You should do a video like this for steel coaster supports. It would be fun to compare minimalist columns like on B&Ms to complicated, funky supports like on Premiers.
I'm designing an assembly line for GM's new/overhauled EV plant up in Lake Orion, Michigan. You would not believe how many kips I have supported by a cantilevered 12x40 beam, but even I am still surprised by how much RMC is putting on a cantilevered wood structure. I'm sure they got this dialed in and everything of course too.
realize the forces on that cantilevered section are actually up and to the right putting the whole structure in tension or at worst close to 1g loading if a train somehow gets stuck there
Yeah, I noticed the steel circular supports they've been using on Zadra and Iron Gwazi. Primarily for the lateral loads of tall sections. I've been sayin for years RMC's coasters are under-engineered and under-supported. Weird they didn't remove the old wood catwalk for the lift hill. It's always blown my mind how their ledgers are strong enough. Like, they always attach to the structure (especially in inversions) in such wonky ways. 2:57 "horizontal" not vertical framing member. ;)
i see this a lot on rmc's and really wonder about it but they've obviously done the analysis and i suspect the rails are doing a lot of work spreading the loading out also you have to realize a lot of rmc inversions, i'd say most are close to zero g and have very minimal structural loading and a lot of the extreme forces on rmc's are negative gforce, so the weight of the structure actually reduces the tensile strength needed to keep the forces in check, same with underflips that aren't stalls. it's why i suspect we'll never see a classic vertical loop on an rmc or a classic arrow style corkscrew, they just put too much force on the structure but i'd love to be proven wrong
@@Mister_Brown The closest thing to a wood supported vertical loop they have gone for is the dive loop on Goliath at SFGAm, so I would say they could do it if they wanted. I just think they don´t find the element itself to be exciting enough to go on a RMC.
Another great video brother. I feel RMC learned a ton from Steel Vengeance. Zadra and Iron Gwazi alone have shown to be much more sturdy structure and a different build language.
I am sincerely thrilled to listen to you nerd out. I have no background for understanding this stuff, and yet you explain it in such a digestible and interesting way. That's not a skill everybody has!
Ryan, I love these videos when you do them, especially you explaining anything structurally. This goes up there with Chris' 'By The Numbers.' Well done, mang.
Great vid! I rlly love how they engineered the structure for this ride and its good to know I’m not the only one lol, i love how theres a mix of steel and wooden support columns, how they blend perfectly and how you can see where the original drop was on the ride. It kinda feels like its preserving it in a way.
Ryan you got me nerding out on this coasters build structure. You make the complex understandable! Looking forward to riding this multiple times this Summer!! I thought this coaster’s layout definitely looks better than Arieforce one!
It looks really complex. Like it would be complicated to mix the old with the new. You would think it would be easier just to knock the whole thing down and start from a clean slate. By building a new one from the ground up. But this engineering job looks impressive 👏
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Hey there El Toro Ryan. Great video and great analysis. Your video revealed quite a bit of structural details that I had never noticed or saw in other Wildcat’s Revenge (WCR) construction videos on RU-vid. Hersheypark’s ride animation for WCR seems somewhat tame to me, although it does depict very fast pacing. In the animation parts of the ride layout seems stretched out. Some moments appear to reveal “missed opportunities” for pops of airtime. That being said, the layout reflects exactly what Hersheypark wants WCR to be. Some coaster enthusiasts seem to think RMC determines the layout of the converted coaster. I’m sure RMC offers suggestions to the park, but in the end the park decides the intensity of the conversion - as well as the final design approval. When I look at videos and photos of the actual transformation of WMC, I am noticing that the completed track work is much more tight and intense compared to the same sections of track as seen on the animation. This excites me because it appears that WCR will be much more intense than the animation suggests. Is it possible that Hersheypark intentionally released a “tame” WCR animation video? When in reality the actual layout will be much more intense than what the park released in the animation? My eyes see a much more intense layout in the RMC track work to date. The real track seems to be much more tight than on the animation video. I hope this trend continues as new RMC track continues to be installed on WCR. Time will tell! Thanks again for your videos. Keep up the excellent work! 💪🏽🏆
I'm happy Wildcat is getting the makeover it deserves. Last time I was on it, it's was incredibly rough and miserable, but I have a soft spot for it due to nostalgia. I can't wait to enjoy the ride again.
The double bracing is something I’ve always noticed on Goliath’s (SFGAm) dive loop, but couldn’t discern why it seemed different from other wooden coaster structures. It’s nice to have an explanation! Illuminating video all around.
Love the content, but I’m not so sure about one point you made. Speaking as a carpenter, I’m not sure that staggering the ribbons adds structural integrity. The benifit of more surface contact to the bend post is negligible, and you said that it allows for “more connections” but in the pictures you really only see one (occssionally 2) lag bolts per ribbon connection, which there would be space for with the standard ribbon layout, so they’re not using the additional contact to add more fasteners. There is also an added benifit to having the ribbons in a line, in that more rigidity is gained by having each ribbon sandwiched in between 2 others, making horizontal movement or rotation of the ribbons harder. Personally, I think it’s more likely it’s just easier to build them staggered, and small variations in lumber length or bend angles won’t then result in a ribbon not fitting because the gap is too small, or not making enough contact with the bend to securely connect it because the gap it too large.
I certainly could be wrong, as I’ve never built anything close to a roller coaster, but that’s my hunch as someone who works a lot with support beams and structures.
"And a good amount of the wooden superstructure" When you said this, I was able to understand what you were saying thanks to the breakdown you did of El Toro's substructure problem! In that video, I believe you explained the difference between the substructure and the superstructure. Because I understood that, it made this video super entertaining to me!
RYan, you should do a problematic video of Knoebel's FLying Turns, since it took 7 years to build and finally open. Plus it can educate a lot of people about this classic coaster and how tough it was to build in modern day
Great ride but honestly I think I like El Toro better. Even though El Toro is not an RMC. Def falls short of Steel Vengance as an RMC coaster. Wish it was a longer ride
When you say RMC trains are heavy, is that just heavy in comparison to Millennium Flyers or are they also heavy when compared to Wildcat's original PTC trains?
So, Ryan, what happens when remedial work has to be done to the coaster, like Steel V.? RMC designed it, quoted it, and built it. Would they typically carry some burden, or would that all fall on the customer?
I love the old Wild cat it was immensely rought but so much fun You could not help to laugh . IT VERY exciting to have RMC refrebish this coaster. I love El Toro but I think it's time to RMC the track there too It is getting rough like the old wild cat. And has some structural damage in the supports frome G force. Have a great day love light creativity
A separate load and unload seem really smart for RMC restraints. Many RMCs actually have decently quick intervals, but the loading and unloading with those restraints are not optimal.
Very cool!! I'll be there to try it out! I live in NJ not too far. I've been going to Hershey since I was barely tall enough to ride the big rides! Last summer, on July 4th was my last ride on Wildcat, and it was a bit painful, and I felt it wasn't a fun ride anymore...
How did I not know you have a civil engineering degree... Bro you gotta hook up with the "well there's your problem" podcast for an episode on coaster accidents
I'm kinda shocked an upgrade to this more refined bracing hasn't been offered to Cedar Point. Then again maybe it has - but I don't know why they'd say no to it. It is clearly working better than SteVe's solution is even now.
I like nerding out about the structure, design and function of rides as well, big reason I subscribed to this channel (and then there's your vlogs which are just funny SuperVinlin )
Hey Ryan, how did you find doing a Civil Engineering degree? I'm hoping to start an undergraduates degree later this year and I'm unsure weather to go for Civil Engineering or Mechanical Engineering?
Super psyched for this ride! Wildcat at Hershey Park was incredibly rough. I only went on it once and it was more than enough to give me a bad headache🤕
I loved Wildcat's layout and I wish they could have saved it, but at the same time I'm really excited for Wildcat's Revenge. I was able to snag a piece of wood from Wildcat with the logos of both coasters burned into it. I wish I had been able to ride Wildcat last summer before they closed it, but I was busy doing other stuff when I was in the area.
I was on that same tour. I asked them about loose articles and they said they won’t be allowed on the ride, not even in pouches like on Gwazi. So it’ll be how SteVe and Twisted Timbers operate.
While I am sure there will be many fans of the RMC rework of Wildcat, I am not. Wildcat was a great wooden coaster with the thrill of that first drop to a good overall ride. This just destroys a great wooden coaster to appeal to the more wild ride that RMC coasters provide.
I have a civil engineering degree too, so I like this type of video. I had no idea that this would have 3 trains and a separate unload station. Does any other RMC have wheel heaters? I've seen them on other coasters, but never on an RMC before.
Hopefully New Dragster gets the double sided lockers, the old system was a pain, especially with where the exit was in relation to the entrance - another thing that I hope they fix
Professor Ryan, your breakdown of the ride is intriguing. While I don’t follow all of what you said, it is interesting to see a different take on a coaster
The walkways on the original first drop are staying. I made sure to ask about that on the tour (went with the first group). It is a nice little detail to see the difference! Can’t wait to see the pacing of this coaster.
I never got to ride Son of Beast, but just remember being at King's Island, looking up at it as like a 10 year old kid and the impact it had visually. it was such a massive and impressive structure. This coaster looks AMAZING! I rode the original coaster, actually a super fun ride!
Only ElToroRyan has the certification and authority to talk about this 👏👏👏 well done~~ and also I’ve noticed that even some of RMC’s earlier coasters use steel support structures to support it. We know New Texas Giant has some, but Iron Rattler even has some supporting the zero-g roll, Wicked Cyclone has some, and Twisted Cyclone has some. And all those use the Gerstlauer and older Gen RMC trains. So definitely they’ve been doing it for quite a while. But it’s fascinating to see RMC being able to learn from Steel Vengeance and knowing how to strengthen their coasters because of those heavy trains and insane forces.
