People are acting like Arizona State football killed people or something. I don't support what Herm Edwards did, but this really isn't that big of a deal and Arizona State football will be fine. I have seen some people say the Sun Devils should get the death penalty or that this is the end which i think is false and dumb. What do you think will happen to ASU?
IMO, ASU should be given deep sanctions. Not completely banned from the program like others are saying. But sanctions for the next 4-5 years, and big fines. As a Ute fan, I’m jumping for joy.
Although I do agree with you, I don’t agree with what ASU did considering that the point of the extended dead period was put in place because of the pandemic, but it would be stupid to think that asu was the only team to do this last year. I don’t think anyone should be fired over this and in my eyes this is a very minor infraction considering what has happened at other schools over the years, but Herm should receive a suspension and ASU should have a bowl ban this year. It’s honestly kind of a joke that this story has stolen headlines in college football away from the bo schembechler Michigan story, much more serious story there if you ask me.
@@devinstevenson5576 I think you clean out everyone. I think this shows a bigger issue because this was people going to the ncaa. How sloppily it was done is another problem.
They may be stupid rules, but that doesn’t mean that you can brake them. No one ever wants to be accountable for anything in life anymore. The funny thing is, when most people brakes rules, they don’t flaunt it for everyone to see. It’s always done in secret. Then they get mad when they get caught.
@@devinstevenson5576 so something that happened 30 yrs ago is more important than things happening now? Schembecler is dead,the staff is no longer at the institution period but it's more important than coaches thumbing their noses at the present rules. What happened at Michigan is bad but they're not even in the game anymore and it's going to be very hard to prove anything . Asu is the most penalized institution in the ncaa. At least the investigators know their way around campus
NY Post November 2016 Notre Dame of wind that got them to national title game.they admitted academically ineligible players and helped them cheat to stay eligible Brian Kelly still coach. As far Stanford the college admissions scandal that caught the full house star, Stanford admitted fake athletes for money as did a bunch of other universities for money per ESPN
@@anondescriptobserver6774 he and Belichick are long time friends. He talked Harry up a lot snd to Harry’s credit in college he produced. But that unfortunately hasn’t happened in the pros where his lack of separation and bad route running has caught up to him.
@@justincathcart1978 they should use him in an anquan bolden type role big red zone target and slot nightmare on easy routes that don’t require perfect routes just size and strength with enough speed to beat safeties and backers
That's amazing that there are staffers that would be so willing to out the coach, but reap the benefits of teams success. I'm sure no one on coach Saban's staff would ever do such a thing. Wonder why?😏
It's hard not to break rules sometimes. Those rules are stupid and easy to break if you read and know the rules. What Alabama does is they have people or staff that catch those violations and turn themselves in before the NCAA catches them.
Yeah and just a reminder only one program has ever been shutdown for violations. Those violations paying player underhand deals, which literally happens all the time now and has documented by dozens of programs. But felony abuse and death - nah you just get a slap on the wrist..... That program that literally went from Top 5 superpower to not having a winning season for 20 years never one has been compensated for the obvious overstep of penalties. The NCAA themselves recognize that it was too severe, but of course they’ve never done anything about it
@@mac768 SMU, they won national titles in 1981, 1982, and finished in the Top 4 also in 1984 and 1986 and 5 straight conference titles. SMU was banned from football in 1987, 1988 and reduced games in 1989. They were banned from scholarship players a through 1997, and didn’t record another winning season until 2009.
I went to a school in the early 90’s that was literally pumping sorority girls out as “dorm whores” to service the athletes and to this day the only punishment they ever received was a brand new stadium and jump in levels of competition. The point is that I wonder how face to face conversations warrant a death penalty and criminal cases do not.
That would be the University of Miami I think. I know some of that stuff was going on there when Paul Dee was the AD, and he is the one responsible for trying to ruin USC Football.
SEC schools just know how to not get caught, also it's not a shock that top recruits go to the SEC, so it's easier to get by with some violations. But when all of a sudden top (ish) recruits start going to ASU of all places its gonna raise eyebrows. Also I'm not hating on what ASU has done, im a Huge Kansas Basketball fan (Ku) and im not gonna act like shady stuff dosnt go on under the table, but being a top school makes it easier to get away with certain things. Also the NCAA is a joke and college athletes should be paid!! A scholarship isn't adequate compensation anymore.
Back in the early 1990s, Alabama broke a major rule in which they allowed Antonio Langham to play, despite him signing with an agent before the season, thereby making him ineligible.
He didn't pay the players though, he literally just interviewed them and showed them around when he wasn't supposed to. This is only a story because of Covid
@@HakeemKaree they paid for the trip which is the same thing as giving them money. Aswoo is also the most penalized university. So when you're own coaches are turning your program into the ncaa it's bad. Lots of coaches will be fired because of this and basically starting over
I didnt even know Herman Edwards was still coaching at any capacity, I thought he was still at ESPN. As a Jets fan it saddens me that he's going through this
Herm does this for the love of football, not a job, he had a great job at ESPN, I would hate to see him fired if only because I think he teaches kids more than we know, see his seminars for rookies and his work with HS all star games, but if he is deep on this, then he has to pay the price.
@@gmslayerhalovideos2277 I'm pretty sure literally every school did this.. besides, the only people cheated by this rule were the student athletes that didn't have the opportunity to actually explore their options.
I know ASU is going to do well with Herm Edwards hes a proven coach that has the ability to recruit !! Ok they hit a bump no biggie pick up and move on!!
@@Jordan-Ramses The Supreme Court decision is irrelevant to this. That was about giving players educational related benefits, like laptops. The NCAA still has the authority to enforce COVID guidelines and tell schools when they can host recruits.
Previous recruiting violations from other schools resulted in fines, coach suspensions, and recruiting restrictions. And that was for things like paying players, buying gifts, and reaching out to players before official recruiting activities were allowed. The only thing ASU really seemed to do was just have regular recruiting activities that would happen in those times normally, but were restricted due to Covid pandemic. I have absolutely no doubt that many other teams will be revealed to have done it, too. The thing is, the NCAA really looks at the impact violations have on the world of collegiate football. Was money exchanged? Did the team gain significant advantages from those violations? Did it affect how those players chose the school they would go do? The NCAA really looks at those to determine what the punishments are. With ASU, they did not have any of those factors. Not even affecting the player's decisions, since they were able to visit other schools once recruiting opened back up, and no player committed immediately after visiting ASU when they weren't supposed to. I think at worst, ASU will have coaches suspended from activites, some fines, recruiting restrictions. Nobody will be fired or forced to leave, but the team will struggle for a couple of years due to the cloud overhead and the restrictions.
You know, with the SC ruling, the scandal could be completely moot. The Arizona State players have an argument that the entire NCAA regulatory system is illegal and anticompetitive, and it's not impossible that the courts would take their side. So the NCAA may well have its hands tied on this one.
Give that staff a raise! No one, absolutely no one twisted those kids and their families to go outside. I see consenting adults not letting a virus with a a 99.7% survival rate get in the way of their success.
Im an ohio state fan but i have alot of respect for Arizona state and i dont want herm Edwards to get fired but i would rather have arizina state get like a 1 million fine
This is done all over the place. There was an incident in Tucson where two Arizona basketball players were in an accident while "test driving" a brand new Ford Mustang at 2:00 am. Nobody even questioned it in Tucson. No trouble came from it.
Cheating is cheating and if you get exposed punishment is appropriate. Everyone involved should be fired. As a matter of fact the unscrupulous parents and kids who indeed knew what they were doing was also illegal should suffer some consequences as well.
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Most college programs are doing the exact same thing, & if they say they're not theyre lying. The HUGE Football programs like Alabama, Clemson that may not be doing the same thing, but used to, still get so much more unbalanced publicity from the media that it basically is all of the recruiting pull that they need.
Can we just play football. NCAA needs to take it's rule book down to College Station and toss it in the Bonfire. Then get with all the coaches and write a new one. I mean some things shouldn't be violations. No steroids, no illicit drugs, don't practice 6 hours a day including film. Recruits should be able to visit whenever.
College football NCAA violations? Oh my goodness, really! Pay these players with health care and education for a lifetime up to achieving their PHD.’s. The monies generated by college sport spread across all collegiate sports at a university to include paying professors will still leave money to be made by the networks, divisions, & leagues. The recent supreme court decision was unanimous, which is rare. The courts have made their decision up to collegiate profiters to decide how much to share.
Antonio Pierce should be fired. If an employer finds out that an employee is causing so many problems within the staff they shouldn’t be on the staff. I understand that the rule is a questionable one but to go as far as they did to break them makes me think they shouldn’t be in charge of a program. You have to try to abide by rules not intentionally break them.
U$C on a yearly basis violates recruiting rules and a plethora of NCAA rules, and the NCAA doesn't give a fuck because it's U$C. The NCAA should be investigating U$C more as well.
Why was hiring Herm Edward a questionable hire he was a damn good coach. And honestly Arizona State needed to make a splash with a guy like him who has NFL tenure.
@@OneManParade what do you mean where has he went with his own players you inherit players in the NFL dude it is what it is it's called salary cap and college you recruit guys.
Herm Edwards put a lot of kids in harms way by hosting players during this pandemic. The fact that they didn’t play two games last season speaks for itself. This is not a slap in the risk offense and should cost Edwards and Pierce their job.
I feel sorry for Herm Edwards. I think the NCAA, and really, the government of the US, went overboard in how they dealt with this issue. But it was what is was. And the bottom line is, Arizona St should have followed the rules. I am hoping Herm Edwards will still be standing when all this is done, and still be the head coach there.
Disagree massively. Nobody should have the "authority" to decide who meets who, or when, or where. There absolutely needs to be limits on who can declare "rules". There is no valid reason for a rule like this. Okay, they can't meet next to a dangerous boiler, or in the vault of a bank. Sure. Setting a rule where they can't meet at all. No! That is scary stuff. Why does this rule make any sense whatsoever?
I’m a Oregon schools fan. But this was a very good report, and balanced analysis. I too support Herm Edwards. Arizona State needs to stay with him and clean up the woke may sayers who FEEL they aren’t being treated fairly because they were passed over for a job or position. Coaches who breached protocol suggestions during this COVID thing were being sympathetic to parents and athletes who world was being derailed and had limited funds and opportunities for visits. The staff did their best to accommodate them. Good for the staff at Arizona State. This is the kind and good character quality everyone knows is Herm Edwards.
I think it’s ironic how a dude was mad he didn’t get a job and then whistle-blew on the entire organization. He’s definitely gonna have trouble finding another job now..
I find it a bit troubling that this seems to be bigger news in the College Football World than the whole Michigan situation. I get that ASU is in the wrong for this, but I can't believe what has come to light at UM hasn't been covered more or talked about nearly as much
I’m sure they’re worse things going on in college football. Don’t think Herm should lose his job. Coach suspension, lose of scholarships and post season ban is an appropriate punishment
I predict ASU will lose a couple scholarships for a year or two and will get away with it, but If this was Ohio State, the NCAA would have banned Ryan Day from ever coaching college football again and crippled the program with huge scholarship penalties and 3+ years of post season bans.
This is all blown out of proportion! AZ State didn’t have players on the payroll like SEC and Big 12 teams do so not an issue and just a slap on the wrist. Also, for example the NCAA did nothing to the University of Arizona basketball program for paying their basketball players 100’s of thousands of dollars.
I say give him a promotion, he figured out how to get er done while the government was trying to shut everyone down. You can’t stop the will to succeed and if that means Improvising then so be it!!! Keep up the good work Herm!!!
It was a horse shit rule. Herm Edwards by all accounts is a stand up guy. The rules shouldn't have been broken, of course, but it's hardly an indictment on the program and shouldn't be punished too harshly.
Maybe I’m wrong but I feel that every major college does shady things to recruit players. It’s all about getting caught. Everyone does it but it’s just hard to prove. I mean I don’t know how many times I’ve seen a top recruit all of a sudden post pictures of stacks of cash or have a new car after signing yet nothing happen.
Don't punish the kids. Fire the Athletic director, and HC Herm E. & Co-Head Coach. And all who were directly connected to illegal activities. Maybe even limit scholarships. But don't ruin the whole program at the expense of young and upcoming players
This could be a big opportunity for ASU. They have gotten the recruits they needed the last 2 years to create a strong core and those players are just now ready to compete week in and week out on a national stage. They bring in a coach who is really good with the x's and o's, and they could have a break out year like Arkansas did in 98. The real question is can they keep the momentum after that. The biggest problem with ASU and UA is that the state of Arizona doesnt produce enough blue chip players to maintain programs year after year.
How stupid that the NCAA over regulates everything, and everyone, but themselves. If a kid has a chance to visit a campus, and a coach wants to meet him/her, let them meet for cryin out loud.
Unless your school is a mid conference school like the MAC MWC or CUSA your school is doing this it is part of the way these major schools run the amount they make out of these kids is insane
You mentioned the word "illegal" many times, breaking an NCAA rule isn't illegal, its a violation. ASU has not had this much positive momentum in forever, they need to accept what comes and keep Coach Edwards!
I think if Edwards has fired the assistant head coach when he found out the guy was toxic, you take away scholarships and do the one year post season ban, and even save Edwards. But considering Edwards HAD to know about the unbelievably toxic environment being created around his program and not doing enough to snuff it out, he deserves to go too. I also refuse to believe the AD didn’t hear rumors and know something. So he has to go too. In high school, we had one of these toxic type coaches and it was whispered in the halls by even non-athletes. It wasn’t until parents of football players stormed the Principals office, that the school acted and fired the coach. Everybody knows, even if no one is saying anything. So Edwards and the AD knew. They gotta go.
@@rileyandmike ...and this concerns you, why? I got news for you bud, "toxic" has been around, and had this same meaning before SJWs took it over. It still means the same thing. So how about you take your shady tail on somewhere else, neckbeard.
@@general330 I’ll pass - if you have to explain a joke/insult - it isn’t very good! Anyway, Karen, you have a non-toxic, safe space, therapy animal rest of your week! I won’t reply anymore - but you will 😉
Aren’t the players the ones that all of these coaches are supposed to protect? Everybody keeps saying that it was a COVID-19 dead period.That’s completely wrong.The dead period in recruiting happens every year.The COVID-19 part of this situation has to do with the fact nobody was supposed to be allowed on any campus.The PAC had already canceled their season in every sport.For everybody to say that this is nothing is ignorant.They violated actual NCAA rules not rules that were put into place because of the pandemic. The fact that ASU snuck over 30 recruits onto the school campus and secretly put them up in a hotel let’s you know what they were doing was a violation of the rules.The fact they did all of this after all sporting events had been canceled and all classes had been suspended and all of the other students were forced to take online classes made them think nobody will know this ever happened.
It's not like ASU is a top 10 team, they are a perennial underachiever and them missing out on a bowl game and getting a few scholarships taken away won't make a difference.
@@franciswesleyalexander3519 Imagine those two in the Buckeye offense running all over the Big10. We've already seen Daniels run all over Michigan State a couple years ago.
If the B12 doesn’t take Houston again the entire board of that conference needs to be sent to mental hospital or prison...... They literally used to play with the majority of teams in that bloody conference, and they’ve had more top ranked teams in the last 20 years than UCF. The problem is Texas runs that conference and college is a corrupt pos sport where teams openly create cartels to prevent other schools to compete in recruiting so all of sudden UH will never make the conference no matter how much sense it makes....
Scott, I am with you 100%. Sure, penalize them to some degree, but don't cut their heads off. Like you said, they didn't pay anyone or give them cars, chicks, etc. ASU becoming a competitive team is good for college football. It's good for the Pac-12.
"There were probably a lot of other schools doing the same thing..." You shouldn't say that without proof. It makes you sound like you're making excuses. As far as it not "being a big deal?" That's absurd. It provided a competitive advantage, or at least would have if it had remained undiscovered. Cheating is CHEATING.
Funny that when Miami, Florida under Meyers tenor and Ohio State did way worse things. Including Miami literally paying players and they all 3 got a slap on the wrist. Few season post season bans and few less scholarships. Nothing major for the worst offenses. Now NCAA is looking to get their respect back and use ASU as an example?.. wtf! Gutless as always and its not and accident that Urban Meyers wnt to NFL to coach again. His track record of yes, winning but breaking every rule possible to win. All schools walk a fine line but Urban didnt care to look at the line. When he left Florida for “Health” reasons. Over 30 players of his had violations connected to them and his program. Then that 5 yrs at 1 school happened at OSU. Magically, Urban had health issues, yet again. Right as NCAA started digging into the 3rd program in a row of Meyers. Oh Meyers health is bad again, he retires and realizes that the NCAA has finally caught onto his games and may not give him 5 yrs till they show up from now on. So he goes to NFL next. Not saying he’s a bad coach but we will c how good he really is now that he can’t literally buy wins. NFL is setup to make all the teams competitive or setup to turn a team into a winner if done correctly in a year or two. How will Urban do on a level playing field? We will see soon. 😂
You're refusing to acknowledge the obvious truth. It's not just that what they did was wrong. They were intentionally breaking the rules for unfair advantage.
