Will any Party suggest rejoining the EU? | LBC debate 

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Because they're a genuine threat to the rich and the establishment if they get more power. There's going to be a lot of people not able to vote Labour but don't want Tories back...

Would you still be bitter had we voted to remain in the EU by a similar margin, would you still be of the same opinion on another referendum?

@@scottlenharth4200 how is basic maths economics?! If the remain vote had won by 52/48, I would expect this to have been taken as advisory as it was intended.

@@actuallypaulstanley It was never an advisory referendum. The government spent millions sending out leaflets to every household clearly stating that whatever the result, Remain or Leave that that result would be implemented.

@@scottlenharth4200 Which was very dodgy as there was no definition of what Brexit would actually mean, as shown by right wingers still disagreeing on what should have happened and if we've had a 'proper' brexit.

@@keithpanton7486 It clearly stated on the leaflet that "Leave" would mean leaving all of the EU institutions. Including the single market and customs union. Whilst I agree I didn't go onto the finite details. It clearly stated the aforementioned. 🤷🏻‍♂️

May I turn your attention to the Greens?

might aswell vote for outer mongolian party- your grandchildren wont see it

No more 🍒👌

Forget it. Open borders have been a disaster for national security and the idea of surrendering control of setting monetary policy to Frankfurt is idiotic.

No one on earth can meet any criteria set by Denmark 😂

@@amirahabdi no one exacts the danish imposition

Of course we can rejoin and of course we shouldn’t have left

​@@missizaskunNo! Out means out. 🇪🇺🇳🇱

but we did.. and voted correctly.. every year outside the EU, the uk signs deals and treaties which further it from the EU.

Steve baker is a disgrace of a politician. A neoliberal liar that is as right wing as they come. Don’t believe anything he says.

or maybe he just misunderstood the statement, we don't want YOU back....

Exactly If I was the EU I'd tell us to do one!

Exactly and the uk will never go back. Imagine losing the £

Single Market is on but it will cost us.

​@pt4005 The UK would have to commit to joining the euro. Euro adoption isn't required on the first day of EU membership. The convergence criteria must be met... There is no timeline specified to reach the convergence criteria. Poland has been an EU member since 2004 and are under commitment to join the euro currency. They have yet to fulfil the convergence criteria.

​@@rayc9539 There is an "obligation" but the EU can't exactly do anything to enforce said obligation, proven for example by Czechia

met at the moment.

But all major parties across all EU member states aren't necessarily fond of EU membership are they? The general British population are more in favour of the EU than pre 2016. The tories and reform view of the EU can't be transferred to the general population.

​@@rayc9539irrelevant, they are already members. Were not going to let a skeptic country back in and potentially have to go through Brexit again down the line.

​@@RazorMouthA referendum with a 60-70% vote in favour of rejoining may well work in the future. And the EU should make it that for any country to leave the EU it requires 55 or 60% of voters to vote for that.

The EU will want more than that. We would be required to adopt the Euro to prevent another Tory Brexit raising its head again.

You are right. And don't forget you must reduce the debt to GDP ratio from101% to 55% to be allowed to join. That alone will take 15 years if you are ambitious, and in a shrinking economy t will be even harder.

dont worry!- uk piffling economy is tiny compared to EU inbound albania and north macedonia..

youve had 8 years to upstix eu 27.. why u still in UK?

So, you're going to leave when there's a Labour government.

True!

Some commitment, cooperation and solidarity for starters would greatly be appreciated!

Shame the EU was against their independence in 2014 and then the U.K left

​@@heyoa7714yes a shame the Scots chose to remain the property of England.

@@heyoa7714 Because England lied

@@heyoa7714 No it wasn´t. EU said it welcomes Scotland´s application if it leaves UK in a legal way with support from its population. But UK, then a member "persuaded" Scotland to stay claiming they would be out of EU ( a possible veto from UK). 2 years later UK dragged Scotland out of EU.

goto you tube. type- *"andrew neil clashes with andrew wilson SNP"* -watch several times.. the penny will (eventually drop..) -then repost back.. over and out!

bcos albania and north macedonia will take up the UK place- they are inbound, so its all joy!

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@@Anri6547 Seconded.

Switzerland type deal is out from the table, EU would not agree with it at all.

The EU hates the Swiss situation and would never offer anything similar, it's not an option anyway because the relationship between the two is the result of multiple treaties over the last 50 years

You’re grasping at straws. You have to come to terms you’re out for decades.

@@JohnnyinMN yea, thats the joke. 🤷🏻‍♂️

The EU is trying to get rid of all the small treaties with Switzerland.

They would

Russia, probably.

They’ve already put out a rejoin policy about a couple of years ago now..!?! They are just waiting for competent leadership, they already know the nut jobs took over..

The bigger problem is, that that the UK needs bipartisan support for rejoining the EU, otherwise it makes no sense for the EU to even think about it.

You don’t get to decide if the UK would be allowed to rejoin the EU, it should be noted that the EU has said on many occasions that the UK will always be welcomed to join again, the EU has a policy of new members and a policy for rejoining the union. Also the UK has a population of 70 million, that’s a market that the EU would want back.

Draughts with half the pieces missing?

My gambit paid off with check-mate in this dimension by showing the only major party in Westminster that will take Scotland back into the European Union is the SNP. Not only that it was the first phone-in question following the announcement of the General Election to expose the fact that none of the unionist parties will have rejoining in their manifestos.

@@alanwatterson2850 Just as the SNP Scottish Governments have balanced their budgets with less than half powers.

Really? They said that?

@@ne-ht4zx Of course they didn't, its just another of the dishonest tactics the pro brexit camp rely on to try to avoid the inevitable.

Not sure if you are right.... I think the EU miss us as much as we miss them !

@@annettehadley9718 Nope... Most of the money fleeing London has gone into other European capitals. The EU are doing just fine without us.

@@ne-ht4zx It takes all 27 states to agree to it... The largest stock exchange in Europe is now based in Paris not London. Enjoy the managed decline.

That idea is just cakeism.

Norway says otherwise.

@@br5380 because the UK is so much larger than Norway in terms of markets size, we wouldn't be able to do that. That aside, if we joined the single market, we'd have accept all their rules an would have no say in them.

@@Human_Herbivore Besides the Norwegians said: No! You stiffed them when being an EFTA member when jumping ship for the EU. They know that you can not be trusted. Actions have consequences, you know...

@@RealMash I voted remain.

that will never happen. croatia eu inbound 1st jan this year- food went up 20% almost next day.

best if you upstix EU 27.. its not hard, i did in 87 , no job, no degree, no money, no speaky forrin.. lived 18 years there.

Too bad it´s the two who take turns controlling the parliament in Westminster that matters. Get rid of your archaic FPTP voting system is first on the list to do to give smaller parties a chance to influence politics in UK in the same way they do in EU countries.

The LibDems will not have that in their manifesto. The Green Party of England will at best only have four MPs. Plaid Cymru are likely to have around the same number & both latter parties did not have a representative on the panel. That is why I asked a question that I already knew the answer.

I think you mean Alistair Carmichael

My business is doing quite well. I lost an eu competitor…

Calls people that built the country xenophobic and gullible. Doesn't realise the irony.

We did a million times but you don’t see them as benefits

​@@pt4005whats the name of your company?

​@eddiecalderone the benefit of the nazis was less competitive housing in Germany post war and better airplane designs...but people just "can't see them as benefits"

Is SNP still a thing?

Comply with the criteria and you're welcome to join.

@@ralphmacchiato3761 , only real issue is debt and that is mostly for adopting the Euro . And as quite a few EU countries (Belgium, France, Greece, Italy and Spain are all worse than the UK) don't meet the debt requirements either I doubt it would be a major stumbling block.. Basic accession criteria > political criteria: stability of institutions guaranteeing democracy, the rule of law, human rights and respect for and protection of minorities; > economic criteria: a functioning market economy and the capacity to cope with competition and market forces; > administrative and institutional capacity to effectively implement the acquis and not sure anyone could claim that the UK doesn't already comply with the basic criteria

@@katywalker8322 Your locig is stunning. All those countries are old members. UK as a possible candidate country has not that option anymore. It is a non negotiable criteria to join EU. 50% (or close to that) of GDP is the benchmark.

@@trident6547 , and exactly where is that ratio specified? Yh is a requirement for a limit on spending limits, but that is not a hard limit

yeah we seen the open borders nightmare every week. no thanks. interpol fixes the crime- the NCA extradites ppl from anywhere , don't need to be in the EU it is partially a market, mainly a political union. albania and north Macedonia are eu inbound- they can take off where the UK left

bcos eu unemployment is shocking and wages are low, with few prospects

EFTA makes absolutely no sense for the UK. It makes sense for Norway and Iceland due to their enormous fishing industries. But the UK would be in the EU with no say at the table, that makes no sense for an economy like the UK.

@@RazorMouth I know that EEA members have greater control over their fishing and agricultural legislation. Given the importance of the single market to the UK, it made no sense to abandon it either...

@@rayc9539 Brexit makes no sense sure. Not for the UK economy anyway.

@@RazorMouth but you have to think about the type of brexit. Brexit was open to many different interpretations. It was the tories that wanted to get out of the single market and customs union and EU relates schemes such as erasmus. That was their choice, not the electorate.

Brexit was remain or leave. Brexit was never defined in writing in the run up to the referendum. The Norway option requires accepting ECJ oversight, Regulatory Alignment, substantial financial contribution etc. It is as close to full membership as can be. What happens to Brexit Sovereignty. The truth is so far as Britain is concerned we are either fully in or out. Joining would require accepting the Euro amongst other things. Britain must suffer the Brexit consequences for years to come. Britain must seek benefits elsewhere and they will be very hard to find. There is no more cake. That is the price of Brexit sovereignty.

Fulfill Copenhagen Criteria, reduce debt to GDP to 55% from 101%. That will take you at least 15 years. Then apply.

​@@RealMash+proportional representation, +written constitution. But Ireland would veto for Black '47 alone and is not the only country not in favor of the UK joining.

....because Alistair Carmichael was prevaricating & Richard Thompson gave a direct unequivocal answer.

Okey-dokey, poppet: ‘Ukayish’ people it is then. Or do prefer ‘Unitedkingdomish’ folk?

The UK is dead. It’s called ‘England’ now.

​@@robertcottam8824UKOGBANIS is the term, with Bogus Kin as a mnemonic (United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland)

After the British blocking the development of an EU army I would not be so sure about defense.

@@RealMash "but! but! but! -its just a trading bloc!' nothing about army and EU primacy! but but but!

the eu has already said no Veterinary agreement or Europol defense agreement

@@aukebij3193 source

In your dreams. EU does not want another Switzerland. You really need to go to the homepage of the EU commission to read what UK needs to do to join.

@@trident6547Money talks and the member countries know that a larger EU is more powerful. Preparing the UK to easily rejoin in the future works for all, especially with the euro

No it is not. That would just bring the opposite result than what is wanted. You are building sandcastles.

baloney! visas exist. stop lying

There’s no joining the single market without full EU membership.

@@abbofun9022 There is no joining the single market without some degree of free movement, EFTA members all have access to the free market without being members of the EU.

@@sarfaraz.hosseini true but EFTA is closed for UK, only leaves full membership route open. If UK thinks they can negotiate a Swiss like deal they are delusional.

@@abbofun9022 Maroš Šefčovič on behalf of the EU already offered Free Market Access for Free Movement. A Labour government will likely do small deals on alignment for access now, eventually aiming to rejoining the single market in a future parliament. This is not an exact Swiss deal.

@@sarfaraz.hosseini And where did he do that? Since that would be completely against all the rules of EU and not in the articles of the Treaty of EU and the Treaty of EEA. This is UK´s only way into the single market if it does not want to join EU. Neither the EU, nor its current 27 member States, are members of EFTA. After Brexit, the UK, not being a member of EFTA, and not anymore an EU member, could not be an EEA member and could not be a candidate to become one. Article 126 EEA states that the Agreement shall apply to the territories which the Treaty establishing the EEC (today the EU) is applied and to the territories of Iceland, the Principality of Liechtenstein and the Kingdom of Norway . These three States are members of EFTA and, in accordance with articles 108 of the EEA Agreement, have established the EFTA Surveillance Authority and the EFTA Court. Both these institutions are only competent for these three States. Their role is to ensure the fulfillment by the EEA EFTA States of their obligations under the EEA Agreement. They are not competent for Switzerland, despite this country being a member of EFTA. Procedurally, in order to become a member of the EEA the UK would first have to present its candidacy and negotiate and conclude an accession agreement to become an EFTA member according to article 56 of the Convention establishing the EFTA. This is because the EEA cannot apply to non EU member States, with the exception of Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway, precisely because they are members of EFTA according to article 126 of the EEA. Thus, the UK will have to negotiate an accession treaty to EFTA with the four members of this organisation: Switzerland and the three EEA EFTA members. Once becoming an EFTA member, the UK will then have to negotiate an EEA accession treaty with the 31 entities which are members of the EEA: the EU, its 27 member States and the three EEA EFTA members. The Parties could agree to proceed to both negotiations at the same time. But since both norway and iceland rejects UK joining EFTA the option above is purely hypothetical.

We don’t want to join. These are deluded individuals.

Imagine not wanting your elected government to have autonomy and be subservient of a bureaucratic Ponzi scheme. I bet when you're out for a meal your missus orders your meal. 🤣🤡

@@scottlenharth4200 l bet when you're literally in any situation, you don't understand what's going on 😆🤡

@@scottlenharth4200 I bet you don't understand what's going on in literally any situation 😆😆🤡

​@@scottlenharth4200both missus and mistresses 😂 Even their chauffeur gets to pick the route! Enjoy your freedom of picking what turnips you want to eat (or perhaps you want to indulge in some heating instead!; It's your sovereign choice!)

@@scottlenharth4200 Do you have any particular evidence for this claim that the EU is a "Ponzi scheme", or is it more just a feeling you have?

We don't need you. Bye bye Brexit la la land. 🇪🇺🇳🇱

@@fcassmann I guess, we need to reform the EU first. No veto rights for a single county which can block reforms than a unified army. If more old Brits a died out we can start with accession talks or they 🇪🇺

@@MrOliver1444 NO, we can't. Fulfill Copenhagen Criteria and work through Article 49. If you are through, you can apply.

Cause you CAN'T "just try to go back".

Only the gullible still believe that in 2024.

​@@br5380it is irrelevant as they are not a member of the EU. First things first.

@@ralphmacchiato3761 their comment or mine?

​@@br5380Both. It is a post Brexit era. My estimation is that realignment alone will take you 20 years.

Nope, read Copenhagen criteria.

​@@RealMashWould you like to explain exactly?

@@RealMash I'm not sure if you're saying that setting such a referendum percentage, or otherwise, is covered in the criteria, or whether you're saying that we can't just walk back in whenever we want (which of course the UK cannot do, but negotiation will be possible).

@@Dabmonger Do you understand that joining EU is not a negotiating process anymore. It is all about the candidate country implementing all EU acquis ( laws, agreements etc) split up in six clusters with 35 chapters in its legislation. On what issues is the candidate country not allowed to negotiate? Adoption of the EU Acquis, establishment of administrative structures towards implementation, compliance with the Copenhagen political criteria and Copenhagen economic criteria cannot be negotiated. On what issues is the candidate country allowed to negotiate? The candidate country is allowed to negotiate on when and how the adoption of the EU Acquis will take place. In exceptional cases, transition phases, temporary derogations and requests of additional assistance can also be included into negotiations. There are no negotiations about opt-outs or rebates because there are no such anymore for anyone.

​@@trident6547If you think that negotiation isn't possible, then you are very naive. Rules can be changed, and a new tier of membership can even be introduced.

Why? It worked well for Czechoslovakia. They did split but they are together in the EU.

And you've learned NOTHING since 2016 have you... Reminder, Sunak had to ask the King to dissolve Parliament - when did we vote for a King?

OMG! They speak different languages! Classic little englander

You never were a founding member, in fact France vetoed you joining twice. What do you guys learn in school? Yeah. thought so.

yeah uk fishing waters handed over, uk was the eu jobcenter for their flagging economies, and also paid in top coin for the privilege.. cant win a election with hi unemployment, luckily the UK was there to absorb the mass, and take it off their figures.. they cannot dodge this now..

You are welcome here.

UK person here - You can fly from the likes of Heathrow, Garwick, Manchester, Bristol, Glasgow, Edinburgh etc very easily into mainland Europe :) also there is the Eurostar train and ferries as well! I personally fly from Bristol return to Europe for £20-50 / €25-55 ish quite a few times :)

@@ethanbaker22 thank you for the info! That makes it a lot better! I really want to see Stone Henge

@@CaptainCataractss no problem:) Bristol or London airports are you closest to that! (London if flying from US) either if you are flying in from Europe.

as a american you will find that *none speak English as the 1st language..* -that'll learn you..

Never, is a miserable failure as we said it would be.

@andrew300169 we will never go back and brexit is fine. Things need to improve yes but that doesnt mean we need to go back to the eu. People need to stop crying and get on with it.

@@michaelhelbrow7906 Can you name a single tangible benefit of it?

@maxwild1212 yeah we are out of the currupt eu. Now stop crying and get on with it.

@@michaelhelbrow7906 It feels odd to have to explain this to an adult, but re-stating a policy does not count as naming a tangible benefit of said policy. In what way is the EU "corrupt", by the way?

Greece wants the marbles back ;-)

£50bn is cheap based on the economy losing 4% (of £3T).

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