Why You Should Destroy the Dawnguard! | Hardest Decisions in Skyrim | Elder Scrolls Lore 

“reads title” That sounds a lot like something a vampire would say.

Heard they're reforming the dawnguard!vampire hunters or something. In the old fort near Riften. Might consider joining up myself

I'm the dragon born though, so power is irrelevant... I could join the clan of Tiddlywinks & Dogshit, and that would now be the most powerful clan in the world because I'm in it...

"You can be a Vampire lord, the most menacing and powerful thing in skyrim" *mace of molag bal* "Hold my beer"

Understand what? That without the sun all the plants are gonna die,which is gonna kill all the animals,which is gonna kill all the people,which is gonna eventually kill all the vampires.

Nobody about to comment on the fact the background footage is him using fire against ash spawns

"My Thane, what are you saying?" *"I REJECT MY HUMANITY, LYDIA!"*

You’re point is invalidated by the fact that if you join the dawngaurd you get a husky companion

“I did my research” is literally using fire against an ash spawn

Why should you join the Dawnguard three words people, Enhanced Dwarven Crossbow.

As Dragonborn I could rip Harkon apart by saying hello to him

Personally, I prefer the Dawnguard for two reasons. A: *CROSSBOWS.* I LIKE CROSSBOWS. B: I hate everyone in Volkhair and find it incredibly cathartic to slaughter them all one by one.

Who do you always make me want to replay my entire game?

_This video was brought to you by the vampire gang_

I find it interesting how he didn't mention how you can side with the dawnguard, get all the supieror side quest loot and then have serana transform you after and thus get the best of both worlds.

”Why you should destroy the Dawnguard!” That sounds like some filthy vampire propaganda to me... *Unsheathes sword*

"you can only be a vampire by joining the vampires" so that's why I'm a vampire lord while being part of the dawn guard... So much for that research.

I choose the Dawnguard almost every time because honestly I lose nothing joining them, while I lose quite a bit joining the vampires. I lose the Huskies and the enhanced Dwarven Crossbow with elemental bolts by joining the vampires. However you can become a vampire after you have done the Dawnguard quests just have to ask Serana to turn you into one. Can even use the bow to black out the sun as well. I like to role play as the Dawnguard version of Alucard from Hellsing. A vampire that hunts other vampires with the human vampire hunters, and looks badass while doing it.

Common let's be realistic We only sided with the vampires cuz of serana

Hello what's going on in here- BY THE NINE! Lydia, get the crossbow.

I love to make Harkon triggered by saying that they are a reclusive cannibal cult 😂

Sun.exe has stopped working, please report to Magnus immediately.

Deeply considers becoming a vampire.. Then remembers Huskies

Through my experience (practically speaking) Dawnguard is good for the archer or melee build Vampire is good for mage build

So, the Dawnguard side had a few rowdy members that had a reputation for brawling and raided a few villages for loot, and the Volkihar extend their unnatural life by preying on innocent people, draining their precious life force, enslaving them for manual labor or to just be a snack, they perform foul necromantic rituals and perpetuate the worship of one of the most full Daedra known in Tamriel. Meh, sounds about even.

I always feel bad destroying the dawnguard because of the puppies

I honestly have a few problems with this video. In the beginning, you claim to have done a lot of research on both Volkihar and the Dawnguard, yet many of your points do not hold up, are biased, or are just plain incorrect. 2:52 - 3:02 Timestamp highlights incorrect information: Isran, a former Vigilant of Stendarr, has been revitalizing Fort Dawnguard in order to combat the growing vampire threat. He never lived there previously. The people he intends to gather are not the original Dawnguard. They are simply anyone who wishes to join the cause as well as some old associates of his. These associates are a scholar/blacksmith, a troll tamer, and an "eccentric" Priest of Arkay. 4:44 - 4:59 Timestamp highlights an absurd claim with little support: The ignorance and misdeeds of some Nords do not justify the terrorizing of other innocent parties, Nord or otherwise, residing in Skyrim. Not to mention the fact that the Volkihar Vampires don't intend to stop at just Skyrim. Harkon and his followers wish to conquer as much as they can. 5:02 - 5:11 Timestamp highlights a supporting point based on false information: Once again, the original Dawnguard is not involved. The new Dawnguard cannot be judged to be weak-willed because of the rumored actions of completely different individuals. 5:10 - 5:17 There is, in fact, a group of Vampires who wish to be cured that you come across, and are likely to kill, in the quest "A Daedra's Best Friend." 5:29 - 5:32 The history you refer to is both based on rumors and not applicable to the new members of the Dawnguard, as they are, again, different people. 5:32 - 5:40 Isran is the only one that has a problem with the Vigilants of Stendarr. He used to be one of them, recognized the Vampire threat and suggested they take useful precautions and set up a base at the huge isolated Fort Dawnguard that had the potential to be almost impenetrable. They disregarded not only his idea to claim Fort Dawnguard, as they didn't believe it was worth the effort in restoring it, but also his claim that the Vampires were a serious threat. They not only chose to stay in a small, wooden house that could easily be attacked, surrounded, and burned to the ground, but they seriously underestimated their opponent. 5:40 - 5:48 While it is absurd to rely on one individual member to bare the responsibility of a slew of different tasks that can be assigned to other members, the same can be said for how the Volkihar Vampires rely heavily on the player as well. In fact, this is the case for every faction the player can join in the game. (The problem here is Bethesda's design.) There is, however, the fact that other members are busy fortifying the Fort's defenses, training/screening new recruits, crafting arms for the whole of the Dawnguard, training Armored Trolls to follow orders and combat Vampires properly, gathering intel on other Vampire locations (or Dwemer schematic locations), or simply guarding the Fort itself from Vampires that frequently attack. 5:48 - 5:53 The reason you see the Vigilants wandering around Skyrim is probably due to the fact that they let their base be destroyed due to their own ignorance, arrogance, and incompetence. 6:35 - 6:43 Your explanation of this task is clearly dressed up to sound more appealing, even though you're given the same task to find the Bow, Crusty Daughter and all, by the Dawnguard. albeit with the purpose of using it against the Vampires instead of corrupting it for them. 7:15 - 7:35 Harkon also thought that the "kill and conquer everything" plan was a good idea. You're given a clear explanation of why it is not by Valerica, Harkon's estranged wife: Dragonborn: "Why haven't you pursued the prophecy?" Valerica: "Harkon's vision is a world plunged in eternal darkness where the vampire can flourish and never again fear the "tyranny of the sun." What he fails to realize is how much attention would be called to our kind if the prophecy came to fruition." Dragonborn: "What sort of attention?" Valerica: "If eternal night fell, there are many who wouldn't stand for it. They would raise armies in attempts to return things to normal. The order of the day would be our destruction until every last vampire was hunted down and eliminated." Dragonborn: "So you prefer living in the shadows." Valerica: "I do. It's how the vampire has survived for millennia, and the only way we can continue to survive in the future." (Taken from the Elder Scrolls Wiki) 7:48 - 8:42 If you join the Dawnguard, at a certain point in the questline, you can have Serana turn you into a Vampire, Vampire Lord form and everything (minus the Bloodstone Chalice buff, which is locked to the Volkihar side). 8:56 - 8:59 What supports your claim that they're wise due to their age? Harkon was old, but he was shown to be very unwise. 8:59 - 9:12 You seem to be making the assumption that Serana wouldn't have tried to stop her father without the presence of the Dragonborn. Serana was already very motivated to defy her father, and it is possible that she could've succeeded in stopping him without the Dragonborn's help. Any other member of the Dawnguard could've followed her to gain more intel and eventually commit a small team to search for the Elder Scrolls and perform the Knight Paladin of Auriel Pilgrimage. The fight with Durnehviir and the fight with Arch-Curate Vyrthur are arguable, admittedly. 9:34 - 11:03 1. Vampire Lord can be gained on the side of Dawnguard as mentioned above. 2. Serana is waifu regardless of which side you choose. 3. Castle Volkihar vs. Fort Dawnguard is a matter of opinion, not to mention the layout and ease of maneuverability is irrelevant to whether or not you want to be associated with Vampires that prey on the common folk or Vampire Hunters that protect the common folk. 4. Your argument is only applicable to those that wish to play evil characters. (You also forgot to mention the cool offensive Restoration Spells that you can learn if you side with the Dawnguard. For a Character Build, they mix nicely with Auriel's Bow, Sunhallowed Arrows, and Dawnbreaker(s) to become the Champion of Light/Meridia, dedicated to ridding the world of dastardly dangerous undead!) 5. I have seen testimonials on the Wiki that imply there are those that enjoy the Armored Trolls. Overall, my main problem is that you're framing this as a well-researched, objective guide for decision-making and titled the video "Elder Scrolls Lore" when, in reality, it's filled with misinformation, completely biased, and should be titled "Why I love siding with the Vampires." However, I'm not that familiar with your content, so for all I know, that could be your schtick. Either way, I do wish you well. I just hope you actually do enough research next time and make it clear whether you intend your statements to be taken as opinions or facts. Honestly, with my first character, who I played with the express purpose of simply seeing as much content of the game as I could, morals be damned, I sided with the Volkihar, and it is a reasonable decision to do so if it aligns with your character's morality. When playing a morally good character, it's more fitting to side with the Dawnguard. When gaining power, one must consider the kind of power their character should gain. I'm also aware that this video was uploaded quite a long time ago, but this comment (which took me a few hours), could still be useful for informing someone who comes across this video later, as I recently did. On a side note, I wasn't aware of the Crossbow enhancements or the elemental bolts until this video and those in the comments mentioned it. So thanks for that! I know what I'm doing soon!

Even if you aren't roleplaying a bad guy you can still join the Volkihar faction under the pretext of wanting to prevent them from being dragged into extinction by Harkon's deluded goals

But dawngard has doggies...

New solution. Become Champion of Hircine and devour both the Dawnguard AND the damn vampires. Because they're both bloody arseholes, and Sheogorath told me to. You wouldn't want me to disappoint Uncle Sheo would you? He gave me a staff after all, and cheese! >.> And I want the bow that shoots shiny beams of death when I fire it at the sun. Combine it with the Storm Call shout sometime, it's hilarious!

You can become a Vampire Lord via Serana even after completing the questline on the side of the Dawnguard, if I'm not mistaken.

I tried joining the Dawngaurd, but being evil is so much fun 😂😂

"You've been living under a rock near riverwood" Nope I'm in that hollow tree...I couldn't afford the rock

WHAT.ARE.WE.DOING.NEXT.TELL.ME.IN.THE.COMMENTS.SECTION.FOR.SCIENCE.AND.M'AIQ!

Point of order: once you complete the questline and if Serana hasn't cured herself, you can ask her to turn you into a vampire if you sided with the Dawnguard.

New drinking game: every time he says “volkeeehar”, take a shot.

This video seems more like "why I love vampires " than "why the dawnguard need to be destroyed "

"I *curse* you vampire, AWAY!" -Every NPC in Morrowind

Who wouldn’t want to be a campfire though! (I meant vampire, but autocorrect won this time)

Another pro for becoming a vampire: the necromage perk in the restoration skill tree gives you a 25% boost to your magical abilities, including enchanting.

Counterpoint, you can become a vampire lord after the questline even when allied with the Dawnguard. More importantly, crossbow. Dwarven crossbow. Exploding bolts.

*_M'aiq will remember this_*

First, I hate the constant debuff from the vampire lord. Second, I really like the crossbow with the explosions. Third, you CAN be a vimpire lord from EITHER questline! Just ask Serana! You get to keep her too! I have done the vampires and am in the middle of the Dawnguard. The Dawnguard has been WAY more enjoyable and seems to have more content than the vampires. I'll/give you that lorewise, the vampires stick with their side better, but gameplay-wise, I see no reason to ever join the vampires. And if you really want to join the vampires, but you also want that nice and shiny crossbow, Harkon gives you 2 chances. Say no the first time, finish the side quests for it, then say yes to Harkon the second time.

Just so you know, it’s 2020 I just came across your channel and here I am bondage watching videos from 2018 Why isn’t this channel bigger

I'd like to refute what you said in the Dawnguard section of this video, you took rumors about what the Old Dawnguard did 500+ years ago and used that as if it were a valid point. Real life example; What bad things did the Italians do 500+ years ago? Well since they did those bad things centuries ago therefore they are still bad. I call BS. And the part about the Dawnguard sending one single person (The Player) on every single quest, well thats a gameplay element to give the player more stuff to do in the DLC, its not a canon piece of lore, it simply adds to entertainment. Thanks for reading my thoughts on the matter.

This guy sounds like what i imagine a half kahjit and half brit sounds like 😂

In my last playthrough i helped the dawnguard destroy the vampires. In my next playthrough I'm gonna go total beast mode on both. (Good prey for the ultimate predator) Werewolves don't showoff their power we just hunt (Unlike vampires)

I joined the vampires because they seemed more interested than the dawnguard and the vampire lord form is extremely powerful and I love it

"one of the most powerful beings skyrim has ever seen" playing skyrim as either vampire lord or werewolf at higher levels on legendary is actually impossible because every little sucker onehits you and you deal no damage, both of the transformations are absolute garbage but at least werewolves dont look like someone punched the crap out of them while they *were* infant *wolves*

One thing I want to correct: yes, just like there are patrolling vigilants you can find dawnguard patrols. They do roam skyrim and not "let you do all the dirty work"

Fun fact some of the missions you can do in Harkins Court involves you slaying lesser vampires because they open the eyes to the threat of vampires as well as their competition for feeding

Harkon's arrogance is enough reason for me to side with the Dawnguard. The sun sucks. You get a huskie, a troll, and cool new spells. Isran is badass and youre still the most powerful entity on Tamriel.

Wait how does what the original Dawnguard did have any effect on the current day Dawnguard? They hadn't existed for 500 years. This is a completely new Dawnguard, hence why every second guard says "heard they're reforming the dawnguard" It's been reformed, it's not a continuation. I really want to go against the Dawnguard. But I love my Enhanced Dwarven Crossbow too much, If there was a way of getting it with joining the Vampires I would, but there isn't without mods and I don't want to cheat. As it stands I have never done the Vampire side before and I want to, but I can't because of my need for that damned Crossbow. Also. You can become a Vampire lord any time with Serana on the Dawnguard side, the quest is the same length as far as I am aware, Serana takes your side no matter what side you are on. You can do whatever you want in both castles once you are done, and you get weapons on the Dawnguards side. If anything the Dawnguard has more content. A major issue with this video is that you don't realise you can become a Vampire Lord on the Dawnguard side. I have a feeling you haven't played the Dawnguard side at all.

I love playing the vampires, however I feel like the entire dawnguard questline was intended to play as the dawnguard. The vampires didnt feel... finished? You could do some evil stuff, but in the end, even if youre the evil vampire, you need to destroy Harkon to 'stop' him to darken the sun only to do it yourself? The fuck is that? No grab for power, youre purely stopping Harkon because you do good with Serana. And then yano... fuck it? Thats why I almost always go Dawnguard, because if I choose the vampires I wanna be evil. And I cant be fucking evil! Whats the point then?! The vampire side is awesome in almost every way. The asthetics, the npc's, the general vibe of the faction... but then the story. Its made for the dawnguard side. You're not the evil guy with the vampires, in the end, you're the good guy. And then... yeah... storywise you're good, but then you'll fuck up the sun anyway. It feels wrong xd

"so.. why did you join the vampires?" "harkon sexy daddy uwu"

I'm loving this video, so thanks a dozen. I'm glad I ran across this because I found out taking out the entirety of the Dawnguard was possible from doing side quests.

You should've named the video 'Why I chose to destroy the Dawnguard' because you were very subjective in this video. To me it looked like you were trying to make people chose the vampire side just because you like it more. You left out some good things about the dawnguard, and some bad things about the vampires. For example, ARMORED TROLLS!! Who wouldn't want a pet troll? You can have them if you side with Isran. Other good things you can get by joining the dawnguard are better crossbows and explosive bolts. Don't forget some other cool weapons and armour, and the huskies. A bad thing about the vampire lord, or just playing a normal vampire is that you don't regenerate stamina in the sun, which is pretty shitty if you play a warrior build. In my opinion, the vampire lord power is good if you play a mage, and bad if you play a warrior, but of course, everyone is free to choose. Most of us watching you already know all about it, but for those who don't, it's important for them to have all the Informations before choosing. It was cool watching the video to find out your opinion about this, but I've already played both sides and I won't be influenced by you. The argument about the dawnguard's history is pretty bad. Thier history doesn't matter, a child must not be held responsible for the parent's mistake. I don't see the dawnguard raiding any village now. They starter from scratch and they should only be judged by their actions, not their ancestors' actions. Comparing the two PRESENT factions, we already know which side is worse (moraly speaking). The quality of the video is great, and your voice and your lines are funny as always. Keep it up.

Ahem... cant you also become vampire lord by getting a bite from Serana? It's part of the dawnhuard quest when you go to rescue her mother... it's been a long time since I've done the quest but I clearly remember siding with dawn guard but still being a vampire lord.

Join Volkihars and replace Harkon as Lord of the Court since most of it's members either don't agree with him or wants him dead. After you become a Lord you can impose a rule not to touch human settlements and just work off the radar, they can just wipe bandit camps or thrall them so they can have unlimited food supplies, also it is wise to spare Dawngaurd so you can enthrall their leaders and use them to hunt down vampires or vampire clans that doesnt want to join you.

Ever since I bought Skyrim for my switch earlier this year I have watched ten of these videos. And every video I've seen so far has had a hilarious intro including this one. I'm subscribing

0:09 that is me! Also, should you help the Reiklings or nords at that tavern in Dawnguard. Can’t remember the name but you probably know what I am talking about.

I think my plan this time around will be to go through on the Dawnguard side & still have the option to be turned near the end by Serana. If I am able, I will try to keep the hellhounds alive with taming spells, so I can have them after killing the rest of the vamps at the castle. But, I doubt it will work.

*Reads title* Me: Let me guess, someone stole your sweet roll

Omfg. Excellent presentation and the comedy is awesome.

I have not watched this yet, But.... There is Literally NO reason to side with the Vampires. Unless you are Evil and Enjoy the suffering of the living.

Damn vampires

Dawnguard: Why are you doing this!? me: *Medic voice* I HAVE NO IDEA!

Alduin saved you from being executed You should have just vibed with the dragons and helped destroy the world

_i..i always join the dawnguard_

Any adaptation of vampires? Really, ANY ADAPTATION? So you love the sparkle glitter boys of Twilight? You disgrace

And might I add that you can actually do things to counteract the loss of magika, stamina, and health regen. Like, oh I don't know, enchanting armor and weapons. You can even partially get rid of fire weakness that same way.

i love your videos and they got me back into skyrim

I feel like a bit of raiding history of yhe dawnguard is nothing compared to vampires mass murdering tbh its pretty uncomparible idk about you matey

I like to think of it this way. You kill harkon and then become the leader of the vampires. Then instead of just killing innocents you kill bandits and others like that. You let the vampires do whatever they want to them. Then normal people and jarls and such leave you alone cause your are actually helping them while also getting all the blood you want.

the reason why I joined volkihar (on my second playthrough) was because I had proud spire manor but I wanted a even bigger house, so I decided on the castle, simple

A bit random but serena with full nightingale armour except hood looks fabulous.

I am just gonna destroy the volkahir clan to kill the competition , temporarily cure vampirism , master illusion , and then use it to manipulate dawnguard to my will. What's that? Isran is too strong for calm spells? Too bad , i have bend will. Perfect plan. This way i own castle volkihar without having people constantly annoying me. Having valerica around isn't bad.

Damn sir, wish you had more subs! You're ridiculously entertaining. Bless up

I always become a vampire, ( especially with Live Another life, i love that mod) and side with Harkon because of a theory I've got. if you go up to Garen when taking Serana back home, he acts like he was expecting you and tells you to present yourself to Lord Harkon at once. I actually feel that Molag Bal and Garen Merethi can sense how strong you are as a mixed blood Vampire and are going out of their way to push you in the direction of replacing Harkon as leader of the Clan. During the house of Horrors quest Bal knows how strong you are when he orders you to crush Vigilant Tyrannus. Lets be real, Harkon is just milling about in his castle obsessing over a vague prophecy while your out there dominating your foes as a Vampire. And later when you find out your Dragonborn, your well on the path to becoming Alduin 2.0.

I only just discovered your channel and I love it so far, love the vids man.

Honestly the vampire lord tree was about the only up side to the vampires v.s everything in the dawnguard. If they had made the vampire amour unique in effect or added more then just harkens sword, weapon wise. P.s dragon aspect cast before vampire lord and your shiny Love the video 🖒🍻🍀🍁

the reason the bow wasnt working was because when you beat the mission to get auriels bow the world scripts that enable you to mess with the sun are activated as well but since you probably spawned it in with console commands for the video those arent active so nothing happens

"You can be more powerful than Maiq" *Video cuts and an ad starts* * "PEGI 18" * ... So, that much powerful? 🤔

The bow does work, what you need are either blessed arrows or arrows that Serana bled on - the arrows in question being elven I think. Then you fire at the sun and voila

My to do list for a skyrim replay (Overlord style): 1- Download the high-king mod, and the marry Serana mod 2- Kick Alduin out of nirn 3- Leave Paarthurnax be (since he's actually pretty chill) 4- Become vampire 5- Kill Harkon and take his castle (never liked the guy anyway, plus dead sun means my blood sources dies) 6- Throw "GOD BOW" into a chest, never to be seen again. (since with the right perks and/or levels, I'll have better gear) 7- Take Serana has my First vampire queen waiffu (because she's a badass) 8- Remove Mirraak (Since he's was Foolish enough to challenge me) 9- Complete all of the thieves guild missions (to gain greater influence) 10- Kill Ulfric Stormcloak (since he's a Thalmor sleeper agent meant to keep skyrim locked in war) 11- Take Elisif has my Second queen waiffu (since she loved by many people and easy to control) 12- Equip Jagged Crown and rule has High-King (Game End) What I would of liked to do, but can't since its not part of game content: Destroy Thalmor since their (Egotistic Elitists) that want to erase humans from the world. Plus they couldn't stop me... Since I'm a Vampire Demigod at this point, with only the "Daedric Princes" to threaten me.

Great video as always. The Dawnguard DLC is really good but I don’t like the Volkihar Clan neither the Dawnguard. The Volkihar are a group of vampires who follow an elitist, cruel and psychopath leader (this is taken from the wikia) and worship Molag Bal, the most evil Daedric Prince. And for the Dawnguard, they are extremists and headstrong, like most of Nords. I prefer the Order of Auri-El instead and would join them if it was possible - with Serana, of course.

Awesome video I subbed I love vampiric grip YEET!

Brother i been trynna find ur channel for a bit heard one of your vidjas one day damn near pissed myself keep up the good work killer

Because vampire lord skill suck.

If I remember correctly what happened was the jarl of riften told the old dawnguard to imprison his daughter who became a vampire the daughter ended up turning the dawnguard into vampires and began raiding villages

You can get VLord from Serana while doing the Soul Carne part of the Dawnguard side. So thats not VampExclusive. So do all the Dawngerd side quests to get all their fancy toys before doing the SoulCar thing and bam, you can have your slaves and eat them too. Also... "Idk if Im saying this RIGHT, can someone correct me if I am." Points. All the points.

You know you can join the dawnguard, mused up them vampires, and then get serrana to turn you into a vampire lord... that way you get armoured trolls, crossbows, AND vampire lord power

I have 2 problems: 1. If the sun dies, everyone dies 2. When everyone is turned, where will you get more food? Essentially, everyone starves after the world is completely taken over.

you had me at nazeem

There was some start up in Oblivion, of the dawn guard. You will find out that one of the hold rulers are a vampire and there is a conspiracy to keep it a secret.

Yes it’s so good going to Valks castle having to get a plate EVERY time I go there, because I decided to explore and find the castle before getting the quest.

Wow, imagime if we all just decided who our enemies were based on rumors in real life... Oh wait

🐺 I always side with the vampires. I did side with the dawnguard to see what it was like and I found it boring, empty and all the dawnguard were boring, uninteresting and grumpy. While the vampires actually had personalities and were interesting. The vampire side quests were actually not boring unlike the dawnguard side quests. And you basically listed all the other good things about the vampires. Plus vampire lore in the elder scrolls is so awesome. Great video James, loved it! 💗💗💗💗💗👍

As my good friend irish said "sometimes you need to be evil" made me do a new vamp playthrough. 😂😂👍

I completed the quest without any help from the dawn guards which I’ve never done before but half way through (while I was still a vampire) I fast traveled to dawn guard and they tried to kill me so I left I eventually competed the quest but now the dawn guard just permanently hate me even when I’m not a vampire