Why You Should be Disappointed about Bombardier 

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This is extremely upsetting because they produced great commuter rail coaches and Superliner cars for Amtrak. RIP Bombardier, you will be missed.

Bombardier's acquisition has got people asking too here in Australia. They've got local manufacturing in Melbourne and made our latest trams (based on the Flexity) and also the inter-city Vlocity and despite criticisms of them have actually performed very well. Wondering how things will go going forward

In Singapore we are replacing 3 generations of metro trains with Bombardier that’s like 100 ish 6 car trains, and honestly I was and still am excited. I find bombardier trains long lasting and quite high quality, so it’s really a shame that they are no longer a thing. I hope Alstom keeps the bombardier designs as one of their products

Fun Fact: The victoria Line trains on the London Underground where made by Bombardier, they are very good and will probaly last for the next 20-40 years. Sad to see the iconic brand gone editt: i changed 'juibille line' with 'victoria line'

Bombardier had a lot of costly problems in central europe lately, most known to me are the swiss FV Dosto (RABe 502), German IC2 Twindexx and Austrian Talent 3 EMUs

It sad to see Bombardier go. They have made really great rolling stock like the Bi-Levels and the Multi-Levels.

I was really shocked when I heard that Bombardier was about to be sold to Alstom. First, of course, because I then worry about the Bautzen and Görlitz sites. Görlitz supplied the world with double-deck vehicles. When nobody in the world had this on their screen. They are highly specialized there and with better quality management, things will get better again. Bautzen as the location for trams would also be a huge loss. The trams from Bautzen were always great. We in Dresden have had it since the 90s and we were the first to have the Flexcity with 45 m, which was developed with our transport company. Yes, Bombardier completely slept through the modernization at its locations and yes, vehicles are delivered with fault lists as long as the operating instructions. But they were also equipped with innovations. Will I miss Bombardier? Yes.

The Stockholm Metro C20 rolling stock which is my favorite metro rolling stock was built by Bombardier. Loved both the interior and exterior design of the trainsets, the fact that they were built during the mid 90s yet maintaining such high-end modern design still amazes me to this day

My mum comes from Montreal and she goes on and on about how it’s the pride of city and some of her friends worked for it

In Porto, Portugal’s 2nd largest city , bombardier trains are the most common in the metro system. Very good looking and clean 👌🏾

Once Bombardier finished London’s S stock, it all went down hill.

In Germany most bombardier products will still be produced

something people also shouldn't forget is that for europe bombardier became a large player by a takeover of adtranz, which basically was every rolling stock manufacturer in northern europe, accept for siemens, which were a lot. the fact that bombardier is no longer means there's even less competition in european rail manufacturing. imo that might even give crrc more foot ground in europe, which was one of the things the merger was supposed to prevent.

One of the reasons Bombardier was so hated in Canada was because it was a Quebec company with a French Canadian name that kept getting money. It's just such a shame, they had some great products (especially Montreal's AZUR metro train) Sigh. RIP Bombardier, some of us were very proud of you

I think Bombardier's issues have been and are a poor top-level down management system that has corrupted the company. The Bombardier family still has significant influence and decision-making pull that has led to poor decisions, and an overstretching of the company financially which led to the situation it's in now. We see how successful the C-Series planes have been but with Boeing and monetary issues, mass production was never a viable option. Many of the frames/bodies for Toronto's LRV were produced in their plants in Mexico and then shipped to Thunder Bay (and eventually Kingston) that had to be completely refurbished because their welding and wiring were poor at best. Cutting costs to get the order and then having to basically double the work because the work was done so poorly. It's a higher-level management issue that filtered down to every level of the company and caused issues. Even the strike that delayed the LRV's was partly caused by the poor management at the plant. As a result of poor culture and poor program performance delivery; its highly likely that the Thunder Bay plant will be cut as part of Alstom's restructuring when it comes.

100% agreed Reece. I actually love our Flexities here in Waterloo and much prefer them to Ottawa's Alstoms.

If you had followed the saga of Bombardier CS-100/300, now known as Airbus A220, you will know it all started with the mismanagement by the family. I even wonder if they wanted to liquidate the company, make a quick buck and call it a day.

Bombardier's Delhi fleet is one of the best. Had a hard time wrapping my head around the complaints against Bombardier.

You're very passionate and it's much appreciated. We have so little of it in Canada... Weather it be Nortel, Bombardier, Black Berry, Aluminum giants or forestry Canadians seem to love to hate being to big on the world stage, manufacturing is beneath us and so we we seem to limp along but we're collectively happy if we do ok... If people only knew the work, engineering, and history that went into say just the design of the wings in the bombardier jets... and then, it just sold off... and Canadian s are their with a big Good Riddance ! Our Government is so passive. Anyway, great Video I love that you had the courage to talk about the issue. I may remind you however that Bombardier is not dead yet, it's sold off a lot of it's divisions but a whole new world is emerging... might they take up the gauntlet again and invent yet another "skidoo"? Perhaps a man carrying drone? The first Canadian electric car, or submarine... Canada must be good at something, and able to stick with it !

From being the train sets supplier for India's first mordern metro train system of Delhi to recently developing new semi high speed train sets for India's first Rapid Rail Transit System, Bombardier Transportation was and is a part of all.

There's no love lost between me & Bombardier's 1800s for Boston's Red Line. I'm mourning Pullman-Standard!

To those that say that Bombardier was a bad company, they should check the quality issues on the REM cars from Alstom. Going from esthetic issues to the electrical dangers...

The bombardier ART-II was my childhood during the 2000s, though they were noisy, they were sleek and nimble, they were even considered cutting edge of Kuala Lumpur's Transport system. Good times...

Bombardier Transportation failed through systematic mismanagement. In Europe, they kickstarted into the market around 20 years ago by taking over Talbot, ADtranz & DWA with their promising high-quality product lines: - TALENT regio trains (Talbot) - TRAXX locomotives (ADtranz) - DoSto doubledeckers (DWA Görlitz) Initially, they made a killing by selling these good products. However, they massively failed at developing and producing good replacements, because they chose to subsidize their aircraft business by cutting important corners in development and production, reliably dooming their reputation. 1) DB IC2 (Traxx AC2 + Dosto 2010) used a proven reliable and successful formula to harvest an unbelievably bad product: - DoSto 2010 bodyshell failure (redesign cost multiple years) - DoSto wheel oscillations at higher speeds, unlike the previous generation (2003) with more sophisticated bogies - design failure of system architecture („train‘s brain in control car“ & unreliable software, still causing highly frequent breakdowns even years after introduction): almost all of the system engineering & coding was offshored and continues to fail to deliver what it should. You cannot even lead an occupied train with the locomotive if the cab car failed, because you cannot lock the doors properly anymore then => A product that was supposed to become a fast stop-gap solution by taking a reliable regional train’s locomotive & passenger cars with upgraded interior comfort for intercity trips ended up being massively delayed, performing worse than its own predecessor products and at a greater cost than more sophisticated vehicles capable of more than 100 mph. 2) Talent 2: several years worth of production had to be stabled because these products were not even approveable. The first few units (e.g. that from the Innotrans launch) even had to be scrapped and replaced because the bodyshells were that bad. Cabs are so badly insulated and heated that drivers must be provided with specially winterproof underwear. Talent 2 trains are also incompatible with each other unless they were built for exactly the same operation network. They also continue to be unreliable with frequent major software issues plaguing every single batch built. This is a truly horrendous product compared to a Stadler FLIRT. 3) SBB FV-DoSto: delayed by multiple years, over budget, and still unreliable after years of testing and bugfixing. Also: comfort goals were not met (SBB IC2000 is better). Do you begin to see a pattern here? This mismanagement deserves to be hated. It’s a shame about all the talented employees and their workmanship, all doomed by incompetent management.

There is actually few to no Siemens trains in my area of Germany. ICE may be Siemens, but all the regional trains are either bombardier twindexx or Alstom trains. But I like the Alstom trains a lot.

Those New York City subway cars they built which was the R179's (between 2016-2018) destroyed their company (I live in NY). Too bad though as they also built New York City subway cars R62A (from 1983-1986) and R142 (from 1999-2002).

Bombardier should definitely open source all of their designs

Wow I am so used to see Bombardier trains here in Berlin... actually the local transit Trains (subways and trams) are extremely reliable and had very few (or actually none I remember) problems, even in the beginning. Even if their regional Trains had many problems I will remember them as a great company!

The fact is that the problems with the Flexity Outlook streetcars were the TTC's fault. The Flexity design was not suitable for Toronto's tracks yet the TTC pretty much told Bombardier "make it work or you lose the contract, by the way you have a very tight deadline". So Bombardier had no choice but to shoehorn in joined axle trucks (due to the single point switches) and a power system that could function with the lower power supply from trolley poles (due to Toronto's outdated wire system). This also led to the screeching that has caused the problems on the 504A. And not to mention that Bombardiers suppliers cheaped out during the order, riveting parts instead of welding them.

The problem with Montreal based Bombardier being acquired by Alstom is that fewer trains will be built in Canada. A new Bombardier contract with Saudi Arabia, South Africa or Malaysia will result in trains being manufactured in France. The only trains that will be manufactured in Canada will be trains specifically made for Canada such as Toronto, Vancouver or Montreal Subway. Why? Because any import-export manufacturing company has to deal with local patriotism and obtain subsidies. There is no incentive whatsoever for Bombardier to manufacture trains ordered by Saudi Arabia in Canada. Alstom will make the decision where their trains are built and that means (with few exceptions) build them in France. If Bombardier had been taken over by Siemens their export orders would be filled in Germany.

I just can't get my head around: Why on earth the Canadian Government didn't do anything to save Bombardier Transportation (to a lesser extent Bombardier Aerospace)? They are not just manufacturer of Rolling Stocks, they are essentially a high value/ highly strategic company!! I can't seem to find any good reason/excuse for Canadian Government for not saving Bombardier? If a company of same scale & importance in my country would had been in any sort of trouble the Government would had done everything to save it at any cost. Honestly it's stupidity on part of Canadian Government for whatever the reason could be for them to not act. Btw an Indian here!🙏🏼 Loved the video & seriously gonna miss Bombardier!!

Just look at the Long Island Rail Road here in New York, Bombardier produced over 800 M7 cars for the LIRR then another something like 200 M7A more for MNRR. Sure the suspension is squeaky and make a lot of noise but its still a quality product... They will be missed

Maybe I'm just being nostalgic but some of my fondest memories as a child are of taking the Bombardier ART200 on the Kelana Jaya line in Kuala Lumpur with my dad. Sad to see them go

Bombardier will be missed.

The next Canadian Rapid Transit rail vehicle...A New Flyer bus body mated to refurbished, decommissioned flatbed freight train cars and equipped with TM4 electric traction motors.

Great video. Your presentation skills are excellent. Did you use a teleprompter to deliver this information or from memory?

*sad T1 noises*

Just before the aquisition deal was announced, Bombardier Aventra trains started operation on London Overground. On paper, it was the best suburban/regional EMUs in the world at that time (Siemens Mireo are not in full commercial operation yet) and still is among the best. I have taken that train and I like it. It's so sad to see the loss.

I think most of the hate for Bombardier is actually hate for the government. Because there was this close relationship between the federal government and bombardier for so long, all the people who hate the federal government, for whatever reasons, tend to hate Bombardier by reflex, without knowing anything about the company.

The biggest disappointment for me was that they essentially gave away their C-Series program to Airbus.

The localised solutions of Bombardier are particularly noteworthy. In Melbourne Australia they created a three large intersecting of trams called the E class (of note the last of the E2 being delivered just before the merger), the best trams of the last decade in melbourne, and the vlcoity train, a regional three cab train produced nowhere else, were the key to the Vic govt 'Regional Rail Revival' continuing connection of regional cities to Melbourne, even if the seats where not that comfortable or the interiors where basic.

It was a source of Canadian pride for sure, sad how the company was so mis-managed that they had to do this. A good lesson for business schools in the future.

Amtraks new rolling stock for the NEC is made by Alstom, And yes today's standard shouldn't be applied to the past.

A couple of years after the merger with Alstom, Bombardier solutions are now standard in the Alstom product line. For example, Mitrac propulsion/auxiliary power and the Flexx bogies have replaced Alstom legacy products. Flexity LRV and Movia HRV products have also been kept to have a comprehensive vehicle lineup. Although orders in San Francisco and NY (R179) had early issues, those have been corrected and the fleets are running well now. In fact, I have ridden on a R179 and Toronto Rocket train before. Both ride very well, especially on bad track. Each project will have its issues and Bombardier did have its own issues in some cases. However, they did produce some very good rolling stock over the years. I view them as a respected company in rail transit for what they did. I'm also glad Alstom has kept and integrated many of Bombardier's solutions into their own lines where it made sense to do so.

Great video! Your channel has come a long way

Another tragic loss for Canada's high-tech sector, like Nortel before it. Sometimes it makes me wonder how bright Canada's future is for innovation when we keep getting downtrodden and shortchanged by bigger juggernauts in the US, Germany, China, etc.

I thought you were a little more excited about the Alstom sale when it was first announced.. We'll see how much longer the legacy factory back in Thunder Bay stays around under the new model. It's difficult in a remote region where that one employer counts a significant part of the good paying trades positions - despite things coming a little late sometimes haha I always found it funny that the city without passenger rail in any capacity makes passenger rail for the rest of the continent - and I really hope it stays that way for years to come!

The Bombardier BiLevel (Mk VI and Mk II) coaches on Caltrain (also used by GO Transit and the West Coast Express) completely revitalized the service compared to the old clunky Nippon Sharyo Gallery coaches. The new Stadler KISS cars look to be really good too (with electrification), but it's sad that we're losing Bombardier.

Hey!!!BOMBARDIER manufactured ATP to Rio de Janeiro !!!!

I work at bombardier/ Alstom been there over 20 yrs in Thunder Bay. I am a painter and pretty much painted or have touched up almost every car built in last 20 yrs. Great company to have worked for no idea what alstom is all about to new. The best part about building the cars here in Ontario. We have had to do a lot of rework and repairs so much easier when we are next door. I sure hope to be able to keep painting these cars. Until I retire they are a nice car the bilevels and the lrv and yes subway cars are plain but they are under ground

Coming from one who lives in Philadelphia, I went to Florida. The monorail cars, along with the R62As in New York City are cooler than "few" cars made today.

My favourite tram type here in Bremen, Germany is from Bombardier (GT8N-1). They run with rock solid reliability. But the newest trams here are Siemens Avenio / GT8N-2, which are quite nice too. Also, the (from my experience) most reliable regional train provider in the area uses Bombardier double-decker trains, which I appreciate even more since I watched that metra video!😆

Bombardier with Alstom helped to create the HHP-8 locomotives and the Acela Express high speed trainset, for the Northeastern United States.

Bombardier is currently building the second order of electrified trains for Adelaide to enter service late this year on the soon-to-be electrified Gawler Line. Functional, reliable, well lit, and a pleasant ride. Will be unfortunate if we don’t get any more if/when more electrification happens.

In Indonesia in August & Sept 2023 people enjoy BOMBARDIER LEGACY as - LRT JABODEBEK (BOMBARDIER - INKA) - KCIC CR 400 AF (BOMBARDIER - SIFANG ) KCIC = Indonesia first bulletrain serving Jkt - Bandung Although they are now belong to Alstohm but for me Bombardier is still Bombardier

Our AM class CAF trains have slow doors and long dwell times, but they are still really nice, comfy trains.

Bombardier did such a great job with the trains

Bombardier is another Connaught Labs. The other problem with rail stock, in general, is that transit expansion is usually the first thing to be cut when money starts running short. Given the long leads times to create a production line for a product and issues regarding each transit system being a fairly custom product it's not a surprise that maintaining an ongoing business in the industry requires extreme about of concentration. This results in one or two large global players feeding hundreds of parts manufacturers. Transportation manufacturing for rail will end up looking like the airline industry. But the airline industry has access to defence production that transit-based rail does not and that's the problem. There is no secondary industry to cover when the primary industry quiets down.

You DO hear a lot of comments in Ottawa saying we should never buy Alstom again.

At least in Germany, Bombardier has gained a reputation of turning railway technology into cost-optimized off-the-shelf products. They mostly competed on price, gradually using up the technological advantages and institutional knowledge their predecessors had. In the urban/light rail market several operators bought Bombardier in the 90s/00s and that experience led them to preferring to refurbish units built in the 70s/80s over buying more Bombardier

some EMU’s here are powered by Bombardier motors, the most recent being the “LRV”s for the Palembang “LRT” Line and the Jakarta Airport train, both assembled by INKA, good trains if you don’t subject them to Japan-style crushloads, this happened to past joint ventures with them and BN Holec

Very interesting video, I've worked at bombardier since I was 18 now 10 years later we are Alstom still producing the bombardier designed lrv and bilievel today but who knows what Alstom plan is

2060 MTA: Ladies and Gentlemen this is the last Bombardier train R179 were built in 2016

Every single talent order 2 and 3 was or will be late Many german trains are bombardier

What do you think is the future of the TTC Flexity streetcars? I would assume that TTC would prefer that when they order more cars, they are the same model as the existing ones so that they don't have to set up another maintenance operation with different tool, etc. Will Alstom offer their own Citadis models to TTC, or will Alstom agree to bring out the old Bombardier blueprints and build those trains exclusively for TTC.

On Long Island, NYC and as far north as Poughkeepsie, NY, Bombardier M7 & M7a trains roam around making up the backbone of the Long Island Railroad and Metro-North Railroad. They were supposed to build the M8s but they lost out that contract to Kawasaki. I'm sad to see Bombardier go, but I think I'm also glad that Alstom bought them out as well, as they also make good trains. Who knows? Maybe they'll make a Canadian version of the Avelia Liberty trainsets dei Canada, of Canada is extremely interested in High Speed Rail.

Sad to see Bombardier gone as of 2022. That made the R62a from 1985-87 R110b from 1992-93 R142 from 1999-2004 R179 from 2016-18 Mta metro North and lirr M7 from 2000 to 2005. Shoreline iv from the 90s

As a Londoner, id say the Bombardier trains we have had for the Underground are the best in the fleet in general. Extending that, the Class 357 are among the best in the country for their time and even today (and also Bombardier), though that reflects my specific location in London Their trains always manage to look great whilst also fitting the needs perfectly - look at the London Overground for example. Alot of the new manufacturers TFL is looking at are horrible in relation

What you said is not sooo right. There is not so much Siemens stock in Germany. Except form the ICE trains. Only a few regional operators use Siemens stock. But Deutsche Bahn has a lot of Bombardier stock like the IC2 doubble deck regional cars and a lot more. Also Stadler is very famous this days.

I don't understand why people complain so much about train builders. It's expected that there will be issues it happens with every company, trains are big things with lots of moving parts you cant hope for it to not have issues. almost all trains have issues, all that matters are how the companies who produced the trains handle the issues

We in the Big Apple are sad for the demise of Bombardier. 😭 Two generations of subway cars came from Bombardier in the 1980s and the 2000s, and were built in Quebec & Upstate New York.

I lived in Calgary for 10 years and people there hated Bombardier, because it appeared as if they were always getting bailouts from the federal government. People in Alberta thought that they were subsidizing the company with their taxes. Most people in Alberta don't know how transfer payments work. They'll be happy that Bombardier no longer makes trains. This coming from people who tripped over a resource and decided to make it the centre of their economy.

People who think Bombardier weren't great clearly haven't heard of AnsaldoBreda. What a rabbit hole to dive into! Trains being so badly made that even the wiring was inconsistent set to set, being late with orders, parts just falling off trains, one train set ordered for iirc Denmark winding up in Libya as a present to Gaddafi (seriously, that happened. You can still see the train on google maps today, its still there), and trams being so heavy they destroyed the roads they ran on as they ran on them. I could go on... ...so I will! There were trains so late and badly built that they were forced to have them refunded, or in other cases, have them sent in an unfinished state to the customer who would build them themselves. One train had a major inspection where 10 points would be considered serious and would remove the train from service and investigations be conducted if necessary, along with major repairs. One set scored something like 2,000 points. When Hitachi bought the company a few years ago, it was such a shitshow that they basically fired everyone, and rebuilt the company from scratch. From what I heard, Hitachi Rail Italy seems to be making decent products, on time and on budget. I'm honestly amazed and somewhat disappointed that nobody on RU-vid has covered this in detail. It's mind blowing how insane this all is. I'm barely scratching the surface here, believe me.

Well Bombardier acquired national "pride" BN (La Brugeoise et Nivelles) of Belgium... one of the reasons they bought a lot of Bombardier rolling stock, to keep the production site in Bruges open

Half of the TER fleet in France is Bombardier ... so if it was bad equipment, we wouldn't have as many ...;) the Z50000 (Francilien) in the Paris region are also 100% Bombardier, and despite youthful defects, they have been driving perfectly for a few years .... the UK is a major user of the Bombardier family for urban or interurban network. I have also seen Bombardier in Shanghai, in the metro, alongside his biggest rivals and at the same time his brothers, Alstom and Siemens.

Although Bombardier was really good, in its final years it was doing somewhat poorly especially with the R179s having door issues and decoupling mid-travel and having screwed up brakes. But the S7/8 and before are really good. The R62As, the M7s, the JFK Airtrain, and the Multilevels are all great fleet and reliable. -Though some had a few issues, in the beginning, all was well afterward.-

interestingly here in Czechia we had a bombardier factory but not too many bombardier trains

Favorite Bombardier trains of all time, the Walt Disney World Mark VI monorails.

I feel your pain dude; feel like I’ve been let down by my country too. Seems Bombardier got murdered by management. They had a lot at their disposal but mismanaged it. On the other side of the border in the US where I am it feels like corporations such as Boeing are also in the process of letting us down by bad management. Then there’s all the failed/fallen (or failing in the case of EMD) train manufacturers.

Precisely talking , i had my own feelings for Bombardier, riding Bombardier metros in Delhi and was highly exited to see Bombardier rakes for Mumbai metro line 4. Sad to see but embracing for the future is better. Lets hope for the best

NJ Transit is supposed to get multilevel train sets from bombardier, I wonder what’s gonna happen now. They weren’t supposed to be delivered until next year.

Personally this is sad news, as 80% of the trains I've ever sat in were Bombardier rolling stock and I never had any issues with them.

I think the myriad of issues with the new Toronto Streetcars and R179s in New York put in the minds of Bombardier being a "bad" company. The 179s just like the new Toronto street cars have their issues and is working quite fine for New York City. As a train operator I operate them every day and they're very good cars this just a lot of the issues I don't like about them. It's sad that we lose Bombardier into Alsthom but I hope the remaining companies like Kawasaki ,Nippon Sharo and Alsthom can make quality rolling stock for all North American Transit systems. RIP Bombardier!!

This is akin to the Australian Federal Government allowing Holden, Australias last remaining car manufacturer to close down after it declined to continue subsidies which are just a fraction of which it eagerly gives to the fossil fuel industry despite the fossil fuel industry employing a fraction of the number of people, & Australia getting negative benefit from its huge gas exporting industry. With Australia having to IMPORT gas from overseas despite being the largest Natural Gas exporter in the world. With the corrupt crony capitalists in government opting to give the gas away for virtually free, so the gas companies (& major political donors) can pocket the maximum profit. (& the crony capitalists & gas industry insiders & lobbyists in government receive massive kickbacks & boosted share profits, or future consultancies).. Back to allowing Holden to close.. All despite the fact that Holden was a major technology developer for much of the General Motors rolling stock globally & that it facilitated around 300,000 direct & indirect jobs, now mostly decimated. Which would have allowed to massively speed up the manufacture of EVs using the existing facilities & skill set. From which Federal Politicians have consistently refused to subsidise plans by major international companies to build EVs using the existing holden plant. I think alot of it also comes to Neoliberal ideology destroying the manufacturing sector to further weaken Unions. As for Bombardier, what an absolute shame. The Bombardier E Class Trams in Melbourne are by far the best on the network. The Alstom models have had a tonne of problems & rattle alot more than the E Class ones do. The E Class not only look much better, & are more solid, but due to the insistence of the Victorian Labour Government, were manufactured in an agreement with Bombardier & the Victorian Government, in Victoria by Victorians. While the Metro Trains, since the Daniel Andrews government have been as well, it remains to be seen what will happen of the Tram procurement moving forward, & what will happen with the ongoing order of E Class Trams. Whether it will be continued as is by Alstom, in Victoria. Or whether production will be moved to India. All of this is just another example of why manufacturing in the Anglo world, & all the jobs with it, has been destroyed next to Europe & obviously China. Our greedy & short term return obsessed politicians refuse to subsidise industry that doesn't benefit their own portfolios directly. With such ideology, China deserves to take over the West because they actually subsidise industry, as obviously also does Germany & Sweden, whereas the Anglo American-centric world squanders it, & all the jobs it creates, in pursuit of short term profits that only benefit very few people. All of which is relevant to Infrastructure funding as well, & why Australia, despite having had the largest mining boom in the history of the world, & a huge gas boom currently, doesn't have even one rail line that can go over 200kph, let alone a high speed one. And why America, the richest country in the world with the biggest economy in the world continuously for 70 years still doesn't even have one proper High Speed Rail line. Short term profit motive over wider societal gain. Same reason Bombardier, like Holden, was allowed to die.. The opposite of the motive behind China's High Speed Rail network, & that across Europe..

Bbd’s MLVW and Iltis where two excellent vehicles from the 1980’s. They were not perfect (the ML’s heaters seldom worked...) They demonstrated what the company as a whole was capable of producing when they put their engineering minds to work. The LRC came from the same era, and their coaches are still going to this day

Have a closer look in history; quite ALL Rail-Related manufacturers closed after attaining a certain size: Adtranz , Siemens(tram) , Schindler , ALCO , ... Alsthom is already in difficulties without the problems brought in with Bombardier ! This creates also a almost monopoly in the French market...not good ! In addition to this, delivery delays are also a very big issue, delays of over ONE (1) year are really problematic too. Admission to service gives even more headaches...!!! If you need great Rolling Stock buy Stadler

Well I live in NYC and you should know the issue the r179’s sell and they were terrible for service. This isn’t the first time it happened in the nyc subway

Bombardier in uk really screwed up in their last years (710 delayed 1 year, 701 delayed about a lifetime, 720 c2c by a bit, 730 by 2 years and counting) but before the 7xx type their was the 3xx type and that was amazing and reliable as well as the 17x type, but that was took form adtranz

Bombardier is actually killing it in India with all the new orders worth billions. They have the first-mover advantage in India.

One of the reasons Bombardier was so aggressivley taken over and chopped to many different pieces is because European manufacturers have lost a lot of ground in several countries and it was perfect for Alstom to gain some huge ground to destroy the invader in the form of Bombardier as it was a lot weaker than Stadler for example. Plus it did also allow for Airbus to fill in to the niche market in aviation. So it is not as much of a weak management for Bombardier but instead their product being very good and popular in Europe. Plus zero protection from the Canadian public and government, perfect way to destroy the competitor. Also, Alstom has recently lost a lot of contracts that they need to claw back somehow. Easiest way to do that is to take over the company they have lost out on and gain more knowledge, contracts and much more. There were two big manufacturers competeing to take over Bombardier, Alstom with French government and EU support behind them got the deal done by outbidding. And that is just a business side of things. There is also a very prominent political reason as France is aspiring to become the most influencial and powerful country in Europe. Having French companies in Canada is important for French interests overall. This allows Paris to keep Quebec under their control and have a huge influence in Canadian politics as Quebec is French and part of Canada. Especially as Alstom basically is not a private company but French company with huge political interests.

Is there a link to the video that Bombardier has released?

I'm worried about Bombardier's future too between the BART cars and the need for SkyTrain Mk IVs!

I ride Bombardier's Bart trains and they're smooth and fast. Great company. sad to see go.

Bombardier couldn’t be saved, their management is what ultimately destroyed them. Sourced too many crappy parts in hopes of cost savings, and ended up more problematic. The province threw more money at them by buying additional 36 rail cars, and Bombardier still cut 200+ jobs. Execs ended up pocketing the money. The final nail in the coffin was needed

R179s 'nuff said tbh it's a sad loss tho

And to add if new orders go to Siemens who also make fantastic vehicles they will probably be manufactured in Sacramento rather than in Canada given Siemens have spent a lot of money on that plant to win rolling stock orders for the USA that have to be made in the US by law

10:52 Bombardier still has a portfolio of unique products or successful models that Alstom should keep. Innovia, for example (Alstom's Axonis series never really took off and doesn't offer a LIM option). North American bilevel and multilevel commuter cars. The Zefiro high speed model that would let them compete with Siemens around the world. Alstom never did custom streetcars; maybe they can evolve the Flexity branding? And they now hold all the assets Bombardier acquired. But you're right in that there's also overlaps in their portfolios. A bunch of that is in standard European models, as well as metro (subway) cars, and even locomotives.

The R-179s have become a curse word amongst the NYC subway fans which is unfortunate because I’ve come to like the Hissing sound they make but on the flip side some of the older stock got a few more weeks in the sun which made 2020 suck a bit less. I do appreciate Reece’s willingness to stick his neck out and defending his opinion on why we should mourn Bombardier. I think for us locally because the R-179’s replaced the last of the classic rolling stock with the Rail-Fan Window and have it be replaced with an inferior product is also worth noting. However, other Bombardier products have done their jobs well and will continue to do so.