If you're interested in more pedestrian interactions, Stephanie already risked her life walking in front of a moving vehicle here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ndX5o_zuFQs.html
We were driving on a busy road on FSD and came upon a tire in an exchange. Our 2023 y made no attempt to avoid it and I had to intervene. I was a little disappointed. I'm glad to see it avoided a child
I feel like the reason the CyberTruck has no FSD is that they are trying it. It seems to me that a front camera could easily become obscured and could possibly be too unreliable? The CyberTruck has a washer, so maybe they want to see if it is enough. I have been curious how much presure the camera cleaner on the CyberTruck has. All speculation but my thoughts. 😎🤙
@@chadclawson i am pretty sure tesla robotaxi will be a dedicated vehical. There is no way this setup can reach level five reliabley. It also weird that tesla choose to remove censors that can make the car super human, why try to become human driver when you can go beyond that.
Was arguing with a friend who thought tesla's still would run over children. This didnt completely alleviate the concerns but at least it's an improvement
They're very good at detecting cars and humans; That usually hasn't been a problem for Tesla. The problem is reliably detecting and classifying road debris (As we can see in this video). It will likely be a problem for a long time, since it's even a problem for human drivers! How do you tell the difference between a small fragment of rusted steel versus a brown leaf? One can puncture your tire, the other is harmless, but they both look the same from a distance.
Well if you override the FSD by pressing the accelerator pedal it will run over a child. Dan O'Dowd proved it 🤣 Your friend probably doesn't want to avoid all transport that will that though.
Actually it won't, even if you press the accelerator. I forget the time stamp, but look in this video ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-cJh-LQABNUg.html and the car brakes for the pedestrian even when Stephanie presses the accelerator
I love everything about this test. Haha so amusing! The sound effects and visuals. You both did an amazing job!!! Can you let Steph do the driving next time and you the props???
The amount of support you got from her is just unparalleled! 😊 For girls that is extremely boring & annoying & only true love can force them to wing up with you in this, I'm admire her, you should take her in some really fancy restaurant on the date, you know? She deserved that, some really good night with his loved one
I believe the slowing down each time the car approach the person on the side of the road is normal, because the car "thinks" that a person close to the road and immobile like that, may try to cross over at any time, and thus, the car is preparing itself in case something like this happens. Honestly, I prefer this kind of "safety first" reaction from FSD, than just driving normally and ignoring that pedestrian.
We take for granted things we and animals do so easily and that is to navigate the world based on what we see. Birds with their small brains are able to fly and navigate complex environments with ease and precision. But even they sometimes fly right into glass windows because they have not incorporated "buildings with glass windows" into the wirings of their brains.
What your seeing here is that when the FSD can no longer see the box the box no longer exists. It has me wondering should a FSD side camera fail and a car passes into the now dead zone if FSD is still aware that it has lost track of the car. Without specific training I don't think so.
I did a road trip in a friends Tesla with the FSD trial a few weeks ago and it was going to run over a pile of trash on the road, so I had to take over. I haven't driven with FSD since 2019 and I'd hoped it would be better about debris in 2024.
Edge case testing, good stuff. Maybe some functional ones? Like a person in a hi-viz vest holding a stop/go sign. Oh, how about a crazy person covered in blood advancing on the car swinging a sledge hammer? If it stops then you succumbed to the zombie invasion.... Stephanie might have to drive for that one ;-)
Love your videos. I’m still wondering about how FSD will react when a fire truck; ambulance or police car is responding to a call or school buses stopped ? I had a police car responding on the far left lane so FSD Supervised just kept driving 🤷♀️
I love that you're doing these videos! As a future MY owner (waiting on Juniper), these tests are so helpful. Can you simulate a tire flying towards the car (maybe foam?), rolling toward the car and sitting on the road? Seems like it's a common-enough occurrence on highways that it might be worth looking at.
I have an interesting idea! Inspired by road runner where the cartoon drawer a tunnel entrance on a wall. This might be hard to test, but will be very fascinating. Can you paint a large canvas of a tunnel or a road that is large enough length wise to cover the road, then see if the tesla stops or drives through it.
It's incredible. Detecting a toy a from very far is impressive. It did perfectly. I think that decision between proceeding forward and stoping is very important because there are situations where the car shouldn't brake for example a small snow pit that felt from another car, wind lifting leafs etc. Fsd does make really good decisions when to proceed and when to brake.
Debris on the road, potholes, and lack of proper driving on snow and ice are the top problems I see with autopilot and FSD. Cameras that don't see well in rain is also a downer.
not many youtubers would show so honestly also the trials when the timing etc doesn't work in this moment but that's nice to see 2 honest people here... great and interesting video. Shows also that every traffic situation is completely individual, e.g. an object is just half a second later somewhere or some inches more to the side and then everything turns out differently then concerning what an appropriate reaction would be
Great video! You need to send this to Dan O'Dowd, as well as NHTSA - maybe teach them a little about just how good FSD is getting these days! And many thanks to Stephanie for helping out with this video - that's true dedication!
I need to find pavement to do this at faster speeds. But tbf I think 25ish is a normal speed for somewhere you'd be interacting with kids. But up to 40 or 50 mph would be great to test too
@@DirtyTesla Do you use the adaptive speed setting? When I use it the car often goes way too fast (like 45 in a 30 zone) or much too slow. I drive on gravel roads quite often but usually don't go over 50. Thanks for these videos, they're great!
I was stopped at a Road Crossing next to Park . Two people on Horses Crossed in front of me it showed them on the screen as 4 people walking across the road.
the problem with this in my country is that Jay walker are waiting to cross the road. If the vehicle detect and slow down, either the pedestrain think it's a signal for them to cross or they get impatient waiting for the car to go pass them first.
The main issue in my area for FSD now is that it doesn't know whether an object or pothole in front of it is dangerous or safe. It's not always possible to drive around an object especially if there is traffic on both sides but a split second decision has to be made to brake, run it over, or move over just a few feet so it doesn't hit the tires but passes safely under the car. If it's a peace of clothing or a small dip it won't do any damage but a tiny sharp metal object or a pothole with a sharp edge will take out a tire/rim instantly.
3:04 no car visualization but it did briefly show a person on a bicycle. It perhaps identified the wheels of the roadster momentarily. Very interesting!
Hey Chris. Can you please swap the roles? I’d love to see Steph do the driving and you throwing and pulling the props. I’m sure the dynamics of the test will be slightly different and interesting.
I think you need to remove Stephanie from the vision system…. the car behaves differently when there are pedestrians nearby. Obviously mostly when they are near road but sometimes even just nearby (based on watching lots of FSD vids). So “don’t tell me it’s the person” doesn’t cut it…. you need to remove her completely. Just get a cardboard wall for her to hide behind. But thanks for all these tests.
I have 12.3.6 and have had it make a right turn into the bike lane (twice). It had to cross a solid white line to get into the bike lane treating it like a car travel lane (it was a wide bike lane). Big oops there. On the plus side, it actually recognized a 15 MPH school zone for the very first time.
I think while it is important that the car stops/moves away when an obstructive object is on the road, but maybe it is also important that the car doesn't stop for every little thing, because that way miscreants might disrupt Robotaxi quite easily.
Actually version 12 slowed down for two rabbits in my neighborhood around dusk, when they hopped away, it continued. The car was only going 20 mph and I'm not sure if it would have stopped, had they not hopped away.
CHRIS. Question: How much pressure dose the camera washer on the CyberTruck have, is it a little stream, or is a high pressure blast? Maybe do a Short on it where you put a few substances on it and see how well it cleans it.
it shows why having a front bumper camera is sooo crucial that is lacking in its S3XY lineup so that even small items can be observed and processed. Tesla needs to start adding the front bumper camera to its S3XY lineup besides just the Cybertruck. Definitely great to see FSD improving in object detection but I think it still needs more camera data to make a proper assessment. I wonder how the Phoenix radar is playing a bar in all of this as well.
Can you next time try to throw the ball instead of just rolling it? Or test objects like a horizontal bar that are not directly attached to the ground? It woul be interesting to see how it can estimate the distance to objects that do not have a connection to the ground. Like overhangs and so on.
very risky but I would like to see a real fsd emergency break, where the car has no chance to go around the blocking object*. Coming from higher speed like 40mph. Is fsd able to perform an early and very hard emergency breaking like a very good driver? *this could be a couple of soft barrier tapes in a shape of a wall that lifts suddenly or so
I'm curious how FSD would handle the situation that got Cruise into trouble in October 2023. A human driven car in the next lane hit a pedestrian who was thrown just in front of the Cruise vehicle. The Cruise vehicle stopped, but not until running over the pedestrian again. The Cruise vehicle knew something was wrong and tried to pull to the side of the road, dragging the person who what stuck under the car, adding to their injuries. I'm not so sure a human driver would have done any better at trying to stop, and it's also unclear a human driver would have known to not pull over. It's very common to pull over if you hit something in the road instead of just stopping in the middle of traffic. Getting out of your car in the middle of the road is super dangerous. My understanding is the human driven car that originally hit the pedestrian never stopped. I could not find any update on this. We might be able to simulate a a test for FSD by having a Tesla driving next to and a little behind another car that tossed some suitable object into the Tesla path, something that would not damage the Tesla if it ran over it like a Styrofoam or inflatable human dummy (seems to be $50 on Amazon). Two variations, one where there might be enough distance for the Tesla to swerve and another variation where the Tesla is guaranteed to run over the object. Maybe do the same test with a human driver as a baseline. Too bad MythBusters isn't still a thing, a test like this would be easy for them. Or maybe the folks judging the safety of autonomous technology should do this a make the results public. The public perhaps needs to get "calibrated" on what is is and is not realistically possible from an autonomous vehicle. Even if you had zero reaction time and perfect vision/sensors there are likely situations that could never have good outcomes, because of physics (I suppose unless you say vehicles can only travel 2 MPH and stopping distances are in inches).
We ran over a big piece of truck tire on Interstate while on FSD in our 2024vModel Y. It tore off the black plastic trim under the front bumper and pull the wire loose that controls the horn. One other time I had to manually steer around a piece of truck tire. It seems to have a hard time seeing dark colored objects in the road, maybe they blend not the pavement.
I think the problem is the confidence level it requires before deciding to break, if it would be to sensitive, you would get phantom breaks all over the place
Does FSD respond appropriately to cyclists on a two lane road? I’m a newbie to FSD and have been using it on a weekly (evening) drive on Huron River Drive between Ann Arbor and Dexter, and there are so many cyclists - and I’ve disengaged every time because I’m not sure what it’s going to do. Curious if you’ve had any experience with that situation.
Yes, if there's room it will move away from them to pass, if there's not room, it will stay back. But I've found the "go around to pass" can come a little later than what I would do, tho it still gives plenty of room.
tape the hotwheels car on a bendy rod to your roof to where its above the camera view, then while driving pull on a string to bring the hotsheels car into view of the camera, check emergency braking!
Someone has probably suggested this before, but would love to see a test with someone standing with a T-Shirt printed with Stop sign or speed limit and the like
Don’t agree with the bumper camera it could obviously be seen by the windshield camera it’s probably just training or whatever that makes it decide to ignore it or not but it does see it
These edge tests show that there needs to be more cameras in the cars to handle edge situations. The software side with neural networks are probably good enough now for FSD, there just needs to be more cameras so that FSD can be super safe.
Neither V11 nor V12.3.6 (hardware 3) recognize a horizontal stick gate. Most communities where I live are gated (both manned and unmanned). I always have to hit the brake to avoid crashing through a gate. I've reported such disengagements dozens of times. When I have passengers, I disengage ahead of time to avoid sudden braking.
Maybe someone already has, but you could try doing these things with both FSD and also with a "normal" driver (who also doesn't know about the debris) - I suspect we are at a point where FSD avoidance is just as good in some respects and possible even better in others. I'd be particularly interested in bad weather conditions(heavy rain/mist/fog) /low light also....
Our MYLR with USS didn't stop or swerve for tumbleweeds on FSD 12.3.4 at 70 mph in the AZ desert. No sign of Wiley Coyote out there -- maybe you could try the test with a cardboard cutout Wiley or Roadrunner!
