Why Yu-Gi-Oh! Gemini Monsters Failed Horribly 

"Why is Gemini Elf not a gemini?"... Someones gotta ask the real questions here

Why do they all have sick artwork tho

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Generic "But they're good in Duel Links" comment

I still remember how much of a pain all those gigaplant loop nonsense were.

I just remember Il Blud being absurdly expensive upon release when Zombies became relevant back when Card of Safe Return was still legal.

been playing geminis in Duel Links, and having a Darkstorm Dragon that acts like a pseudo Heavy Storm feels pretty nice ngl

Oooh... this will be a series I see!, from what I have seen union's and flips have actually gotten MUCH better so perhaps Spirits should be next?, considering just like Gemini's they were supposed to have these powerful effects with a gimmicky cost (looking at Yata lock).

I hadn't ever seen Il Blud till today. Thanks for showing me the most horrifying piece of artwork ever created

You forgot to mention there Fusion Monster that doesn't do anything except changing them into effect monsters

Might be cool to see a new "species" of gemini monsters that were considered normal monsters in the deck and hand

you forgot to mention Superalloy Beast Raptinus its a fusion monster its effect is: all Gemini monsters on the field gain their effects.

i really like cards like Red eyes black flare dragon, and Chithonian Emperor Dragon

The cool thing about this channel is that dzeff talks about stuff other YGO channels dont

I always wanted Gemini monsters to be good, because I saw a potential there, and actually liked some of the cards. I really hope that Konami adds some support via link monsters or some new specifically Gemini support cards.

What are your opinions on the gemini red-eyes effect.... lul

Gigaplant/Ill bud remains as the only legit great gemini desings, where the gemini part is used elegantly to balance the cards that would be absolutely busted for theirs time as normal once per turn cards.

Never been Gemini Summoned? Haha, you've obviously have never seen auto-duel AI on Duel links Gemini Summon Alius instead of summoning one of the 3 or 4 other monsters in my hand.

This was super cool. I was not too familiar with geminis, they were already out of fashion when I came back to the game, but this gave me some ideas for some...interesting decks...

i used to run a gemini deck semi competitively during the xyzs era and they can be pretty good if your willing to give them the time the big thing is you either have to give them support or use them to give support the card DOUBLE SUMMON does work for gemini summoning ( which makes me wonder why they made super double summon) and using monsters like MARAUDING CAPTAIN and GIANT RAT are both super useful in getting them onto the feild (as well as using two marauding captains to temporarily lock the field while you gemini summon). BLAZEWING BUTTERFLY, while not the best card can be useful if special summoned first, so you dont waste a normal summon, and can act as a decent monster reborn for your geminis. I also find that GEMINI SUMMONER is a useful card, its not a gemini monster but for the cost of 500 LP you can summon one from your hand or give a monster on the feild their effect. you got 8000LP might as well use them. and finally GEMINI SOLDIER is a card that once a turn isnt destroyed, and lets you special summon geminis form your deck every time its in battle. There are also other cards that give geminis their effects or help summon them (like the fusion monster) but the ones i mentioned are the best for it a lot of the gemini monsters are pretty bad, but quite a few of them are decently good GOGGLE GOLEM is a 4 star monster that gets 2100 ATK with its effect without a negitive (it can be summoned with giant rat) ANCIENT GEAR KNIGHT can attack without activating trap cards, and with 1800 ATK its not to shabby FUTURE SAMURAI lets you banish a monster in your GY to destroy any monster on the field which can be great especally as a D.D. support Skelesaurus is a good way to build up early defence in a game by letting you steal monsters it destroys, and makes for an amazing zombie support card DARK VALKYRIA is in my opinion the best low level gemini, gaining 300 ATK for every spell counter on it. (you get 1 when you gemini summon it) and removing a spell counter lets you destroy a monster on the feild, if you have cards producing spell counters, this card becomes a monster on the feild. recomended use with CRUCADER OF ENDYMION RED EYES BLACK FLAIR DRAGON is an ok card that does its ATK as damage to your opponent if it was in battle that turn PHOENIX GEARFREID and KNIGHT DAY GREPHER make an amazing combo together letting you cycle equip cards in and out of the graveyard to negate spell cards DARKSTORM DRAGON is ok, clearing the feild of spell and trap cards, but i find it to be too situational because of geminis need of them im not sure about chem critters as i havent used them, but i find that the geminis that are used to support specific architypes that arnt gemini tend to be pretty bad GEMINI BOOSTER and GEMINI TRAP HOLE are decent cards for them as the architype gives you enough ways to bring back gemini monsters from the GY like i said i used them to and ok success (roughly 80% win rate for my gemini/gardna deck) at local tournaments, but this was befor pendulum summoning, so im not sure how they would fare nowadays.

Forgotten about Raptinus, did you? Gemini had some sick plays with Superpolymerisation (can be substituted with Flash Fusion), De-Fusion and Future Fusion. Add Tuned Magician and Supervise to that which came out later and gave access to pretty much all Level 6 - 10 Synchromonster that didn't need a specific tuner or were Accel Synchro and above that. If Konami ever decides to give them some Linkmonster support the deck will be playable with all these combos again.

I do love using Skelesaurus in Duel Links when I play a Zombie deck. While it's Gemini effect turns it back into a EARTH Dinosaur-Type (which I love lore wise just because of the concept of a dinosaur skeleton coming back to life), it does steal opponent's monsters which you can then use as Tribute fodder (which is still relevant in Duel Links). Also, it's great with the Field Spell "Wasteland" because it doesn't matter if it's either a Zombie or a Dinosaur, it still keeps the +200 ATK. Again, in the context of Duel Links, a 1900 ATK beater (when using Wasteland) that steals monsters is pretty decent. Plus, since it turns anything it steals into a Zombie, Wasteland powers up whatever you steal and the original Type won't mess up your strategy, like a built in mini-Zombie World.

I think the reason there were all of these weird restrictions was an example of future proofing. Perhaps over compensating, but still a sound concept. For example, I saw in on of your structure deck reviews there was a card that brought one equip spell from the grave, but it could not be used for the rest of that turn. Say it did not have the downside, but then later they added an equip card that only had it's effect if it had been in the graveyard at one point. Then, a card that could pull it from the graveyard and immediately play it could be over powered. This isnt meant to be a criticism of your video, i just really enjoy the concept of future proofing and i like your videos! Keep up the awesome work!

I remember running dark valkyrie in my fairy deck. So it was basically vahalla to special, gemini summon, pop a monster on field, direct attack. Though that effect isn't very useful lately due to all the destruction protection.

I played a neo-spacian deck for a while. I used Neos Alius because it turns out that protecting him for a turn and re-normal summoning him can sometimes be easier than summoning the regular neos. But the deck was bad though.

The reason they failed it is simple. You have to normal summon them 2 times. And you can only normal summon 1 time per your turn. So too slow.

Yanno Gemini monsters could have just had 2 attributes or types like Dinosaur/Warrior instead of the shit we got.

I thought red-eyes archfiend was a good Gemini monster. I even use it competitively here and there. But I can see what you mean by the Gemini cards being usually bad.

I remember how 1 copy of crusader of endymion was played as an extra neos alius just because it has everything of value alius has aside of the name Also you forgot to mention how honest was ran in this deck too at some point. But thats ok.

I bet you are going to say, "they are so bad" 3 or more times

Dragon spirit of white is the best “Gemini “ monster to date hands down

Red eyes archfiend of lightning is actually very good. A lot of monsters have low/no defense so a once per turn essentially raigeki is good, the problem is that it’s a red eyes monster

inb4 a farfa abridged video where it explains they are shit because you have normal summon them twice.

I can’t stand see cards with crazy good artwork be unplayable

Why did I watch this. I have never even played Yugioh or owned and of its cards...

I ran a playset of Dark Valkyria because she was an 1800 beater that worked with Dark Creator and Future Fusion. Looking back, she was a pretty big part of the deck, but the only time I'd ever use her effect was after special summoning her from the Graveyard.

The other playable Gemini mons benefit more from other support (dragon, red-eyes, chemicriter) but I feel like “woodland archer” is an excellent card design. Also “super alloy” Playable here meaning synergetic on a casual level.

A few years back I had a Gemini build that wasn’t terrible it revolved around rank four xyz and level 8 synchcros. It wasn’t bad and I scraped out a few tops at locals. However it flopped after ROTA was re-limited. Gemini Scorpion was a key card

Lol make rescue badger, and have it special summon 2 level 4 or lower gemini monsters. or something

Time to build a pendulum Gemini deck

I still have most of my gemini cards from an old structure deck. They were my favorites as a kid and later the deck I used for a 5Ds D&D mashup. Later though I found Madolches and never looked back.

Reeeetttt my Skelesaurus got an OTK this one time where I boosted its attack up and killed a 9000 attack monster after switching it to defence mode with a spell then getting Skelesaurus' Gemini Effect off and taking it and OTKing my opponent SCREEEECH

You forgot to mention their synergy with normal monster support though.

when the structure deck came out i took 3 of it and almost won my locals with it. came in second to some cyber dragon ftk otk deck. and that was back when locals still embraced the traditional format. - Danger!

I'd love to see spirits come back in one way or another. Had a lot of fun with dark dust spirit back in the day.

Way they could fix it is make it so the 2nd effect activates when 1 gemini monsyor is on the feild also change some the weaker ones to special summon from the hand to get the combo going

I wish for a gemini lycanthrope deck. That involves having beast type 'Wolf' monsters that are gemini along with warriors/ maybe spellcasters to help bring them out or bring out their powerful effects. That it is also a ritual/fusion/ maybe synchro deck that its strategy is to get as many of your gemini wolf monsters on the field or graveyard as much as possible. For your big lycanthrope ritual/fusion/ and maybe synchro to get some extra boost from their effects.

Your thoughts on Dark Valkyria? One of my personal fave gemini cards

You can easily fix the problem of gemini monsters which you talked about having too many "normal" monsters in your deck that requires extra support to work: Pendulum gemini monsters. Give them pendulum effects that allow you to treat targeted/all gemini monsters to gain effects. On top of that, you can given them an easy to summon link monster that further gives you quick access to Raptinus.

I mostly agree about the usefulness of gemini monsters, but I would like to throw Red-Eyes Flare Dragon and Red-Eyes Archfiend of Lightning as being two more at least semi-useful gemini monsters, especially with all of the Red-Eyes support that can allow them to be special summoned so that the normal summon does not feel as wasted as it does with most other geminis.

Well. I feel this is all pretty accurate. I've even tried making a Gemini deck in the past (Before Catalyst) and it didn't function very well, despite the cards to get them on the field quickly and get the effects going. They are very slow, and kinda clunky, and as stated, you can't even use rescue rabbit, or any effects that would nab a normal out of the deck because they aren't considered normal there. If they were, they'd be marginally better, but even then still too slow to be competitive for the most part. Though if you're just building it for a fun duel, with a taste of challenge to get the win in most cases, then yes Gemini can be fun sometimes.

There’s only one way to fix Gemini monsters: 1) Make it so that they’re always treated as Normal and Effect monsters in the hand, deck, and GY 2) Make it so they can be summoned as normal or effect monsters or make it so that you don’t require an unused normal summon to Gemini summon Those are the only things that’ll make today’s meta not only want to play them, but warrant all the stupid restrictions Konami put on them

You should do a discussion on Toons

didn't Valkria and Crusader of Endymion see some play for a time in spell counter decks?

Crusader of Endymion is a pretty useful Genini monster, when played in the correct deck. I’ve got a dedicated Endymion deck (my Pendulum Magicians) which benefits greatly from it. I just use a Pendulum summon for it, then Normal summon to get a bonus Spell Counter every turn. It’s level 4, 1900 base attack, and hits 2500 attack if you use it’s ability to place a counter somewhere. Pair that with a Defender, who can use counters from ANYWHERE to save any spell caster, along with your two Endymion Pendulums and the Endymion field spell, you’re set for life. Helps my own deck has a crazy number of spells to increase counters as well, a couple Soell caster equip cards for extra defense and/or power, and a good few of the cards let me search the deck for more spells or Pendulum monsters. And can’t forget Magical Blast, which I can place back in hand instead of draw as long as it’s in the graveyard. That combo usually shuts down most other decks sonce they can’t penetrate my defenses without the help of cards like Zombie World

Catalyst Field was used in certain Red Eyes variants. Didn’t help Red Eyes too much though, since said variant was kinda slow.

I was thinking about a quick play spell card for gemini: “You can only activate a card with [this card name] once per turn. After this card activates, special summon one level four or lower gemini monster from your deck and one from your graveyard in face up defense position, then, immediately after this card resolves, normal summon a monster. You cannot special summon other monsters during the turn this card is activated except normal monsters.”

I think the only thing that never happened was a card similar to " Heart of the underdog " but for Gemini monsters... it would make their archetype back then and maybe now really good

6:36 - Wouldnt Shadow Delver work with Skull Servant King?

My take on how to make Geminis good: Geminis that inherently special summon, or cards which special summon Geminis specifically; Geminis that are extra deck monsters that are absurdly good; tuner Geminis; link Geminis with absurd effects (think Firewall Dragon's effects); ritual Geminis; and a field spell that makes Geminis get treated as Normals in the hand and deck as well as the field and graveyard, to proc all the crazy normal support.

Shadow Delver doesn't allow itself to atk directly, it allows ANY lvl4 or lower dark monster to. And with Evil Hero Infernal Gainer and Imprisoned Queen Archfiend both hitting similar criteria in the same era I think I can see why the restriction on his effect was a thing. Also as mentioned the Red-Eyes geminis are pretty ok. Also they had Super Alloy and Brutdrago. Would be nice to see them get a link support tbh.

Maybe they should change the effect unluck condition to "One other gemini monster is summoned to your field while this card is on your field". That could potentially unluck multiple in a single turn due to special summons, and would still fit the "Gemini spirit"

I think it would be really cool if there would be cards that would have a different effect on a gemini monster depending on if it was gemini summoned or not. That way not gemini summoning one of your monsters can sometimes be beneficial over gemini summoning it. The way I see it the cards should propably have stronger, but more focussed effects on gemini summoned monsters, while having more flexible, supportive effects on normal summoned ones. This doesn't have to make gemini's a valid archetype on their own, but maybe they can become good support monsters.

Feels bad when you have to describe an old deck I used to play, as if no one has ever heard of it before. Gemini Spark was so fun.

Something they can try are continuous spell and trap cards that gives them their effects while they're in zones close to the monsters. Very similar to how Weathery spells and traps work, but they can give them effects that give thwir users an advantage when they leave the field by an opponent's card effect. They can be part of a gemini arquetype or simply more gemini support.

Two combos I've done were Azure Eyes Gemini build and Darkstorm Dragon Supervise to nuke the backrow or pitch Blazewing resurrect with monster reborn then Supervise get two monsters (usually Red Eyes Archfiend or Red Eyes Flare) normal summon the Supervise special summon. Bricky but fun to try

I click away every time someone uses Red-Eyes Fusion to fuse Red-Eyes Black Flare Dragon and Red-Eyes Archfiend of Lighting directly from the deck. But a good strategy I found is Red-Eyes Black Flare Dragon equipped with Dragon Shield. Dragon Shield prevents it from being destroyed and neither player takes any battle damage from battles involving the equipped card. However if you activate the gemini effect of the dragon you can inflict 2400 effect damage to your opponent each time that card battles. Combine that with Archfiend Black Skull Dragon and perhaps Red-Eyes Black Flare Metal Dragon and your opponent will have a hard time.

Featherizer to send what ever card you want to the grave yard Gemini summoner to special summon during your openness end phase to normal summon during your main to gain effect. Blazewing with supervise to bring out 2 Gemini monsters sent to the grave special summon Dark wing dragon special summoned via blazewing blows up back line, if equipped with with supervise brings out second high level from Graveyard. I spent 3 months working with them, the trick is graveyard synergy. In no means am I saying they are meta, but they are way more useful than you are saying. I play them because it's fun

I played catalyst field in red eyes

I like the Red Eye's Black Flare Dragon gemini card, especially in a Red eyes deck since there were ways to get it out through special summons and you could normal summon it the same turn to get the effect.

So, my deck is a gemini monster deck, and I have to tell: yes, they are extremely weak, but if used correctly they can be really fun. So, how to play them? Throw your deck in the graveyard. Use normal-monsters support card such as birthright or swing of memories to bring back from the GY blazewing butterfly, then special summon a powerful gemini monsters like phoenix gearfried or chtonian emperor dragon with their effect. It's hard to do and nowadays it will get you nowhere, but there are still some uses

I really do like the idea of Gemini monster and hell, in the Championship 2011 DS game I play a Spellcounter deck against the AI with the Gemini monster that places counters and boosts it's attack by 600 (to 2500) and it's pretty much the star of the deck imo. I do hope they make some kind of Gemini archetype with a field that's better than Catalyst that'll take make use of the fact they're both effect and normal monsters. I don't even care if they were not competitive if they were fun to play. If they made Unions top-tier, Flips incredibly powerful and breathed some life back into Geminis they just need to do is make another push.

recent Red-Eyes cards had success, and Darkstorm Dragon was used in Blue-Eyes and Galaxy-Eyes decks back in the day as a dark monster and a lv 8

Ah! Neos Alius, haven't seen you in a while. Anyways, nice video, but as I played a lot of Geminis, I just want to point out the fact that, Geminis have one of the benefits of normal monsters, and that is, graveyard revival cards. Silent Doom and Swing of Memories really help these decks. Often have I topdecked into a Silent Doom or a Swing of Memories a few years ago to summon a dead Gigaplant in the graveyard, Gemini summon it to use its effect and summon a tuner and go for Scarlight Red Dragon Archfiend and nuke their board. But I must admit that, sadly, Konami patched Unions way better than they did for Geminis by giving them what is essentially a boss monster with the an Overload Fusion way of summoning it, although you don't need any cards in your hand, and effects that were not usually there on unions before in the form of their graveyard effect. Final note: Hopefully Crystron Needlefiber comes out in the TCG soon, because Gigavise can do crazy stuff thanks to it. Last time, I ended my turn one with a Crystal Wing, a Hot Red Dragon Archfiend Abyss and a potential summon of Life Stream Dragon as a last line of defense (since it can protect itself from destruction by banishing equip spells)

Ran a normal dragon deck with Gemini dragons. Not once you mention those cards nor how well they can be played. I use swings of memories to bring a "normal" monster. Aka darkstorm dragon then use my normal summon to resummon negecting swings second effect. This includes birthright and call of the haunted. Along with other normal support aka heat wave which its broken With new spell cards, dragon support. Its great. Also failed to mention about their fusion dragon type. Geminis are great when used right. Though today they might be slow but still could be fun for older players.

4:33 - that was sarcasm, right? Changing battle position can be super useful

I noticed that they don't print gemini monster or even cards anymore... they should gibe gemino a good deck and a lot of suppot to be played again

Oh man hearing you talking about the HERO builds like they’re ancient makes me feel so old and so sad and nostalgic

I was surprised you didn’t include the XYZ Vola-Chemicritter Methydraco it’s a good boss monster for the Gemini monsters.

My locals used to have a top 4 nationals hero beat/stun player. Asked him half jokingly if he ever actually gemini summoned alius. My face when he answers that twise, to contact fuse with a tech/Monster reborn'd grand mole. Apparently extra deck space was surpricingly lenient in non synchro deck before xyzs really took off

I always thought they were always treated as normal monsters with effects at the same time. That would’ve been so cool and unique

Actually, I have a fairly powerful deck that combines Red Eyes with Odd Eyes, and it's got some good Red Eyes Gemini Monsters in it. Though I believe some Gemini Monsters are a bit strange in strategic worth, I think that every card has a good and bad way to activate. I use my Odd Eyes Monsters to Pendulum Summon my Gemini Red Eyes, and then normal summon them for their effects. The only thing I haven't worked out is the effect negations, as I just use war of attrition tactics to win.

maybe if Konami brings support... and here's my Idea.. field spell: Everytime a monster is normal summon put 3 gemeni counter on this card. once per turn. u can remove 3 counter from this card and if you do so, you can activate one of this effects: 1) normal summon 2 times this turn. 2) add one spell or trap card from your deck to your hand. (not so broken) (not so bad) continuous spell card. when this card is activated from your hand you can special summon a gemmini level 4 monster from your deck. each time a gemmini monster is normal summoned(for the second time) remove 3 gemmini counter from anywhere on the field. add them to that monster. as long as that monster has 3 counters or more it cannot be targeted by card effects. if this card is sent to graveyard from the field you can remove 3 counters from anywhere on field and add it to your hand.

My biggest gripe with geminis has Always been that they only count as normal monsters on the field and graveyard, not in your hand or deck so you could not make full use of normal monster support with them.

if they were given like forbidden worthy effects like snatching a card out of their hand or drawing a card for every gemini monster on the field, i think they would have seen SOME play. not a lot just some. maybe give some the ability to summon multiple gemini monsters from the hand with their effects activated

I think part of the idea was to use the "normal monster support" that came out around the same time brithright, justi break, swing of memories, to work with Gemini, but obviously that was never gonna happen

Gemini or as I called them gimmick monsters for some reason. (I was a stupid kid back them) They are o.k at best, they do have some cards like Gemini Summoner and Gemini Scout and that Ox card I forgot it's name, to special summon Gemini monsters from your deck. What protection they don't have many options the best thing I could think of is Gemini some Anna and Scout not being destroyed once for blockers and Gemini trap hole for when your Gemini monster is destroyed just nuke your opponent's board. They mostly need some protection and something to make there effects worth it in the long run. All in all they are a 1/5 deck needs improvements.

The only Gemini I ever used was the red eyes. Black stone to special, and normal for his effect. But that was only casual play.

I would have good success with gemini's in 2014-2016. I figured the way to get away with the first summon was to mill away my deck away to get the Gemini monsters to the grave. And have search cards to get them out of my deck like featherizer. Then use supervise and other Gemini monsters(cavilier?) to get out Phoenix gearfried.

catalyst field and supervise are pretty good cards for gemini, but I agree there isn't much to choose from other than red-eyes and chemicritters

Change the base effect of Gemini Monsters to be considered Normal Monsters at all times except for when they are 'Gemini' Summoned. They gain Normal Support and can run in a deck based around supporting Normal Monsters with the ability to gain their effects if needed. Splashing in one of the supports to boost 'Gemini' Summoning would be good.

Geminis should have an errata where it gives them their effect either during the next standby phase or your next standby phase so you don't waste your normal summon. I still don't think it'll make them competitively viable but at least they'd be more fun/consistent

I got a lot of use of out of Crusader of Endymion in casual play, but nothing beyond that. I wouldn't consider ever taking it to any competition.

I did like this idea of an archetype, thought it was good and had real potential, but they gave up on it too soon as it didnt get enough support/more cards to help it, run in later sets, eg a continuous spell/trap/field spell that lets you summon them again or something - and as for the dragon ray bronto fish, i played this and other vanillas in a super ancient collianth beat-down deck with quite a bit of success back in the day. Oh and BTW don't harsh on the ability to change a monster to def even when attacking as this is still VERY relevant even today as the defense of some popular mons isn't nearly as good as their attack.

So which is better, Gigaplant or IL Blud?

The real fix is to make them normal monsters in the hand and deck, as well for anything that needs normal monsters As a resource even if you've activated their Gemini effect.

Gemini monsters as a whole are a hindrance to use unless you have monsters/Spells/traps that safeguard them from getting one shot the turn they are summoned, and even then like you said i wouldn't use any others besides chemicritters seeing as how they seem to be the only ones with some substance in payoff

No one ever mentions that these monsters do have a fusion monster i no its not like reallllyyy competitive viable per say but its a decent monster that gives all ur genimis there effect and its easy to summon and u can dragons mirro it out to. There are other support cards to that they have that arnt like super terrible u need to do more research imo but honestly there better than a lot of other archetypes.

After seeing that top comment I'm still gonna say it lol: Gemini's are decent in Duel Links, but there's reasons for it. I think it's mainly due to the fact that the game has a overall slower format, as well as the fact that the decks are only 20 (and no don't make your deck 30 cards you'll lose) cards so they aren't gimped as hard by their lack of reliable search effects. Also I think Gemini's could exist in rogue tier with the correct support. Personally I think the best or maybe just easiest way to do this is to create an archetype of geminis and then make searchers for those cards, or make more reliable searchers for geminis overall. Things like supervise and featherizer and other existing Gemini support kind of have this theme of putting geminis in the graveyard so maybe an interesting idea could be to take a page out of the Dark World Grimoire and create a ton of tricky graveyard effects and keep field effects on just the boss monsters? Idk I'm not completely familiar with all the geminis so if I'm missing something here let me know.

I love this cards ever since I bought the starter deck when I started playing. I built tons of deck around them, but, at the end of the day, the best one by far ends up being Evocator Chevallier. If there were more equip cards that worked with him like supervise and bamboo swords do, then he would be a real threat even in today's meta. But, yeah, most of them aren't worth the summon. They are usually only worth for their type or stats.