Why Your Songs Don't Work in Clubs (Here's the secret...)

Alice Yalcin Efe - Mercurial Tones Academy

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Do you have problems to make a "club ready" track? Or wonder what makes a song work in a club? If yes, let me show you the secrets.
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00:00 8 Tips for making good club tracks
00:20 1. The exciters
02:21 Exciters can be percussions
02:42 2. The club reverb
04:45 Sub me maybe
05:01 3. Make people feel the groove
05:35 4. The weak buildups
06:50 The real world example
07:22 5. The clear hook issues
08:48 6. The no contrast problem
10:35 7. Breaking breaks
11:40 8. Consant breaks

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24 июн 2024

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@atoms.channel 6 дней назад

"Too long breaks is the vibe killer" - Bene Gesserit EDM

@user-bg1bv2tl7h 2 месяца назад

Very instructive as always. Thanks for sharing great content Alice.

@AlmerosMusicCode 2 месяца назад

Great tips! One other is from deadmau5: keep your bassdrum lowends short or you will end up with resonating boooom boooom booooms in the clubs 😊

@soulpath1 2 месяца назад

unless you make techno then this is desirable on many tracks that have a rumble kick style vibe

@bruhzooka 28 дней назад

boom is for the car when you are cruising down 6th street waking up all the chicken heads

@marcellkovacs5452 4 дня назад

@@soulpath1 yeah, but when you listen to properly produced techno, you will feel waves of bass, not a static low-end, so the rule still applies.

@BertKrus 7 дней назад

Im in love with your speaking voice 🥰🥰🥰

@AFNacapella 2 месяца назад

"when and how to remix/re-arrange a track for your DJ set" could also be an interesting video

@daevinci28 2 месяца назад

This is killer thanks for the perspectives - the music AND video production are top notch!

@adamshatwell 2 месяца назад

Excellent video, you explained things so well. Was really super cool to see the effect of the transitions on the audience in the club setting

@citizenoftheverse4653 2 месяца назад

Great vid as always! Simple, effective, straight to the point!

@cosmin_ofc 2 месяца назад

thanks again for covering this topic again. this is such a stressful topic for me, because I don't have the experience of how the club sound systems react :)

@Kh4rma 2 месяца назад

Wow. You are amazing. Thanks for all your work and advice.

@stayylleh 2 месяца назад

great tips! never thought about the reverbthing in clubs. nice one!

@EzPeasZ 2 месяца назад

Thank you so much for making and sharing these videos with us!! I watch a LOT of educational music production videos, and yours truly provide a unique insight -- very helpful and engaging! I had never heard of you prior to finding one of your videos a few weeks ago, very lucky stumble! -- and your music is absolutely fantastic! That much im sure you already knew, but i was late to the party so i figured id say that here now too 😅🥳

@WBradleyRobbins 2 месяца назад

Good info. Subscribed.. will dig through more of your videos later.

@bitbotrecords 2 месяца назад

Awesome video as always you a great teacher thank you 🎉

@kaiaaldridge 2 месяца назад

WOW. First video of yours that Im watching and I'm blown away by your sound. You immediately gained a new subscriber Thank you for sharing!

@innerstice 2 месяца назад

Great video Alice, thank you!

@martinzokov 2 месяца назад

OMG the bass on that collab with Andrea sounds amazing!! I hope you release the whole song :)

@jhm8614 2 месяца назад

For people looking for “exciters” mostly they are called fills / drum fills if you want something from splice or another sample bank

@MutleeIsTheAntiGod 2 месяца назад

Free drum fills or "breaks" are all over the internet too!

@darrinsiberia 2 месяца назад

Risers... hesitaters... anticipaters..anticipates... fallers...

@francobuzzetti9424 2 месяца назад

i rarely make edm anymore but i watched you when i started (with edm) and i still watch cause you have great info regardless of genre!

@AnateqOfficial 2 месяца назад

Can we give a big thumbs up for the track at 3.40... Mayan, that one hits you right in the face and stomach! Really great video, Alice!

@fazykolektyw 2 месяца назад

Good as always! 😊

@nlhmusicofficial 2 месяца назад

Great video. Super useful.

@gaithouri 2 месяца назад

your stuff is a fresh air out of similar channels on this platform... well done.. i always learn a lot and i enjoy the overal presentation.. very cool... if i ever do a festival again, you are my top priority... thank you

@nemesishacking 2 месяца назад

Wishing you all a happy easter

@Donk.. 2 месяца назад

Happy Easter ❤

@KOSMIKFEADRECORDS 5 дней назад

REALLY good video!! using your own tracks to show winners and losers is AWESOME!!

@francescomilloni 2 месяца назад

The “club simulator” idea blew my mind!!

@thevoiceofamerica2389 2 месяца назад

I have no idea how I got here and I have no clue what you are talking about, but you are drop-dead gorgeous! Subscribed!

@aestheticsignificance 2 месяца назад

great stuff thanks

@cherish9288 2 месяца назад

Wow great stuff yalcin....Can you also do the How to Prepare a good DJ set topic too.,,thank you

@ASDPOWER 12 дней назад

Super useful composition tips hidden here too. the Live footage of how it works is brilliant!!!!!!

@KalaMedia 2 месяца назад

Is the the track we hear at the 'club reverb' part released? It sounds so good! And thanks for the great tips!

@iamdjlotta 2 месяца назад

Amazing vocal tips

@mytechnosnail 2 месяца назад

Also “club simulator” could help to enlarge space. For example, if you use it at a corporate event, which usually takes place in small office spaces. Especially at the beginning of the evening, when everyone is having small talks and music plays as a background.

@JackaTrial 2 месяца назад

You should make a club simulator plugin with acoustica or someone of this sort... great demonstration!

@nemesishacking 2 месяца назад

Always check ur tracks in mono before release!

@Anders01 2 месяца назад

Yes, I was wondering about that. I like the sound of wide basses but they may sound like crap in a club haha. And also, too much low end deadmau5 said that it will sound like a horrible roar/rumble in big club speakers. Not good. At the same time a too weak low end will sound lame in headphones.

@Bonn5656 2 месяца назад

What do you mean in mono, on one side of the headsets on left only for example?

@MiisaelRodrigueez 2 месяца назад

@@Bonn5656 Same signal from both channels, you can do it by putting a utility on your master and tap the mono button

@blazymolds7495 2 месяца назад

Just with one monitor is considered mono?

@TayWoode 2 месяца назад

@@Bonn5656the exact same sound coming from both speakers or headphones so everything sounds like it’s coming from the same place, it’s the opposite of stereo where you can hear where individual tracks are. Are you new to all this? Maybe you should start on some simpler videos until you’ve got the basics that everyone knows about

@chrisfromaus9394 2 месяца назад

Thanks!

@jimlampshady 2 месяца назад

Interesting topic, Alice, and for me, what's most interesting are the technical differences between mixing/mastering for a living room and a club. You did touch on that with some comments about reverb, but I would certainly like more content in that direction. So, how do you deal with EQ and compression when mixing for clubs, for example?

@uv77mc85 2 месяца назад

its helped me immensely. Now the 6 people who hear my track will know it would sound just as crap in a club

@gbigbo_zjebeezjeboo 2 месяца назад

Great tips ! When using the club simulator preset, do you listen in mono (preceding it with eg a Utility with mono on). Assuming that most club systems are mono ?

@jaimeross7507 2 месяца назад

Ali this is Genius!!!!!!!!❤❤❤❤❤

@alessandrog5261 2 месяца назад

Bravissima!❤

@gaborb6577 2 месяца назад

Useful🎉🎹👍

@daniel_du_noy 2 месяца назад

Wow! What is that track from The club reverb part? Sounds 💥💥💥

@michaelfearn83 2 месяца назад

Have you got a link to your latest Ableton Template with the playground etc. Thank you

@sivalaa 2 месяца назад

One trick I found, adding on to the club simulating reverb, you can complete your whole song with the reverb on, only turning it off at the end or periodically to check the raw mix. It helps to pick out the sounds that don't really work in that dynamic and remove them before spending time on something that won't work for the club

@leonpena4174 2 месяца назад

You're fn amazing

@Star_Radar 2 месяца назад

Alice, please release this ID, I totally need it!

@Alice-Efe 2 месяца назад

thank you! Though which one? 😊

@Star_Radar 2 месяца назад

@@Alice-EfeIt's all superb but I fell in love with this piece 2:16

@samikalastaja 5 дней назад

3:08 sounds like a name for the edit: Trackname (Club Simulator Edit / Remix)

@ElectroFlightExplorer 2 месяца назад

Dear Biskuwi, I like your videos...but even much more your music. Could you do more personal videos about your creative process and how you've built some of your masterpieces? Cheers from Paris

@kronosse 2 месяца назад

Been awhile Alice, love the hair.

@jeanlove8510 2 месяца назад

i'd love to attend one of your sets. Im in the UK

@f1rstp3rsonngaming96 16 дней назад

How did you maje that Club Simulator that a great idea

@DaftRebel 2 месяца назад

The "club simulator" got me! hahaha jokes aside, it's an amazing tool!

@Evilepter 13 дней назад

in the groove example, at 5:00, the track that's more difficult to groove to, doesn't have side chaining on the kick.

@JohannesNielsen 2 месяца назад

So your adding a pre build much like I have done with a White noise riser

@BassRebellionMusic 2 месяца назад

Very insightful! 💯

@Yzera_ 2 месяца назад

Im a bit sick of the "silence before drop" i understand the mechanic, it's everywhere, too much. But the thing is that you can do this effect while mixing in live so it doesnt have to be in every track. I know that the build up is important and of course you need it, but there is multiple creative way to create tension so don't fall in the same trick everytime !

@RaKanMusik 2 месяца назад

that makes managing fx tails a pain

@DAW.G 2 месяца назад

I like it I don’t think it’s too bad

@EmanuelZanatta-yp9zy 2 месяца назад

You're looking awesome blonde! Nice video!

@Keroser1983 2 месяца назад

THESE ARE AMAZING!!! Two questions if you will=> - Clubs differ around the world, even in the same town. How do you find the optimum mix that would work in all of them or at least all of them? - What would be difference between HOOK and the LEAD? They are boıth melodic elements so, how do you differentiate?

@Dareyouhow Месяц назад

Great video, it seems like we are all making music with the same 10 vocal samples off splice though ☠️ even loopmaster has all the same vocals haha, I think we need to start giving some singers more business

@marshallore6869 2 месяца назад

What is the song you play in the reverb section?

@askfor666 Месяц назад

wow great

@rcrxninja 2 месяца назад

What track at 7:50, @Alice-Efe?

@Clic-ac 2 месяца назад

Hey, where/when will be your Kate Bush Remix will be released? Thanks in advance!

2 месяца назад

Hi Alice. Could I learn the name of the song at 07:05? Thank you for contents.

@Alice-Efe 2 месяца назад

It is an unreleased ID. It will come in June on Ritter Butzke Records. 😊

@DJModsChannel 15 дней назад

Thanks

@Alice-Efe 15 дней назад

Thank you for the super ❤️

@docteurgreene 2 месяца назад

The tip about club reverb is interesting, but if we force ourselves to not put too much reverb in case the track is played in clubs, there is a risk the track sounds too "dry" when played on radio/CD ? I suppose the DJ's don't play a special version of commercial songs just mixed for clubs?

@PvPResources 2 месяца назад

i think it's all about balance

@user-gn1vx7ij3h Месяц назад

It depends on a speaker system. If you have Function1, it cancels oit all the delays and reverbs

@JimBoom92 8 дней назад

fake news

@AFNacapella 2 месяца назад

may I add: be conscious about your high end. some crash- or clap heavy parts can really hurt in the club if they got sausaged to the levels you need for your bass. this is a mastering issue, but can also be a DJ mess-up or bad resonant rooms. so not always 100% under your control, yet something to keep in mind.

@n1c3s43 2 месяца назад

yeah, left some clubs already cause their mixes REALLY hurt in the ears cause the highend was just wayyy too loud and crash-heavy

@FreeDooMusic 2 месяца назад

its not only a mastering issue. the mix might sound fine on its own but the limiter brings up the high end a bit so it becomes too much. i master my own tracks so i return to the mix and reduce the levels of things becoming too loud in the highs as a result of the compression from the mastering chain.

@AFNacapella 2 месяца назад

@@FreeDooMusic I think we mean roughly the same, you said it better. I haven't mastered not mixing mixing and mastering, yet. yeah, the earlier in the chain you catch the problem, the better.

@JohnHafner Месяц назад

Can you link your Massano System remix?

@Donk.. 2 месяца назад

Just wondering can you be successsful as a music producer if you don't DJ your own songs ??

@BresciGaetano 2 месяца назад

Nice tips but very subjectives and related to a specific music genere. Anyway great contet

@aaronhedgesmusic 2 месяца назад

Maybe sometime you could use these sorts of examples on something a bit more house? I like your videos but that example tracks are almost always these melodic techno tracks. Thanks 🙏 ❤

@chipmonkjedi 2 месяца назад

That second track is dope. Can I hear the whole track somewhere?

@uv77mc85 2 месяца назад

at the club?

@yussmusic_ 2 месяца назад

The best

@sensationsuperthrust 6 дней назад

apparently certain people never have been in a proper underground house club

@JohannesNielsen 2 месяца назад

So your layering the vocals

@bananoconleche 2 месяца назад

Heyy! Audio a little bit off from the video (in ableton), constructive critic😁

@tru7hhimself 2 месяца назад

please show this video to as many producers as possible in all different genres. if i'm partying and straying too much from darker underground sound i'm always bombarded with music that has way too many and too long breaks which totally kills the flow.

@jacksolarmusicmastering 2 месяца назад

07:47 song name?

@ricknox469 2 месяца назад

Tried to download the preset , it said broken and I couldn’t load it on ableton

@Alice-Efe 2 месяца назад

you mean the link is broken?

@ricknox469 2 месяца назад

@@Alice-Efe yeah it said that preset couldn’t load , the file is broken. Thats the message I got in ableton

@Alice-Efe 2 месяца назад

@@ricknox469 Try downloading again. and you are having the latest version of 11?

@ricknox469 2 месяца назад

@@Alice-Efe I tried downloading again, still the same issue and yes I have the latest version of 11

@cloudbeats4301 2 месяца назад

I have the same problem. I sais, it can only load audio effects, maby were installing it the wrong way?^^

@uv77mc85 2 месяца назад

A club? I have never been near one. What do people do in them?

@dynamikmsc 2 месяца назад

🥰

@djvickproducer 8 дней назад

10:12!!! ♥

@nikosdanelakis3613 2 месяца назад

👍👍🙌🙌🙌🙌✌✌

@blaskedryck 2 месяца назад

I didn't know your artist name til now lol 😂

@renek.6434 2 месяца назад

How do you know my tracks are not working in clubs?

@RicDolore 2 месяца назад

Best way is to play them in a club and mingle with the crowd for a minute or less. It looks like you are mingling while you’re playing. But you are really testing your tunes.

@niccko 2 месяца назад

That's exactly the face I make when I listen to techno 0:46

@Djdonkestein 2 месяца назад

Malatyalımısn abla cevap niye vermiyon ayıp

@piotrjacobi2742 День назад

This girl is the best. (stereotypes).

@djdiegomolina 2 месяца назад

Aaahhh ya te has engordado ,jejeje

@rstoeckler 8 дней назад

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 PAUSE -> DROP

@maxs489 2 месяца назад

"Have you ever made a track that you knew was a banger?" Oh, she's not talking me. *skips vid* 😅

@heathbrady8510 2 месяца назад

Well, I LIKE the blonde, Alice🌻😃 Can you please write the title of that royksopp remix and put me out of my damn drain bramaged misery?!😂 current status : ‘perpetual searchtard ‘ I’m failing as a digital hunter/gatherer.🙏

@b00ts4ndc4ts 2 месяца назад

Yuck AI turns me off, support live artists.

@ild4099 2 месяца назад

If clubs cause additional reverb, it's their job to invest in better walls and make the music sound great in the room, it's not our job to make our tracks dry as hell

@marshallore6869 2 месяца назад

Great point

@nougatbitz 2 месяца назад

Hmm, they will never do it due to economics. Great artists have to make the best from the stage they are provided with. The majority of people don’t go to clubs for a high fidelity experience, and if you do you are in for a lot of disappointments I think.

@ViktorNova 2 месяца назад

This is just the reality of large spaces. Some big clubs do invest in lots of acoustic treatment to control reverb, but there are many more who don't and we need to accept this fact as producers.

@darrinsiberia 2 месяца назад

But if you're performing live. No Harm in starting dry. Doing a sound check. Adding reverb as needed.

@digitalbeat666 6 дней назад

good but autotune makes it sound bad

@KOSMIKFEADRECORDS 5 дней назад

what is these genres?... does not sound like EDM... its more old-school and rock'n'rolly!!!

@neilyardley3892 18 часов назад

I guess it's okay if it club music you wish to make. What about rave music!.. Clubs have changed and there crap now and full of unsociable ego maniacs.

@kategoss5454 2 месяца назад

I feel a lil bit weird about using someone's voice through an ai tool, especially someone from such a diff background as the person shown in the Soul graphic:( idk with some of the things the ppl who created house and techno have been saying about white folks using Blackness as a way to take the aesthetic values of their experience without having to work with Black people, I feel we should just work with real performers and share our profits at the very least