WHY your vinyl NEEDS the BEST Tonearm & Turntable: I visit Origin Live 

Whilst production value is nice and helps, content is king and I enjoyed this video. Thanks for posting.

Excellent, excellent! Well done! I've learned a great deal.

"Mr. Baker"? Remember, it's a family business, so I guess, there are more than one "Mr. Baker," when you have your sons working for/with you? 😂

@jeffking722 What is your favorite recording to demonstrate the quality of your setup over other rigs?

I agree that this video is very good indeed. The thing about the arm improving the whole sound is very true. When I bought a Skale counter weight for my Ekos there was a sonic improvement. accross the board.

Interesting question who is the guest me or him :)

@@PursuitPerfectSystem You Terry! Haha, great having you here too!

Thanks Ben appreciate it

Thanks very much David

@tonywillans7556 A very simple test might be to attach a tiny high-sensitivity accelerometer to both the base of the TT and to the top of the balanced pivot point of the tonearm and measure the ratio of signal from the stylus/vinyl interface that transfers to the tonearm as well as the external floor vibration influence to the same and to the base. There are even small, self-contained accelerometer units that will record the data onto internal flash memory that could be put onto the rotating vinyl platter itself, or wireless BT and WiFi accelerometers as well.

The cost of LP,s puts me off never mind the cost of the turntable, arm and cartridge.

Yes that is a very real world complaint but its quite fun collecting them, you feel differently about owning music compared to streaming where its all meaningless.

@@PursuitPerfectSystem I agree, PPS.. I think the problem for a lot of younger people today, and sometimes older is that music is a disposable medium. That wasn’t our intent 50 years ago.

@@PursuitPerfectSystem You can do that with £3 CDs off music magpie. Vinyl prices have gone up a lot the last few years.

@@itsonlyme9938 It's a bit of a 'ritual' to enjoy LPs. Tons of hassles to be honest but very enjoyable in its own way... Digital Music (CD's, SACD's, Streaming) are so much more practical and convenient....

Maybe I will in the future but this video was meant to be aimed at beginners like me to start to build an understanding of why.

@@PursuitPerfectSystem I don’t think you are a beginner, you seem to be very knowledgeable in your videos

With vinyl playback I am a beginner

Terry's done very well with the limitations of a 27 minute video, and a day to record. We would love to release more! Great question on Uni-Pivot arms. one of the advantages of Unipivot is the freedom of movement in the vertical plane which in theory is a fantastic notion, however, the problem of a free pivot is the azimuth: you want the arm to be able to pivot up and down, but not to pivot from side to side. Uni-pivot arms require mechanisms similar to bearing houses, or other solutions to keep the azimuth of the uni-pivot stable. These mechanisms usually result in added friction. Our dual pivot design avoids this by simply adding a second pivot point to stabilise azimuth without needing to introduce other multi-part assemblies around the pivot that add friction and with that the potential for more vibration/loss of fluidity. This isn't to slate all Uni-pivots, but just to address the underlying issue.

Am I one of the other figures Lindsay, I do hope so 😀

Both! drop us an email and we'll let you know :)

To be honest that was in their demo room but I put that there to fill the gap, I wouldn’t read too much into from this. Concentrate on the TT stuff

Ahh thanks for clarifying that! I'm always intrigued by what one manufacturer chooses as the other components in their system but I guess I should not read too much into that as you wrote. A lot of interesting details on the history of OL and their solutions to the turntable design problems.

Hi Marc, they're a pair of AVI DM10s, a company that has unfortunately closed its doors. Great little active monitors if you can find them too! - They do require a sub.

It depends on the turntable and how its made but you probably can yes

@@PursuitPerfectSystem Thats very interesting and opens a whole new world to me. I‘ll be contacting mofi to ask for details.

Good question David, in short, no. we're not keeping anything downwind, Each model comes with additions to the design, not subtraction's. Each model is a giant killer at it's price point, because it's performance is so much better than comparatively priced products, and many products on the market that cost an awful lot more. At the end of the day budget limits the capability of a design. Another firm's 2-3k top model will have just as many limitations if not more. Not to mention the limits of the design philosophy. Try to look for what makes a turntables design unique in it's price range, and listen where you can. Just because a product is a flagship does not mean it's the superior product in the whole market. On the upside, we offer trade in's for those who buy our product and want to move up in our range!

@@OriginLiveInfo Thankyou for the reply which answers many of the thoughts. I will be coming down and listening as I would like the best sound - subjectively of course - I can get from my vinyl. I have only recently started again and bought a system and collected many of the LPs from my youth to relisten. I have not been disappointed with myPro-ject turntable (upgraded with Acrylic platter, aluminium sub platter and blue from red Ortofon stylus plus isolation board etc. The problem is I read and listen to all this good advice and want to see where I can improve... a constant problem.

@@davidoliver7977 Please get in touch with an email; you'd be more than welcome to come in and run a demo or comparison. Just as you say, cutting through the jargon and listening with your ears can be difficult.

Michael Fremmer tells me that DAC designers in Silicon Valley are starting to design Turntables because digital still has many hidden and complex problems that are seldom realised till you get really deep into it.

Bob one of these days your going to cave in same as me, might as well get it over with as there is a lot to learn and enjoy spinning the black plastic

@@PursuitPerfectSystem 😊👍🏼😂😂😂 obviously you got my tongue-in-cheek bent.

@@MarkBaker-xi1qt That view is up for serious debate. 🤷🏻‍♂️ Can you please cite one DAC manufacturer that is/has recently designed a turntable to ad to their line of DACs?

@@bobb.9917 Better take it up with Fremer 😉

The only real way to know how things stack up is to do direct comparisons. We offer a one month money back guarantee and encourage people to use it. I'm very sorry about your illustrious.

@Kowinaida Obviously there are some £10k turntables out there that the Swift won't outperform, but it will easily outperform a Rega Naia, Linn Selekt, Pro-Ject Signature, or VPI Prime among many other similarly priced brands. Many of our customers have compared the Calypso To a Linn Klimax, Technics SL1000R, even Technics Decks, and favoured the Calypso. Not quite in that region, but we recently ran a demo for a customer between their Oracle Delphi and a Calypso, and the difference the Calypso made was astonishing. The incentive to spend more is simply in the fact that you get better sound for your money with OL turntables - If you had a budget of 10k I'd reccomend the Sovereign, and you'd be hard pressed o find a turntable anywhere that would outperform it - this is why many reviewers, editors and manufacturers use it as their reference.

@@OriginLiveInfo I'm sure the Swift is an extremely well built and engineered turntable and sounds fantastic, but how do you know it will easily outperform a Rega Naia when the Naia hasn't been released for sale yet?

​@@andrewburns7873 Great question! First and foremost because at this performance level, the philosophy of Lightweight Rigidity is incoherent. Not only is vibration coming from the motor, but also from the ground and from the cartridge itself. Making something not only rigid but also lightweight can only exacerbate structural vibration. Because we acknowledge that some vibration always occurs in the motor, the ground and the cartridge: 1. Our motor is decoupled from the plinth. 2. Our deck features a form of suspension (cantilevered- a non-sprung sort of mechanical suspension.) and decoupling of the arm-board 3. Our bearing has 3x lower friction than anything else on the market I've seen and again, is decoupled from the plinth. And that really is just the start, but I don't want to make this comment too long 👍

Details here for you www.originlive.com/ways-to-order/

I agree, in this hobby I think you just set your budget and say that’s good enough. Sure, I’d love a $3,000 tone arm and $4,000 turntable etc but at this point in life, that’s not possible. There’s always a peace in just being content.

its the same for speakers amplifiers dacs and pretty much everything

Robert you're right it is indeed confusing! We try to make things as clear as possible, which hopefully comes through when reading our website. It is the same with any market where marketing exists. We try to stress that comparative listening tests are the only place you can really cut through the jargon, and listen with your ears rather than your eyes. We offer a 30 day moneyback guarantee on all of our products so that you can conduct a demonstration in your own home, against your own product, in your own system. I'd suggest trying a Conqueror or Enterprise tonearm if you are interested in upgrading, and if it's not to your tastes, just return, no questions asked! If you get in touch you'd also be welcome to drop in and conduct a comparitive listening test with your deck and an OL in our listening room.

Just find one you like and let them talk :-)

That said, I've only ever heard good things about Origin Live products.

Hi Thomas, thank you for your comment, and perhaps the "Mechanical diode" notion that we follow needs some clarifying. It may be difficult for me to do that without revealing some of the secret sauce behind our designs. When we use the term Mechanical Diode, we are referring to vibrational energy travelling in one direction. And that is our aim. We are aiming to get the energy to travel away from the cartridge and platter. It's something that came from our early stand design: similar techniques are used by SolidSteel or Hi-Fi Racks and offer high-performance products: there is something here that's working. This doesn't mean all of our products perfectly model the theory, although they do model it a lot better than relative products on the market, and clearly, some of our products do this better than others, which is why they create a higher level of performance. Now what we are not saying is that we have achieved a perfectly functioning Mechanical diode. Otherwise, there would be no need for our huge range of tonearms and turntables, and there would be little difference between them. However we do follow this model of thinking as a driving force behind our design, and it still holds validity in the way one thinks about joints, materials, masses etc. All of these factors and so many more make an impact on vibrational energy, and depending on where you implement them, it will affect the vibration. And so our design follows that we are trying to implement these factors in positions where they will help energy to travel away from the Cart and platter - and that is possible. The examples you provide are valid. However, they are a little simplistic. There are a multitude of forces at work when vibration travels through a material; some materials will slow down a vibration, sometimes a combination of materials will disperse it, some joints will reflect less, or change its direction, and that's not to mention suspension. Again let me clarify we are not saying we have made a perfectly functioning mechanical diode, but decades of experimentation along this line of thinking have led us to believe that there is something in the pursuit of making one that is working.

Mark Baker owner of OL is a former ship builder so I am pretty sure its a fair bit of both measuring and listening

12 inch arms are a good comprise to reduce tracking distortion etc. We are looking into linier tracking as there are other advantages beside tracking distortion the issue is we have not yet found a way to may a linnier one sound better yet.

@@lukebaker8263 I get your drift and agree a 12" arm is clearer, sharper, more exact etc....but compromise is what I am trying to avoid. I have also found a cartridge may sound better in a 9" than in a 12" arm, and then sounds terrible on a Thales and vice versa - I use Thales as it is my only basis for zero track experience and there must be many tech reasons for the difference - just have to listen to your dad here discussing some of the tech issues of which I have almost zero knowledge. But let's be clear, I salivate for one of your turntables and when you get the linear solution I am sure it will be a killer. But can I wait??? Hmm, probably not. So, a Thales on an Origin?? Untested, but..now, which of the kiddies piggy banks can I raid for 60 grand...have to be all of them and the wife's!

@@mythos5809 What Luke is getting at is that there is an inherent compromise in Linear trackers. You get the benefit of low distortion, but with the added components necessary to track in a linear fashion, you tend to add resonance which muddies the sound quality. Despite this we are exploring it, and looking for a solution! Our turntables are compatible with almost anything, and none of our turntables cost £60k. The Swift shown in this Vid is £2,290, the Sovereign Turntable starts at £6,800. Our cost no object turntable the Voyager starts at £24,0000

@@OriginLiveInfo It would be really great if you can find or develop a working cost effective solution. Should you get to marry, let's say, a Thales arm to your Voyager turntable I would be delighted to hear the result. I don't consider the Thales turntable a must (the battery feature puts me off) , but the arms are a huge step in the right direction. Oh so close, yet so far...

I think given the video is 90% general topic talk and about 10% company products focused I think this is the least like a promotional video of this type you will find. I think there is a huge amount of important information here that’s relevant for every vinyl enthusiast hence the title of the video. I think with vinyl going the extra mile pays more dividends for sound quality than with most other things in a hifi system such is the nature of the technology in general

@@PursuitPerfectSystem Fair comment. Mine is just a matter of where to draw the limit? Like I said, sometimes it all gets taken a wee bit too far. When is another incremental improvement enough? At what point does it no longer matter? I do like hearing different views on the subject, though.

You’re right, the record is before the turntable in the rubbish in rubbish out story. However, it’s not the source. That honour goes to the musicians, of course. In the world of music reproduction, there is a point at which the source for each medium, LP, CD, stream etc diverges and that point of divergence is the mastering studio. This is one of the reasons why so many people are opting for vinyl. Mastering for digital sources has become a race to make the recording sound as loud as possible by introducing massive compression and limiting to the sound. This can’t be done to vinyl records because the stylus wouldn’t track a brick wall mastered record and hence the greater dynamic range and space in the reproduction of vinyl records. Having said all that, not all vinyl records are created equal. Many people invest heavily in audiophile pressings which sound spectacular. In the end though, whatever the recording, a high quality deck and arm will enable any given cartridge to dig more detail from the groove. Spending the money at this end of the chain is a great investment. You can always catch the rest of the system up later.

The recording is 50% in my mind.

Good question, but a simple answer is: Vinyl on a shelf doesn't play music; it's the interaction of the vinyl and cartridge mounted to tonearm & turntable that produces an analogue signal. There are differences in quality between Vinyl's yes, but there is a difference in quality of the tool you are using to extract the signal from the grooves. Think about the difference between a ruler and caliper, or even a micrometre. All measure size, but they don't all have the same result in terms of resolution or performance.

@@OriginLiveInfo thanks for your reply, I’m interested to know that if you buy one of your turntables and a really good Mc cartridge to suit, surely doesn’t that read the record well, but also pick up all the pops & crackles as well, I’m a person that buys british made (not british companies but made in TPRC), I suppose if you’re paying £47k for a turntable you’ll probably pay £3k for a record cleaner, so my question is if your not spending a lot of time and money cleaning your records, maybe your best of buying a less accurate turntable to not pick up all the faults that are all to present on lps , or maybe when the music starts it drowns out the pops etc and you get a fantastic listening experience. I’m a Rega customer but look upon people who pay £47k for a turntable like some people look at people who drive Ferrari’s, I could never afford one but I’d love a listen, maybe one day, but I love your company and until your interview with Terry I’d never heard of you , my system cost £2.5k tt, amp, speakers, but my Rega turntable cost £1.3k, and I think to get the same experience from 0’s and 1’s you’ll have to spend a lot more, I’d love to know what you would recommend as suitable amp & speakers (medium room) to pair with your entry level table, give me something to aim for, thanks for your reply and respect to you and your family a breath of fresh air, best of luck although watching the interview I don’t think you’ll need it. Kind regards

@@kkjrees You'd be surprised how well a good Mc Cart and phono stage play through the pops and crackles. I'd recommend getting anti-stat sleeves for your vinyl and using a spin-clean which is only around £70. A less accurate TT will actually be affected more by a records faults, rather than play through them. Feel free to email in for any advice on our products and pairing, and remember, while we do make £47k decks, our range starts at £1,590!

I appreciate your response and I trust you could sense my admiration for your products. I most certainly was not being negative about your products just the use use the term "mechanical diode" that was not helped by your poor explanation of its application in your tonearms. I also think you are being a tad disingenuous in saying not concerned about your reputation, that flies in the face of brand management best practise and also common sense. I will leave the last word to you, ATB Paul @@OriginLiveInfo

@@paulbristow320 I appreciate what you are saying. Although you are perhaps asking for more than a 30-minute video allows. I said in my comment that we're not concerned about our reputation regarding our belief in mechanical diodes. That's not disingenuous, that's transparency.

To be fair I was there to learn why turntables and tone arms in particular are important for sound quality and I think that was answered exceptionally well

I don’t think that is ever the goal of an analogue designer but sounding like analogue is the goal of a lot of digital designers. Worth considering that one isn’t it.

You misreading the times. It was like that before Brexit.

Sorry we'll hire a stand-up for the next one so it's more entertaining 👍

As a geek - I thought he was excellent 🙂