Will Motorsport's Failure RUIN Forza Horizon 6? 

Yes, but they use the same engine. What's built for FM is used in FH

@@BlackPanthaa Ah 👌

​@@BlackPanthaa Heyy Theo..off topic but Night runners is far better...any new Forza or NFS is Shite..play MW2005 once again..and you'll see what's so wrong with these new games

What was wrong with 5? I don’t understand why so many people seem to not like 5

@@baffledsquirrel2122 It lost a lot of things that were present in previous forza games

So agree.. NFS and crew have wayy better customization but the handling is just awful

The problem with Turn10 is that when fans try to give them a good idea (like you just did), instead of just implementing they way you said it... they will instead try too hard to be clever and try to include their own twist to the idea... which ends up ruining the whole idea. For example, you say they should stop throwing money at players and making you start the game as a mega ceo. Well, instead of only reducing the money, some "genius" at turn10 will take that idea and change so that players will not game too much money BUT will also have to grind 5x as hard just to afford one car part.

@@angrysocialjusticewarrior dude that’s such a good point, it’s seriously like all or nothing. Some games that already do what you just said also love to take it further and add micro transactions. So it’s rather you own the world from the start or the grind is so tough that you need to fork over real life money to make the misery stop 😭. To me games like nfsug2, the crew 1 and forza horizon 1 were good at this happy medium of not to much and not to little

Exactly. My main problem with NFS for years has been the handling. NFS with Horizon handling would be a step in the right direction.

@@benn8793 man that would be the perfect game, they easily have the best customization catered to car guys, but the handling is so god awful and they attempt to change it every year but to no prevail, I think your right nfs should completely go the sim/arcade handling route that would be such a dope game. But until then maybe horizon can just execute all of the things the fans have been asking for and stop doing things that we are literary saying makes the game worse

Given the Clear amount of Stealth Testing for 6 that has been Happening in 5 Lately, I think PGG long ago chose to use the Old Engine Again as it is Reliable and they know how to get the best out of it!

If that's the case, I think I'd be happy if they use the old engine. Sure, it's the same thing, but considering the state of FM now, I'm just expecting a FULLY FUNCTIONAL game, and assuming they're using the old engine, and able to make the most of it, here's thinking they might aswell give some new stuff like a bit of story, or something... Basically, using old enhanced engine = game's already quite polished, so they can bring up some new stuff (here's also hoping they could at least update the old models, if rescan isn't possible)

@@horizon_angel Indeed, many of the Issues with FM8, such as the Lighting not working correctly, the Road De-Rendering at Random, Cars Popping out of nowhere, and the constant Crashes to Desktop/Dashboard are because the new "F-Tech" Engine is a barely Functional Spaghetti Code Disaster! they cannot use that new Engine! a Broken Horizon Game would Kill Forza Stone Dead! as Horizon has very much become the Main Series Now! The Old Forzatech M Engine Works Properly, is nice and Stable, PGG know how to get the best out of it, It should not be too hard to Update the Animations to 540 Degrees on Steering, Proper Animated Gearchanges, and get the Paddleshifter Animations (Building the Game off FH4's Core Code rather than 5's may work!) working again either, as Motorfest's "Anvil" Engine, like Forzatech M Engine, dates back to 2011, and is a Relic of the Xbox 360 era, so I see no reason why Forzatech M cannot be upgraded with Similar Animation Enhancements to Anvil. The Anti-Aliasing issues can be sorted easily as well by Replacing the 4X MSAA running on the CPU, built in for the Limitations of Xbox One, with a 4X TXAA Solution run on the GPU as with the PC Version by making the Game S/X Exclusive and Taking Advantage of both those Consoles having a PC Style Dedicated PCIE GPU Card, using AMD FXR (their version of DLSS) would be able to counter the lower Processor Power Levels on Series S by Reducing the Resolution to 720P when Needed to free up the Calculation Space needed for TXAA while Maintaining a Locked 60 FPS . The Larger RAM Levels on those Systems would also allow a much larger and much more vertical Map even with the Old Engine. Less FH5 Sand Pancake, more JC3 Style European Island Paradise. Yes, I want them to go back to the Med, the Med is *Perfect* for Horizon, it turned 2 into a Dreamscape! and I would like that Dreamscape again :) Indeed, FH6 Needs a Story, it needs to go back to Proper Pre-Rendered Cutscenes, we are loosing far too much nuance and Detail with this 2 Static Characters "in engine" Rubbish (let us take LaRacer from FH4, to someone who knows the Dialogue Cues it is Extremely Obvious that the Character is meant to be on the Autism Spectrum and thus somewhat Childlike (Possible Global Developmental Delay?) , but without the Cues, as there is no Nuance or Detail with the "in Engine" Stuff, that gets missed and she just comes off as Odd, Childish and Annoying, with Pre Rendered Cutscenes they could have added the Extra Nuance such as her Refusing to make Eye Contact with Superstar until the last Mission, Constantly Fidgeting, Chewing the Strings on her Hoodie, having Curly Elastic "No Tie" Laces in her Boots etc, to Sell that she is on the Spectrum! they could have bought her to Life!) with Proper Pre Rendered Cutscenes, you get all the Nuance and Details that bring the Characters to Life! It also needs a "Zero to Hero" Progression System again, no more of this "You are the Boss of Horizon, the Game is already over, you are entitled to everything, go play" Nonsense! it is just not Working! , go back to Starting us off as some Local Nobody in an Old Hot Hatch, and make us Work for the Games Porsche Mission X Cover Car! No wheelspins either, just Times the Race Reward CR by 10 to avoid an overblown Grind (no matter how much MS is going to want to force MTX, PGG needs to tell them, as is their Legal Right as a British Studio, to Take a Walk!) , so we actually have to Buy Cars from the Autoshow, Tie the Wristbands into story Progression like FH1 and Give the Game a Dedicated Beginning, Middle, and End, then the "You are the Festival Boss" at the End Game over 30 Hours or so after the Start, and there you go, Progression! Yes, Doing a Story at a PEGI 3 Rating is *very* Difficult, One Mistake and that Age Rating goes to a PEGI 7 or 12 and Microsoft will hit the Roof! (They mandated a PEGI 3 Rating for all Future Forza Games in 2019) but, it *can* be done, as Shown by GRiD Legends, which got a 3 Despite having a Positively *Murderous* Antagonist who was not only so utterly Unpleasant as to make *Darius Flynt* look like Robert Glenn by Comparison, but was also totally and absolutely *Unhinged* , and just sold with a Brilliantly *intense* performance from Callum McGowan that made the Character come across as Genuinely *Psychotic* at times! So it Can be done with the Hiring of a Skilled, Experienced and Professional Screenwriter, Having a Professional Screen Writer will also mean no more "bad episode of peppa pig" Level Writing ("sorry, that was mean" ) and force the Hiring of Professional Voice Actors so no more Offensively Bad Spanglish! Having a Story is the Perfect Hanger for a Zero to Hero Progression System and Proper Cutscenes, both Needed for FH6. Indeed, FH5 is becoming a very Polished Game now Torben is in Charge, Although I think 4 would be a better Starting point for 6 as it is not quite so heavily effected by "Mike Brown Malaise" as 5 is, by Starting from a Position of an Already Polished Game with a Fully Functional Game Engine and a Stable Core Code, and enhancing with the New Physics, TXAA, a much Larger, much more Vertical, more Varied, Map in a Vibrant, Alive, Modern, European Setting, with the Map built to force the use of the Roads (make going "Cross Country" a *bad* idea like it is in FH2 and in Rally Adventure, to force the Player to use the Roads!) and Build the Map (again, like FH2 and Rally Adventure) around the best Possible Driving and Racing Experiences with a Road Layout that Encourages good Race course Design (FH4 actually did that the best IMO) , is Logical, and is Built, Motorfest Style, with Roads aimed at Different Classes of Cars (Big Flat out Highway Loop for Hypercars, Professional Race Track for Track Toys and Race Cars, Tight, Fast, narrow Country Back Roads for Sports Cars, Technical and Vicious Trails for Rally, Wide open Sweeping coastal Roads for GT Cars, Urban Runs in a Big Modern City and Pretty, Little, Old, Towns and Villages for Hatchbacks, Mad Mountain Passes for Japanese Drift Masters, etc) and with the Festival as a Motorfest Style Character in its own Right with a Massive Festival Site that can be seen from miles away, Themed Balloons that mark Race Starts dotting the Sky, Drone and Firework and Laser Shows at night all over the Map, DJ Booths at every Race Start Point Like FH1, Graffiti, Titantrons and Billboards Everywhere like FH1, make the Festival alive and a Constant Presence! (A Genuinely Illegal Street Scene like in FH1 with meets in old Car Parks and Abandoned Industrial Buildings, Paying CR to Enter Races with a "Winner takes all" Jackpot, Condemnation from the Radio DJ's etc, may be Impossible at a 3 Rating however :( ) and FH6 could well be the best Horizon Since 2, and that would be made Possible by, instead of Scrapping and Starting Afresh, Building off the Core Base of FH4 which is Solid and Stable, Enhancing it with 5's Eventlab 2.0 Feature, its Lighting and its RTX Implementation, new TXAA, New Animations, a Story, a Great Map, FM8's Physics, and Motorfest level Car Sounds (even the *EV's* sound good in that Game!) and bobs yer uncle! True, Finding a Completely Factory Stock S15 Spec R to do a Rescan is going to be Mission: Impossible unless they can go to Nissan's Corporate Museum in Japan, and with Japan being very closed Borders at the Moment, that could be Impossible. Ubisoft have a very Good S15 model that they could use via a little bit closer co-operation between them and Microsoft, Ubisoft does own the Xbox Cloud Servers at the moment after all, the least they could do is share the much more accurate 3D "Skeleton" Mesh for their S15 Model for PGG to then wrap with the Textures and Coding needed for the Forzatech M Engine! as that old Model dates back to 2005, is utterly Misshapen, Outdated and offensively Bad, and has got to go! Just. So long as they do not set it in Communist China! Ugh! Just no! Europe Please! Peace Man!

​@@horizon_angeli wish FH6 used a similar engine to 2006's Test Drive Unlimited.

I want another Horizon 1 style map. Much, much larger, of course... but that one felt so much more real than anything after it.

@@Joose it actually felt like a car festival and that you achieved something

And they'll do it in Japan to get everyone to buy the game. This game or the next one, as a last hail Mary.

​@@DeejayJeanP If they wanted people to buy their game which already a very popular and doesn't require any gimmick to get people to buy it ,they would've done it years ago

jesus christ you PS fanboys shut up honestly

⁠@@GH0STST4RSCR34MDown the pit? they are up in revenue and subscriptions exponentially, have full control over Activision Blizzard now since Jan 1st 24, They have 5 games planned for release this year and more exclusives that will stem from Activision and their sub companies. Down the drain is fucking hilarious, Starfeild literally was steams 3rd best selling game and best selling in September regardless of how you see it. Forza is the biggest racing IP in the world they will not mess up Horizon 6 as everything but the map seems amazing, launch control, anti lag, graphics are insane, feel pf the vehicles are great. The empty map holds it back but blame that on Xbox one. Calling Microsoft down the drain when Xbox is up in every single main measurable metric bar console sales is insane. They have less console sales but they dont care because the console is the gateway into the subscription model and buying games so they focus on leveraging into other platforms, PC and steam. Sony has no games planned for this year bar remasters and I have a PS5 I fucking love my GOW and Spiderman before anyone says anything. Stop talking shit

​@@okay7332 Well said, it's actually Sony that are having internal issues with lay offs and firings. They fired Connie Booth and layed off Jim Ryan for failing to block the ABK deal. Sony's future is uncertain as they're going through internal struggles within the Company.

It’ll probably be in China

A BIG map, for once. They need to stop trying to cram so many environments into their maps. We want a big map that feels like a real place.... not "desert to rainforest to snowy mountains in a 5 minute drive".

@@Joose FH5s map is plenty big, they just need to design it better. But FH6s map should still be bigger with being next gen only

@@Oh_bet I strongly disagree

@@RidgeRunner4501 not sure why it’s actually a pretty reasonable spot. Where do you think it’ll be? Japan? Lol.

At least you're honest. A lot of people started pretending like FH4 was a good game when FH5 launched. But in reality, FH3 was the last good one.

As someone who only started playing at the end of FH4’s time, what made FH3 so good?

​@@riocastanon710FH3 is still amazing thanks to its vibrant setting at Australia.

​@@tek1645FH3 & 4 are equally last great ones.

Gts handing model wouldn't work open world

​@@MRJAYDANGEROUSwhat about Gran Turismo 3 handling model?

California would make a lot more sense than New York because it’s more diverse in terms of landscape. They can cut out a piece of CA and have a city, forest, beach, desert, and a great winter map. Plus they could always keep around some of the Mexico characters since CA is right above it.

I feel like California would be too controversial. Plus all the jokes about how strict cali is on car mods and stuff. I think the only state that could work would be Nevada with the Vegas strip included. But ultimately the most logical choices are Japan or Dubai

@@racdude01 I say this as a Mexican but California is no less controversial than Mexico and Nevada or Arizona would look identical to the Mexico map of mostly desert landscape aside from landmarks like the Grand Canyon and Vegas. California has the most to offer in terms of biome diversity. I will be genuinely shocked if FH6 doesn’t take place in Japan but if the Horizon Festival ever returns to the states I don’t think any state can compete with California in terms of map diversity

​@@riocastanon710i belive it maybe either at New Zealand or Alaska.

They could also improve the festival playlist system. Make all of the events EventLab so the events are more enjoyable. Got the idea from this channel a while back.

​@@MightcommentFH6 maybe gonna have about 500 Festival Event Playlists.

No motorsport car models look way better

Everything you just wrote that playground did, is all turn 10s work. Playground creates the map and gameplay design. They tune the physics that turn 10 developed to suit horizons playstyle. The assets such as cars, tuning, upgrade system, livery editor is all turn 10s.When you boot up a horizon game, the turn 10 logo is there, whenever there were presentations of new horizon games, turn 10 was there.This doesn't take away playgrounds contributions, they deserve all the accolades they've received. But there is no horizon without turn 10.

@@im2fast4u711that’s literally what he just said.

@@vonwynns1758 i dont think you read either comment, we're saying opposite things. He's crediting playground games with things turn 10 did.

@@im2fast4u711 yes and his last sentence was that they took what t10 did and made it better.

I don't think the car progression system is completely bad. It could be improved with a few changes. For example by cancelling the car points and replacing them with normal in-game money but keeping the levels. But I find the career completely boring. It's just a series of races with no real goal. Drive 4-6 races as a "championship" and do everything again until there are no more championships left...

​@@benn8793 @BlackPanthaa I've heard that take a lot (about upgrading with money instead of CP) and I think the thing is, the CP isn't intended to be a store front currency, it's intended to be more like Skill Points in an RPG (which is why you don't really have an inventory of parts). Maybe if they presented it like a Skill Tree and less like an Inventory, users might connect with that idea better. I agree with the career setup - it's hard to do a career mode without having some actual race-to-race strategy involved. I don't think it needs to be super deep to get the job done, but it should also be more than just a series of races, rinse and repeat.

Horizon 4 and 5 were very disappointing for me personally. Since Horizon 3, they've practically simply been recycling content and have hardly brought anything new...

dead and lifeless innit

Two different teams, we'll likely get FH6 first imo. Fable is a massive job and they're still yet to show anything, FH is building on what exists

​@GH0STST4RSCR34M a separate team from playground are developing it using the forzatech engine. Imo part of the reason motorsport took turn 10 so long is because of the changes needed in the engine to make a fable type game. Unfortunately for players the engine isn't ready and motorsport 23 has suffered because of it.

And more people, animals, birds.