Will Graham VS The Red Dragon | Red Dragon (2002) 

Didn't in the book Dolarhyde also desfigured Will's face with a knife?, and molly was who shot him to dead like in the film and in the aftermath when Will is getting treatment after the attack jack Crawford finds a letter that lecter send giving his greetings

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If that's the case then i'm glad they changed it. It made Dolarhyde empathise with the boy so that no matter how angry he was he wouldn't take it out on him as he'd know that the boy wasn't in on the trick, like Francis his pain and humiliation were real and would find it incredibly hard to kill a child and have that pain he knows so well as the last thing he feels.

sparkyinbath cracked me up how his wife got down the second he screamed it. Any normal house hold someone would at least get annoyed/worried for at least 2-3 seconds and yell out why what’s wrong? It’s just instinct, especially in a husband wife dynamic

I'm currently on chapter 36

That moment was not in the book though

@@esenge3028 so?

@@Fif0l I apologize for pointing that out please don't shoot me

@@esenge3028 oh, I just now realized that at the end of the comment OP was praising the book as well as the movie. So your response was valid. Nevermind then. You'll get to live another day.

he's not protecting the boy, the verbal abuse throws him off.. he thought he was in control of the situation, and the reaction was one he couldn't have foreseen, he knew it would trigger him.

what's number 1?

@@stefjevtic You clown! not scary at all! Hahahaha

@@stefjevtic Main Character in Scream double tape the slasher

Also grabs two knives in case he has to drop one.

And the dumbest would be not shooting through the door at 3:03.

Cause he remember what was said to him when he was a kid

It looks like how Buffalo Bill become weak when his dog is Taken hostage in silence of the lambs

we all have weaknesses... his entire childhood was his

@@papytromblon Even sick fucks like Buffalo Bill and Francis Dolarhyde have weaknesses. As Lector said in Silence of the Lambs to Clarice that the guy they were looking for has been systematically abused that he hates his own indentity the same can be said for Dolarhyde so Will abusing his son and humiliating him just like Dolarhyde's grandmother did to him as a child triggered his weakness he wasn't thinking like a hunter and serial killer in that moment he was remembering the vulnerable child he once was thats why he couldn't hurt Josh because Will is just like his grandmother he threatened Josh and all Will did was abuse him there's nothing to gain from killing Josh at this point so all his rage is now directly on Will

Cat Egorical dude i never noticed that! What terrible continuity error! WTF were they thinking?!

If you looked at the shots (3:15) before the shooting took place, he got a hold of two firearms. The revolver and the semi automatic. She picked up the semi automatic knowing full well the other gun was spent.

You can see the moment the killer goes from pointing the glass shard to his son with full intention of 'transformation' to actually holding him back from his own father as if to protect him. It's wild I never noticed that until my last viewing.

@@Petey0707 To me it seemed more like he was scared and was grabbing onto something. The fact that he pushed him away like that and attacked Graham angrily made it seemed more like he was scared and trying to defend himself rather than trying to defend Graham’s son. He was shaking and getting some flashbacks from his grandmother there. But you could be right, who knows.

Hard to watch.

I know, I hate it when movies show that. You have a monster or killer still chasing you..but wait..lets hug it out..kiss..and ask how your day has been. Lol.

Yep one cap won't due! Double, even triple works fine

Two in the dome, two in the chest; that double-double

Brings back scream memories

This is not a double tap. The technique used in the movie Heat for the kills, thats the perfect example of double tap. Double tap the chest and put one to the forehead. Best way.

unlike the wife who at the end cries in the fetal position instead of doing literally anything to help her husband who is bleeding out 2 ft away

I think your forgetting one of the key characters, Hannibal Lecter himself, he can be both empathetic and exploitive simultaneously, now that is scary as he doesn't really have any real-world counterparts

I don't know, dude. I'd rather hang out with Lector than someone who murders entire families and engages in necrophilia.

Gomez1915 yeah plus Dollarhyde has some fucking weird fetishes

Anyone who murders children is the embodiment of evil. Lector is a crazy fuck, but i doubt he would ever hurt a child.

Gomez1915 you’ve not read Hannibal Rising then or seen the movie? Because he does kill young lads around his age (but in his defence they was evil little bastards who bullied him when they found out who he really was and where they was all now living! I won’t say anymore Incase you’ve not read the book or seen the movie, I don’t want to spoil it!) so he has killed children and threatened them! It tells the story of Count Hannibal Lecter VIII (which is his actual proper name and title!) as a child and teenager who actually came from a very rich and well known family during the world war 2 and goes on to explain the actual event of who and what turned him from an innocent well loved and loving child from Lithuania 🇱🇹 (where he’s actually originally from!) to the number 1 voted all over the world, the most iconic villain ever in movie history! that we all know and love, but all of us know damn well if he was to “invite us to a dinner party?” We’d all say politely as we possibly can do without trying to offend him, that “we’re very sorry but unfortunately we can’t this time.” (Or something very close along them lines!) Because there’s a very high chance we’d be eating the last person who pissed him off (well I wouldn’t I’m a vegan, but I’d still question what he prepared for me.) and could actually end up on the menu for his next dinner party!?! ❤️🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣❤️ But seriously if you’ve not read the book or seen the movie I highly recommend it, both of them in fact! XoX

Xander J. Boucher i see, but damn that was hard to notice

Good catch

He also had both his guns when he captured Dr Lecter. When Lecter stabbed and disarmed Will of his semi auto handgun, Will have stabbed him with a bunch of arrows and then shot him with his remaining revolver.

Joshua Smith yeah, I know what you mean. I choose to see it as the character trying to keep his voice steady while he’s under duress.

Also the discomfort of having to talk to his child that way without being able to explain why he was doing it.

"how DARE you!" LOL he says it very feminine like a nagging new jersey wife

Agree and the final one is too that goes all the way back to Hannibal’s childhood and shows and tells us who he was in the beginning and what event and who it was that turned him into the number one most voted of all time in movie history most iconic serial killing cannibal and horror character of all time! Hannibal Rising it’s called. XoX

Walt Blackadar also did you know that in this scene most of the time it’s an actual piece of broken glass/mirror that was used? The fake ones they was trying to use kept braking or the end kept snapping off on when the tooth fairy pressed it up against Will’s son’s face, plus they kept changing the lights around to highlight the piece of fake mirror, but nothing was working, they couldn’t get the light reflection right to make it standout and look like a real mirror. That’s why Ralph Fiennes is holding the real piece of wrapped up tightly in thick material one end and holding the young child actors face as tight as he can without hurting him so the young boy didn’t move his head to much Incase he accidentally cut or stabbed himself in the face or his eye by moving his head to much to the left. So his parents and the actor agreed for Ralph to hold him tight without hurting him and also gave Ralph the free movement to make it look as realistic as possible by holding him tightly by the face and putting the glass as close to the young boys face knowing he was in full control! X

its not underrated at all lol, it is widely accepted as a classic and has extremely high positive remarks

Evin M at the time of its release it a lot of people because of the cretins, sorry I meant critics didn’t like this movie, the same with the origin story of Hannibal with the Hannibal Rising movie. So it was very underrated both of them was compared to the first two movies. It’s only now years later that people including a lot of the cretins (god damn it I need to remember that’s not what their called!) I’m sorry again I mean the critics who gave the movies bad reviews have now come to their senses and admit that the movies are not as bad as they said they was and that on second viewings years later they changed their original reviews about these last two movies and that they do in fact especially this one is a worthy addition to the Hannibal movie collection! Don’t forget this movie and the origin movie was released at a time when most people would listen to the critics reviews instead of judging movies for themselves, that’s why they didn’t do to well at the box office. And the reason why some people still aren’t 100% sure about the fourth movie is because it doesn’t have Anthony Hopkins in. Which if they’d read the book they would realise how ridiculous that would have been found him to show up in that movie because it’s the story of his childhood and who and what made him the person that he grew up to be that everyone knows and loves. But you know damn well if he invited you to one of his dinner parties you’d politely decline in the nicest possible way without offending him, because you know you’d be eating the last person who pissed him off and know that there’s a high chance you’ll be next on the menu! LoL 😂 Joking aside it is only the last few years people have finally started giving this movie and the fourth one the credit they both deserve, and a lot of them people have admitted they never watched them when they first came out because of the reviews! XoX

@@river-phoenixlunapavier2641 Hannibal Rising was universally panned by critics and audiences. Silence of the Lambs and Red Dragon were amazing films with compelling characters, and Hannibal wasn't as great but definitely held it's own. The 4th film was nonsense; literally turned one of the most compelling villains of all time into a rinsed and reused anti-hero type, and was just poorly written from start to end. I've never heard anyone make a case for the 4th film being a good piece of cinema.

@Eduardo Flores because the red dragon plays voldermorte

@Eduardo Flores same actor as harry potter villian voldemort

LabRat My thoughts exactly

Funnily enough Will's attacks in the book are far worse, Lecter not only stabs him but almost disembowels him with a linoleum knife, and Dolarhyde actually stabs him in the face.

He might have set it up that way because he's trying to have a relaxing weekend home with his family and trying not to think about work. kind of like the landline equivalent of turning your phone to vibrate.

No she really isnt.

That one definitely is. You could stick your foot right through the centre if you wanted.

She shoot him with an automatic weapon, not the revolver that will get from the closet.

Mrs. Gram is basic

You forgot one thing. The son is traumatized by his father berating him while a random dragon man held a sharp piece of glass at his face.

To be fair Lecter was his second and Final case for at least a year.

I also find it odd that someone who was still clearly traumatized and restless would not carry a gun or at least have one within reach.

@@TheSuspectOnFoot I think it's because he's so screwed up. Also who could know that Hannibal would find his address from within a cell and then manage to give it to Francis? A guy on the run somehow finding that out and actually coming straight to an fbi guys house? Pretty far fetched and why it took him by surprise. Will doesn't want to walk around with a gun, He wants to fix boats.

@@arbiterofreason2068 That's partially my point. It's pretty far-fetched that he would face a cannibalistic psychopath to begin with so after such an experience it would make sense that he woud no longer believe in something like what you described as being practically impossible especially as his mind was clearly still stuck in the past. A lot of fears are irrational and develop from previous experience

@@TheSuspectOnFoot yes definitely

It was made to make Norton look like southern. Not my point, I read it somewhere

Yeah, should've just let Edward have his natural hair color in this movie

@@SecondtoN0NE Ok but you have to wonder Southern what?

whynottalklikeapirat Well, someone who had lived in a very bright sunny place, like Florida. People who tend to stay in sunnier areas/are out more tend to have brighter hair.

@@darkhero-3097 Sure - it's pretty clear it's meant to communicate that he is "back out of retirement and boat drinks" and fresh in from the sea, that he made it out but now he is back in against his will and all - but the colour just comes across weird and unnatural, drawing a lot of attention to itself.

Ray Vidal it’s great but Manhunter is amazing too.

Still can't believe Brett Ratner directed this

Best Brett Ratner movie. Underrated ralph Fiennes role and brilliant turn of Hopkins as always

@@JamesWilliams-iv3ef It helped that Ratner was working with the well-written source material.

Sounds cliche but nothing compared to the book believe me

I’ll take Manhunter and the novel over this. It’s good, but they should have hired a better director than Brett Ratner.

Don’t forget her fried green tomatoes

I thought that was Mary-Louise Parker

SquirrelKnight which one is 8?

Do you mean Seven?

I disagree with the statement that this is the best in the series. The Silence of the Lambs is much better.

Gregory Graham yeah wow what an executioner

Odd lock for a bedroom door but... Entertainment!

Edward Norton isn't bruce banner

Hugo Brice ??????

Derek Vinyard Vs Amon Göth.

@@whatareraisins he has been

Leiam Whittaker LoL

Goeth takes the cake . He’s a nasty man.

James Tocher a wizard did it

He had two, he left the pistol on the floor when he got up

It's a transformer gun. Glockptimus Prime

Nope. At at 3:11 you can see that he is grabbing another gun and then when he gets down to peek at 3:15 you can see that he is holding the revolver in his right and the semiautomatic pistol on his left.

@@boowie16 Nice observation skills you got there.

Don't ruin this badass scene!

Yes, please.

The conclusion of Manhunter was awful.

Which would've been the only way to unlock it if that dirty little beast wanted some lolz.

Will obviously knew Dollarhyde would break through, that's why he went for the gun and waited.

"Those extra few shots to the head [...] could land her in court [and this] is infuriating." What a utterly disgusting human being you are. Completely devoid of understanding how a state under the secular rule of law must operate. That you take this fictional scenario of a horror movie to derive rules for the real life is a sad statement about your frame of mind.

@@nwahally >What an utterly disgusting human being you are. Care to elaborate? >Completely devoid of understanding how a state under the secular rule of law must operate. Care to elaborate? >That you take this fictional scenario of a horror movie to derive rules for the real life is a sad statement about your frame of mind. Horror movies bring fear to the viewer by making them empathize/sympathize with characters in an immersive setting and situation. If this were a supernatural horror movie that took place in some alternate reality, then you'd have a point. But this is set in the real world and what we just witnessed was a home-invasion followed by a shootout. Events like this happen all the time in the real world. What exactly is your problem?

@@nwahally You are a fucking imbecile.

It's a point that has been used for several trials. My own take on it, shootout and victim probably knows they'll pass out or be incapacitated soon, believes threat still there, and gives spouse boom headshot advice. Soon to be dead mf is indeed still a threat and she reacts accordingly. No bill, imo.

Kyle Patrick HULK SMASH!!!!!

All the actors that played Francis were great in their own regard. Tom was natural creepy race had some of the best acting and the coolest tattoo. Richard captures the one from the book the best in my opinion, (especially with the speech impediment when the dragon is not in control as in the book) but I really thought his tattoo was underwhelming.

I wouldn’t argue with any of that. I loved the book, and all three adaptations of the story. Each has their own strengths and weaknesses. As do the portrayals of each character. I also agree about the tattoo in Hannibal (show). It was too colorful in my opinion, although I did like how they played with the design when Francis was exercising those specific muscles. If I had any complaints with the Red Dragon arc in the show, it would be the tattoo, and the CGI scene with Reba and the tiger. I feel like that could’ve been executed better visually.

He had two guns

Nope. At at 3:11 you can see that he is grabbing another gun and then when he gets down to peek at 3:15 you can see that he is holding the revolver in his right and the other gun on his left.