Why You Shouldn't Trust Calia Menethil: Dragonflight Lore Speculation 

Calia's awesome! She is a perfect leader for the new Lordaeron, and allows things like holy priests to make sense.

I'm worried about Lilian Voss all of a sudden. Worried.

Calia is fine. The biggest mistake was making Sylvannas forsake the Forsaken

I remember them making a big deal out of how weird her resurrection was, and that video pyromancer made about her was pretty insightful. I thought they might have forgotten about what they were setting up with her

This is actually really insightful. I fell for Caliah narrative but your perspective honestly makes a lot of sense even if it's just speculation at this point so far. Definitely gonna be less trusting of Caliah's intentions moving forward

Hope you'll be making regular videos like this. Good work!

I definitely disagree with this video and notice several mischaracterizations of Sylvannes as being some sort of good guy who suddenly went evil. Sylvannes was always evil. It's been pretty apparent since Warcraft III. She never cared about the forsaken. That being said you do raise some good points and have given me something to think about.

Undead have been villains since Vanilla. I say we give her a chance - its not like she can make us any more evil

I never trust the "We're the good guys, just don't ask too many questions!" type

It would be interesting if it was shown that Calia used these sleazy ways to gain the throne as you suggest. But the modern Blizzard writing prohibits any subtlety, intrigue, and conflict that paints the writers favorite characters in a bad light. And Calia is definitely the writers favorite character. There is no way they are gonna make her a bad guy. Despite she's acting like one. What they will do is to make a point about how she was right all along and the methods she employed were ultimately justified.

All hail the Light. The Great Dark will shine forever.

I'd almost trust a dreadlord before I'd trust anyone associated with the light.

She feels like an Alliance plant to me. I already do not trust her.

This is a fascinating video and totally turned around my opinion on the recent Calia writing that has seemed like just a bunch of errors

Cool vid but you really need to do something about your audio. Sounds like it is re-recorded from a speaker set. Could be a setting with recording or the input of the mic because not even a cheap headset mic should sound like that. Check if you have any voice effects on in Windows or the recording software

I really dislike Calia, she's a problem for the forsaken. She doesn't even care about their wellbeing, she cares about her own light-based ambitions.

A week later: "we have patched the quest dialogue typo that referred to Calia as a queen" Fan theorists: _Oh._ Take it from someone who also spun themselves in circles for months trying to decipher a massive in-game mystery only to have to throw out almost every theory, "If you consider one option too closely, you'll become blind to all other possibilities. What we need here is proof." -Lord Trobin Arceuus

I don't trust her but I think we need her. The Forsaken are doomed to fade away. Maybe with Calia, we can start to grow in numbers again. Forsaken risen with the light, but not necessarily lightbound.

This was disproven by blizzard, the "queen" text was removed.

i hope they make her up to an amazing villan honestly one that has grown over multiple expansions instead of some random as shadow death guy

Loved this video - tyvm for all that you covered! I think the bottom line is, I have my money on Lillian Voss - she is no stranger to the "light's" betrayal. I think she can hold a front of trust (and was wanting the peace that Calia's ambassador's role claimed to offer), but, given her history - I believe Lillian never really let down her guard and probably has had her eye on Calia from the start to the present.

Do not forget, Calia is Undead. Evil is in her soul, however much she tries to hide it.

Sylvanas may have started the 4th War with the burning of Teldrassil, but Calia light the match by showing up to The Gathering...

This is awesome Video 😃😊I hope there will be more videos in the future Great Work!

Just goes you show you can never trust the nice ones. Good work on finding out all the information for this video! Looks like the Forsaken have a new problem on the horizon.

In the warcraft universe strife is everywhere and you have to find solace where you can, i rather trust something than nothing.

Very interesting video. Quite some work you put into this. Would be nice to see more of these alongside wowhead story pieces. Only downside is the horrible quality of the used microphone :/ Makes it hard to listen to (at least for me). P.S.: Suffrajester is an exceptionally awesome name

Last time a Menethil became undead, he destroyed three cities and killed thousands

I'll trust her when my own undead can stand up straight

Calia may be a problem but at the same time, I've said the same thing about Turalyon, the minute he showed back up, I said he was trouble. The fact he almost killed Illidan for rejecting the Light was a big clue and I don't buy that "gold to brown" eye change at all. The fact he's been on the throne of Stormwind for years now (what, about 10?) is dangerous because he's not going to want to give it back to Anduin, especially since the now-man King has lost his feeling for the Light, that it no longer trusts him (he doesn't trust himself but that's not the way Turalyon will see it). Genn's answer to Shaw was further confirmation for that feeling I've had since the start of Shadowlands. I don't trust the light, even with playing a few Light characters (a few Paladins, and at least three Light Forged Draenei). It's just getting too many questions about the power and what it does (corrupts absolutely???) So, yeah. I'm on that belief too (and someone else mentioned Pyromancer's videos about it and I am in agreement with him).

DiscordianKitty world of warcraft the war within is come out on august 26 2014

Yall really mad about a woman using her legal last name. Aight... this was a good video you didn't need such a stupid item on your list.

Its about balance, the light brings order, order un checked becomes control, facism, oppression. Void is chaos, chaos representd freedom, freedom can become anarchy, insanity, madness.

To me I think they are forcing a story without putting the work in. If she is basically someone that wants to take over the throne for her own gains then they needed to fix the forsaken distrust of her. They didn't trust her not only because of what her brother did to them, not only because she didn't suffer the same as they did, but also because they moved past the monarchy. Arthas was their king and he slaughtered his people to force them to do whatever he wanted. When they broke free the human kingdoms that they were apart of saw them as monsters and wanted nothing to do with them. The forsaken wasn't saved because sylvanas was important to the high elves it was because she actually cared about them and decided if no one was going to support them then they'd do what they had to do to support themselves. So it makes absolutely no sense enough of the forsaken would care that she has a right to the throne because that Lorderon she was royalty for is dead and the forsaken doesn't want anything to do with it anymore. So if they wanted to do what they're doing now it shouldn't have been obvious she was going for the throne she should instead have been a diplomat and have more backing of leaders to her side. Have her working closely with blood elves and humans and getting the dark rangers to side with her to remember their high elf days and get to the point that Horde leaders such as Thrall. Baine, Ji, Gallywix, etc so there's push from the horde to make her leader because she works well with the alliance so there is more pressure for the forsaken to fall in line. But they rushed it and didn't have it be a slow burn. They just had her instantly apart of the council and then basically instantly becomes the leader of the forsaken. Now personally with how they did Calia I think they should have had her as the leader of the scarlet crusade. So essentially she comes in thinking she should isntantly be crowned, is denied and then she goes to the scarlet crusade who uses her as their greatest tool. Because with her they can say they have a right to Lorderon, that there is a type of undead that's acceptable, and gets them back in with the alliance who does care about monarchy and who callia had a lot of personal connections with. Now the scarlet crusade doesn't really care about her they just see her as being the perfect oppertunity to reach their goals of exterminating the forsaken, gaining control in the human kingdom, and then moving onto other enemies such as orcs and trolls. Callia would be a perfect villain for the forsaken because she may see herself as being like them and their rightful ruler but she doesn't understand she's not them and is just the acceptable undead until she steps out of line or they run out of use for her. Which if she's still alive then she'd probably question the light and she would go through similar journeys of anduin. Two royal kids who was taught in the ways of the light, one thrust into being the king and one chose to fight to become the queen only to realize their destiny they were prepared for since childhood isn't what they hoped for and they have to question it. Wow for a while has questioned destiny from how we stopped reorigination, how half the playerbase was meant to be titan robots, how Illidan was destined to be a light champion, how literally every threat that honestly should have been the end has been stopped. Wow's story is constantly "Yeah no we're fighting to change what's suppose to happen to us because we're not accepting that without a fight" and succeeding. So why not have Callia also go through that and her and Anduion having their stories linked to help each other out. Instead of you know "she's the undead queen, accept it (playerbase refuses to accept it) fine she's a villain now"

Lets hope the seeming sudden changes of Character in Calia is part of the writing like you assume and not just the writers constantly ignoring or forgetting their own established stuff. You never know with WoW

I bet we end up possibly fighting her in War Within as a raid boss because she so consumed by the light, I don't think she'll die but like we did Anduin!

I think you might be right, speaking of which, it is know. That the blood elves bend the will of the light so they can use it. They had forcefully bound a Naaru, and for it to use the light for them.

I have always thought of Calia being brought back (and subsequently, Sylvanas' terrible turn from Legion to Shadowlands) is because of absolutely bad writers in Blizzard. If Metzen can steer it back on track, I hope Calia, along with Turalyon, get drunk on Light and become evil.

This comes off as just another salty forsaken player who prefers Genocide Waifu who mass murdered both Horde and Alliance (remember gates of Lordaeron and blight bombing your own soldiers) and is coming up with insane, convoluted, theories that would never actually play out in game. The simple truth? Sylvanas had too much dirty laundry, especially post BFA, to ever be truly redeemed. So, they replaced her with a character who can be built from the ground up to help the forsaken find greyer territory within the grand scheme of the lore. This allows Blizzard to write a more coherent story that involves the forsaken without immediately villain batting them because "that's not how they'd act". Calia is simply a "good" forsaken and some players don't like that, they want the forsaken to be able to torture people in their basement still with absolutely no consequences because they're a playable race. The story is simplifying itself by having all the races hold a primarily good stance, with actual neutral / evil factions playing the more antagonistic roles. It may come off as boring to many, but it helps Blizzard avoid the drama of villain batting playable races and thus making the players question their loyalties or feel guilty for playing a race they want. Calia is likely here to stay and she also very likely doesn't have 4D chess motivations as this video implies, people are just simply coming up with a variety of reasons to try to villain bat her because they miss Sylvanas.

Why is Calia in the game called queen now? She was never supposed to be a queen, she was never a queen, a she should never be. Then why is she called that?

so they did change the quest text after all, hehe. I was very surprised when I read it, "return to Queen Calia", wait, wait wait, Queen? Queen of WHAT? And no, I do not trust Calia. Or rather say, I do not trust the handling of her character. For me, it is quite clear that her original purpose was to be Sylvanas full replacement, like "Sylvanas but good and light". In order to make that possible, they made Sylvanas an outright villain and ruined her further development. Remember that initially, there was no option to side with Sylvanas at all in the war campaing, you were expected to betray her, and the loyalist option was added due to fan demand. I also think the mixed reception of Calia is the main reason they flip-flop between her not wanting to be a leader and wishing it, as it was intended for her to be the next undead ruler. As its core, for me it sums up to disliking the trope "Good Victims, Bad Victims" in which some people are more deserving of help and understanding for their pain than others because they are "good", if they are "bad" they should only get damnation. Sylvanas and Calia are both victims of undeath being forced upon them, but Sylvanas is a bad victim because she was dark and angry and Calia is good because she is nice and light, a "proper" victim, so she deserves sympathy and a glossy throne with it, even though is thanks to Sylvanas that the forsaken had a chance to reclaim their place in the world and rebuilt their lost lifes, and truly proved herself to be a leader. But Calia is a Menethil! she has never lead anything, but she deserves it! I guess being a good victim and having divine right of kings would do that for you. Alas, such a long comment hehe , but it was a really cool video, I liked very much!

Anyone else just not give a flying rip about this character?

I hope Sylvanas puts an arrow through her, once Calia reveals her true self.

Nope, I think Blizzard is going to axe the factions, Lordaron and Gilneas and eventually Silvermoon, Stormwind, and Orgrimmar open to all players. I think this is all hinged on Calia.

Or the alliance refers to her as queen

I love calia for the white lady I remeber in legion i was excited to see her in game nice movements

Lorna, either.

Well it's her land and her people, so I don't see the problem with her reclaiming the throne. She actually never did anything wrong.

Can’t stand her. Sylvanas come back to the foresaken.

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good video but you need to upgrade your microphone ASAP. sounds like you're talking into a 15 year old notebook

ugh... that narration voice.... This is why people need to stop using AI voice. It can really off putting.

Well I hope she can rebuild Kingdom of Lorderon for both living and undead and we can get Human undead skin and Undead paladins

The Light wants blind obedience and she can not be trusted. It's the Undercity and we are the Forsaken.

i was smitten the first time i saw calia in her undead form, she exerts this type of queen energy with the slight game of thrones'esc way of speaking, and sweet talking her way just like any queen should, she needs alot of support to win the cold dead hearts of the undead, shes the closest thing the alliance got to winning lordaeron back without actually invading, as this story develops more, i wish that she gets to actually see her wish to rule take form, a new queen would spice things up a bit for the story with how bland retail storytelling is in these past few years.

01:25 Lilian Voss have golden eyest just like Turalyon in cinematic with Illidan killing chandelier, maybe Lilian is "light brainwashed" to support Calia.

this is a good video, thanks

Pyro has basically the same take as you. Seems legit