As a proud Liszt fan, I loved the burn "where do I even start", because in reality, he never stuck to conventional norms of composition and always did things different. Liszt always experimented new things with his music, so it kind of rings true, lol. 😂
Beethoven’s harmonies are simple at times, but many of these instances stand to hold an important meaning within the overall structure of the piece. An example I’ve seen people sight is an instance in the 4th movement of his 5th symphony where he stays on the I C major chord for several measures to pound in the cadence on the first section. I believe this over the top emphasis is there as a means to contrast the much more somber returning theme from the 3rd movement. I would argue his harmonies are not necessarily boring, but more overtly simplistic at times.
He's just the earliest romantic symphonist so everything seems more simple to us. I personally am addicted to Mahler, so genuinly listening to Beethoven's music sounds a bit simple for me.
@@dan-us6nk It's that classical simplicity that makes it such a joy to listen to, though. Beethoven's music may be quasi-romantic and large in scale but it never loses that Mozartian charm.
Tchaikovsky for ever✌🏻 The only composer who wrote 2 hours long ballets and you can listen to the whole thing of every single one of them finding every moment beautiful end exciting, not to mention his other full length works I do not understand why he hates Rachmaninoff that much lol😂
@@Luca-yg5qx Prokofiev is amazing too, one of my favourites... I honestly wouldn't do any ranking with composerz but it was a way to say that Tchaikovsky has a special place in my heart. Also, although Prokofiev's ballets are incredible, it's still hard to stand against Tchaikovsky's three masterpieces, which are enjoyable with and without ballet
What a low blow for Chopin! He may not have orchestrated most of his pieces, but there is orchestral quality counterpoint in his pieces! Can you tell that Chopin is my favourite composer?
The lack of orchestration in his works is what keeps Chopin in my least listened composers... I do find his music beautiful, but piano alone doesn't meet my taste so often... I also didn't love his orchestrated works, sadly, but I won't to make clear it's just about personal taste, he's a great composer
Rachmaninoff is so good, but if i had to find a reason why he “sucks“, then it would be how uncomfortable his music is to play sometimes. You can tell he had gigantic hands and some of the reaches and chords just hurt my hand. But overall, Rachmaninoff was a very melodic and emotional composer with strong themes. Very powerful music indeed
Shostakovich: "Every piece is inspired by war." Not true -- his Symphony #5 was inspired by fear of being sent to the gulag for pissing off Stalin. Also, Finland is a Nordic country, but not Scandinavian. Not enough time to point out all the other errors here.
"Ehem, guuys, actually, ehem ehem. Actually its not called classical music, its called impressionism in music. W-wait... where are you going? Is it because im smart?🤓
Shostakovich won't be sent to gulag - he was a cultural symbol for soviet people, and even Stalin won't touch him (unless Shostakovich would go openly hostile on him). In fact, Shostakovich due to his contacts with Stalin saved many other people from gulags
Heyy Nederlander, mijn opa is heel erg fan van brucker en moet altijd huilen bij bijna alle van zijn symphoniën😂 ben zelf toch echt meer een Prokofjev fan..... Bruckner is gewoon een klein beetje saai
@@sergei-prokofiev eerlijk genoeg prokofiev is ook goed om eerlijk te zijn gewoon mijn smaak om eerlijk te zijn ik ben blij dat je opa van bruckner houdt
This guy had a chance to absolutely ruin Beethoven if he had put “ode to joy” as his the bg music for his title card lol. Big respect for goin easy on Olde Ludwiggy, sehr dank kumpel🍻
The Brahms one is entirely counterfactual; in reality, she was expecting him to marry her after Robert died, as they were both in love with each other. However, he chose to remain espoused to his music over marrying her. Conclusion: he was the exact opposite of a simp.
Oh right, I always thought it was a case of unrequited love, interesting. In that case, do you know what his reason for not marrying her was, like why did he want to remain espoused to his music?
@@mouf725 Robert Schumann was his mentor and great friend. I assume even though the two had an affair, he had too much respect for Robert and felt too guilty.
As a Vivaldi fan, I don’t feel like that was even a really good burn. He wrote over 400 concertos and because one of them happens to be beloved by a random suckass talent show, that’s all he’s remembered for. He _invented_ the modern concerto and all he is remembered for is Summer.
@@rodrigoodonsalcedocisneros9266 Lmao, I guess that would be true for someone who just listens to the four seasons. But it is certainly a better "burn" than the one in the video. Maybe I'm just a stingy fan tho.
He didn't even write all the concertos for violin; there are concertos for cello, oboe, flute, bassoon, recorder, lute, mandolin, horn, viola d'amore, (etc) and then he also has a couple of concerto grossos that are really great too.
I think that Tchaikovsky is way more than just a great melodist. But Ravel is a genius orchestrator, and so is Tchaikovsky, just because Ravel uses more different Instrument combinations does not mean he is a better orchestrator, even if I love Ravel. Not saying Ravel isn't better. But there is a difference between how many different sound colors are used and the actual genius of orchestration.🙌🏻
@@arielorthmann4061 Messiaen is Ravel's sucessor in a way, his orchestration is great, the only difference is that the way he writes doesn't lend so well to what really made Ravel the best. Btw, saying Tchaikovsky is better at orchestration than Ravel is ridiculous, Tchaikovsky was a good orchestrator, but not even a master, so let's not compare to perhaps the biggest master of them all. Stravinsky, Messiaen, Schoenberg, they were all so much better and clearly more knowledgeable, not that there is any issue with Tchaikovsky's music
The Mahler one made me burst out laughing. Especially since I read the letters Alma wrote about him and in one of the early ones she describes how he cried in her arms, apologizing for coming too early the first time they ever had sex. ;)
I only studied Baroque and Romanticism but if I had to answer "Who's the best composer?" I'd just go with Bach Mozart Handel... Schumann or Schubert... always get them confused. One of those.
5:14 During Rob's lifetime it was exactly the opposite. She was a Europe-renowned piano virtuoso and he was barely known outside Germany. When they came to Russia someone asked "Who is that guy near you? Ah, your husband? Does he even compose or what?"
@@dan-us6nk I'm not sure if I can give you any sources in English since I've watched some documentaries and read some articles in Russian. You can fing something about Clara and Robert's trip to St. Petersburg and Moscow in 1844. Although, here are some translations from Olga Loseva's article "About Clara and Robert Schumann's Russian trip" from 2002: "Whatever Russian criticists wrote during Clara Schumann's concerts about the popularity of Robert Schumann's pieces "among all of the amateurs, not even saying about the connoisseurs", the facts, unfortunately, claim the opposite. Even among the connoisseurs his music *and even his name* was seldom heard before 1844, and really a few of Eastern European composers of his generation were in such a deep obscurity there. It would be wrong to say that such a situation was specific for Russia and was different for any country outside Germany". Although, in 10 years the situation changed dramatically and Schumann has become one of the most playable composers there. And that had suprpisingly no connection to Clara's recitals.
Which is also the reason why her father was so fundamentally opposed to them marrying and they had to get a court order to be allowed to. He had groomed her to be a concert pianist being able to maintain not only herself but also provide for her father as well. And when Robert showed up, an unknown musician, a law school drop out, a man that was not made, father Wieck was up in arms against the idea of her daughter marrying him.
Once heard the joke that you can count everything Stravinsky wrote in single beats. One, one, one, accented one, soft one, one rest, one, one, slightly longer one, one…. Etc.
Dancers are masters of counting music, because that the way we can set reference points and dance together with the music... I've danced in Stravinsky and you can't imagine how complex it is musically, we had to memorize a sequence of phrases, each of different length, and count it at different speeds depending on what we needed to do... Everything with absolutely no pattern, and counting everything in 1 wouldn't help us😂 it was fun tho, I give him that
Although Stravinsky represents at first a considerable challenge for conductors because of his unique bar system and internal elements in the music... it's the most addictive drug once you get used to it and internalise his "game". As a student, I think Histoire du Soldat it's an impassable step in a conductor's education!
The hysterical thing is the "Stravinsky conducts Stravinsky " series on Columbia demonstrates how difficult his work is to conduct. Old Igor was a below average conductor.
Tchaikovsky's orchestration is widely considered among the best... Ravel has a beautiful use of colour and rythme but Tchaikovsky's orchestration is pure genius... It should be recognised instead that Wagner's orchestration is at God level too and Tchaikovsky has been influenced by it (although he publicly disliked him)
About Mahler, it's worth saying that at some point he sought Freud's services to "solve stuff" so yeah, there's that. Although on the other hand, he was almost 40 years old when he met his wife who was barely 18 at the time, and all his and Alma Schindler biographers account that whatever happened between them was wild and instantaneous, so yeah.
I think the thing about Bach that can make his music a little difficult to listen to is that you are never given a break, seldom much contrast in a single movement, and in his pieces start very suddenly and drammatically, which are not bad things but can get overwhelming very quickly, especially with his fugues. Bach in my mind will always be my favourite composer because I can never get bored of him but once in awhile I need a break from his intense and rigorous counterpoint for something lighter, which often ironically involves a bigger orchestra.
Ravel is pinnacle of orchestration and Prokofiev is well-known for many recognizable works, piano sonatas (dunno if you are just a violinist or anything), Romeo and Juliet, piano concertos, etc etc.
as a Tchaikovsky/Debussy fan, I got off easy and the most fucking striking thing is that I've been told I look a lot like Dicaprio by entirely different random people a great number of times
This channel represents another fundamental step in recognizing that nobody actually gives a shit about Satie, which is interesting, considering that neither did his contemporaries
Quite false since he was worshipped in France by Les Six. His music was loved back then in France and he kind of was an icon of French Classical music.
@@ernstjung6234 I mean now. His repetoire has a niche scope. Classical music treats most composers that are not Mozart or Bethoveen horribly for no good reason.
Contempories of more famous composers after spending their whole life creating music and gaining reputation only to be instantly forgotten by an ungrateful public. 💀
I wish there was more representation with composers such as Albéniz, de Falla, Gottschalk, Granados, etc. Their music is so great and deserves to be known more!
Spanish composers are seriously underrated, especially the ones from late 19th century and early 20th century, even most spanish people don't have idea of who they are!
Gottschalk! I'm so attached to his music since I danced the main character in a fairytale with his music. Very exciting and exotic, yet virtuosity doesn't take away from expressiveness
4:07 WOW I have a lot to say about this: Lady Macbeth, the Nose, cello sonata, Symphony 1, Symphony 15, Piano Trio 2, Piano Concerto 2, Jazz Suites are all counter arguments.
What's with the hate towards Händel? Aside from Mozart and Prokofiev, he's the composer that got me into classical music. And I still like to listen to his works every now and then.
I am a proud Wagnerian. He wrote very complex and long works, and you have to be really into there to feel all of the greatness. And when you've reached it, it is simply the best for you. And you also get the superpower not to get tired while listening to his operas))
Ppl say they don't like Tristan act 2 because of Brangene warnings and marke's disappointment. I absolutely disagree as personally the whole act was just the most musically fascinating piece, the plot is slow but the pace is perfectly shaped by Wagner
@@weavileoff0461 being patient is one thing. When I first listened to Tristan I was patiently listening to act 1 while my attention kinda flew away until they drank the potion. But act 2 and 3 is something that I don't know how people can think it's boring, cuz it simply isn't.
@@weavileoff0461 actually act 1 can be very good too depending on the performance. The Bohm performance left me cold but the Karajan 52 is the best act 1 I've heard because of many reasons that I'm not going to list out here. Anyways Wagner left us long gifts that are not boring.
Ach, you proud, true believers. Those 20+ (?) minutes of stasis in Parsifal (Farcifal, mejor dicho) were the death of me. Pity I didn't have Glazunov's wherewithal to keep trying (he didn't "get" Wagner, either, on attempts 1,2 or 3) until finally... I will definitely give ol' Richard his due, however, as the greatest "bleeding chunks" composer ever!
In college we all wrote a term paper on a Haydn piece. It required listening to it over and over... Doing lengthy analysis of the score. The Monday it was due we're all handing in the papers I go, "I'm sorry, but that was pretty boring. I'm not a fan." Everyone in the room laughed, including the professor.
Alkan: "Who the hell are you? And stop beating the piano, aren't 20 minutes enough?" Sorabji: "If you write 5-hour-long piano pieces with 4 staves it doesn't make your music automatically epic" La Monte Young: "Tune your piano m8" Delibes, Minkus: "I'm not a ballet dancer so your music doesn't make sense to me" C. P. E. Bach: "Stop modulating between movements"
Me, a butthurt Bruckner fanatic: "Seriously, where did we get the 'same symphony 9 times' thing??? Ugh. No one UNDERSTANDS Bruckner, which is why I am so special for worshipping him against his will!!!"
I always thought that I wasn’t a classical music person. I’ve realized that the only classical I’ve been exposed to is Beethoven. And I don’t like Beethoven. So I’m going to take video and choose some cool seeming composers. Thanks for making this! I’m going to start with Ravel because I liked that excerpt you put In here and Shostakovich because I like war music.
See if you like Glenn Gould. Iearned to love classical through listening to him and studying his lectures. Heres some Ravel. m.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-KR2ECgtxYVw.html
Classical music is very diverse so it’s really impossible to judge it based on just one or a few composers… personally I like Beethoven, but there’s a lot of classical music I love that other classical fans will scoff at and vice versa
Me anytime someone says something bad about Wagner's character: Yeah, he was a real douchebag Me anytime anyone says a single negative thing about his music: Listen here you little schieße...
@@treystephens6166 Scheiße is just the noun for shit/poop, Scheißer is the word for the person who's a little shit/bugger. You could use the feminine form which would be 'Scheißerin' if you talk about a female, but usually for everyone the masculine form gets used.
I’ll have to assume since there was no mention of Percy Grainger or Scriabin, that my favorite composers are so indubitably excellent it wasn’t worth taking the time to include them in such a trivial list.
Here I'll roast your favourite composers Percy Grainger: compensates for his small dick by being a hardcore white supremacist Scriabin: bro fully descended into madness
Do you know what I love about this video? How every single one of this true in a slanderous kind of way, yet people overreact. Clearly a troll video. Also, Chopin’s orchestration, as a pianist, is not a problem to me. Let the orchestras deal with it. I have to mangle with a hardass concerto that slaps.
People who like the music of those composers don't suddenly start hating them just because those facts. A very illogical way of thinking. Unless you have statistics of people who told so.
Welll the Prokofiev one is definitely not true for Prokofiev lovers but probably true for the rest of the world, but that 6th war sonata you put in its simpely amazing!!!
I personally love Prokofiev, and at least his Romeo and Juliet had been choreographed several times and became so famous... More than Peter and the Wolf for sure
@@sergei-prokofiev I love his 2nd Piano Concerto, what are you talking about 😂 I was just saying Peter and the Wolf isn't even his most famous work, because Romeo and Juliet is known and played worldwide, and I am personally very attached to it because I love the ballet
Handel is better than excellent! I put him way above the 19C romantic twaddle that most people are familiar with. In art, painting stopped after Raphael. In music, after Beethoven.
Tchaikovsky a better orchestrator than Ravel?? Oh really?? I don't see Ravel writing 20 bars of cymbal crashes and triangle trills to end his orchestral works
