Showrunner Noah Hawley recently made some comments that suggest Prometheus and Alien Covenant will not be part of the continuity of his television series, which is a prequel. How could this affect the series overall?
Personally, I love the decision of going back to that retro-futuristic style. It is almost as synonymous with the Alien as the Xenomorph itself. Alien, Aliens and Alien: Isolation all had that style and are masterpieces on their own rights.
The retro style is fine - but the director should not pretend Prometheus and Covenant never happened. Personally, I like the idea that the reason computers look retro is because society on Earth collapsed at some point. Perhaps the collapse was caused by the fragility of advanced tech and post-collapse they opt to go for a more practical / functional / robust design - easy to repair. This also informs the director what Earth might now look like. I imagine there are 2 or 3 dystopian dictatorships controlling everything. Maybe they didn't find a good replacement for oil and gas - another reason for the collapse and retro tech. There is poverty everywhere, save for a few elites who get the fancy stuff for themselves.
@nicholasgordon4999 no replacement for oil and gas? ...in a setting with interstellar space travel and astroid mining? (Not to mentain all the ships seem to have some kind of goofy anti-gravity tech since they're not "spinning" O'neal Cylinder designs.
@@nicholasgordon4999I think the tech in Prometheus looks nice because its a super rich guys ship, but in Alien the Nostromo is basically a crappy dirty old truck
@@nicholasgordon4999IIRC the "canon" (as canon as anything in this franchise can be anyways...) Explanation for the technological disparity is that computer viruses became so advanced and dangerous, and terrorist organizations started to use them (namely the religious cult shown on Alien 3) that it became easier for big corporations and governments to fit their ships with actual old technology and primitive computers that wouldn't be affected by them like more modern ones would.
I think Noah Hawley has a lot of taste, and when you look at Fargo it’s clear that he prefers tension and gritty realism over flashy aesthetics. I think he just wants to honour those original films, and perhaps he isn’t a fan of the prequels but that’s not how he is selling it. He’s just old school and I love that.
Hawley is actually my biggest hope in this whole tv show thing. He strikes me as the type who likes the original and respects it, instead of just gutting it for fan service and use it as a front to sell his own vision. Or worse, Disneys vision...
@@koppsr Yeah exactly, and he doesn’t strike me as someone who will be pushed around by executive producers or Disney, at least I hope they just leave him alone to create the show he wants to make. He’s such a talented writer… just leave him alone!
Not really. They should've done Alien: Awakening to finish the prequel technology. Prometheus and Covenant were great. We need more of David and the engineers.
It’s complete nonsense. The aesthetic of Alien and Aliens was not retro-futurism, it was pure futurism in 1979 and 1986. It was not self- consciously “retro” at all. It’s only retro looking back from where we are now, so what Noah Hawley is talking about is straight up nostalgia. And I doubt that it is actually anything to do with aesthetic choices. It’s most likely due to budget restraints. The stuff I’ve seen about the story being centred around trans-humanism and “downloading/uploading” personalities seems to me of absolutely no-use whatsoever to the Alien story. If anything, it’s sounds like a poor, half-a$$ed appropriation of Prometheus and Covenant’s themes of creation and the desire to be Gods.
I think you could say Prometheus' tech was all prototype that were lost in the crash and the company just wrote it off. Thats what I told my self at least.
I’m sorry to hear that West Ochse passed away. I wrote to him after I read Aliens: Infiltrator telling him how much I enjoyed it. Across all these decades none of the films explored what would happen if WY actually got the chance to experiment with the Xenos, which seemed like the next logical step to me. Weston’s book told that story brilliantly. He not only wrote me back, but he sent me a signed copy. What a great guy :)
@@Valorius Yes, but not in the way anyone wanted to see. If you read Aliens: Infiltrator, you’d know what I mean. And it isn’t WY, the antagonists we’d become invested in as an audience, doing the experimenting in Alien Resurrection. Don’t get me wrong, I enjoy AR, but I’m not sure if I consider it canon personally.
@@steviedow1701 It was inevitable that SOMEONE was going to do it, and having the military be responsible made the most sense; the first two films showed how quickly things got out of hand when the Company attempted it at the civilian level. Granted, even in AR things went arse-over-tit, but one can argue that these Ripley-derived Aliens showed more co-operation and ingenuity (in the absence of a Queen) than the originals would have done, and that the protocols in place might have been more capable of dealing with the originals. I consider it quite reasonable to posit that after the loss of the Nostromo, the LV428 colony, the Sulaco and the Fury 161 facility, someone in higher management at W-Y might easily have stepped in and said no, every time we touch this thing it's a disaster of monumental proportions with no profit accruing; we're going to cut our losses and leave it the hell alone. So the Ripley blood samples go to the military with a strong recommendation to do the research on a ship in deep space, and that's when the long haul begins to try to drag each one's DNA apart from the other, with results that we know.
The lines about retro futurism just made me very optimistic about the show, just like that single set photo from Fede Alvarez showing an Isolation-like corridor made me very optimistic for Romulus. That messy, lived in retro futurism is what made the Alien universe for me, I hope that everyone sticks to it from now on
FX’s Fargo and Legion are both masterpieces . Noah Hawley is the reason why . He took themes/ideas from source material and turned them into something beyond expectations . I can imagine him staying true to the claustrophobic mood and psychological horror of Alien; meanwhile I can’t think of a more perfect fit for someone to take bring the world of Alien to new and unexpected places . Very exited for this project.
Masterpieces with significant examples of excess. Legion got EXTREMELY lost in its own kaleidoscopic nether regions. So did Fargo (season 4). Hawley’s extremely talented and fantastic when he buckles down, but really loses the thread when he isn’t held in check. Hopefully he’s learned from those.
Hmm, loved Legion for several reasons. It's over the top for sure and not for everyone, but it's acceptable since it's a show about mental illness and the supernatural, and it's internally consistent, which is crucial. At any rate, Legion made Hawley's name stick in my head to the point that I'd watch his Fargo despite not loving the original film, so yeah, I'd give him a whack at Alien, especially from how it sounds they're approaching it. Hope it's not marketing BS. I'd certainly bet on him succeeding at it than Scott, who's not made anything noteworthy in about two decades. Even Blomkamp has gradually lost his touch despite the shorter career, though that leaked concept art is admittedly pretty cool. tl;dr: Whatever retconning happens, even if they don't get rid of or ignore the Prometheus arc, I trust Hawley to do a good job.
I see no reason why there can't be both technologies in it. The rich have the top of the line at their disposal, while people like the crew of the nostromo are forced to use dated or recycled technology.
The problem is the difference in the state of the tech is extreme, to the point of being a continuity error. Like when Star Trek Discovery had holograms/decks ... decades/centuries more advanced than when they were discovered during Enterprise. A show that it supposedly immediately follows. Meaning Captain Archer gives the "Address" to create the Federation and BAM ... Discovery starts. INSTANT continuity error and in a big way, too.
Noah Hawley made the best marvel content with Legion and did amazing work with Fargo... I'm positive that he's going to make the best Alien content since Aliens.
We Legion fans gotta stick together! There are so few of us? Legion could have easily gone off the rails, but to my surprise Hawley wrangled all that insanity into a meaningful ending that didn’t disappoint. 👏👏👏
I’ve always assumed that the difference in technology was films was mildly realistic in a strange sense, in Prometheus it was a funded mission from the ceo of the largest company in hopes of not dying, there was no mission more important (he was also secretly on board) so of course the ship and money spent on everything involved was greater then that of those in the originals. Company’s will try cut costs where ever they can- and that’s how I’ve always seen it.
This, it's been a few years since I re-watched either movie, but I don't recall there really being a look at "normal people" scenes that didn't involve the company.
It's also just simply the Era of filmmaking those movies were made. Tools get better. It's like comparing the first Mission Impossible film to the latest one. Art changes...
anyway, COVENANT and its extra materials make it clear that the classic Xenomorph lifecycle was inherently built into the design of the organism all along. David did not create it, he studied it. what David did create was the altered version that allowed a fully formed (but small) Xenomorph to hatch from a host instead of the classic chestburster. so i don't see any contradiction. the series can use the classic lifecycle because that existed long before David's experiments.
He did create it... he experimented many times until he said he finally had made the perfect organism. He used Shaws female DNA to help create the queen hugger embryo also.
If by extra materials you mean behind the scenes and other stuff that wasn't in the theatrical release, then it might as well not exist. Why? because if I have to to go external sources to justify a continuity error that was made intentionally, then that just solidifies the poor writing of the 2 prequels. By their very nature, they contradict ALIEN. Splitting hairs so a movie that was the definition of what NOT to do in a sequel to a prequel that was the definition of movie plot hole ... is not going to do you any favors. I'm not jumping up and down screaming "THEY'RE NOT CANON!!! REEEEEEEE!!!!" like a child like some do because they can't justify their claims or opinions. I'm going off of established canon, standards for good writing, and the small details that make certain things either impossible or simply stupid.
If the audience has to do homework in order for the film to make sense or fit into the established continuity of the universe, it's a poorly written film.
I can't say for sure, but I feel like he's more focusing on the original Alien & Aliens and ignoring all others, may even include Alien 3, which maybe the smart move as most of the fanbase liked/loved the first two, so bringing them on board could be the best move especially for the old fans.
They're not retconning anything at all either before or after because there's no need to. The TV series just like the upcoming movie is its own thing, set in the same universe, but not directly connected to it.
I love Alien Covenant and I am so bummed we aren't going to get the conclusion of the story. This is the second time a Ridley Scott project I love has ended with out us getting a conclusion :( The other being Raised by Wolves.
@@mortanos8938 The audiences are morons and the franchise flopped because of it. Disney just resurrected it but changes will have to be made and budgets cut (simple horror movie, and retro futuristic tv show) since the franchise is too gory and cannot appeal to a large public.
That's because americans only like things with guns and explosions in it.Prometheus was never meant to be about the Alien creatures to begin with it was always meant to be a prequel that elaborated on the Space Jockey/Engineers dating as far back as 1980.
You should check out the Alien tabletop roleplaying game by Free League. It does a good job fitting all sources into a coherent narrative, also suggesting David only produced a cheap knock off of the xenomorph. It's written by the story consultant for the Alien franchise who works for 20th century fox and has a great expertise on the matter.
Ridley Scott and Alan Dean Foster intentionally wrote David as having created knock off Xenos, reverse engineering the Engineer's work. So l need to check that game out, it's apparently made by real fans
Maybe the Engineers knew of the Xenos and wanted to develop a bio weapon that made them easier to spread as a disease. Making it a microorganism would make it more difficult to detect before the eggs and adults were suddenly prevalent throughout an ecosystem
@@TheHaddonfieldRegistry Ridley Scott said that David created THE alien. So he definitely changed his mind, and went with David being the original creator. And yes, I think it's super dumb. I'm happy Fox and the new series will ignore that.
Absolutely, Fox media has stated that the Alien RPG by free league was also tasked with bringing together all the different elements of the Alien EU(minus AVP) into a cohesive guide for all future Alien projects. This guide/bible so to speak, is officially licensed by Fox media as canon. The future retro look was explained as being the result of a human sphere wide computer system hack and data wipe that caused the almost collapse of society. The future computer/tech systems were built less vulnerable by using older tech that made a future system wide hack/wipe almost impossible.
The Xenomorph needs to feel 'alien' again. The real reason David became the centre of all things is that he was the only good character Ridley managed to come up with. Turning Geiger's elephantine pilot into a race of blue humanoids was another move nobody asked for. The Xenomorph is most impressive as an evolved creature. Perfect.
It was disrespectful of Ridley to retcon giger’s iconic space jockey. Like you, I would have have been happy if the xeno was a naturally occurring species. However, I also would have liked it if they were bio mechanical drones that were made by the space jockey civilisation (their equivalent of androids) that ran amok.
That is not quite true. There were one too many voices that wanted to understand more about the third race that never got the focus it deserved ever since Alien came out way back in 1979. Personally I want to delve much deeper into the lore of the engineers and the fact that they are not just our creators but use humans as a byproduct to grow xenomorphs for their bio weapons industry. They are such a rich addition to the Alien universe. The Alien storyline is not some cheap horror movie repeat like Halloween or Scream. Alien is so much more.
I liked the idea there are things going on in the universe that humanity has no idea of. Space Jockeys and other races, all doing their things. Make the universe an old dark, dangerous place that humans are only a tiny part of. Instead of HFY and a 'You blow, I'll do the fingering' android that has gone bonkers.
It's such a shame that we may never get to finish David's story I personally like Prometheus and Alien Covenant and the Engineers are by far my most favorite movie alien. I'd love just a movie with just the Engineers but that'll never happen idk I'm not really excited for the upcoming media we never finished the previous story. Having a movie set in between 1 and 2 feels needless imo.
i'll agree that i would like to see more of David's story. Maybe a book about him that lets you get inside his head and experience his "ruined symphony"
Before you even start reading my comment, I apologise for having written half a book, but if you go ahead you may like what you read🙃 When I first watched Prometheus and Covenant I was unsure what to make of it, but over the years the more I watched them, the more it made sense, and now I do not wish to view the Alien universe without them. I love the fact that the Engineers are basically humanity's gods, having created man in their appearance, but not just because they can. We are basically a byproduct for the production of xenomorphs for their bio weapons industry and me being a huge AVP1 (not 2) fan, I wrote a little backround on how to keep Ridley's vision whilst still allowing the Predator amalgamation to exist despite Ridley Scott's disaproval of that. Two more things I loved about Prometheus were the "invitation" which was basically a fail safe for the Engineers that when the day came that humanity would have the technology to visit the Engineers, these would know that now the time is ripe to cull this world since these humans had become advanced enough to become a possible threat. My storyline also contains the theory that there are many more worlds out there which not only had been terraformed by Engineers, but also used as farmland for other humans, meaning that there might be many worlds out there containing our very same species, only with very different cultures, technologies and various stages of technologies depending on when they were founded. The second factor I loved so much about Prometheus was the Black goo (or Gods juice as I like to call it). This substance is basically the pinnacle of evolution, having the ability to overwrite the genes of any known free moving organism, which is why xenomorphs can vary depending on which creature they infested. Just imagine the potential for the creative department when you take into account what the outcome might be if let's say a Zoo in Cincinnati was run over by Aliens. What would a xenomorph Elephant, Giraffe, Gorilla or Octopus look like. So far we have only seen a few Xenomorph variants and only one based on an animal in Alien 3 which started out as an Ox or Dog, depending on Theatrical release or Directors cut. Theoretically you could even include the movie "The thing", argumenting that the Black goo/God juice was it's seed. In the prequel which came out 2011, the end of the movie offers a possible explanation on how it would fit in. (Not going to say what "spoiler alert" just in case you have not seen this amazing movie). Oh and another great Sci Fi of similar content is called "Life". I can sincerely recommend it. Greedy companies such as Disney buy up what they can and then go on to printing money by pouring out conveyorbelt crap and watering down the once great visions of better men regardless of how the fans will take to it. They ruined Star Wars for me, Marvel for many comic fans, although personally I do like a great number of them, but now that they have dug their greedy money grabbing claws into my favorite universe I am deeply worried of the outcome. Already they have earned my hate for having thrown the final puzzle piece away which would have linked the Prometheus prequels with 1979's Alien (Covenant 2). Now I learn of Noah Hawley's lame excuse and the same vibes come up that once plagued the production and storyline of Alien 3. I plan to write my own version and I believe I can do better than these overrated writers. Just too bad that no one will want to read it.
@@mortanos8938 i did read it all and appreciate your take. something that stands out is your phrase "my storyline." i think that's important to remember, that all of us have our own versions of how all these stories tie together. all valid in their own right. some more plausible than others. i like your thought that the xenomorph retain the "ability" of the goo to incorporate a host's physical characteristics into their own life cycle
What's hilarious is that every film retcons elements of the canonical authenticity of its predecessors, because it's about a creature that isn't really supposed to ever be the same, because every brood can instantly iterate to suit the conditions of its environment. Novels and comics excluded (because audiences couldn't care less) you're not really seeing one common lifecycle from one film to the next, so arguing about what's canon is like emptying the ocean with a teaspoon, but people still continue to argue canon because successive films aren't just lazily copy-pasting what Ridley Scott and Jim Cameron did. It doesn't really matter whether they retcon the prequels or not, because the antagonist can literally be anything the plot needs it to be due to its unique adaptability, and that's exactly what it should be to exhibit the skills of the writer and director. What actually matters is whether they have something new and unique to say, and whether they have an effective and interesting way to present it. At this rate, the best we can hope for is that they don't lazily follow the tired industry norm of the last decade where they just limply regurgitate things that people recognize onto the screen, because it's the "safe approach" to audience acceptance. You can mock Ridley's prequels for not being genre classics, but at least he was aiming for something different, rather than churning out cheap fan service schlock like so many other things these days. I frankly would like to see them not rely on anything from Scott or Cameron as a creative crutch at all. Show me what you can really do to make your own mark on the franchise without falling back on their accomplishments, and maybe then I'll be impressed.
@@supoa9489 People who can't thread sentences together really shouldn't be making comments about how poorly other things are threaded together. Also, it's called reading comprehension, try it sometime...
@@Anamnesis You can get butthurt all you want by trying to insult my grammar, doesn't actually change the movies were failures. But it's not surprising people like who like these movies shouldn't be taken seriously. This partly reason way Ridley Scott ideas were shut down in the first Alien film, it would lend to completely diaster or film with wasted potential
It all makes me wonder whether Ridley Scott has accepted any role as the keeper of the mythos. Is he exercising any control over it at all, or just conceding to whatever idea sounds good at the time.
See, the way I view it, there really CAN'T be any "keeper of the mythos" as you put it. Alien isn't a series like Star Wars or Terminator, where it's the result of one man's creative vision (at first, anyway). Alien has always been a culmination of different creative visions coming together as one. Dan O'Bannon, H.R. Giger, Ridley Scott, and several others all contributed to what became the original Alien in their own ways, and the same holds true with Aliens, just with James Cameron. One person can't dictate the way this universe goes like George Lucas with Star Wars or James Cameron with Terminator.
I like to think of the aliens universe as a multiverse of possibility. Alien has its own separate universe, Aliens is a continuation in another, Alien 3 the same, and so on. Each tends to deviate from the former in small ways. The AVP films certainly exist in their own separate timeline, with the Predators being there. As for the prequels... they're not really prequels anyway, but more of a reboot that never took off. So they also have their own universe and direction that we never got to see play out. And if you try to combine everything... it's incredibly messy and full of holes. The only way a vast combination works is if the creature has always existed, and is either seeded on alien worlds by the Predators, as like in the comics, or were put there long ago as a sort of mind field. Whatever put those 'mines' in, didn't want humanity or a similar species to wander into another section of the galaxy. Then you have another whole angle, and if the xenomorphs were fencing off the different parts of the galaxy, why? Remnants from an ancient galactic war? Territorial division? Or a means to protect species from an even greater monster past the barrier.... the universe is full of possibility, and it's always been fun to think about. Of course, there are plenty of other theories, but I'm not going to write a book here. I'm more interested to see what the new movie and series brings to the table.
I think this is for the best. Scott and Foster are the only two who should be continuing the mythology set up in P/AC, but since the reception wasn't good enough to continue the story, following the original film's lore and production design is a better choice. If and when Scott wants to extend the P/AC story, it should be him that does it
I loved Prometheus and I enjoyed Covenant. However I wish Covenant would have had more engagement and a deeper dive into the Engineers and their planet so it was as good as I was hoping.
I watched Prometheus for the first time in 3D on my projector not long ago, and i thought it was incredible. The 3D was very well done, and i give the movie credit for what it is really.
Covenant was ruined due to NPC audience crying about too little action. Then Covenant flopped because the same NpCs cried about too much action. Then Ridley Scott said okay Fckit Im outta here. It sucks. So many questions more open now and none of those new and all the old questions will be solved and no battle between engineers and davids xeno army
I wasn't a fan of into charybdis but its predecessor The Cold Forge was my favorite alien book to date. Would love to see it used in some way in the future.
@@jneilson7568 indeed. Though it's sequel had promise, it became very melodramatic and a bit dragged out. Too many characters that I was getting confused. But the Cold Forge was a great read. Its human antagonist was so well done.
You guys have some really strange taste. A bunch of unlikable psychopaths and an Alien as backdrop. Yikes. Into Charybdis was even worse. White is a horrible writer and his only character models seem to be psychopaths, sociopaths and unlikable caricatures of real people. Again, yikes.
You guys have some really strange taste. A bunch of unlikable psychopaths and an Alien as backdrop. Yikes. Into Charybdis was even worse. White is a horrible writer and his only character models seem to be psychopaths, sociopaths and unlikable caricatures of real people. Again, yikes.
I also had Hawley’s problem with the post-millennium tech upgrade in Prometheus when it first came out. In years since I have justified it to myself that Weyland is a billionaire with access to cutting edge and experimental technology - The Nostromo is a 15 year old Interstellar Cruiser repurposed as a Tug, essentially. It’s the difference between a private jet and a big rig. So it doesn’t bother me as much anymore - but that said, I don’t revisit the prequels very often. I don’t mind them, I certainly don’t hate them. But the one two punch of Alien and Aliens just feeds my soul in ways the other films can’t. Fingers crossed for Romulus!
My idea for an alien tv-series is as follows: It takes places just before the events in the first alien movie and happens on a planet near where the nostromo spaceship is shipping ore.Weyland-Yutani is on the planet and have terraformed it for years,when they discovers a cave with lots of xenomorph eggs. One of them get's infected and a xenomorph is born. It turns out to be a queen,and a lot of the Weyland-Yutani humans are infected and then a war breaks out.All the humans on the planet are wiped out and only a few manage to escape in a spaceship.Then they nuke the planet from orbit. Then Weyland-Yutani regrets the decision and a hunt for the xenomorph begins.They get a tip that there's a crashed spaceship on lv426 and sends the robot Ash on the Nostromo spaceship.But they are informed that the mission has failed and that Nostromo has gone missing.Then Weyland-Yutani get's a tip about an xenomorph on Fiorina161 and sends a team of researchers there.They finds a surviving prisoner that is impreagnated and a queen is born. Weyland-Yutani then wants to use the xenomorphs on the planets where the engineers are located because they want the technology to seed planets with life. They also want the elixir that provides humans with prolongued life.After they have managed to give birth to a flock of xenomorphs,they drops them on an engineer planet and causes everyone of them to die.Then they get hold of the blue elixir that gives prolongued life.But several ships with engineers that where away from their planet when Weyland-Yutani wiped the population out,pursue them and manages to get the elixir back,but gets trapped on the planet where both parties crash.Then a battle takes place and the crew from Weyland-Yutani gets the elixir that gives them prolongued life for thousands of years,but they are now trapped on the planet,with no means to get anywhere.But then they see a light aproaching,but is the spaceship friends or foes ?
I'm not a fan with where Prometheus and Covenant seemed to be headed, but to not mess with the timeline more, David's version of the xenomorphs could just be him coming to a similar experimental conclusion that the Engineers came to long before. That is, he used the same blue prints to create his xenomorphs and they looked remarkably similar to what we saw in Alien and Aliens, because the design made sense to them. I wouldn't get emotionally attached to the end result. Like with Terminator, there have been so many attempts that it's become absurd. Terminator does have the advantage of Time Travel being a key feature of their plot, and they can write those other movies off easily with that. As far as Alien, I don't know anything about the new show outside of what was said in this video, but it could easily involve the old models of xenomorph that (I assume) we see in Alien, and they could even connect to the event's of AVP 1 & 2. it could also have a secret, and vague, connection to Scott's prequels if they really wanted to. Whatever happens after the events of Covenant could end up concluding in a bubble that the outside universe never learns of. And the events of the tv show could also end in a bubble that the rest of the world never learns of. They could also tie in the end of the show to what causes the events in Alien to happen in the first place. Like the end of it sets up Weyland-Yutani being familiar with the kind of signal the ship from LV-427 would have and having the company hoping to one day find it again, which then the Nostromo does. There are a lot of different ways they could pursue this. I just hate how these franchises being milked so much for profit end up diluting the story to the point that we get unfinishable stories because they were so poorly done, or interfered with by studio heads, that it's pointless to get attached to them in a more meaningful way.
Before you even start reading my comment, I apologise for having written half a book, but if you go ahead you may like what you read🙃 When I first watched Prometheus and Covenant I was unsure what to make of it, but over the years the more I watched them, the more it made sense, and now I do not wish to view the Alien universe without them. I love the fact that the Engineers are basically humanity's gods, having created man in their appearance, but not just because they can. We are basically a byproduct for the production of xenomorphs for their bio weapons industry and me being a huge AVP1 (not 2) fan, I wrote a little backround on how to keep Ridley's vision whilst still allowing the Predator amalgamation to exist despite Ridley Scott's disaproval of that. Two more things I loved about Prometheus were the "invitation" which was basically a fail safe for the Engineers that when the day came that humanity would have the technology to visit the Engineers, these would know that now the time is ripe to cull this world since these humans had become advanced enough to become a possible threat. My storyline also contains the theory that there are many more worlds out there which not only had been terraformed by Engineers, but also used as farmland for other humans, meaning that there might be many worlds out there containing our very same species, only with very different cultures, technologies and various stages of technologies depending on when they were founded. The second factor I loved so much about Prometheus was the Black goo (or Gods juice as I like to call it). This substance is basically the pinnacle of evolution, having the ability to overwrite the genes of any known free moving organism, which is why xenomorphs can vary depending on which creature they infested. Just imagine the potential for the creative department when you take into account what the outcome might be if let's say a Zoo in Cincinnati was run over by Aliens. What would a xenomorph Elephant, Giraffe, Gorilla or Octopus look like. So far we have only seen a few Xenomorph variants and only one based on an animal in Alien 3 which started out as an Ox or Dog, depending on Theatrical release or Directors cut. Theoretically you could even include the movie "The thing", argumenting that the Black goo/God juice was it's seed. In the prequel which came out 2011, the end of the movie offers a possible explanation on how it would fit in. (Not going to say what "spoiler alert" just in case you have not seen this amazing movie). Oh and another great Sci Fi of similar content is called "Life". I can sincerely recommend it. Aside the fact that you dislike Prometheus and Covenant, I cannot but agree with what you said. You spoke from my heart about what you said regarding greedy companies such as Disney who buy up what they can and then go on to printing money by pouring out conveyorbelt crap and watering down the once great visions of better men regardless of how the fans will take to it. They ruined Star Wars for me, Marvel for many comic fans, although personally I do like a great number of them, but now that they have dug their greedy money grabbing claws into my favorite universe I am deeply worried of the outcome. Already they have earned my hate for having thrown the final puzzle piece away which would have linked the Prometheus prequels with 1979's Alien (Covenant 2). Now I learn of Noah Hawley's comment and the same vibes come up that once plagued the production and storyline of Alien 3. I plan to write my own version and I believe I can do better than these overrated writers. Just too bad that no one will want to read it.
Why did Ridley Scott mix Prometheus with alien is my question. Originally he was going to keep that isolated from the other. The world of Engineers could be their own movies. Better writing ofcourse, but loved the concept.
What Ridley did in Prometheus and Covenant I REALLY wanted to work. People shat all over Prometheus when it first came out. I did too. But then I watched it a few more times and . . . I actually kind of like it. The mystery of where that story was headed intrigued me. I liked the idea of Shaw and David going on a grand and mysterious adventure. I also liked Covenant somewhat. Again. I liked where it was headed. David was a suicide bomber and his weapon was the xenomorph. I wanted to see him unleash hell on an unsuspecting colony. I also sort of liked that the creation of the xenomorph was quite poetic. Humans create synthetics, and synthetics inevitably seek revenge by creating the xenomorph to kill their creator. . . . But . . . Ultimately I think the origin of the xenomorph is best left to a mystery. I think about that scene in the first Alien when they see the pilot in his chair with his chest exploded. What happened? How? Who are they? What was he doing? Why? What killed him? Did they create the xenomorph? These were intriguing mysteries and there simply isn't a writer or director skilled enough to give me answers that are better than the ones I created in my own head canon.
Reasonable. though I think the mystery of the original Space Jockey still stands as it looked to me like the Engineers came along centuries later to exploit and refine their technology.
Honestly, if a sequel to covenant ever gets made it would have been great if the engineers that seed the galaxy returned (the engineer society on the planet were a seeded species, like humans) and kill David due to his blasphemy of bringing back to life the perfect organism they outlawed from the universe millions of years ago. That's what I thought was being set up - hence why the space jockey in the original alien was fossilised. Engineers became warlike and stopped seeding the universe due to creating the Xeno which almost wiped them all out. Millions of years later man creates Android who also creates a Xeno (if it is the perfect organism, all societies will come to the same design. Just like an alien species would create jet fighters or weapons like ours) It's all cyclical. David sees himself as a divine creator but he's just trapped in the same cyclical chain of events. The entire thing mirrors the rise and fall of human societies, art and knowledge is created, lost, then found again
It would also parallel the idea of the Xeno being a summoned demon if you look at it as a religious allegory. Engineers, humans, androids...when they commit the sin of anger or pride they always 'conjure' the same creature from hell
I always imagined a sequel in which a ship full of scientists and archeologists picked up the trail from the Prometheus and discovered worlds and civilisations all wiped out by the Xenomorph across multiple star systems. They eventually get to a planet ruled over by megalomaniac David in control of an alien hive and a subservient human population (descendants of the colonist population at the end of Covenant). Stuff happens, blah blah. Eventually the last remaining engineers land in the planet and wipe out david and his Xeno population (in the nick of time of course) and warn him they will return to deal with earth if they ever try to revive the Xeno either by creating it or discovering egg populations across the galaxy. Ties right back to the evils of the company and its desire to capture a Xeno. It's all very convoluted at this point but I don't know how else you would tie up the story in a way that makes sense Could have the chick from covenant in it too, not sure how however. You wouldn't want to kill 2 female characters off screen in this franchise
I love what he said about the prequels but the problem with a TV series is that each episode might try and have a "suspenseful" ending. Will that mean that someone is deaded by an alien? Or will it mean that they just keep escaping, like in Scooby Doo?
I liken the disparity in technology from Prometheus to the Nostromo as the difference between a Russian Oligarch's Mega-yacht and a 50 year old container ship doing the Miami - Caribbean Island runs. There is simply no comparison. According to the history given of the Nostromo it was in service long before the Prometheus mission was launched.
I dont need producers to tell me what's Canon. Alien, Aliens, Alien 3 and Alien Isolation seem pretty coherent. The books Out of the Shadows, Sea of Sorrows and River of Pain were pretty good too. At a stretch I'd include Resurrection, but it's a bit too comic book in execution. Definitely support the retro futuristic look though. In my head I had tried to make the chunky retro tech work as some way of accounting for the time required to travel vast distances and keeping tech compatible, with the fancy Prometheus/Covenant tech being saved for the mega wealthy. But after Ridley made such a shocking job of the stories in those films, I prefer to see them as entertaining side shows inspired by the original 3. And that's the point in at with the franchise, keep making them and I'll decide whats Canon for me. Just don't let Ridley anywhere near anything but the cinematography and fx. He's a technician not a storyteller!
I’ve enjoyed watching your vids about the prequels so much more than actually watching the films, so I’m in that group of fans he’s rearing to. Even though the lore and potential of them fascinates me, the viewing experience blew. I like Hawley’s work in general. Even when he misses the mark you can see his effort to give you something you haven’t seen before. LEGION was crazy over the top visually; FARGO is naturalistic, so it’ll be interesting to see where he lands between the two. I’m really excited about the project.
Ridley: It’s f****n great… To the director of it! Ridley is past his prime though and said “the beast was cooked/done” during an interview for Prometheus I believe. He’s still great but I’m skeptical
Scott made three of the Alien movies. And I like all of them (Chaos Editions of the prequels, obviously). I'm all for the retro-tech and taking the story in new directions, but not keen on dismissing the Prometheus and Covenant. Then again, nothing in the prequels rules out use of Engineers, the classic Xenomorph, etc. David's experiments are his own, the Engineers' creations were their own, not stated as definitive and exclusive efforts in bio-engineering. The role-playing game's scenarios and campaigns (which need to be discussed more here) are set elsewhere to the movies, and other factions of Engineers, their legacy and deadly creations. So I think there's plenty of room, so long as the series doesn't immediately state itself as the new, total and absolutele truth!
@@tulinfirenze1990 Dont be stvpid. They should've done Alien: Awakening to finish the prequel technology. Prometheus and Covenant were great. We need more of David and the engineers.
He directed the first film he did not create the mythos or design or write anything. He does not get to decide where it goes and retcon lore that's been around for decades. prometheus and Covenant got slapped into the Alien franchise to get them more attention.
I liked David's descent into madness in Alien Covenant, his obsessive zoological drawings and experiments leading him to create the perfect organism. I think the prequels had some fun ideas. But I agree with everything Noah Hawley said here. The retro tech feels way more cut off from contact with society, and honestly just more inviting than all the slick smartphone holograms, and the prequels are pretty unsatisfying as an origin for the alien, and even the space jockey. Wherever I've heard Ridley Scott talk about the prequels, it sounds more like he was just trying to jump back into executing a well-made scifi horror movie, rather than feeling invested in the the lore they establish. Might not be attached to his own answers to the questions set up in Alien that he found intriguing enough to make prequels about. It seems considerate/tactful though that Noah Hawley said they weren't "useful" for what he was making. People should still be able to enjoy the prequels if they enjoy them. I can turn a blind eye to the Starwars sequels even if Disney says they replace all the old novelization tie-ins
The "ultra tech" could be done away with relatively easily. Blade Runner / Alien are supposed to be the same world. In Blade Runner's world there was an EMP event when electronics got destroyed. They could either: say that only robust "industrial" tech can be safely used or the very least these are the ones to be used for certain tasks. If there is a timeline issue, you could always have a similar repeat event when this decision is made etc. It would make sense: electronics are susceptible to radiation. So it would make sense to use robust systems, especially in space.
Agreed about the aesthetic. The Prometheus and The Covenant were science vessels. Making them look the part shouldn't be seen as a problem. The Nostromo was a space truck, and the Sulaco was a military craft. They aren't going to be as high tech looking. Either way, that was far from the problem of the prequels. As for movie retconning, even a film in a series I don't like shouldn't be ousted. For better or worse, it's there once it's released. To me, even the AVP movies are canon. They are so far apart in years that it doesn't hurt much of anything, and it also gives a major out that, no, David did not create the xenomorph. That's just my head-canon though.
Cost of the Nostromo (minus payload), $42,000,000. Cost of the Prometheus expedition, $1,000,000,000,000. The apple store versus old tech argument to me is settled by Prometheus being bespoke hardware and the Nostromo being a 'tug'. Self-driving cybertruck versus a 1960s stock Hummer. Everything fits in the narrative hole if the plot hammer is big enough. I just hope both series and movie are good.
Hello AT! Told you id see you in the next comment section, video is goose approved, and I'm so excited for the movie and show! Im hopping the movie will show the creation of the current earth world powers.
Hasn't it always been the case that fans have been left to bridge the plot holes that careless directors and script writers in our favourite movies? The Parsecs in the Kessel run, the Egg in Alien 3, How did they get Alien DNA from Ripley's blood in Resurrection etc. Fans always come up with way better explanations than Hollywood!
As someone who loves the Fargo series to death, and hearing his remarks about his Alien series lately... I'm really excited to see what he's going to do. It could be the best piece of Alien content since the 80's.
The jockey being an engineer suit is the only serious issue I have with the prequel movies. The mysterious pilot of the derelict was always my biggest fascination from the whole series and it was clearly a creature in it's original iteration. When alien 3 came out I was hoping they would satisfy my burning need to know more about them, and I was bummed that it was never touched on until prometheus. When prometheus finally answered the mystery with a dud it felt super disappointing. But if I can ignore that aspect, the prequel movies are incredible but far short of perfect.
That’s pretty insane news. I think we are already deep into a choose your own Alien motif, (which feels to me like the different DH runs) so if they just decide to make another “main timeline” film ie a follow up to 1 -2, it could still fit.
I I always thought that it was confirmed that the AVP movies exist in the Predator franchise but are completely separated from the Alien universe. Cuz realistically if you try to line up the timelines with all the Alien, Predator, and AVP films it would be very messy and would not make much sense.
Why? Are floating visual scanners so unrealistic when the original 2 movies had BIOSCANNERS who detected living being through walls? Especially since weylsnd yutani develops all the tech so its expected their most important project has the most cutting edge tech Youre just stuck in nostalgia
@@AbuHajarAlBugatti I get that the ship in Alien, and the terraforming styation in Aliens were low tech, but why were the US Military using low grade tech in Aliens, as did Bishop II in alien 3 - weyland marines were using a VHS recorder. In Aliens, Ripley was in Gateway Station, a medical facility orbiting earth. Is everything in the Aiens universe used by all the top militaries and agencies low tech except Weyland.
I really wish we had a complete trilogy for Prometheus. Seeing an engineer world for the first time would have been something special. The beast is boring at this point as most stories are all about the same thing - creature running around killing everyone one by one. Boring. Everyone dies - protagonist lives. Next film. Repeat. Change scenery. Prometheus and Covenant with all their flaws were very philosophical and deep films with hidden and open symbolism, religion, AI and genesis etc. I wish the third film would end up somewhere on the engineer planet with a massive war between species or David, leading to original Alien film.
i don't hate the prequels but i am very glad to hear the show is going in this different direction. i agree with the director on the aesthetic. i also have accepted that David didn't invent the xenomorph but arrived at a natural end of the black goo, or that, since Scott said he was on the actual engineer's home world, he could have come across their "scientific notes"(?) on how they made them, or found them. notes on their biology? i'm reading the new Bishop book, and am going to make a video review of it. i saw that you interviewed the author, and i'm going to watch that video before making my final script to incorporate his vision and not retread too much of what you may have covered. i do have to say im 200 pages in, and while it's interesting, there's not much in it about Aliens or Bishop yet.
According to the novelization, he found more than notes, he found actual examples of the Engineer-made xenos, presumably the same species from the first three films. In the film and the related shorts it kinda seems like he was just dicking around and trying random stuff, not really sure what his end goal was, in a kind of "I'll know it when I see it" kinda way. So take of that what you will. Personally I really wish they were more explicit about how they got to the neomorphs and praetomorphs from the black goo, particularly the praetomorph because I just have so many questions. I feel like it must have involved Shaw's eggs? But there's gotta be more steps than that, right? Either way, while everything the goo touches turns into a *kind* of xenomorph, it definitely seems like the species we met in the first film has some sort of significance or direct connection to the goo in some sort of causal form. Maybe the xeno came first and the goo came from them? If not, are those xenos an inevitable result after enough mutations? Or... what? I simultaneously want and don't want an answer. I would love to know the exact relationship between the presumably "original" xenos and the black goo, but leaving that as a big unknown makes them all seem a little more mysterious and... y'know, alien. We definitely won't be getting any answers from this series, though, the director doesn't seem interested in giving out any of those.
@@princessmaly thank you for sharing, i'll have to pick up the novel. i didn't think to look for one, which i should have, because i honestly like Covenant quite a bit. i watch it from a Blade Runner perspective, as though it's more about the psychology of synthetics than an origin story for xenomorphs. I agree that there is almost an analogy between how the goo re-configures the infected's DNA, and how the xeno-embreo takes on characteristics of its host. it does make me ask if the black goo is the spark in the primordial soup, like a virus or parasite that has no will of its own but merely performs a function of reorganizing a design to better fit its environment. in a way the xenomorph are the perfect organism- mindless, without will, without moral judgements, single minded and efficient, and so an evolutionary eventuality- but it doesn't account for the other side of life: the experience of existing. the things that get us out of bed in the morning. the things David wrestles with. Touching on other things i too think Shaw's eggs/reproductive organs were an important component in David's experiments. i love thinking about all these things but yeah at the same time i don't want answers because too many writers sort of phone it in and give off-handed answers that become canon.
I enjoyed both Prometheus and Covenant but I'm still happy about these news. The design, technology, outfits etc are amazing but they don't really feel like they belong in the ALIEN universe. Those movies would have been much better off as a seperate franchise.
It would be interesting to see how it tackles the Xenomorph.... as the only way to keep David as the Creator (which was the intention after Prometheus) would be some kind of Time Travel... as in some Event Destroyed LV-223 causing a Temporary Tear in Space Time that sucked in the Space Jockey and Derelict as it was leaving LV-223 crashing down on LV-426. Why it could be implied that the Engineers had obtained Davids Eggs from Planet 4 and Perfected and Mass Produced them on LV-223 prior to its Destruction/Space Jockey event But I don't think this is what we will get, it seems that Noah will be indicating that the Xenomorph is NOT any Creation or Bio-Weapon but a Ancient Species.
3:07 , I'm not 100% on removing those films, they're my least favorite alien films besides 3 and avp 2 but they have too much value even with their faults. I do hope alien 3 and 4 are retconn- But anyway, I hope the aesthetic is based on alien and aliens, because I much prefer these films, I agree with you on 8:08 definitely. Anyways, I hope the prequels aren't retconned but I wouldn't be entirely disappointed if they were
As someone who actually loves the Alien Prequels I hope not. But either way, I don't care. I love them and have these movies anyway. So they can't take them away even if they're retconned.
Yee-hah! Who would've seen that coming... that you - opposite to my Expectations - really got me hooked on this - MEANWHILE in good ol' Dschörrmeny - se Frank has gotten really deeply curious about what's to come with that new Chapter. Well, well... how the Turntables turn!
As much as I dislike Covenant, I feel like bits of the new lore should stay in canon as they can still be utilized better, such as in Aliens Fireteam Elite, with the use of the Pathogen enemies. And if we ever get new AvP media outside of comics and books, the engineers could be a fun way to add some extra threats to add to the story/experience. Also, as for how the technology looked in Prometheus and Covenant, I feel like we could maybe see a mixture of the more clean, futuristic look and the retro-futuristic style, seeing some classic Aliens looking technology given a little update.
The problem with cherry picking lore is you end up digging yourself into a bottomless pit of contradictions and what amounts to as excuses. We either accept the prequels (Prometheus and Covenant) or we don't.
Bro Ridley Scott invented the Alien universe in his mind. He can do with it what he wants and it is by defacto Canon. Period. Also prometheus and covenant were supposed to finally answer how the first alien movie and the xenomorphs came into being and who the engineers were and what happened to them. The third movie wouldve answered that in a final big War which people like you stuck in nostalgia have ruined
@@AbuHajarAlBugatti You can't have contradictory information be canon. And if David invented the xenos, why are there murals of them on the walls of the goop room? That's like someone in the 1890's having a picture of a Mustang before Ford invented the Model T in 1908.
Alien is a series full of puzzling decisions on every movie. They had a horror-franchise and made an action flick next. Then, they turned around 90° again to produce a nihilistic picture that redid the whole look and feel. For the prequels, instead of showing us the most obvious, the Alien homeplanet (see the Steve Perry books for inspirations) they created this super convoluted genetic creation plot around some android who plays god. It's as if they always say: Let's not do the "easy" and "obvious" but be super creative instead. (Maybe because the first one had some artsy spects and they thought the franchise is about special ideas?) I have the feeling, those new projects might go back to more obvious routes and I actually think that can be a good thing. But we will see...
Actually, if you read Alien Covenant: David's Drawings, the Engineers' homeworld in Covenant WAS the Xenos' homeworld. David took genetic attributes from the various species from that planet and used the Engineers' technology to fuse them into an endlessly adaptable organism: the Xenomorph. That sounds pretty obvious to me.
@@MindEyeMediaVR Maybe, but that also presupposes the aliens being genetically designed creatures instead of evolved ones. I meant their natural homeworld under the premise that nobody made them (but evolution). I think that the mystery of the Alien is seriously damaged by making them an artificial creature designed by whoever. In the Steve Perry novels for instnace (not that they are great masterpieces) the "Engineers" where just another race who found the xenos and got wiped out by them. They served as a warning: Look, even these highly advanced guys got killed off. I always thought that to be far more powerful and more in line with the original movie.
I say this as someone who likes Prometheus and Alien Covenant, I don't care if they ignore it. I want Alien films and the shows to ignore the "continuity" and just focus on telling new, good, scary horror stories.
Covenant was such a eye roll. Halfway though watching that mess in the theater I found myself cheering for the bad guy. This new movie sounds promising....then again, Disney owns it.
Disney scares me. I mean they couldn't have done a better job of... it's like when you build a house of cards and your big dumb cousin runs in the room and slams his fist on the table.
I like both aesthetics aspects of the technologies employed in those movies but for sure, an Alien movie should have a retrofituristic look. One thing that could link Prometheus movies to Alien could be what they used in Dune and its prequels or even the Cycle of Robots with Foundation : humanity went too far with AI/robots and decided (or was forced) to regress.
They should let Rodley Scott finish his story as a TV series ten Episodes. Like Monarch Legacy of Monsters then go from there, because Marvel Comics gave them a new origin too
It's good that they're following the retro-tech style of the original as that's what Alien Isolation did and actually made the whole damn game even freakier. There's something incredibly surreal being stuck with 1970's aesthetics in space, complete with CRT monitors that makes flat screens and holograms very uninteresting and generic.
It's not good. They try to appeal to a loud minority of prometheus haters. The general public will still avoid it and the prequels fans will be the new haters.
The problem is that it doesn't make sense for the xenomorph to have evolved on its own. Why would it have evolved a facehugger that's perfectly shaped for the human head, has a tube that matches the location of the human mouth, and assumes its prey breathes oxygen? How could it incorporate characteristics of its host's DNA when DNA is something that evolved on Earth? It just doesn't make sense for it not to have been bioengineered.
Prometheus and Alien Covenant were only watchable for me and I would never go out of my way to watch them again. They just simply did not appeal to me in the same way as Alien and Aliens. I don't think the new series has to acknowledge P and A:C at all to make a compelling Alien-filled show. I don't see the point in doing so. It should have a tightly written script that should not need to explain any connections. If they want an off-the-cuff line that hints to a link, go for it but Hawley clearly shares a bit of my opinion so I think this will more than likely be the case.
this is sad news indeed, the problem with the prequels is that the story was too grand to fit into a 2hr movie & ridley has yet to release a special extended edition with all the promo & deleted footage, but if they were going to sweep that story under the rug then at lease finish it first, what if fans don't like the first few eps of this series, are they going to cancel the rest?
"The late, great Weston Ochse". Ah, man, I had no idea he had passed away! I was actually just thinking about him, and Alien: Infiltrator the other day, and thought to myself I needed to see what he'd published lately. I really liked that book, and felt it was only hampered by it's end needing to tie to Fireteam Elite. I think if Weston had been allowed to write his own ending without the need to tie into the game, it might be considered one of the better novels, it had some seriously creepy moments. On the Noah Hawley show, I recently listened to an interview with John Spaihts about his Alien: Engineers script on the Script Apart podcast. On the podcast, Spaihts talked about how he felt the Xenomorphs were intentionally designed by the Engineers for the specific purpose of wiping out humanity. I felt this idea really lessened the mystery and cosmic horror aspects of the Xenomorph, and while not directly adopted in the actual movies, the DNA of the idea still permeated Prometheus and Covenant. I think the origins and purpose of the Xenomorph should never be fully known. Through some clues, some red herrings, some hints, but I like the idea of it being an ancient, mysterious malevolent force that's been with the galaxy "all the way". And cassette futurism for the win!
Prometheus and Covenant should be discarded; firstly, they weren't good movies. Canonically, the Alien depicts the space jockey as being fossilized after thousands upon thousands of years; it's not a creature that a human built android is going to figure out after a couple of years with magical goo. Also capturing the zeerust aesthetic of the 1st film would look amazing. Frankly, he should look to the Alien:Isolation game to see how to make a canonical work that hews true to the original. Excellent video by the way!!
Both story lines can exist at the same time. Xenomorphs are a naturally occurring creature that evolved on a distant planet but they are hard to manage if your're trying to spread them around to other planets. So engineers or alphas broke down their DNA to transport in containers then generate them from the goo to infect a new planet. Like a shake and bake, instant xenomorph. Maybe David was trying to recreate the recipe.
Its funny how you do fanfic just straight up denying what the guy who came up with the entire Alien universe: ridley scott, thinks and says how things are canon. Even if you dont like it, prometheus and covenant is canon. The black goo created creatures as bioweapons. Mutations. And the real established xenomorph species was created by AI david after experimenting with the black goo and his creations for a decade on the homeplanet of the engineers. I think its genius. Man playing God creating something that tries playing God creating something that is the destruction of humanity because they tried to play God. Which is the same reason the Engineers went extinct by a artificial creation, just like it seemed implied that they created humans They went extinct by a creation of their own creation, because their creation tried to be like then Scary how many people dont understand the story. Thats why we will never get movie 3 about the War of davids xeno army killing the last surviving engineers battling him and then crash landing in the end leading to the first ever Alien movie
I think that the prequels have so much to be desired & were so disconnected from the other films that they should be retcon’d. If the series is worth its salt, it’ll give a more balanced past-to-present intro to humanity’s initial introductions to the perfect organism vs (IMO) an oversimplified explanation that didn’t pass the smell test & disregarded what fans knew with the extended universe to that point.
@@steverose3019And that’s your opinion which I respect. Mine is that the prequels should either be finished or done away with in place of something better. Anything is better than the films we received as fans (great looking films rammed into the Alien mythos). That’s why I’m personally rewriting them so it would be closer to my personal vision of what they should’ve been.
I agree with you mostly, but I don't think CGI makes a film great looking. Ridley even uses some of the exact same shots in both films, he's creatively bankrupt. Did you see the CGI xeno in Covenant? The one that was bunny-hopping around in broad daylight? It was atrociously bad. Laughably awfully bad.@@Jordan-el9he
@@steverose3019Oh absolutely. That’s one of the many reasons I think the prequels as a whole were wonky. Not to mention, the elimination of what had been cannon to fans for decades. That’s why my version of the prequels combines the half-realized ideas in the prequels with the canon we know. Hopefully I do a good job, even if the prequels are retcon’d.
To me, I see what David did in creating the xenomorph in Covenant as similar to John Hammond creating the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park. Both had knowledge of strange creatures they were fascinated with and used all the tools available to try and replicate them best they could. I don't see it as David creating the actual first xenomorph species we all know and love.
If Covenant and Prometheus are not cannon, where does that leave Blade Runner? Can we still see Harrison Ford and Sean Young take on a xenomorph? This is my dream sequel.
I'm down for them ignoring those movies and sticking with the first movies. They are good movies, but they never felt like they belong to Dan O'Bannon and Ronald Shusett Alien or even James Cameron Aliens universe. That they were apart of a separate universe, a type of what if. The books have done a better job at connecting them, but still at times didn't feel right. And even (hopefully) if this show and movie retcons Scotts last to movies, it doesn't remove Weyland or Weyland-Yutani since they were apart of the original movies. And I do like the AvP movies, though I think it would have been far better to have it set in the future on some colonized planet. That why it would work better in connecting the 2 universes. Like they have done in the comics, though the books brought the AvP to Earth early like the movie. But since you've said Scott's 2 movies make AvP non-canon, could it also be said that the 2018's The Predator re-canonize AvP and made Scott's movies non-canon? Either way I've heard AvP is it's own thing, and heard that its only canon to the Predator movies or both Alien and Predator 🤷♂ I'm cool if it is connected to tboth franchise, and I'm ok with it being its own thing or just Predators. Whether or not The Predator counts as reestablishing AvP and possibly retconned Prometheus and Covenant out, this new show I'm hoping will double down on those movies not being canon. If it is or they were to connect the AvP movies with Aliens it could work. I mean they did a good job at not only showing how Weyland-Yutani learned of the Xenos, but that they have existed for 1000's of years. And why no human had any clue of them till Ripley tried to make it public. Even after Aliens no humans knew of the Xenos, and all the way to Resurrection. Either way, I don't mind them taking it to a future Earth that happened before 1. As long as it's done right and explain or shows them (trying at least) to hide it from the public I'm good. That way it shows why Ripley and them had no idea what the Xeno was. Sorry for the quick edit, just trying to clear up something up bit.
AVP movies are not canon once again. Noah Hawley in an interview a few years ago said that AVP is not canon, in the interview he clarified that his tv series is the start and earliest point in the alien timeline.
@@MattD402 Once again? I'm sorry who are you? Oh, Noah Hawley said its not canon. Ok, cool. A guy who has nothing to do with the Predator franchise, won't officially be apart of the Alien franchise till next year and that is if it doesn't get canceled first, but still has nothing to do with its 40+ years, as nothing to do with either of the AvP movies or 2018's The Predator say its not canon. Yep it most be true then lol Look man until Noah's Alien series actually comes out and it actually retcons AvP by stating this is the first Earth encounter. He can say whatever he likes, till his blue in the face. It won't uncanon AvP till it actually happens. Sorry bud.
@@TheOther644 You sound a little triggered there bud. I'm sorry to say but Prometheus and Covenant already de-canonized the AVP movies, they re-wrote the entire timeline of the Weyland-Yutani corporation and it contradicts the AVP Weyland timeline. Also Prey has de-canonized the AVP movies as the director of that movie said that Prey was the first time the Predators arrived on earth.
@@MattD402 Lol Nice try bud, seems I hit a nerve. But still, next time when you write someone you don't know and who may have forgotten Noah said that or haven't heard it. You might not wanna come at them like an ass with your "Once Again". I don't know you man or what you were talking about so I replied in the manner you represented yourself. Also and again 2018's The Predator reestablished AvP after Scott's 2012's Prometheus and 2017's Covenant. And it seems that this new series may very well retcon Scott's last 2 movies, but we'll have to wait to see if that actually happens. Prey did not de-canonized AvP as the director said that its this Predators first time to Earth and not Predators as a whole. 👍👍
@@TheOther644 No it seems like I hit a nerve with you, you came at me like a Karen after I said what I said. All I said was that Hawley stated in an interview that AVP is not canon to his series and the tv series is the start of the Alien timeline. You acted like a little bitch with a sandy vagina. AVP movies are not canon to the Alien movies. Prometheus and Covenant retconned those movies out of existence. The director of Prey stated that it's the first time the predator species set foot on earth. Both Prometheus and Covenant de-canonized the AVP movies due to completely re-writing the timeline. When Prometheus released fox promoted the newly written timeline. Also there is an official timeline book called the Weyland-Yutani report, the report only acknowledges the 4 Alien and Prometheus movies (Covenant was not included due to the book being released a few years before Covenant released) AVP movies according to the official timeline book the Weyland-Yutani report is not part of the canon. Also an official book is releasing this year called the Alien encylopdedia again it covers all things Alien timelines and events and once again the AVP movies are not included because they are not canon. 👍👍👍
