Will Today's Electric Cars Soon Be OBSOLETE? 4K 

Are you insane? It is complete an utter rubbish.

Nah, this is utter fucking garbage of an analysis.

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@@derickwilliams2195 sneed.

And the old ones are worth nothing.

@@MegaWilderness So buy an old one. They are cheap but i'm pretty sure you can do just fine with a 10 years old car, a one year old PC, a 2 year old smartphone and a basic 4K TV.

@@Z3t487 I do precisely that. My car is 10 years old. It's reliable and extremely affordable. It has another 10 years of life.

Bought a salvaged 65 reg Ka a few months back to run around in. Cost me 3k in total to buy & fully repair & had less than 3k miles on it when I bought it (now has 3.3k). Have an 09 reg R3 RX8 for sh!ts & giggles that I bought over 10 years ago with 15k miles (now has 28k) I don't have/need a smart phone as I've had the same Nokia C3 for as long as I can remember - about 8 or 9 years possibly, maybe longer. My Qosmio laptop is nearly 8 years old & still perfectly usable as I spent well on that as I use it for my work too - when I actually do any lol. My TV is a small (nowadays) 42" that I bought back in Feb 2008 (had to check) that I only bought as my then 18 yr old TV blew it's tube, yes, an old type TV lol. I only use my almost 14 year old "new" TV for videos or as a larger monitor for my Laptop when needed as I don't watch TV anymore. So, I buy stuff when I need it or on a very rare occasion as a treat (the RX8 being the last treat), not to show of as Rory says. Never seen the point in wasting hard earned just to show your family, firends & neighbours how much "debt" you can get/have lol ;p

@UCkCNhN3e0X7B1xbD28fcnQA My only point was that new stuff around the corner is not a reason to delay; just buy it when you need it and, as you say, only when you need it

Simply the best!

totally agree....really good to watch. info, but not dull...enthusiasm but not inane adulation (carwow)

Agree. He is really great.

I watch his stuff even if I'm not interested in the content. Love the man.

Since day one

My Dad said, “he who dies with the most toys wins!” Sadly he passed away two years ago and four years ago I had to stop him driving and sell his car - dementia is a cruel disease. So god bless our fathers’ and “buy it now for tomorrow you may die…”

Definitely true, although that also means you don't get anything new for the rest of your life.

bad words

@@falxonPSN Obv, it was a tongue-and-cheek comment to basically say that if you like something, just get it. Don't worry about the next gen.

@@PhilbyFavourites Exactly. Dad bought a new car (Honda Fit) that he loves.

It wasnt that funny

Can't even think about when VW reaches range of 1488 miles with that solid state car 👀

@@arsebiscuits560 It really was

Alex Gris agreed. 😆

meh!

You will never dip your toe in the water with this mindset

Well, the current electric vehicles are very expensive, impractical and unreliable. So people justifiably don't want to be beta testers for rich ceo selling you a lifestyle you can't afford.

Yes, but at least wait until a technology become sufficiently competitive. Nowadays electric cars are just NOT an option, against ICE cars.

@@argh6666 they're expensive, yes, but they are certainly not "impractical and unreliable" for many people. Yes yes, I know, "but I don't have off-street parking", and, "but I need to drive 700 miles each day", and "but the road trip I do twice a year will take an extra hour", blah blah. Everyone's well aware EVs aren't for *everyone*, but for people who can charge at home or work, they are better than ICE cars for most things.

@@BICIeCOMPUTERconGabriele Don’t agree with you. The bev is the best for me and my family.

I took a girl and her son on a date: the boy said "wow, an XR31" No son, that is an i for Injection

I love it when a plan comes together.

Very refreshing!

While it does make sense for some people to buy electric cars right now, for others that isn't necessarily the case. I would love to own one, but I have no place to charge it where I live. So I'm waiting to move. But waiting for the tech tech to improve is pointless. Often times people ask me if they should buy a new phone or laptop or PC right now, or should they wait. And I always tell them the same: If you need it, buy it now. If not, don't.

I will wait for affordable used EVs with enough boot space. And of course being able to charge at home or at least during groceries shoping

@@TheThink5op You'll never be able to charge at home at a decent speed until you pay to upgrade your home to have a higher output, regardless of how far car tech comes.

Back in the day, the ABS badge was actually useful : it meant "My brakes work, don't drive so close" :)

Here in Portugal the designation and model of a car is also passé. I guess no one wants to admit that he has a diesel.

Some drivers here (California) remove all badging from the back of their car including the model ... I guess either to make a cheaper model look more expensive or to hide the fact that it's an expensive model.

Same here and avoid the high levels of smug producing cars.

Here in the UK at least Stephen, we already have a number of independent EV specialists. I'm fortunate in that both guys who operate the garage in my village have both recently qualified to work on electric vehicles. There is an organisation in the UK which offers training courses for motor vehicle engineers whom wish to "convert"......

Imagine having some bad situation like medical emergency. You will be happy to go more than 100mph on highway... And its same like saying you dont need big house, you dont need this and this you can surivive in small flat with one led light and 15 degrees celsius in winter... You can but its not your free choice and much fun imho

I wonder if battery technology improvements for ev cars will filter though to the power wheelchair and scooter market. The reason why I’m posing this is because I’m a power wheelchair user

I agree, but the second hand EV market is much different than ICE vehicles, and makes entry into the EV market affordable for most. My used 2014 Leaf is as powerful and runs as smooth as it did when new (an inherent benefit of electric propulsion). In the 4 years that I have owned it, and driven it daily, it has required zero maintenance or repair. It would have been difficult to find a clean 2014 ICE vehicle with the same tech as mine for the same price, and I'm sure I would have spent much more on maintenance and repair, as is the norm for second hand ICE vehicles.

@@1964mcqueen Do Nissan make you come in and pay for an annual service on a Leaf? I see many manufacturers still trying to charge for servicing on electric cars, which makes no sense to me, just a money grab.

@@RandomShart brakepads and fluids still need to be changed. Battery modules are usually cooled with some oily concoction ,and that has an expiry date, so that needs to be changed also after its lifetime end (at latest). So yes, you need servicing, but it's not that complicated as in ICEs (source: trust me, I'm an engineer)

@@RandomShart I haven't had mine in, but I have heard that they try to get people to bring them in. There are very few things to worry about and most can be done by owners.

is it a tesla or a pansonic batterie?

@@mariojakel5544 They are all essentially Tesla batteries that Panasonic has been contracted to manufacture according to Tesla's formulation and specs. 4680 is merely a form factor and indicates the size of the battery and not the composition. With their older batteries, they used form factors that are available off the shelf, but the cells' composition is not the same as what you'd get in a store. So a lot of people get confused between the type of cell, the size of the cell, and between the manufacturer and designer.

@@bW9taeH4 the 4680 maybe the size but they are a tabless design and use a dry electrode and will use a high nickel chemistry. Tesla and Panasonic will be making them initially but I understand LG and possibly CATL will be as well in the future but I don't ever see an LFP chemistry ever used as not energy-dense enough to be used in the vehicles that need a long range.

@@markreed9853 That was exactly my point. Saying that it's a 4680 tells you the size and nothing else. Somebody else could make a battery called a 4680 that's a completely different design but it still a battery.

We'll be mostly driving around using LFP batteries in the near future. In a decade, who knows

It’s a disgrace how expensive they are. With all the components that go into an engine and the development thereof..., how on earth they can justify the cost of these things is beyond my me

You're so virtuous . your car is loaded with toxic batteries. Where do you think electricity comes from ?

My solar panels and my eco electricity supplier? Lol.... you dinosaur lovers are funny 😁

Careful with such virtuesignaling. 2nd car, why did you replace the 1st? You'd pollute less by not replacing an older ICE car, depending on mileage. You've replaced an ICE for 2 electrics

@@netiturtle you do realise people upgrade cars and sell their previous one on right? Just because he's on his 2nd electric car, doesn't mean the 1st one broke. The 1st one could have been a used car as well. So many assumptions.

@@mistert800 You do realize unnecessary "upgrading", driven by wants rather than needs, is a major contribution to pollution. I don't know why he replaced, so I asked. I admit suspecting him falling to the category of people who drive the newest EV to project an image, while polluting more than someone maintaining an older car. But I wasn't making assumptions, unlike you, when clearing the OP from possible fault in logic, by assumption(1st one could have been..).

In theory, that all sounds logical... Until you're driving down a dark country lane in the middle of nowhere at 2am and all of a sudden... You get a _blue screen_ on your dashboard and everything on the car just dies 8-))...

The problem is that cars would need to be designed with new battery technology in mind and would limit some advanves in technology,the battery is a integral part of the structure of the car and isn't easy changinh for something new.

@@thezanzibarbarian5729 May I ask why someone would be randomly doing that?

@@Zippiye0001 Have you never just jumped into your car at night and gone for a drive?

@@thezanzibarbarian5729 not without reason no

Not actually to hold the charge, but to deliver the charging current. Higher voltage means lower current which equals thinner wires, but often requires thicker insulation.

I dont know about that. The used EVs are still pretty expensive at the moment

@@TheThink5op That could be just due to the weird used car market now. Our values increased when new car shortages shocked the auto industry. That's still present. For example, I got a lot more for my 2018 S4 than what it should be worth right now. At least here in the U.S. Audi dealerships are getting anywhere from 150-220 cars on their lots by February. Putting two and two together, just five months prior, my S4 was worth $5-6k less when dealers still had cars. End of last month when I got rid of it, with more miles on it than it had five months ago, it was worth a lot more as the dealership only had 7 cars on their lot. Got rid of it earlier than I wanted due to the profits and once in a life-time circumstances. Those profits will dwindle back down to normal when new cars are back on the lots. So...I see what you're saying, but the inflated values of our pre-owns will eventually adjust back to normal. 2018 S4 Prestige CPO w/ 20,143 miles purchase late February for $40,199. Sold last week of October...so 8 months later for $43,260. I checked my cars value in June and July of this year. June I was offered $36,800 and July, I was offered $37,300. So if you have a pre-owned Audi, sell it asap...and if you're looking to go electric with an e-tron from Audi, my advise is to lease it only.

Thank you. My view exactly. I have no issue with my electric car but plenty of issues with all the clowns in the charging business. I hate myself for saying so but I wish the "oil companies" would realize that they have to be "energy companies" now in order to have a future, to begin to take electric car charging seriously and put high speed chargers, under cover at every forecourt at a price that will drive muppets like Osprey, Instavolt and the like out of the market. The only ones I have any time at all for are Pod Point and Chargeplace Scotland. Covers over charging stations. Is that too much to ask for, really? "You nice and dry filling your diesel car up there mate? Yeah, well I'm handling 400 Volts in the pouring rain here and I'm about to shit myself" And here's a migration tip for all EV drivers. Move to Scotland where you can charge your cars for half the cost of charging in England, or for free even, and they're everywhere. And if you live in North Wales, don't even bother. Most chargers are broken and will never be repaired anyway.

Hi Lionel. The last of the quick Oz Holden's was going to be badged SS, super sport,but they chickened out. A

@@andrewplayer800 @@andrewplayer800 I remember that, but at least they were an Australian company and part of the allied forces and not the axis side, so it wouldn't have mattered as much. SS Super Sport

Lamborghini and Maserati did use SS as an addition on some models. They were axis ;)

@@MdvK13979 Italy was Axis.

@@lionelgower6877 Yeah, that was the joke. And, lambos are now German on top of it.

I'm triggered!

Tomislav B. Don’t shower praise!

Waiting is prudent in the face of unaffordable cars.

He's already done a video on that - scoot back through the Autotrader history maybe a month 😃

My take is that the legacy carmakers are making a great path for Chinese manufacturers to introduce their way cheaper models with similair specs, making themselves obsolete by doing so.

@@sneaky_krait7271 BYD EA1 is about to released in my part of the world, it's $35k as opposed to a base Model 3 at $65k. $40k will get you the 400km/250mi version. For the price of a Model 3 you can go to BYD and get a 5 seater car, home battery setup, a solar system to charge it all and still have some change left over.

@@deanchur Yes I know, which is why I think European, Japanese and American have done too little too late and are pricing themselves out of the market now, especially the cheaper brands

Hehe mocking the british, I love that

Model X Gang

You can’t get the Dream edition anymore as they only made a certain amount. The Lucids you will be able to get is the Pure, the Touring and the Grand Touring

The range test is complete... we'll show you the results soon. It's amazing how a/c affect range. -RR

@@AutoTraderTV looking forward!

@@AutoTraderTV Hi Rory, another excellent video, BUT I have to disagree with your point about Lithium-Ion batteries. Unfortunately this IS soon going to be outdated and will make way for Lithium-Metal batteries. The reason Li-Met batteries aren't currently used is they are unstable (they have tendency to spontaneously combust), so obviously can't be used in EV's. However, recently, a team of researchers from the Material Sciences department at Harvard have found a way to stabilise Li-Met batteries so they're far less dangerous and the tech is now more applicable to EV's. Li-Met is considered 'the holy grail' of battery technology because of its extremely high energy density, meaning a lot more energy can be stored within the same volume, and the charging times are MUCH faster. 10-20 minutes to achieve a full charge, and the battery can go through at least 10,000 charge and discharge cycles, long outlasting the current lifespan of Li-Ion batteries, and even gas powered engines, not too mention a MUCH MUCH larger range and better performance figures

@@GlockGrippa define “soon”

Most EV's have low depreciation, usually the lowest of a manufacturer's mainstream cars. Even before the second-hand car price craziness. Audi, Porsche, Kia, Hyundai have all said their EV's have lower depreciation than the equivalent combustion cars in their ranges.

Used Tesla's are being sold for more than new ones in the US because of the 6 month wait time.

In the meantime - I'll spend 35 times as much money and hours more every year driving somewhere just to charge.

Lucid Air got 520 miles of range and charges 20 miles/minute in the battery.

waiting is the best thing to do right now!

@@Z3t487 And where can you buy one? Where do you get it serviced?

@@noneofyourbusines1476 You have to upload a video, man, my replies keep getting see as spam by the AI edgelords. Maybe your comment section will be safer. Or try asking under one of my videos. Edit: 𝐂𝐡𝐞𝐜𝐤 𝐨𝐧 𝐥𝐮𝐜𝐢𝐝𝐦𝐨𝐭𝐨𝐫𝐬 𝐰𝐞𝐛𝐬𝐢𝐭𝐞 𝐭𝐨 𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐞𝐫𝐯𝐞 𝐢𝐭 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐬𝐞𝐞 𝐢𝐟 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐥𝐨𝐜𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐢𝐬 𝐜𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐞𝐝. This comment survived a whole minute, yoohoo!

FZ of course (Fester Zustand - solid state)

@@simonthomas8814 brilliant. Makes perfect sense!

@@simonthomas8814 Good save!

@@simonthomas8814 No it's a joke about the German Nazi police called SS ..

@@unskeptable woooooosssshhhh

Same here. Only caveat is that I drove it in the last few days and it won't go under 25 kWh/100 km at 130-135 km/h. Solar roof and transparent panel, plus AWD have added a lot of kilos and the car is not aerodynamic by any means.

@@vicheaterx it is aerodynamic despite its somewhat boxy shape, which is thanks to the lack of front grill and rounded edges. If the climate where you live is cold, it is understandable. I still think its worth its practicality and looks. Its also jacked up with AWD so you could have some fun in snow, mud or dirt!

I doubt anything a modern human does is "precisely" eco-freindly.

Bad English skills? probably better than the vast majority of people that are actually English, never apologise when you can write or speak in another Language, being English myself I'm ashamed to say as nearly everybody seems to speak it like most that live here we don't bother to learn another language bad I know but sadly true. And there is no petrol car ban here in 2030 it just means you will not be able to buy a brand new one after that date, there will still be millions of petrol and diesel cars on the road for many many years after 2030.

@@pillred5974 Thank you! Yes, „petrol car ban“ could definitely be misunderstood. I finance a BMW G21 318d Touring M Sport with a 6 speed manual gearbox. Personally I think it is a great car and ticks nearly all the boxes. But after owning it for a few months now I realize, that it is a bit too big, but as I‘m not a big fan of the new 1series, the 2series gran coupe and the SUV’s it was the best choice, as I wanted to own a Bmw. And the salesman offered me a fair deal. But thinking 5 years ahead I consider „buying“ a smaller and sportier car (with a petrol engine, probably a used one) for the weekend and maybe a BEV for the daily business. But I have mixed feelings about this, especially with this whole climate discussion. I‘m convinced that we should do everything we could to protect our beautiful planet. But as a fan of petrol cars and knowing that we only got this one life, I would like to enjoy a nice, affordable sports car/roadster. First world problems, but yeah it is my motivation. Also to educate myself and be able to communicate with more people outside Germany. I wish you a nice evening!

@@jlnmlng8372 Personally I hope that's still a viable option, an ICE vehicle that does low annual mileage + an electric vehicle for day-to-day. However I suspect they'll be taxed off the roads for most. Would you be willing to keep a 2nd petrol car around if the standing costs get really high? I hope they put most of the tax on fuel, so someone who just takes their pride and joy out for the occasional drive doesn't have to pay loads just to keep it on the road.

@@thepandaman As the UK moving to road pricing, excluding charging a fortune for petrol/diesel through heavy taxation, standing charges for a low mileage fossil fuel fun car should reduce. After the bulk of ICE cars are scrapped, say 2050, we may be reduced to buying our synthetic fuel at the chemist as petrol stations will have disappeared. 😀

Yes, but it's basically used ONCE (albeit with a tiny amount of degredation). It takes about 1 pound of cobalt to remove the sulfur from 80,000 gallons of petroleum products, like gasoline. 80,000 gallons would power a car for about 2.4 million miles, but 98.8% of that cobalt is recoverable, meaning we permanently lose only a pound of cobalt for every 6.6 million gallons we refine.

Good pitch. Except the part that it is wrong. Like the user above pointed out.

@@CivicMikey and we are already getting EVs with cobalt free batteries so in the long run EVs will still probably end up using less cobalt on average.

@@CivicMikey Are you cure cobalt can't be recovered from batteries? Recycling is becoming a thing with Tesla already building a recycling facility and will have more, and since more EVs are sold in China, there are companies in China that recycle batteries. They recover about 90% of materials used but I'm not going back to read the details of what is and what isn't recovered.

@@garethbaus5471 Or the amount is less, and it's recoverable.

Not necessarily, it really depends on your situation, what your current car is, and what you would be replacing it with. Engineering Explained did a fantastic video about whether it is better for the environment to keep your old car or to get a new EV. I highly recommend it.

@@bolt5564 Not exactly. The biggest issue in EE’s video is that he assumes that if you get rid of your car, then the car will no longer be driven. That is not true, because often you will sell your car to another owner who will then drive the car. Currently, from the standpoint of emissions, it will always be better to keep driving a fully electric car until it is deemed no longer fit for the road.

This will change in the future if full EVs becomes the primary transport vehicle on the road, but until that’s the case, it will be better to keep running an EV to the ground, even if it means replacing the battery in between

@@sijankhan7796 when you sell your used car it will either add to the used car market putting downward pressure on said market, allowing someone to junk their older more polluting car and replace it with your car, or it will be junked itself. Either way you are probably taking a more polluting car off the road.

Is that you Jeremy?

petrol is going up but so is electric (some rapid chargers costing 69p kwh) also many of the perks e.g zero car tax will soon be gone when pay per mile is introduced

Lots of EV owners have run out of petrol in the past, but never ran out of charge with an EV. Their experience with dead batteries is limited to the 12v battery on the ICE cars they had in the past. If you don't have a garage at home where you can plug in, then the current ranges can be impractical, especially if the infrastructure in your area doesn't let you charge where you commonly park such as at work or the supermarket, etc. If you do have a garage and can plug in each night, then starting each day with a complete charge makes the notion of worrying about running out of range extremely unlikely. So it's infrastructure rather than range for most people. I don't think that anybody likes going to a petrol station, and when it becomes practical for more people to charge where they'd park anyway, then it won't matter if you have 500 miles of range or 1000 miles of range unless you plan to drive 500 miles nonstop, don't eat and don't use the restroom. But if you make a trip that long, chances are you will eat once you get there. So the total travel plus dining time won't be any shorter.

Cooling is probably the biggest aspect for performance drivers. I was on the track yesterday and there was a Tesla electric race. One of the drivers told me the battery overheats and discharges like crazy if you drive it like a normal race car. He said half of the skill is to learn how to conserve the charge during the short races they were doing.

@@nevarran this is probably really good for everyone else, too, because if it’s durable when you’re threading the fine needle wire, it’s most likely going to be durable when you’re wanting to be able to do a full few km’s on the autobahn ;)

Fair enough. But it’s worth factoring in the pretty startling savings you make over the year with an EV, especially the efficient ones built with longevity in mind.

@@cbromley562 That's all well and good, but I can't run a massive extension lead to my house, so I would be 100% reliant on public charging and as I said there is one plug for a whole town

@@Elkott Yeah, that is a significant issue, albeit unrelated to affordability.

@@cbromley562 I'm sure they'll get there eventually but I'm concerned time is running out, we have 8 years now until the ban on new combustion cars and some areas like mine are so far behind where they need to be

@@Elkott Yep, this is a real problem…makes me feel we’re very fortunate simply having charging facility. On the brighter side, there’ll be good used ICE vehicles around for donkey’s years…let’s hope they don’t tax the crap out of them. If it’s handled badly, a lot of people will be penalised unfairly. Let’s hope Gridserve/Instavolt/ Tesla decide to move into your area.

And once it "craps out" you could just get the battery pack refurbished at a fraction of the cost of a complete new replacement......

@Torero No 1MB ram 10MB HDD PC ever ran Windows 3.11.

As a mechanic, I've always looked at a hybrid as the worst of two worlds. Increased fuel consumption when not on electric power, and less electric range. Also the increased complexity, increased service costs (especially if you own a VAG hybrid) and general maintenance. And the electric powertrain isn't easy or cheap to repair either, so once it's out of warranty....

@@panzerveps Yet the world is full of Toyota Hybrid Camry taxis that do hundreds of thousands of KM with no problems.

​@@zoltrix7779 Pretty sure they have problems as well. The time when Toyotas were bullet proof overbuilt tanks are long gone.