WHY YOUR MK7 VW GOLF GTI + R NEEDS AN R600 INTAKE!  

I appreciate all comments and welcome alternative opinions but to criticise Racingline's data and effectively say they are misleading buyers, yet talk about a MAF as a restrictor on this engine when it doesn't actually have one doesn't give your comments much credibility sadly.

Thanks Graeme, definitely will do this in an episode before track event in May 👍🏻

Agreed, I did the pikey mods in stages and the elbow which I did last was what made the difference.

There is a chap with a gti who did lots of tests with intakes and pipes and yes, that intake pipe is the biggest restriction. Change it with stock intake box and it does very well compared to full aftermarket kits.

Elbow will be done in due course. R600 is a big seller so clearly a lot of people like it and there are gains to be had however small

But the gains are zero once you’ve done the pikey R600 mod for free Andrew. £50 elbow and RU-vid pikey R600 video is all you need. Racingline kit sell’s because they’ve infiltrated us with marketing. Reality……. Way overpriced with questionable gains like all their products

Also keeping the engine bay looking all standard is another positive for me 👍

@@simonehayes4911 SO SO TRUE!!!!

I will do all those extra bits in time, just want to fit everything one bit at a time to feel the benefit so appreciate the feedback, will start shopping for them now. 👍🏻

Thanks Arron, how has that conclusion been arrived at? Has someone done testing?

Foam is best for balance of filtration and performance but a pain to clean so the sock can just be taken off and cleaned and put bank on really quickly and easily 👍

@@volkswizard thanks for the reply was curious as was torn between foam and the cotton with the sock as didn’t want just cotton as seen they get dirty and loose the black colour so I just bought the cotton and the sock. Have you done a intake pipe and turbo elbow replacement now?

Thanks Ray. AC seems to drain in the lower bulkhead area. This image shows the drain tube (43) but no body context but has to be lower bulkhead avoiding exhaust webautocats.com/en-gb/etka/volkswagen/golf/746/820220/

@@volkswizard Thanks for that info at least I know where to look under the car now👍

Great to know it’s worked out for you as well Tony 🙌🏻

I didn't even know RL did an open intake. If you look at the RL page where they sell the benefits of R600 (link in vid description), you will quickly work out an open intake with aluminium shielding is never going to work as efficiently as closed intake of PU material. So I think the open intake is for those who care more about noise than actual performance which is fair enough. A lot of mods actually make cars slower (like stiff lowering springs on a typical bumpy UK B road) so I guess they are just responding to demand.

Are you bothered about losing a few bhp for a bit of noise? It would bug me knowing my car was down on power a bit..

Thanks for the replies both! The noise was the main reason for looking into open. Have been looking into stage 2 parts and tune so a slight drop in a hp is still a lot more than standard but the sensible option seems to be the R600. Trouble is any benefits are listed by the companies selling them and negatives are listed by people who don't want to fork out the money lol

@@JoeThomasMTC I have the same car as you on stage 1, did the pikey R600 mods last week, the thing that really made the difference was the turbo elbow in my opinion. I've just done a 500 mile round trip this weekend and throttle response is better and it definitely pulls harder, more difference than I was expecting tbh. I nearly went for the R600 but figured ultimately it's a filter in a plastic box. I do think they look great though and if I wasn't trying to save the pennies on this occasion I would have got one. I remember back in the day taking my 205 1.9 GTI to Demon Tweeks to have a K&N cone filter fitted, on the drive back it was slower than with the standard airbox, which has put me off the open type ever since..

Someone in the States has flow tested a number of induction kits/ intakes and RL was top 3. So they all perform differently, some better than others. mygolfmk7.com/2019/06/racingline-vwr-r600-cold-air-intake-flow-test/

Good tips - thanks Josh. Not sure if you know but I have cotton filter with a foam oversock which cleans a lot more easily than cotton but you still have the better filtration of cotton.

@@volkswizard I did see you had the combo. Would you say the sock is worth it?

Just thought the same thing 🤔

Fair point, Cory. It suits me financially and from a video perspective to spread these out over later episodes so keep a look out over next few weeks

Ah brilliant, well I look forward to see these in the future!

A good question Jake. I guess I just want to feel the benefit of R600 on its own and then fit pipe and elbow later on down the line to keep me interested.

@@volkswizard cheers for the reply, that makes a lot of sense. I did a GFB diverter valve, intake and turbo muffler delete all in one go and can't tell whats responsible for what noises 😂

The larger inlet pipe makes the biggest performance gain, the intake itself is mostly for sound

@@volkswizard i mentioned this in a previous video....the elbow and the turbo muffler delete is most certainly worth doing...lots of whooshes and whistles...personally i wouldn't go for a diverter valve. look forward to you hopefully doing this in the future and see your face Andrew :)

I haven't seen that. TBH I went off K&N a long time ago due to their over oiled filters that killed MAFs and the 57i intake which sucked hot air in and made the car slower. I'm sure it's fine but the name just has associations with badly modified cars, at least here in the UK.

You can mod your airbox and get similar sound but you might be affecting performance unless you can keep engine bay hot air away from the air going into the engine as that's bad for performance.

Racingline to do an R600 Evo which fits Mk7 & MK8 and that's the one I am using as it's exactly the same item I fitted to my Mk8 Clubsport in Dec 2021 with similar results

Isn't that FORD stuff?

​@volkswizard they have a mountunevag division now

It was for sale for quite a while so there've already been a number of people who have told me they nearly bought it. Mk3 TT RS is a great but very different, if I only had one car I'd probably chose the TT too

Thanks so much, really appreciate it 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

Hey ace ace, it's so true of stealthy fast cars than getting them dirty and they just blend in but clean all the little details stand out and people notice them more. 7.5R Estate is a perfect example (more so than 7 as the bumper detail is so much better).

@@volkswizard i said i would never like it but it grew on to me plus being paralysed from a brain heammorrage does not help but remarkable car vw golf r est 7.5 .

Hi Nermin, glad you enjoy the videos! Are we talking oil consumption? If so that consumption is quite high, what car and what oil? Mk5 GTIs use oil but it's made worse by garages using 5w/30 or thinner. 5w/40 is the one to go for, just make sure it conforms to VW's standards as stated in handbook

@@volkswizard I just edited my comment-english is not my strong side lol I’ve got golf 6 gti-it runs great pulls good but it eats a lot of oil. I’m using castrol 5w-30 thinking about switching to 5-40

There must be tests out there to confirm the validity of the R600, seeing as they have they have sold 30,000 of them! They must be well ahead of panel filter - the big difference is the extra intake slot and the surface area of the filter, these are 2x the size of OEM setup and that's very significant

@volkswizard u cld be right. But why is impossible to find evidence . Stock box mod v r600 with officially timed 1/4 times lol...

Thanks Marky!

How can it be snake oil if it sounds better and there is hard data showing it ingests more air per rpm that the standard airbox? By all means say it's expensive for those gains in your opinion. All your mods are great but I've never boiled my factory fluid or suddenly worn through brake pads, but I've lost power at hot track days before hence why R600 is top of my list.

@@volkswizard @volkswizard well all I can say is hard "data" is one thing and feeling it is another so if you think that you can "feel" 5-6 horsepower through your butt then you have a better butt dyno than I have! 😂 Sound improvement was marginal even by your own admission. Moreover if you've never cooked brake fluid in a standard road car on standard brake fluid on track then you haven't been going fast enough! . I guarantee you will absolutely boil your brake fluid and will need a Dot 5 fluid on track if you peddle it properly. And in any case I thought you said you didn't want to break your track "cherry" at the Ring so I have to presume therefore that you are a track newbie and don't appreciate things like the above.. No shame in that but don't start to suggest otherwise. BTW never expect to get the most of any car on track above 30 degrees Celsius. No matter what you throw at it in terms of mods it will usually always pull horsepower due to hear soak all round thankfully we only get a small handful of those days in blighty and Northern Europe..

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I didn't say that did I Jerry?

​@@volkswizard don't know mate, didn't watch video yet, just googled the price mate 🫢

​@@willpark7483 Peckham 😏

@@t5jerry Oh dear, accent’s pierceing enough to wake the dead

Thanks Charles, much appreciated - good to know the videos can appeal to those who are just into cars👍🏻

Don't worry Vlad, I will be upgrading those bits in the near future, I had the R600 already and was meant to do all the extra bits to my Leon Cupra but the Clubsport S will get them, just want to do them 1 stage at a time to feel the individual benefits👍🏻

@@volkswizard that's great news, just what I wanted to hear. Looking forward to seeing the videos drop. Maybe a stage 1 tune also, at least. Would be a pity not to unlock all that available performance. Cheers mate!

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Thanks Malcolm! TBH I cheated as a brand new R600 needs the screw putting in it which IIRC from the Mk8 install video, is a real pain!

Thanks Rich. That would be interesting for sure, the gains with R600 aren’t huge so I can only imagine panel filter will be barely different from stock but you never know, might be better 🤓

Cool, so glad as I enjoy making them

Soundaktor, code it out using a obd 11 device

Yep, bad enough on an R but on a Clubsport S it's criminal. Save weight and remove it fully

Thanks Malc, nice to improve it and drive it 👍

Thanks Keith, full throttle in 3rd to rev limiter is fun, a bit scarey too around half way as it really gets going and isn't as planted as say a Golf R - fear and fun are pretty closely linked I find!

The Clubsport S doesn't come with the underbonnet pad - I think that's the full extent of the soundproofing removal. Elbow will be done soon, have no fear 👍🏻

I know! It’s crazy, that’s how it’s mapped from factory. Normal Clubsport doesn’t do them

@@volkswizard when I went Revo 1 my R stopped doing them unless your flat out.

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Hi Alex, thanks for the offer but I’ve not got the motivation to work on older cars to make money, it’s fine if they are my own to keep as that’s a labour of love 💕

Thanks Daniel, I love it too. In fact I was watching the footage back, saw the seats and thought ‘wow’! You tend to forget about then when sat in them 😁

@@volkswizard I understand! I want to get an MK7 GTI 3D Performance manual in the next few years. I just have to find the perfect one to import from Germany to Denmark. But, oh my god. I have never seen those seats. INCREDIBLE. Also, your car sounds amazing.

There is indeed no *need* for it, much in the same way there is no *need* for a Golf with just 2 seats - it's just *nice* to have

Just done pikey on mine, car pulls a lot harder, best £200 I've spent.