Why You're Allowed To Cheat In Baseball 

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Why do you put so much production effort into such dribble? I seriously couldn’t make it past the first three minutes. Feels like a continuing simp for Altuve, or the UN, or the WHO, or China, than baseball. This isn’t baseball; this is politics. It’s an attack on a beloved American sport by someone who has seemingly never watch a game, and some who probably hates the society.

Don’t shill for the sportsbooks. It’s easy money but it’s wrong to make money off the gambling losses of your fans that might not have gone there without your promo…

Quit promoting gambling

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Secret Base and Jomboy are pretty damn good as well but I agree this dude should be paid way more for his work

agreed , the fact this man only has 400k subs is beyond me

I don't even watch baseball, but this dude is entertaining af

@@JK-gm6kk that part

your grandfather invented that? lmao

@@dustyowl99 no that’s just how he came across it

Grandpa was a ball boy for 10 years for the same club? Was he forced to retire because he was becoming a ball-teen? I hope that when I’m a grandfather, that my most memorable story to share with grandkids isnt that all MLB players in the 50s cheated, but something interesting.

​​@@anthonylombardo1261 what the fuck are you even talking about? it's an interesting story, and they never said it was the grandfather's "most memorable story", they just told the story

@@anthonylombardo1261 why did you feel the need to say this

especially when you grew up watching him play and it makes complete sense. Grimsley was a clown.

Grimsley was also caught juicin

Also a Cleveland pitcher was one of the last spitball hitters

That’s a real teammate

Exactly. Dropping your notes so the opponents can get it is simply carelessness on your part. No cheating there.

@@Inquisitor6321 Couldn't you argue that choosing a password that someone could guess is also careless.

@trumptontally3383 But what if that piece of paper also had their password on it? The guy "broke" into the computer by guessing the password. That's just carelessness on the owner's part.

@@robrick9361 What does that have to do with baseball?

​@@Inquisitor6321If dropping a piece of paper with personal information is careless, then choosing a password which someone could guess is also careless. It's like using 12345 as a door code.

I agree. The same with a pitcher tipping his pitches and the opposing team catching it.

Yea but it becomes cheating when you already stole the signs and decoded them without a man on 2nd yet from using the replay room like Yankees and Red Sox did. I'm not sure if you were referring to them two or just talking Baseball in general.

Sign stealing shouldn't be against rules. It's pathetic. You talk in code and they broke the code.

@@michaelstanton8363 It's not. Using a device to steal signs is, which I agree with, but I'm totally fine with sign stealing on the field.

You have to use different codes each inning at least.

And batters still can’t hit it anyway. What an absolute legend.

Shakes on a couple of signs, no need to make a mound visit, I'm gonna throw a curve ball. 😂😂

Greinke is honestly owed about 3-4 Cy Young awards!

Mariano Rivera only really threw 1 pitch and I think it kinda worked out for him. 😆

Greinke was in a league of his own man. WHen that guy was on, he was fire, but when he was off, he sure as $#!% was off.

They got snitched on by that rat Fiers.

they didn’t just steal signs they are using tech

Drastic difference between picking up a piece of paper and a grand conspiracy to cheat and hack a team.

exactly he wasnt cheating

Except that isn't a thing. He literally took something that didn't belong to him. Whether you wanna call it cheating or not, it was certainly theft.

@@monkberrymoon3999 so you're an honest person that never picks up money on the ground?

@@rookincharge2780 Whyre you teying to turn the question on em? Theft is theft. Theres no getting around that no matter how much you try.

I agree

You continue to watch it everyday there’s no we. Just because someone watches this video doesn’t mean they watch it too. Speak for yourself.

@@CowboyUp1371 dude what are you talking about

@@CowboyUp1371 lmao shut up dude

It makes it even more interesting.

Its a statistician's wet dream!

Baseball is awesome. Do you live in a city with a team? If so that’s unfortunate

I dont watch it either. I listen to it on the radio. Dont know why, but its like that sport was made to be called on the radio. Dan Dickerson and Jim Price.

@@DJMotorMouth713baseball is boring af to watch. But fun to play

I think sign stealing, as long as it is done within the context of the game and without artificial assistance, is not cheating. It's a skill

I was also expecting him to point that out. This video felt like he was making excuses for the Astros

@Uncle Bullhorn Your comment is as half-baked as this video is. Try getting the full story before typing. Of course BDE shouldn't putout half-baked videos either.

@@Mr.Dobalina113 the '51 Giants sign stealing used technology. It was 100% cheating.

@@Mr.Dobalina113 “within the context of the game” the 51 Giants were using a telescope fixed on the catcher to decode and relay signs.

If you like good content then you shouldn't care a channel inserts an ad. Just get sponsorblock. The creator gets money to make more content, you see no ads. Easy peasy.

@@RitzStarr not what I said bud. There are RU-vid sponsored ads which you can avoid via RU-vid premium and ads the creator inserts in their content that are unskippable. I like baseball doesn’t exist. I have no issue with the ads, as he is so good at content making

@@DickBumgus Lmao RU-vid vanced automatically skips sponsored ads. Have you been living under a rock my guy?

@@itzYonko nope I know of some RU-vidrs that do that. Maybe you have been however

adblock works amazingly. nor is it hard to afford 15$ a month on youtube premium. worth never seeing ads ever again

I can see why🤣

MLB only does something about it when they have to, aka when there's a public scandal. They don't care about what goes on in the dark.

What rules do you mean?

Thats how life works out with most rules. I agree it can be very annoying.

Bruh. That’s ALL rules. Rules are for the poors and non-privileged. 💁‍♂️

@@milesjobrani9394Like the Astros cheating

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BDP u mean ;)

Agreed. Love this freakin channel 😎

Word. That made me literally laugh out loud. The balls on that mfs lol

Ya after the Astros and the arsenal of different ways they cheated MLB was like "Jesus Christ! You know what fucc it thats your own legacy youre ruining not ours. Want your kids to know you as a cheater go ahead"

@@one7deep7savage7 it isn’t just an Astros problem man. There have been a lot of different ways that people have been cheating. The Astros were wrong and we should have been punished harder, but we weren’t the only problem if that makes sense

@@SchmidtyProductions27 Ya but that was the worst id ever seen in my lifetime and im 35. BUT LISTEN PLZ u said We so i assume u are a fan and u gotta not take comments like mine personal cuz its not the fans u guys are fine. Its the players. This happens to me alot with Patriots fans who literally are in denial about their team cheating.

@@SchmidtyProductions27 if anything it pissed me off more cuz loyal fans like yourself dont deserve any of that shit and shouldnt have to hear about your favorite team being called cheaters

@@one7deep7savage7 that’s fair. I’m always gonna love the team but I was extremely disappointed in them when I learned what they did, but I have forgiven them for it. I didn’t say what I said to vindicate the Astros, I’m just saying that the issue of cheating is a league wide issue and more needs to be done to keep teams from cheating

trash can boyz

They were the only ones who were called out on it.

@@Inquisitor6321facts they were the scapegoat

@@voodoozombie1837 what evidence is there?

The MLB cares about cheating if it makes the scores go down. That's all

I don't even think what Kiermaier did is cheating. They dropped a very important piece of information on the field that they didn't want anyone else to see and then just left it there and walked away. Sorry but that's on them for having horrible OPSEC

Trash, mostly produced and narrated with non factual information. Welcome to 2022.

@@MrCincykid13 Thank you! Anyone impressed with this video doesn't know much abt baseball. BDE threw together a bunch of unrelated points but left out a similar number of relevant ones, added a few mistakes along the way, then made no attempt to reach a coherent conclusion. Lazy, half-baked effort. But most people don't know enough baseball to recognize how lousy this video really is.

@@jimwerther Can you explain exactly what is wrong with this video?

No team in history has cheated like the 2017 Astros. The increase in OPS by the Houston Astros from 2016 to 2017: 1B Gurriel .677 -> .817; 2B Altuve .928 -> .957; SS Correa .811 -> .941; 3B Bregman .791 -> .827; LF Gonzalez .694 -> .907; CF Springer .815 -> .889; RF Reddick .749 -> .847; C McCann .748 -> .759. Utility Marisnick .588 - .815 That's an entire lineup with improved OPS from 2016 to 2017. Five of the nine players set career highs that they never topped. It's insane. Nothing like that has ever happened in MLB history. Cheating at such a high level that it isn't even baseball any more. It's some other game. By contrast, of the regular players on the 2018 Red Sox team, only three improved their OPS over the prior year - Bogaerts, Benintendi and Betts - and only Betts had the best year of his career. Six of the nine regular players actually decreased. The worst was in the World Series. Just one example, Kershaw threw 51 off speed pitches and the Astros swung and missed at ZERO of them. Someone ran a computer sim, and the odds of that happening were 128,061 to 1. So it would take 4266 years and it MIGHT happen again. Just absurd - why even play the game.

Hello fellow Vols fan

I had know idea that was a way you could cheat. Would it make that much of a difference?

He was (allegedly) getting threats so he put out a half assed apology. Than after the whole Yankees letter thing he took an I told you so victory lap

Beware: Anyone impressed with this video doesn't know much abt baseball. BDE threw together a bunch of unrelated points but left out a similar number of relevant ones, added a few mistakes along the way, then made no attempt to reach a coherent conclusion. Lazy, half-baked effort. But most people don't know enough baseball to recognize how lousy this video really is.

100%... in substance seems no different than legal sign stealing when on 2nd. He shouldn't have been such a weasel about it though.

Agree. Not cheating. This comes with the territory of writing things down and losing your trade secrets. The Jays were in the wrong here.

100% agreed

Not cheating, but a dishonest and dirty way to play the game.

@@pupfriend well, if I found the other team's play card I would be hush hush about it too. there is absolutely no cheating there.

I like how NASCAR handles cheating scandals. They explicitly state that they expect every team to push the envelope and no punishment will be dolled out if ‘said’ cheating is uncovered but no rules were already established before ‘said’ cheating.

@@lordchaa1598 Oftentimes its settled by drivers punching the shit out of each other.

the best one is when they removed the gas tank of a car to inspect it said that it was illegal .the crew chief said that's ridiculous and drove the car all the way back to the pits with no gas tank at all !!!😅

@@erikbergstrom258 Exactly! Smokey Yunick was crazy!

@@erikbergstrom258 30 feet of gas line snaking around the car?

Exactly. I don’t agree with the cheating at all, but they’ve become the scapegoats of the league in terms of cheating. So many other teams did this before and even after. It’s a shame

It's bad, but it happened. He shouldn't have taken it, but he did. What's the point in giving it back after the organization already disseminated it?

@@hiddeninsorrow is it that bad? If you’re gonna carry that around in your pocket you’d think you would be a little more careful. It’s not like he broke into their lockers and stole it, he just got it off the ground.

@@thelyonking5812 The worst part was that everyone saw him do it and he clearly knew what he was doing but he still had the gall to do an interview and act all clueless. Like man everyone knows what you did, just own up to it. He'd deserve respect if he was honest, but he wasn't.

Can’t be, the Astros invented cheating and ruined the integrity of the sport

We forgive him for that now fr he's been beautiful in centre field

Anyone impressed with this video doesn't know much abt baseball. BDE threw together a bunch of unrelated points but left out a similar number of relevant ones, added a few mistakes along the way, then made no attempt to reach a coherent conclusion. Lazy, half-baked effort. But most people don't know enough baseball to recognize how lousy this video really is. But yeah, hia production has gotten quite good, so if you don't realize that the content is lousy and inaccurate you'd think it's hot stuff.

@@jimwerther What the fuck? Literally felt a shiver up my pussy as I read this

Yeah folks, Jim’s an expert. One day when he does his own investigative work he can explain how he came to his conclusion about this video. That is, after he gains thousands of followers on his own channel that doesn’t exist yet.

Most unlikable team in the league at the time. Somebody had to be the scapegoat

They were simply the scapegoat for the larger market teams like the dodgers and Yankees aka MLBs precious little princesses. It's also why the players never got disciplined, because then MLB would have to investigate every franchise and it would come out that over half the league was cheating at the time. People who continuously bash the Astros for being cheaters are by far the most delusional baseball fans on the planet.

@@Windrammer How were they the most unlikable team? They were fun to watch back in 2017 and I actually rooted for them in the WS that year, they hadn't won anything in a long time. Things have changed now though.

@@Windrammer They were certainly one of the more likeable teams at the time. Altuve was the baby face of MLB as the "Anyone can be great" type and after being horrible for years. Everyone was rooting for them to win. I do think its crappy they are the ONLY team that gets a bad rap for cheating but I'm just hoping they slowly regain that favor.

That's what happens when you level the playing field with LA, NY, and BOS. Only big market teams can cheat while buying out all the big free agents in the league. Their media will crush you with bad publicity if you beat them at their own game.

Spit was increasing the weight of the baseball by 2??. Are you sure you wrote that correct? Because that sounds kind of crazy

@@generalbucknaked3080 UP TO 2 times. The volume of a baseball allows for a LOT of mass to be added and players would go to the limit. Especially older balls, which were not packed as consistently as today. Players use to hide lubricants in their groin and knee caps to apply mass to the ball. One player even used Vaseline in the 60s. Mind you, this is after it was made illegal

@@Tevatron044 nah you're tripping. Old hide balls, the leather would have swollen and ripped at the seams before you ever added that much water weight. Later balls and newer balls had processed leather/outers that would never allow for that fast of water incursion. You'd have to soak them underwater for half a day to start getting anywhere. I don't think you understand how tightly the outer cores of baseballs are wound.

@@ObservationofLimits spitballing hasn't been legal since the 30s when you account for the grandfathered pitchers. Reports of balls being so wet that they spun off spit as they were thrown and created a misty burst on contact happened consistently. Blowing the cover off balls was also a lot more common than now. This is how it was. A baseball has enough empty volume for an increase of weight to 2.3x, including absorption in wool. This level of weight increase was probably not common, but possible. Remember that these balls were made over 100 years ago. There's a big difference from those balls to the ones we have now

You guys sure know a lot about balls. And spit.

Didn't you watch this video? Literally nobody has ever cheated except the Astros.

MLB decided to stupidly put instant replay in baseball. THEN they put those cameras and TV outputs in the dugout. THEN they got upset that smart players peeked and noticed pitchers tipping their fastball & banged a lid to alert a batter who had to hope they were correct & still hit the ball. MLB creates its own headaches Unbelievable

@@dannyhightower911 did YOU watch the video ?

@@dant3_rodant395 I was making a joke lol

@@dannyhightower911 lol

That's funny! Underrated comment.

He didnt. Mark didnt do his app video until 2019. The cheating happened in 2017 & 2018. I think Mark did his whole app thing because of the Astros to see if it could be done.

@@thedoctor7949 ohhh lol he’d just showed the video lol

It was the same password that Luhnow had used when he was in St. Louis. "Guessing" it was hardly complicated.

That's way less common than simply picking the seam. Obviously Australia got busted for that recently, so it happens, but you don't need anything but your hands to mess with the seam to achieve very similar results. You can't get busted for having hands.....

He's still a tool😂

@Bread And Circuses A blurse

You’re missing out

Anyone impressed with this video doesn't know much abt baseball. BDE threw together a bunch of unrelated points but left out a similar number of relevant ones, added a few mistakes along the way, then made no attempt to reach a coherent conclusion. Lazy, half-baked effort. But most people don't know enough baseball to recognize how lousy this video really is.

And they actually earned that World Series and basically trolled us with an ineffective cheating system for 4 months.

Their fans really have it rough too, might I add.

For real. The Astros became the scapegoat for MLB to eliminate sign stealing altogether. Literally every team has been doing it for 200 years but casual fans get to pin all their hatred on one team who barely even did anything compared to some other teams

@@alfowler113 It's because the Astros won. And when they won, they beat baseball's three biggest darlings: Red Sox, Yankees, Dodgers. Had they not won, no one would have cared what they were doing. Which tells you that this is not about cheating in and of itself. No one questions the 2009 Yankee title even though the guy carrying them was Aroid Rodriguez. I can go on (about the Yankees in particular), but you get the idea. MLB had to address sign-stealing after Mike Fiers ratted his own former team out. (But even in doing so, acknowledged it was a "league-wide" issue which quickly became a lost piece of the narrative.) Rather than dealing with a "league-wide" scandal (a la steroids), the MLB decided to just let a 'non-legacy' franchise that only has roots going back to the early 60s and that even had to switch leagues as recently as 2013 take the fall. It was a business move. Not a move based on any real principle regarding sign-stealing around the league as a whole. There was no justice in just ignoring all the leads that pointed to a whole host of other teams including the Yankees. "Let this little upstart take the hit for this as opposed to all of baseball" had to be the thinking here.

@@manzac112 Has anyone actually produced any evidence of "trash can bangs" during the 2017 postseason? I can't find any. You figure it would be relatively easy to do. I've read sources close to the investigation that say they never thought to do it during the postseason because it would be way too obvious and that Manfred just "thinks" they "could have" or something to that effect. Kind of convenient that no one wants to look further into it. It gives the Dodgers and Yankees an immediate excuse for losing that year just leaving the details murky right there even though you'd think this would all be pretty easy to verify.

Yes, one of the many problems with this mess of a video.

the intent is the same though. You make a decision to take something that doesn't belong to you because you think it might help your team win. Also the dude with the computer didn't steal the password he guessed it. Legally speaking if you know the username and password to an account then don't you legally have access to it? I guess not because he went in to prison but maybe he just had shit lawyers. I think people should just be disgusted that our top baseball athletes and coaches don't want to win based off of performance and skill but rather getting one over on the other team. Instead of watching the best team win are we watching the most successful cheaters? Like imagine if that dude who didn't catch the pass in the stands stood up and was like "nah I didn't catch it I missed it." We don't care about integrity we just care about money and winning. If you can't look at an equally skilled opponent that beats you and say good game man we tried our hardest but you got us then you don't deserve to be in sports. All cheating does is disrespect the sport, the opponents, and the fans. And since it is baseball tradition to cheat a little it will never go away. Baseball is so freaking weird to me sometimes. You can have a culture where if a batter or team piss you off as a pitcher of if your coach tells you, you are legally allowed to throw a projectile at a persons head with lethal force and it is not attempted murder or assault. At worst you get kicked out the game or suspended a few games. Guarantee you if you send the next pitcher to jail that intentionally throws at someones head that shit will stop real quick.

@@glazed6178 Picking something up off the ground once gives you several orders of magnitude less data than logging onto a computer for years. It isn't a repeated action. It does not require overcoming a security system. It does not come with the potential of stealing financial information, etc. Yes, they're similar actions, but they are literally, practically, and legally on such a different scale that one is a felony and the other isn't. Even if you think they're both theft, if one is like stealing $100 the other is like stealing $1,000,000. If you don't like a player because you think that's unfair, go for it. I agree that it's bad sportsmanship, and I think it would have been reasonable for MLB to demand the return of the card or issue a suspension. They're both things done in the same gross spirit, but they're not at all equivalent actions.