Why You Will Never Have Zoom Calls With Mars | Answers With Joe 

"long answer: nnnnnnooooo" is the best worst joke you've made yet

Earth: send wall of text... 20 mins later.... Mars: k

7:32 when the internet speed is better on Mars than in your hometown, feels bad.

4mbps per second is literally faster than my internet

Can we just take a moment and appreciate that we are seriously talking about the nuances of communication with humans on another planet. The fact that we even have this problem to deal with is exciting.

For anyone that grew up in the 90's this isn't so bad.

"To kill two birds with one stone, I shall build a giant trebuchet to launch myself to Mars. Thus, I will never have to use a Zoom call AND I may get a job with SpaceX!" -Sun Tzu, the art of War (probably)

I am a father of 7, with 4 grandchildren and growing. I have discussed with my children several times that given the chance I would take a one way ticket to Mars. To be one of the first, a true explorer. What surprises me is that they don’t understand why I would give up what I have. And I don’t understand why they can’t understand me.

I don't even know any one on Mars so I am not worried.

As a Texan (Howdy, Joe! From the RGV here!) in my own personal experience 15 years ago I moved to England from Texas & when I go back it feels completely alien to me now... also- people move on quickly- it’s quite heartbreaking but when you are the one to leave your native land, they get over you pretty quickly... I’ve got family who I haven’t seen for YEARS that I used to be close to... then after a while you move on, too. And that’s here on earth!

Well, when I woke up this morning, I didn't expect to be screaming "NO COMMUNICATION THEORUM" at my phone as hard as I could...

Hi Joe! Quantum Information PhD here. The problem with entanglement not providing faster than light communication is not that we can't act on one of the two particles without breaking the entanglement. Actually, that's pretty easy, and is routinely done in experiments! The issue is much more fundamental: there is no way to "force" a locally measured particle to be found in (say) the "up" state. Entanglement only tells you that the two outcomes are correlated (e.g. they are opposite) but provides no way to choose _which_ outcome you get...

Lmaooo, the long answer: nooo oooo ooo That was good aha

Schrodinger's cat just became Jackson's glove.

The best Schrödinger's cat explanation I've ever heard, no cat necessary.

In one of his stories Vernor Vinge touched on a possible solution: AI-based predictive buffering. A pair of AIs at each end of the Earth to Mars channel are designed to learn the data request patterns and to get material to the other end before it is needed. We do something like this right now for many hierarchical storage solutions relying just on locality of reference. It should be possible to do a lot better once the common patterns of usage are understood. Combine that with really, really big buffers at each end and Mars would have near-instantaneous access to most Earth material it needs. (Zoom performance still would be rather annoying, though.)

This is why in The Expance Martians almost immediately distanced themselves from culturally from earth.

As an IT professional, you seem to have a very good understanding of the many complications involving data-transfer between planets. A lot of people don't seem to fully grasp how complicated these communications truly are. Long-time viewer, keep up the good work Joe!

Maan... I just can't wait for the 5th season of The Expanse!

That glove analogy for explaining quantum entanglement was great!

"Getting a letter from New York to London in colonial times would take weeks or months... or sometimes wouldn't get there at all." Wow, like sending letters from Australia to the London today, then?

Speaking of Interstellar, I just noticed this the other day. Remember when they went to the giant wave planet with 1.6 times earth gravity?...they exited the planet's gravity well with an SSTO. And at the beginning they used a 3 stage rocket...ya see the problem here?

Joe, I just want to say thank you... Thank you! You've produced like 3 videos I didn't LOVE, that's impressive as hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hope YT rewards you well for each of your vids I watch. Covid killed my job so I can't contribute other ways right now, but I want you to know that what you produce is appreciated VERY MUCH!!!! Thank you! Peace.

Fantastic content! This is precisely why Im subscribed to this channel! Thank you Joe for providing what seems like a never ending source of entertainment and just damn good learning. I am a better and more informed person because of the content you create

Over our marriage, I moved with my ex-wife no less than five times in order for her to pursue her career. From the very start of our relationship I asked her “given that any move to Mars would be one-way, due to not only the expense but the changes wrought by the lower gravity making it impossible to return to Earth, would you be willing to emigrate to Mars with me?” Her answer was always a resounding “no”. That really should have been a red flag to me...

Joe: "Wormholes" Me: "Stargate!" Joe: "[like] in Interstellar" Me: cries in Goa'uld...

Great Video, Joe. Always enjoy them! Keep up the good work :)

2:09 Leif Erikson, please. Let's remember this truly impressive explorer's name correctly, shall we? ;)

When he said what the long answer was he literally had me crying

"Your home is littered with NASA spinoff technology" I feel attacked...

I find myself staring at the random stuff on the shelves behind Joe. Cool nerdy knickknacks. And of course, always awesome info being thrown out there.

Regarding the folding paper / punching hole thing, before Interstellar it was also in Event Horizon! Dunno if that's where it comes from originally, I imagine some science dude used this metaphor to explain to us plebs a long time ago how wormholes work

That's the greatest "long answer" I've ever heard.

when you asked "how much of a time delay?" my internet froze and i waited for so long thinking it was a editing joke.... ..nope!

You are such a great explainer !!!! 👏👏👏

Real lovely video, thank you

i love how zoom has replaced skype in the public slang

Joe, watch The Expanse on Amazon! LITERALLY, Earth vs Mars vs the Asteroid colonists, ... vs terrorists, ..... vs aliens.

The folded paper analogy was used in Event Horizon a decade and a half earlier. Show some respect man.

Thanks for making Learning fun.

Long answer "Nooooooooooo!" Love it.

“You said goodbye to everyone for good”. Indeed, when our family came to Canada from the Netherlands in 1951, it was certainly with the understanding that it was “Goodbye”, forever. It wasn’t until years later that my parents were able to afford to go back for a visit, one at a time, because the price of air travel had dropped enough.

Amazing information.

One of my favorite details in the expanse books is how long communication is in space, and how slow light actually is over big distances.

My connection here is literally 5 Mbps, I beat the mars one but not by a whole lot..

Great video. I hope we can make Zoom calls *in 5 billion years* when the Earth and Mars are about to collide.

This boggled my brain! What a fun thought I never had before watching this video. I can't wait to see how we adapt to these overcome these challenges?

Funny and fascinating, plus consistent moments of empathy for those on the crap end of historical power dynamics. Glad I subscribed. 😍

This is just like the scenario from The Expanse.

"friendly natives" - I think you said "post-apocalyptic survivors" wrong

Joe's space episodes are the icing on the cake for his channel, just superb.

"shoot some film.. dig a little dirt..., play some golf..., get down tonight, get down tonight". Don't know why that popped in my head when you were saying this.

That Mars Attacks! reference, lol.

"Only with no natives to wipe out." No natives...that we know of!!! [insert dramatic music]

"turns people into werewolves" Moon: turning people into furries since ancient times.

Honestly I don't see the light lag to be much of an issue between a Mars Colony and Earth. After all, many societies have lived with longer communications delays and still stayed (relatively) cohesive. I mean to use America for example, it was the 'United States' for at least decades before functionally instant communications was in wide spread use. Even in my country, the UK, which is tiny in comparison to the USA had to deal with days or weeks of communication delay in just getting post, and it too has had a relatively stable existence for at least hundreds of years. Suffice it to say, basically any other country can boast the same. So a delay of less than an hour doesn't look like the back breaking straw to me. What would be the straw though, you've already mentioned. The simple fact that living on Mars will be so different to living here on Earth would almost certainly create the sorts of social pressures that would cause Martians to eventually want some form of independence.

Humans sometimes take days to reply to a simple text or email, so I think it's safe to say the communication delay will be irrelevant for a lot of people. Obviously it's a bad scenario for emergency situations though.

I remember when I had Joe’s entire library that I haven’t seen. Now when these pop up I my feed I am very excited. Thanks Joe!

Great video. Hope you get 1 mil subs soon. Keep it up.

Man this is cool, so much to be amazed by

And then there's the mad scientists and trying to send emojis through the hell portals....

So, Mars. I take it the "dumping tea in the harbor" thing is out, then.

This is so valid!

The short answer. . . No. The long answer. . . . 😂🤣😂🤣😂 Joe you freaking crack me up!!!

Excellent video. The trip to and landing on Mars will be just about the biggest experience any human could have. But then life on Mars will be tough, it’ll suck. No one should ever go to stay permanently (until possibly large colonies or cities exist). All visitors to Mars will never again take for granted the ability to walk outside and breathe the air, look at the sky without a skylight, walk barefoot in the grass, sit under a tree for shade, or simply look at all the life nature offers. I would absolutely go to the moon for a week or so, but not a 2.5 year trip to Mars. I can’t wait till the first humans go to Mars!

"...no natives to wipe out." *That we KNOW OF.

Honestly, Mars should have it's own Internet, a massive array of proxy servers and secondary servers synchronizing with the Earth's Internet constantly. As for streaming over half a megabit, you can still watch Netflix, Amazon and Disney+ over it. Communication between Earth and Mars actually shouldn't be that difficult. It would take a bit of engineering but anyone that has had to synchronize remote businesses with the main office over Internet of varying quality has dealt with this. Honestly I'd love to be involved in that job. That just sounds like fun.

Great video

200 years ago: "why you will never send and receive messages from england without waiting half a year"

I have a right to go wherever I want without wearing a stupid helmet. My body, my rights. *gasp* *blurgle* *arghhhh*

More on the topic of Mars, please!

Nearly got that mill my friend. Well deserved Joe!!

Joe: ...between .5 and 4 Mbps Me: That's actually.. impressive?

It will be "The Expanse" played out in real time. If/when there is Mars Colonization, they will be a different people in 50-100 years time and they certainly would want their own autonomy.

Omfg a reference to mystery men🖤🖤 that’s amazing. I thought not many people knew about that movie lol

Thanks

Nah. Just send robots and such. We can live on giant spinning space stations. Mars sucks. Robots got the Mars exploration covered.

The progress bar on the bottom of the screen was brilliant! It really drove home the time frame a signal takes to travel from Earth to Mars.

That glove analogy is the best description of quantum entanglement I’ve heard! I finally have a bare minimum understanding of it lol

This is basically like BBS/FidoNET of the days before Internet. Dial into a BBS with a modem, download your messages/news in a packet, disconnect, read them, compose your own responses and put into a package, connect to the BBS and upload your package for later distribution to other participating BBSes.

I love the topics brought up in this video. Especially with the Mars colony wanting independence. If anybody has seen the Series 'The Expanse' it deals with this exact conundrum. Even going as far as the miners of asteroids called "belters"

Could you do an episode showing all the stuff you've got in the background?

during a rewatch i remembered the series MARS on national geographic and it showed some of the communication issues discussed

the thing with curiosity and the reconnaissance orbiter is absolutely an anecdote you'd find in 20021

The glove analogy actually improved my understanding of quantum entanglement so much! Thank you, Joe!

7:45 Half the world's population doesn't have to imagine, Joe

Joe, you're a goofball, and you make your videos fun.

That glove-pair is a pretty darn good analogy.

Be real people in comparison here on earth: Worst case scenario it’s texting with a friend who lives on the other side of planet (12 hours delay). Best case scenario it’s texting a friend who rarely checks his phone

Mars to Mars zoom calls though, would be fine.

Even though people don't like or talk about the game, I love RTX Red Rock for this very reason because in it, EZ Wheeler was on Phobos Station and when he had contact with the Colony Officer in the Communication Room, the live video recording was kind of clear but it was bad quality with those lines all over which in a couple of seconds, it did have some static show up as her voice was messed up in it then on Mars, the General sent messages for updating our protagonist but not instant ones and everytime he spoke, it was clear but not a long video and in one later in the game, he said what time the soldiers were going to arrive from Earth which was pretty accurate because it doesn't take a day.

Battletech had an interesting concept for this, in universe these transmitters were called Hyper Pulse Generator (or HPG) Katrina Steiner had a massive number of them constructed so that she could communicate with the Federated Commonwealth (The Largest "nation" in the Inner Sphere) with only milliseconds delay. Of course the signals are sent faster than light so again physics breaking as of our current understanding. The idea isn't unsound though it's a matter of finding a way for it to actually be possible and if it ever is the people who come after us will wonder why we "Didn't just do it that way in the first place, it's so simple."

Okay, you have got to start watching The Expanse. If you're watching this odds are you already do, but I assure you, you'd love it.

And like everybody else, I can't believe he didn't even mention The Expanse.

My husband and I would jump at thr chance to colonize Mars. We are old, but we have marketable skills; I'm a civil engineer with expansive (get the joke?) Knowledge of hydraulics and hydrology and he's was a cop, court administrator etc). I love watching your channel. I wish I had known you when I was in Texas.

11:28 i think i saw some on sale at walmart the other day.

Spooky action at a distance pretty much describes my romantic life.

Having 2 different internets sounds also interesting. Big companies and social media would have 2 versions of their sites. You can connect to the other planets internet if you want but the loading times are just unbearable.

Hey Joe, First of all i want to say i love your video's. I'm an electronical Engering student from the Netherlands. I think the reason why i'm drawn to you channel and content is because you always try to tell both side of the story and are willing to lissen to both sides. Something that is being challenged now with social media platforms designed to show people what they wanna see. But lets not get to much into that now. Luckily i have highly educated friends who respect other opinions and love to argue and debat about stuff (even when they don't support the position they are defending just for the sport of it). Just a year ago we had a debate about on vaccinating your children and if you could force that or if you can Denie them for certain schools and stuff (there was lots of alcohol and it was more for the sport of debating and getting under each others skins). So everybody was pro vaccine based on knowledge we believed we had. Me and my friends are recently debating on whether we would take to vaccine for covid. The issue i and most of my friends have is the procedure. What did they change to go 5x quicker then usual and were there politics involved. In this time, especially with the US elections there is a lot of contradicting stories going around. Its hard to find a good non politically influenced video about this. Also because lots of doctors and health instances have spoken out on governments and wrong information. This debat will pick up world wide within the next 2 months (it already has here in the Netherlands). And this is the moment to make a difference. Not by pushing people to one side but to get the baseline and facts straight from both sides. To make people agree on the facts and different concerns fist, before we start arguing about the statements. I know you not a specialist and you can not give advice. But you could hear both side out and try to find the common ground as well as make them hear each other. So i challenge you to make a video about the prosses differences between normal vaccines and now without political arguments and showing both sides of the coin. If you want some starting questions and concerns feel free to contact me and i will ask around in my community (i also have friends who don't vaccinate at all so that could be intrestring). Well Good luck and keep up the good work.

Love the subtle use of a moving illustration of the connection between Earth and Mars. Very creative. Never noticed it on the bottom until it was a quarter of the line. Also, would it be considered or suggested that if quantum machine learning is fully established then the communication between Mars and Earth would be better? As example with the binary concept in the video? Was not clear.