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Why You Should Be Critical of Charismatic Claims [Improviso #31] 

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Jared argues that we are justified and obligated to be skeptical of individual charismatic claims.

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@Outrider74
@Outrider74 6 месяцев назад
Yep. And speaking as somebody who spent a significant length of time in the pentecostal/charismatic movement, I can say that the skepticism is justified. I can also say that far too much of the bad ideas in this movement have seeped into traditionally non-charismatic churches and confessions.
@BertiferousRex
@BertiferousRex 4 месяца назад
The former assistant pastor of our LCMS church claims to have audibly heard God, once. He was in or just finishing seminary and was really doubting that it was the right thing for him to do and why did he go through with it, etc. One day he was visiting a friend in the hospital in his collar, and when he went to leave someone else saw the collar and stopped him and asked him to pray with them. Then it happened again. And again. And he spent the whole day there with different families. And when he finally did leave the hospital, he claims to have audibly heard three words: "This is why." He became a full time chaplain for a hospital and with the FBI, and only a part-time assistant at church.
@thethikboy
@thethikboy 6 месяцев назад
One word: Enthusiasm
@barelyprotestant5365
@barelyprotestant5365 6 месяцев назад
First.
@HenryLeslieGraham
@HenryLeslieGraham 6 месяцев назад
however as the Lord saith: "the first shall be last..."
@barelyprotestant5365
@barelyprotestant5365 6 месяцев назад
@@HenryLeslieGraham Last.
@HenryLeslieGraham
@HenryLeslieGraham 6 месяцев назад
@@barelyprotestant5365 #gottem
@brucewayne2558
@brucewayne2558 3 месяца назад
hi
@bradleymarshall5489
@bradleymarshall5489 6 месяцев назад
For a sec I thought you were going to pull an atheist and say "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" obviously this is different though
@ScholasticLutherans
@ScholasticLutherans 5 месяцев назад
I laughed about that to myself throughout this past week too.
@NotChemnitz
@NotChemnitz 5 месяцев назад
I feel like The Remnant Radio’s channel does a decent job toeing the line on open/sincere belief and trust in the miraculous claims of the Holy Spirit’s works but with healthy evidence and discernment, always bringing charismaticism back to chapter and verse.
@ScholasticLutherans
@ScholasticLutherans 5 месяцев назад
I have my fair share of issues with them tbh. Their prophetic standards are not good.
@daffodilaura
@daffodilaura 5 месяцев назад
@@ScholasticLutherans Indeed their standards are terrible. I was just watching a video on that. I'll share it with you over Discord...
@stephengray1344
@stephengray1344 6 месяцев назад
Bringing up Mike Bickle seems somewhat irrelevant to your point. There are several examples in scripture of people who made true prophecies but had severe moral failings (King Saul and King David being the most obvious examples0. None of the discussion of what happened there that I've seen seems to be saying that he made false prophecies, simply that he sinned in particularly horrible ways and then covered it up when it was brought to light, rather than repenting. That said, your overall point that Charismatics have often failed to exercise discernment is correct. Like so many other movements in church history we've reacted to one problematic extreme (cessationism) by going too far in the opposite direction.
@ScholasticLutherans
@ScholasticLutherans 5 месяцев назад
Well I think the Mike Bickle situation is that they said that he's such a model Christian, a good guy, that we can trust him. But your point overall is fair. I probably wasn't clear enough on that.
@Dilley_G45
@Dilley_G45 5 месяцев назад
Cessationism isn't wrong. The apostolic gifts have ceased. God can still do miracles but we no longer have apostles
@jansvarz3522
@jansvarz3522 3 месяца назад
@@Dilley_G45 I thought the Church was the body of Christ, therefore the body of God? Why would God not act through his body? Also, the gifts were not given to apostles only but to all believers (Mark 16:17-18) of course, as was said in the video, the previous two verses are much more important. Continuationism with a healthy load of Biblical scepticism is actually Biblical, contrary to cessationism which preaches either God's incompetence or ignorance.
@Dilley_G45
@Dilley_G45 3 месяца назад
@@jansvarz3522 cessationism doesn't mean GOD can't do miracles anymore. It only means the apostolic gifts have ceased. We have no more apostles. And the gifts have fulfilled their purpose. Restorationism (not continuationism) is just another modern heresy.