoerner8125
@johnkoerner8125 2 года назад
This was my first Metroid game, and the strategies described here really made the experience for me. It’s not a coincidence that the most frustrating part of my first playthrough was shortly after getting the speed boost. The devs rely on you learning the shine spark to navigate easily to the teleporter that takes you to the grapple beam. I didn’t know how to shine spark and consequently got lost searching for progression in Burenia, when I was supposed to head back to Arataria through one of the teleporters mentioned in the video.
@EthanAlexander91
@EthanAlexander91 2 года назад
As someone who’s first Metroid game was Fusion, I instantly fell in love with this game. I ended up finishing my first playthrough at around 12 hrs with 64% completion, but I’ll be playing this one for years, I’m sure.
@squashedhobbit6049
@squashedhobbit6049 2 года назад
This is my first metroid game, and I like how this world is helping me I've tried metroidvania before but always get lost then have to put the game down and get on with work life for a couple days and when I pick it up again I have forgotten everything I was meant to be doing. But with this it helps me remember, once I finish this I will definitely go back and try my best to get a bigger completion rate.
@dabom88
@dabom88 2 года назад
Hi Mark. Having watched your Boss Keys before, my first playthrough through Dread was with that critical eye and noticed the Points of No Return whenever they happened. Something I thought would have been good to talk about was the much more detailed map in Dread than in previous Metroid games. Hollow Knight creators went with the decision of a minimally detailed map because they thought too many map markers would confuse players. Mercury Steam went in the complete other direction with Dread and noted every single obstacle in the path. And, ultimately, I think that is the better decision. In one of Nerrel's videos, he made an interesting note: the more detailed map listing every obstacle could effectively serve as another form of waypoint marker. The difference is, whereas games like Zero Mission explicitly put your next destination on the map, the more detailed map in Dread served to show various points of interest the player could now explore with their new abilities. It just doesn't explicitly tell you "You can get through THESE obstacles now!". And leaves you to find these disguised "waypoint markers" on the map screen for yourself. The more detailed map served as a tool to guide the player in finding the path forward. In a way that the player could find on their own, by effectively putting multiple "waypoint markers" on the map at once, disguised as obstacles on a more detailed map. And cutting down on player frustration of having to make their own notes.
@omegax1289
@omegax1289 2 года назад
You make a very good point about how the game uses the map to guide the player in a subtle, but effective way. Having every single "lock" marked on the map cuts down on the frustration a first time player might experience trying to remember all the places where they might have the ability to use a certain powerup to progress.
@roaringthunder115
@roaringthunder115 2 года назад
I remember when I got to Dairon and encountered the Yellow Emmi, it was impossible to move forward because of the platform that raises a wall. I gave up trying and went to Cataris, not knowing that was exactly what I needed to do.
@jonahkluger6136
@jonahkluger6136 2 года назад
I actually noticed that too and it pissed me off. I wanted to see what I had missed and clear out the area first, but the game said I had to go the way they wanted.
@rossedwardmiller
@rossedwardmiller 5 месяцев назад
This video has sold me on Metroid dread. A Metroid that cuts out huge swaths of wasted time exploring sounds like a perfect game
@musictorin
@musictorin 3 месяца назад
...that's removing the whole point of metroid though.
@emilyneudorf1245
@emilyneudorf1245 2 года назад
After playing through the game a few times, I find this video so fascinating. I first watched it after my first play through, where I 100% the game. It took me around 12 hours, during which time I got hopelessly lost as I focussed more on filling in my map than following the breadcrumbs. I got extremely lost, rarely used the teleporters, and was terrified of the EMMIs the entire time. Then, knowing I wanted to get all the ending rewards, I saw this video. Knowing what to look out for made my next playthrough much easier to do quickly, and I managed it in under 4 hours. Then I did the same thing in hard mode. Honestly, I don’t think I would have realized these tricks without this video, as I’ve only really completed Samus Returns and I’m not as familiar with metroidvanias. Awesome video, totally worth my re-watches!
@MellowGaming
@MellowGaming 2 года назад
I'm kinda in two minds so far with Dread. On the one hand the feeling of movement and navigation is superb, but on the other there's been times where I got a new power and felt like I was being shuffled towards the next one rather than being given a chance to explore and find the way myself. Like the avenues for discovery were a little too narrow. Overall I am enjoying it a lot though.
@onimiste6446
@onimiste6446 2 года назад
I was about to say something, but you just sums it up with your comment (:
@Chadius
@Chadius 2 года назад
I didn't really feel "free" until I got Space Jump.
@SoberAddiction
@SoberAddiction 2 года назад
Until I started sequence breaking, the only main I felt was that I was being herded into moving where the devs wanted me to go. It felt like Fusion to me, but without the blinky "TARGET" label on my map.
@hrothgarnogar
@hrothgarnogar 2 года назад
100%
@darkn04
@darkn04 2 года назад
In my opinion that feeling comes from how claustrophobic the rooms are. Look at the map, and you see that each room is shaped exactly how it needs to be. In super metroid, the rooms are much larger and rectangular, making them more open. In my opinion that openness adds much more to atmosphere than the rooms shaped just how the have to be, and then crammed with stuff.
@isaacweston6066
@isaacweston6066 2 года назад
I'm personally a completionist when it comes to Metroidvania's, and this game was pretty great for that, because it was generally clear which way I had to go, so I would check around the other ways and clear out what I could find, then move on. That said, the one-way gates got INCREDIBLY frustrating when I was finishing up the last few unlockables, because a path would look clear on the map, but then it wouldn't be when I got there. I wish a late game powerup (say, power bombs) could have been able to destroy the flip gates. It would have saved a lot of tedium.
@nikxneon6615
@nikxneon6615 2 года назад
You must not have known then that if you take the elevator to Itorash and then go back down, all of the teleporters will connect to each other, so you can go literally anywhere easily.
@SaturninePlaces
@SaturninePlaces 2 года назад
Agree with this a ton, knowing where you need to go is equally useful when you don't want to go that way. And those valve gates really should've been toggleable with the last powerup at least.
@jonlow_snow3039
@jonlow_snow3039 2 года назад
@@nikxneon6615 Wait, really. FFS, I decided to go collectible hunting right before going to Itorash because I thought going there would be a cutoff point, or at least it would've felt weird to leave the final boss area just after entering it in order to go collectible hunting. Well, useful for future playthroughs, I guess.
@Dharengo
@Dharengo 2 года назад
@@nikxneon6615 Wait what do you mean? You can choose any teleporter you want as a destination? Does it tell you this?
@FlowCylo
@FlowCylo 2 года назад
@@Dharengo It tells you that just after unlocking the last teleporter. (I actually had the blue teleporter as my last one and not the one on Itorash)
@TheChocolateEagle
@TheChocolateEagle 2 года назад
definitely found myself clashing with those points of no return at first and got a little frustrated, but i got into a rhythm where i started to recognize the points where the game said “okay you can backtrack for a bit now”
@joseluispcr
@joseluispcr 9 месяцев назад
Those are amazing tools to be used properly. Blocking areas to get lost, crumbs, having locks close to the key-powers, covenient teleportation and more than one route going in the same place, are all good to help avoiding problems of metroidvanias of excessive big world map. Dread uses this too much maybe (I didn't played, I am geting this from the video) but some others metroidvanias can have this to keep the world explorable aways in a covenient size, not too big, not too small. It can also be used to lead to wrong ends actualy. In metroidvanias sometimes I want the player to first to find the locked door to after it to find the keypowerup to open it. This makes they think "I know what to do with this" and "I know where to go next", "I finnaly am going back there" feelings. Good feelings. So you could put some crumbs that lead to a closed door, for example, and the alternative path that leads to the keypower. So good tools
@Mitcheck315
@Mitcheck315 2 года назад
11:44 "enemies on the other side of a wall can encourage you to blast through hidden blocks" david jaffe in shambles
@CitrusArchitect
@CitrusArchitect 2 года назад
I can’t stand spending hours not sure where to go. Hollow Knight was really frustrating to me in that way. So something like this is more up my alley - the freer exploration for me came at the end when I was looking for pickups.
@adam145
@adam145 2 года назад
Yep, I absolutely loved Dread's fast pace. I already went though it twice to get the bonus endings and it's great how you're constantly guided by the world. I think I prefer this style to the other games. You're not constantly lost or just pushing towards a dot on the map.
@shannonjones8877
@shannonjones8877 2 года назад
I kinda enjoyed this setup for that reason as well. On my first playthrough i just progressed naturally, grabbed whatever upgrades i came across and made my way to the end. Second playthrough, i followed mostly the same progression, and then once i got the final upgrade, i decided to go back and explore the world to get 100%. I liked how you can focus on advancement at first, and then switch gears and focus on pickups. And since controlling Samus and moving around the map is so enjoyable anyway, and the puzzles are so well crafted, going back and finding everything across the map was a wonderful experience for me. And then even after all that, i still had the option to start more playthroughs and play around with exploring to find possible sequence breaks. What's not to love?
@leetri
@leetri 2 года назад
Yeah I gave up on Hollow Knight for that reason. Not only is it hard to tell where you need to go, it takes forever to move around the map so it makes it a chore to try things out. There's too many places to go at once when I haven't even unlocked all the moves yet.
@molten8022
@molten8022 2 года назад
This being my first metroid game, getting lost was my greatest concern but I didn't even notice these tricks and loved both the exploration and the combat
@joelsytairo6338
@joelsytairo6338 Год назад
I guess let’s all ignore that part in dairon after the yellow Emmi and speed booster where the game points you in a direction your definitely not supposed to go
@AGunSmith
@AGunSmith 2 года назад
"Why you didn't get lost in Metroid Dread?" the only correct answer: because my name is not David Jaffe
@freetrader0000
@freetrader0000 2 года назад
lol I can tell 13:16 was absolutely a jab at David Jaffe.
@oginer
@oginer 2 года назад
@@freetrader0000 Well, he got lost, so I guess he won't watch this video
@florsch6781
@florsch6781 2 года назад
Ja, very quickly the thought came to my mind that he should watch this video.... he probably won't though :P
@handsomerob1223
@handsomerob1223 2 года назад
Was that the guy who couldn't beat the cup head intro?
@LeopoldLitchenstein
@LeopoldLitchenstein 2 года назад
I actually got lost early on my first run but from a different section with hidden blocks
@grahamdavis14
@grahamdavis14 2 года назад
The pacing of Dread was my favorite part. The cut scenes and power ups were so perfectly spaced throughout the game that it always felt like I was progressing. Something that has annoyed me with other games in this genre (including Hollow Knight - which I really liked - and even some older Metroid games) was feeling like I didn't know where to go next for too long.
@grafficacma
@grafficacma Год назад
You are probably going to enjoy the Ori games. They also have amazing pacing and make it easy to not get lost.
@wckr
@wckr 2 года назад
Thank you very much for this video! I really wondered why Metal Dread was so easy to me from the exploring side of things, now I know!
@GMTK
@GMTK 2 года назад
Glad you enjoyed it!
@vizthex
@vizthex 2 года назад
Haven't played the game yet, but whenever i play a metroidvania I always try to explore every square inch of the world and get every collectible there is. I also like to get every achievement in my favourite games, but for metroidvanias i don't bother as much since they're sometimes bs (the no death achievements in both ori games, for example)
@ErikScott128
@ErikScott128 2 года назад
The devs had a very difficult task balancing the, as you said, different "types" of players. Beyond the ones you mentioned, there are also the newcomers to the series who haven't played Super or Zero Mission, and aren't familiar with a plethora of indy titles available. They probably saw the trailer at E3 and the various highly enthusiastic reactions from various "influencers," said "this looks pretty awesome," and picked up a copy. They needed to be catered to as well. In my opinion, Dread struck as perfect a balance there could be in catering towards all of these concerns. In my first play through, I certainly noticed the one-way doors and the conveniently placed teleporters to keep distant locks easily accessible. I was largely thankful for them for the reasons you state (lower overall cognitive load). However, there were also times I did get lost (usually just missing the now openable "lock") and I ended up spending a bit of time doing a tour through old areas before finding the main path again. That was all time well spent, in my opinion. I always ended up picking up at least two or three new goodies, and provided a bit of a respite from always charging ahead. So, for me, it was a very classic Metroid experience, modernized for a broader audience without sacrificing the core aspects of the genre. When you consider it from that perspective, it really is quite an achievement, and I think it deserves all the praise it has been given. On top of that, the fact that you can sequence break the game and that the devs intended for you to be able to do so, goes to show that there's additional depth to be found in the game beyond the obvious intended path. You just have to work a bit harder to find them. Overall, the game exceeded just about all my expectations. In fact, the only complaints I had about the game are some of the damn shinespark puzzles. I had no problem locating all the items in the game without resorting to a guide (a first for me among all the Metroid games I've played), but I did need to lookup how to execute a couple of the shinespark sequences. This is probably just a personal preference; I know a lot of people really like them and find them rewarding. I just find them frustrating and un-intuitive. At least none of the shinespark puzzles were as difficult as some of those in Zero Mission (though the one in Burenia was close). Beyond that, I think it could have done away with a few of the one-way doors (or provided a way to remove them once they had served their purpose). But for me that's a very minor thing.
@spike5499
@spike5499 2 года назад
wow you put it perfectly. I've never seen someone summarize their thoughts in the youtube comments and hit the nail on the head so well. You're spitting fax 🗣️
@samy29987
@samy29987 2 года назад
To me, the video is incomplete because of tht very reason to not include sequence breaking into it. It is clearly intended and designed by he developers and Metroid has been about breaking the sequence since the very first game. It is not a traditional metroidvania where you can explore multiple paths at once and all of them are easy to find. In metroid, if you want to sequence break, you have to work for it. Also, shinespark puzzles are all about experimentation: "what can I do with this new item?" In every Metroid game speedboosting and shinesparking is one of the most rewarding upgrades you find since it tests your abilities as a player. All you have to do is sit down and figure out what you can do with it. I welcome that the game didn't tell the player how to do advanced tech and just let the player loose and free to figure out for themselves like Old school Metroid always did.
@thenonexistinghero
@thenonexistinghero 2 года назад
They didn't balance for several types of players. They only balanced it for casuals who don't actually like to explore. If they balanced it for several types of players then they wouldn't have made the design in such a way that blocks exploration for those that like to explore.
@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342
@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 2 года назад
Well said. I would also add other complaints. The game isn't kool with those who prefer a d pad lol. That being said it makes playing with a analog in a side scroller better than any side scroller I've played... I think... I guess... Also load times are shit when traveling to new locations on the trolly or teleport thingy. Thought teleporting was supposed to be fast lol.
@badoongy6362
@badoongy6362 2 года назад
I found the game was extremely close to being a perfect metroid game (in my opinion) and that the only thing that could made it better was some more exploration or just slightly less guidance because I like taking a step back and trying to figure out what to do next but I also understand that a perfect balance is very difficult. However I feel like I should get stuck like that in metroid game more than never
@driumissimo
@driumissimo 2 года назад
I got lost several times actually, but while being lost I got to look around and find side-stuff, so it wasn't that bad.
@Marthroy9000
@Marthroy9000 2 года назад
I was gonna say the same thing. I had fun exploring the area while I was lost, but I definitely just stumbled onto the right path later.
@oktalley99
@oktalley99 2 года назад
I didn't really realize it when playing the game (except for the teleports being conveniently close to like locked paths that I very recently got the ability to unlock), but I totally feel the same way. I can't really remember all that much of Dread's map like I can of super Metroid and hollow knight. granted I've played through hollow knight plenty of times, but I don't have much time in super Metroid, and I can still recognize most of the rooms you show throughout your videos. what I do see in dread is that people that usually don't play metroidvanias getting a good grasp on the game and not having those feelings of frustration when you dont know the way forward. great video!
@dougie2812
@dougie2812 2 года назад
This was my first Metroid title and now that I'm watching this I understand why I'm not frustrated with the navigation and exploration.
@queazy03
@queazy03 2 года назад
I got lost for an hour, and took me 15 hours for my first play through where I got 100%, and loved every minute of it.
@VoltageCowboy
@VoltageCowboy 2 года назад
I remember fighting the linear aspect and based on my experience from other Metroid games, I instantly back tracked and that's actually what caused me to get lost or felt I was soft locked. I picked up on the navigation aspect based on the teleport locations that made it undeniable that I was in the right area. I also remember getting the bombs and bomb jumping my way into secret areas and getting the nostalgic Metroid feeling I was expecting. I loved it!
@brendangibson8200
@brendangibson8200 2 года назад
Great video! I definitely fall into the last category of players lol. Did a 100% completion on my first playthrough, now I'm working on doing sequence breaks and seeing how little I can get away with getting before I beat the game
@thecans3501
@thecans3501 Год назад
I got lost a good amount in that game that for one of the parts i had to look up a walkthrough because I kept finding myself looping around to the same spot! I think it was after you defeat the first emmi or something, and a wierd looking plant stops you from proceeding a certain way. I do think they did a great job a guiding you, because that was the only time I used the internet to help me and most of the time I eventually found my way. Definitely one of my favorite switch games alongside breath of the wild
@SuperWiiBros08
@SuperWiiBros08 2 года назад
The amount of convenience in every level design is so Metroid
@somerandomchannel382
@somerandomchannel382 2 года назад
This seems like metroid, the toddler edition. Hope a game with free exploration comes
@bastian_5975
@bastian_5975 2 года назад
@@somerandomchannel382 Oh my god I couldn't agree more... They went too far in the blocking. I feel they need to take the lesson from super metroid's highjump/icebeam lock when you fall in the room in red brinstar right after the wave beam one way: the best locks in these games can be picked without having you do shit like shoot through the wall by sliding and jumping into the ceiling... You don't technically need the varia suit in super metroid, it's just that if you're not extremely good, you will not make it through the hot areas, making those very hot areas my favorite god damn locks in the series. When I got to the first hot room in dread, I was excited to be able to do the exact same thing, only to discover that A: they all have even more locks in them, so going through them early is almost always useless, and B: you will die before you can even do the skip anyways to the 50 fucking damage per tick. There are only 3 places you can get lost in Super if you have the skills the game expects you to have (so no IBJ, shinespark, wall jumping, etc.), immediately after icebeam if you don't get the grapple beam, immediately after space jump, and the entirety of maridia. For the first two, the solution is relatively simple, just rearrange the map so there is an obvious pathway from ice beam to grapple beam/swap their locations so that you can't escape norfair/ lower brinstar without getting the more obscure upgrade and make a more direct pathway from space jump to ridley's lair. For maridia, that just needs an entire rework, because maridia SUCKS
@ThatGuy001
@ThatGuy001 2 года назад
But it's not Super Metroid level convenience.
@GrAvYxxBooN
@GrAvYxxBooN 2 года назад
Tell that to Metroid on NES lol
@brinst_ar
@brinst_ar 2 года назад
@@somerandomchannel382 have you played it tho? I didn't yet but it seems really well designed, i don't think they went too far with the block for what i'm seeing here, since it keeps you from getting lost by going in the wrong direction BUT i'm with Boss Key in the sense that they should've made some collectables outside of the main path for those who want to explore. [But as i said, i haven't played it yet so my opinion is purely based on my other Metroid experiences and this video]
@jrobertsrhs
@jrobertsrhs 2 года назад
As someone who loves backtracking to previous areas, these points of no return were really frustrating.
@joesterling4299
@joesterling4299 2 года назад
Extremely. If I didn't want the possibility of backtracking or getting lost, I wouldn't have played every Metroid before Dread. It's part of what makes this genre. Get more capable, expand your reach into world. Dread actively thwarts that key mechanic. And that just blows.
@ebi_tempura
@ebi_tempura 2 года назад
@@joesterling4299 early grapple. Then you dont really have thay problem as much
@proteamdirector
@proteamdirector 2 года назад
@@ebi_tempura That might help in a couple scenarios but not in most. Dread uses a wide variety of ways to lock you into their path including high water, rotating barricades, one-way doors, and even freezing the entire map for no reason and no pay off.
@ebi_tempura
@ebi_tempura 2 года назад
@@proteamdirector true. The game is only properly open when you also allow pseudo waves which are a glitch
@akowalz
@akowalz 2 года назад
I actually found it even more satisfying when I could finally loop back and reach those areas.
@muhammadraza2940
@muhammadraza2940 11 месяцев назад
Loved this. Pretty much exactly how I felt playing through dread. I loved everything about it, except for the fact that the exploration felt shallow compared to my OG fav super Metroid. And it's like you said, it's because the game is designed in such a way, through soft zone locking and aggressive guide posts and markers to basically encourage a near universally streamlined exploration experience. This video is really validating and insightful. Thanks for putting this out and keep it up! Loved dread btw, bought it on the first day and ended in a week. Hope to see more for this franchise ❤
@alexchacon778
@alexchacon778 Год назад
Freakin nailed it, bro. Man what a great channel
@brandonhelcher3691
@brandonhelcher3691 2 года назад
Honestly this aspect of the game, the frequency of the "point of no return" bugged me. I'd get a new power up, want to head back to a blocked area, only to be railroaded, with the endgame having the same miniboss on loop. This game is great! Amazing bosses, Interesting lore for Metroid, but I just wanted freedom.
@samuellamoureux977
@samuellamoureux977 2 года назад
15:22 even as a completionnist, sometimes when the game blocked my path backwards I WANTED to find a way back just so I can grab the items I could now with my new upgrades
@NFS0038
@NFS0038 2 года назад
I constantly thought the same, and was frustrated the game wouldn't let me backtrack to get items. Ironically I think that contributes to the already heightened combat difficulty in this game too.
@Beakerbite
@Beakerbite 2 года назад
That's what drove me nuts. I knew the game was driving forward but I wanted more power for boss fights. It was a real struggle as I fought the railroad constantly.
@shadowflamelightburst4503
@shadowflamelightburst4503 4 месяца назад
The only time I actually got lost and had to look something up was when I didn’t realize you could shot left after the first elevator
@LukeFlavel
@LukeFlavel 2 года назад
You're completely spot on, this game had a very different approach to linearity when compared with Samus Returns and I never truly felt lost in Metroid Dread like I did for Samus Returns
@davidd7738
@davidd7738 2 года назад
“Why You Didn’t Get Lost in Metroid Dread” That is, if you aren’t David Jaffe
@metalicarus8372
@metalicarus8372 2 года назад
wth is that
@tallynnyntyg6008
@tallynnyntyg6008 2 года назад
@@metalicarus8372 A jab at a moron having trouble with "The Jaffe Room".
@natalieisagirlnow
@natalieisagirlnow 2 года назад
there were parts where i wanted to avoid a boss and attempted to find a way back and wasted a lot of time doing it
@Avrysatos
@Avrysatos 2 года назад
@@tallynnyntyg6008 Bets it gets called that if they make a randomizer someday?
@denmark5354
@denmark5354 2 года назад
@@metalicarus8372 a games journalist who got stuck in the room at 13:15 which I also have begun to call ''The Jaffe Room'' That's probably the reference being made :) The clip I've seen shows him going to ALL the different blocked off paths before going back, then proceeds to make zero effort at moving forward, because aparently, ''all rooms are dead ends'' Well, this is a metroid game, if all rooms are dead ends, start blasting.
@nathancollins3095
@nathancollins3095 2 года назад
I would really love to see you take on Dread's sequence breaking more thoroughly (which I don't see as distinct from exploration, at least with a game that expects it to this extent.) You acknowledged it at the end of the video, but an analytical approach to when a sequence break significantly opens up more of Dread's map, and when it doesn't, would be fascinating. I suspect (although I'm not sure) you might appreciate that aspect of the level design more if you dig deeper into it.
@countlazuli8753
@countlazuli8753 2 года назад
I agree. I definitely think that is something to dig into.
@xanious3759
@xanious3759 2 года назад
sequence breaking is part of what makes metroidvania world design to begin with. You could make an entire video about how just doing red tower early in SM basically immediately breaks the entire game open.
@andersonfaleiro6527
@andersonfaleiro6527 2 года назад
a video about this dimension of the game would be ideal to really give that notion of "casual player" or "expert in the genre" that the developers apparently chose to create.
@jacob-4595
@jacob-4595 Год назад
That little treat trick is hilarious. I can’t believe how easily I was manipulated with a trail of candy.
@copehick7984
@copehick7984 2 года назад
I loved the video. I am playing the first time through. At last stage but going back for everything missed. I always play my Metroid games multiple times
@andrewsoto1861
@andrewsoto1861 2 года назад
“Get stuck in a room and proclaim it a crime against game design” Shows “the room” Is it just me or was that meant for David jaffe? 😹
@julianrobertson1869
@julianrobertson1869 2 года назад
Absolutely 😂😂
@CathrineMacNiel
@CathrineMacNiel 2 года назад
has to :D
@DurandalOfAegis
@DurandalOfAegis 2 года назад
YEP!
@AstralPhnx
@AstralPhnx 2 года назад
I love this subtle jab it's brilliant
@xanious3759
@xanious3759 2 года назад
we need to petition to encourage metroidvania devs to put "jaffe rooms" in as a joke that are near identical to the room in dread just to keep the joke going lol
@ceezeeteez
@ceezeeteez 2 года назад
For me, the effectiveness of worlds that feel massive and complex yet never makes you feel lost or confused is what separates a finish from a completion, as much as I loved super metroid, the thought of 100% completing that game sends chills down my spine (I still haven't even finished it yet), and for me personally, dreads way of steering me in the right direction without shouting it is what led me to 100% it multiple times. And best of all, I never had to look at a guide once (I love you Hollow Knight, but I was never gonna get close to 100 without some help). So yeah, to each their own, everyone has a different take on what they like about metroid and thats ok, great vid as per usual.
@horntx
@horntx 2 года назад
Yeah I love hollow knight but don't play it if you are a 100% completionist and refuse to look up guides. The devs have said multiple times they don't want people to find everything. On one hand it's part of what makes that game feel massive, you can walk through the crossroads for the 16th time and notice a breakable wall. That wall leads to a whole freaking boss fight. What else did you miss?? On the other hand I think the true ending was a little too hidden, I get it was supposed to be for people who really sunk their teeth in but in practice most people are just going to look up a guide.
@ceezeeteez
@ceezeeteez 2 года назад
Yeah I get that, its something I respect A ton, but I'm A completionist at heart a I could resist getting 100% on that game, its just that good (never going to make it to 112% though, godmaster can step on a lego brick)
@joestack1921
@joestack1921 Год назад
15:01 WEIRD!! While listening to this video, I’m playing my first ever playthrough of Super Metroid, and I just went through that 1 way door at the exact time your video mentioned it. Hell yeah
@Ziggy3878
@Ziggy3878 2 года назад
in older games i took my time backtracking to get items and digest the world but i felt the way that dread played out made me remember when i could go back for an item and deliberately ignore it to come back later- right before finishing the game i went back in one sweep through every area to collect its items, which was really really satisfying after the screw attack makes u unstoppable. this was fine to me since platforming and combat were SO fresh. love how quickly the time between a game over and a respawn made me never want to give up an emmi room or a chozo miniboss fight even when i died a thousand times
@NintendoCapriSun
@NintendoCapriSun 2 года назад
Me, 10 hours after finding the Phantom Cloak and having no idea what I'm supposed to be doing next, oh and also having been eaten alive about 150 times since then: "Yeah, I'm gonna need to watch this one closely."
@NintendoCapriSun
@NintendoCapriSun 2 года назад
Wait a minute... 3:36 for real!? I have the Phantom Cloak but I don't have the Morph Ball, yet somehow I have access to almost the entire map (of course, by "entire" I mean I can get to both ends of it). I must have broken something somewhere...
@IfsoFactso
@IfsoFactso 2 года назад
@@NintendoCapriSun Sequence Breaking is a classic part of metroid, congratulate yourself
@seekersearcher9519
@seekersearcher9519 2 года назад
@Nintendocaprisun Tim!
@LordCakeThief
@LordCakeThief 2 года назад
@@NintendoCapriSun You can jump and morphball in the air, I think I did the same thing to backtrack, but I could be wrong
@ros9764
@ros9764 2 года назад
"My favourite company AND drink into one man?!"
@itsallenwow
@itsallenwow 2 года назад
Even as a veteran of Metroid I actually really liked the pace this sort of level design provided. Without the game locking you back out I think navigation would be pretty tough as it’s harder for me to distinctly remember what connects to where compared with other Metroid games for some reason. I think the game more than supplements the lost difficulty on this way by making the bosses in general harder than most of the series. As well as having all the emmi sequences making exploring a faster, more frantic experience until you take that emmi down.
@imbigbilly1352
@imbigbilly1352 2 года назад
I play Metroid games because the controls and gameplay are fun, the horror and mystery builds tension that makes every boss battle feel like a real threat which I enjoy, and it feels really good to figure out where you need to go next or to be so op by the end of the game that no enemy can stop you. That’s why I play Metroid games, specifically the 2d ones as I have yet to beat the prime games.
@Road_to_Dawn
@Road_to_Dawn 2 года назад
I just rewatched this video now that I've picked the game back up to give it a second go-round. I got a little lost as to where to go after getting the space jump, and I thought, "I wonder if Mark's video might give me some ideas." Sure enough, I noticed the space jump was near the transport back to Ghavoran, and following the lights led me to the teleporter back to Burenia, right where I needed to be. Brilliant.
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