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Will we soon see the end of kingdom halls? 

Lloyd Evans
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The Covid 19 pandemic has shown that Jehovah's Witnesses can cope surprisingly well without their places of worship, or "kingdom halls." But will the Governing Body be tempted to cash in and do away with them permanently? I weigh the pros and cons.
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@karlmarxjr7049
@karlmarxjr7049 3 года назад
Going fully online would take one of the biggest tool they have away - peer pressure.
@valfletcher9285
@valfletcher9285 3 года назад
They might start more book studies in homes. That would be another form of torture which I well remember as a kid.
@ds_dimsum7828
@ds_dimsum7828 2 года назад
or if not, its the disfellowship treatment they give to remove you if they dont like you
@KingGhidorah777
@KingGhidorah777 2 года назад
I mean i was a studying aspiring Jehovah Witness, i had my studies with them once a week but i would never go to the meetings, the guy i was studying with took away my ability to study with them until i logged into their meetings. 1 meeting for 1 study he said As someone who was surrounded by atheists those studies were a way for my faith to be reinforced and encouraged but he took that away from me, so i decided i was done with them
@PhilJonesIII
@PhilJonesIII 2 года назад
The shepherding aspect would take a big hit. Little Timmy wearing an inappropriate t-shirt to sister Sarah in an 'immodest' skirt. Did brother Camel smell of cigarettes? Why is brother Pete hanging around the single sisters so much? When COVID is finally out of the way, how will they socialise? You might be happy to invite someone to your home after meeting them many times in the Hall but, if you have only seen their face on Zoom? A shepherding call at your home would become a 'big event', possibly intimidating. And, there would be a stronger inclination to socialise, albeit casually, with non-witnesses.
@novepipps
@novepipps 3 года назад
Even though I left as a teen, I was still very brainwashed without realising. Your advocacy saved a lot of my sanity & continues to contribute greatly to my mental health.
@santiagozorro3682
@santiagozorro3682 3 года назад
Something that always bothered me when I was in the "religion". When a Kingdom Hall was completed we had a dedication talk. The hall and work done was dedicated to Jehovah. Years later after the Hall was paid off, the congregation would be told they would need to build a new Hall because the current Hall had issues or age. The congregation would have to come up with money for a new Hall, often times sharing the cost by merging congregations. Then usually the Kingdom Hall or Halls would be sold to some other religious organization or group. How could Watchtower sell "Jehovah's House" to Babylon the Great ?I often wondered how other Witnesses felt about it. It just didn't seem right to me at the time. Now years later after being out I can see it is all about $$$. Always has been and always will be.
@khanwh74
@khanwh74 3 года назад
Wasted precious Sundays building the hall. Kinda stupid looking back.
@Nilsy1975
@Nilsy1975 3 года назад
I would suspect they would argue that it is the people that matter not the building, just as a number of Protestants do. That argument about being a dedicated building would make more sense if it was Catholic, Orthodox, or Anglican churches that were being sold. However, I get where you are coming from. It must be really annoying having spent all time and money building it, then to have the Watchtower come along sell it and pocket all the profits.
@thrivingexjw2061
@thrivingexjw2061 3 года назад
In the 1960’s KH’s couldn’t be sold to any other church! How times have changed.. EVERY KH in my area has been sold to other churches.. there’s only 3 left now.
@Nilsy1975
@Nilsy1975 3 года назад
@@thrivingexjw2061 now that is interesting. Well, they are now happy to sell their KH to New Age Pagans too, not just Churches! 😂🤣
@Alltheshiny.reneeowens
@Alltheshiny.reneeowens 3 года назад
yes, its an investment property. and those who assemble there are just to care take it until it matures and becomes a pay day when property values have gone up enough. and magically they find a cheap piece of property in a weird location to rebuild on.
@pushit8910
@pushit8910 3 года назад
Hopefully when this organization fall down, we are all still alive to witness it and celebrate together!
@rosvlinds
@rosvlinds 3 года назад
we will call it the fall of "jehovas witnessess" witnessess
@bernie2231
@bernie2231 3 года назад
@@tonyandersson2783 Who cares?
@Dickers
@Dickers 3 года назад
@@rosvlinds you got there first 😂 I'm so mad
@zephead843
@zephead843 3 года назад
I wouldn't count them out just yet. There's a sucker born every minute.
@mervjohnson2140
@mervjohnson2140 3 года назад
@Danielle Fielding LoL
@fade2awake744
@fade2awake744 3 года назад
The one thing you, Lloyd, got wrong was calling them a Religious Empire. WT was a publishing company and now is a real-estate company posing as a religion. As soon as the hall I used to attend was paid off they sold it and split up the congregation and this was 2 years before covid. My sister who is still in said they don't plan on going back to the halls until 2023 here in the US and I ask why? all other religions are back into their buildings. I say it is because they are eventually going totally on line in my opinion! Appreciate all the work you do Lloyd you were instrumental with me and my family becoming fully awake!
@Ray_oFlight_2014
@Ray_oFlight_2014 3 года назад
The offer on my elderly parents hall, here in Australia, in a rural area with an ageing population of Jw's, has been accepted. I don't know if they're aware that they won't have a hall to return to if face to face meetings resume...but they will have to travel an extra 20-30 mins each way to attend in another town. I find it sad that simple folk like them, who have dedicated themselves to that cult and sacrficed so much for no return are now, in their twilight years, being stripped of their easily accessible and familiar place to gather together. All these elderly pensioners having to fork out more in travel expenses. What a terrible uncaring organisation.
@steventheheretic
@steventheheretic 3 года назад
By eliminating in-person meetings, they reduce their risk of pedophile encounters. Right?
@josecarlosrodriguez9876
@josecarlosrodriguez9876 3 года назад
@@steventheheretic I'm sure that is the least of their concerns though
@janheard3826
@janheard3826 3 года назад
I guess they don’t care about the oldies anymore…they’ve been used and discarded. When I attended meetings when I was young I often noticed that the oldies were somewhat ignored and considered a bit of a nuisance even for something like requiring a lift to the meetings. Such a loving religion with jehovee’s happy people.
@josecarlosrodriguez9876
@josecarlosrodriguez9876 3 года назад
@@janheard3826 they probably just wanna make sure they include Jw in their will
@TBlack-dz5bo
@TBlack-dz5bo 3 года назад
I’m sorry that your parents won’t have their gathering place, it is an important point you make about the oldsters, they need that community interaction and support. Despite all the bs of the organization, those Kingdom Halls do provide community for the elderly.
@thefaithfuldiscreetdave9425
@thefaithfuldiscreetdave9425 3 года назад
I remember our cong spent years saving for a new hall. We had regular updates on how much had been contributed and what was still needed. We were even told to scour the territory looking for land. Next thing I hear, we’re just going to sell our hall, and borrow the neighbouring towns. When I was asked if all those donations would be refunded, the coordinator said …no…why would they be?!
@raventreefrog2305
@raventreefrog2305 3 года назад
Than you for sharing that. The money goes only one way in the WT. Worshippers-->WTGB
@ready2danceagain
@ready2danceagain 3 года назад
That must have been a sad reality check.
@therealjaystone2344
@therealjaystone2344 3 года назад
That’s why most JWs don’t want to donate to hq
@bodemiller5026
@bodemiller5026 3 года назад
In Texas, the Cong. even bought land and preped for a new hall until the land was 10 times what was paid . Then it was sold for the profit.
@harrylutz7321
@harrylutz7321 3 года назад
CROOKS🤬🤐🤐😵‍💫🤑
@robertcuminale1212
@robertcuminale1212 2 года назад
Every time my family drove back to Brooklyn from visiting my uncle on Long Island there were two land marks that told us we were almost home. The big sign on the Silver Cup bakery and the big sign on the Watch Tower building. I lived in a heavily Italian neighborhood until I was 13. It was a very Roman Catholic with at least 6 Catholic churches within walking distance. Almost every child went to Catholic school with few exceptions like my family. My father was Italian and German and went to a Presbyterian Church. My mother was Methodist-Episcopal. Her family was Danish, Dutch, French, Welsh, Irish, Scottish and German. Somehow I ended up in a Dutch Reformed church. One thing they all agreed upon though their dislike of the "Jehovah's Witless". There were signs on doors to the buildings and apartments proclaiming it a Christian home and it wouldn't allow anyone to talk to them. When they came around they'd leave copies of The Watch Tower and Awake in the foyer and invitations to discuss the Bible. I doubt they got any takers. It was tough even for Protestants there. One of my friends asked me why I didn't go to Catholic School and I told him "because I'm Protestant". He then told me that "Father John says there's a special place in Hell for Protestants". They used to come to my house but they got too good an argument here. I'd gone all through Sunday School studying from the Belgic Confession and the Heidelberg Catechism and I'm well grounded in Protestant doctrine. They'd ring the bell and go through the pleasantries and eventually come to some religious question. I'd say hold on and I'd bring out all my translations, KJV, NKJV, RSV, NRSV, American, Jerusalem, etc. I'd refuse to use their bible since it didn't have a pedigree from the Greek the Hebrew and Latin bibles. Eventually they'd excuse themselves and promise to come by another time. You have to pity them. They are mostly ignorant and are being led by wolves. They're so blinded that it's nearly impossible to get them to see how badly they're being led and tricked for their money.
@robertshaw7692
@robertshaw7692 3 года назад
Another thing, if your online the molesters can't met and molest in the Kingdom Hall. Saves Insurance money and lawsuits
@Shannonkannon100
@Shannonkannon100 2 года назад
😂🤣
@robinkish-miller2990
@robinkish-miller2990 2 года назад
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@cbn7239
@cbn7239 3 года назад
Without the fear of disfellowshipping, and of losing friends, the whole thing is over. No meetings = No religion.
@autobotstarscream765
@autobotstarscream765 3 года назад
_That_ religion, at least...
@awganized
@awganized 3 года назад
@@autobotstarscream765 Disfellowshipping is the highest order of Discipline,..Governments in every land do a similar action putting aways all wrongdoers behind bars ,..it separates them from family and friends for an appointed time,..One would imagine it wouldd defeat the purpose if that wrondoer was allowed to roam freely on the streets with his brand of bad influence among the general public same in he congregations of JWs
@autobotstarscream765
@autobotstarscream765 3 года назад
@@awganized Last time I checked, criminals aren't locked away from the public to to protect the public from bad moral influence, but to protect the public from being robbed, raped, murdered, and so forth; the criminals in prison are still bad influences even behind their bars.
@awganized
@awganized 3 года назад
@@autobotstarscream765 true Starscream but the principle still applies
@victoriam1207
@victoriam1207 3 года назад
@@awganized Hello there !!! Please don’t say that because the one who are in Jail did some heinous crimes , some are innocent people .Please , be open minded disfellowshipping or shunning someone for minor things or imperfections not heinous crimes are different .Who we are to judge people ? If you disobey to your parents there are some discipline but not too harsh, if parents or adult children will not be manipulated by others then probably we will be able to think properly and be open minded .We have to think or imagine into a bigger picture or have some critical thinking , ready to weigh the do’s and dont’s and some minor offenses .Please forgive me , but have compassion and we don’t know the story of each family .Thank you .
@jakeleroy3186
@jakeleroy3186 3 года назад
What an interesting time to be a JW... Been disasociated since January 2010... The one advantage to going to permanent online meetings from home is they could probably persuade more return visits and bible studies to get in on it. Definetly see the potential backlash of not meeting in person though, i remember many tines when it was said from the platform that it's not good enough to get to the meeting before it starts but to get there 15-20 minutes early to have spiritual association and stay after 10-15 minutes to have spiritual conversations.
@GG-kv8vv
@GG-kv8vv 3 года назад
My mother, 82 lives with me, professing since 1980...she knows how I feel about not even 1 PERSON COMING TO VISIT IN PERSON! Pisses me off!
@JoeZyzyx
@JoeZyzyx 3 года назад
She probably has JW org in her will to inherit all that is hers after death.
@VaughanMcCue
@VaughanMcCue 3 года назад
They should have sent the god squad around with a visacard reader to dust her down for some cash. She could pass her card under the door and get her account cleaned out. Why would you want vermin to infest your house. Remind the old tart that Jumping Jehovah has lost interest in her.
@valfletcher9285
@valfletcher9285 3 года назад
@@VaughanMcCue Why would you refer to her mother so disrespectfully? And GG be glad - this is a time of REST from them. I fought and finally they stopped coming to see my elderly aunt! They would come un announced about 6 in a group! I told them RUDE to just appear at the door in a big group! No! U can't come in! And as far as the WILL mentioned by Joe, it is REAL! My other aunt almost did this! What a mess JWs created in family.
@lashawndavarner6683
@lashawndavarner6683 3 года назад
Drove by my old hall a couple of weeks ago. It was a mess. The yard was grown up, mildew on the JW street marker. It has been neglected, so strange to see it in that shape. I guess no one cares about keeping Jahs house presentable.
@jazzbassf
@jazzbassf 2 года назад
Lashawanda Varner I've driven by our hall and it is well kept. What state and city are you talking about, I have a funny feeling you're not going to give me that info! I could be mistaken but I will wait.
@meenanaicker8999
@meenanaicker8999 2 года назад
I'm living in chatsworth durban south Africa.. We have Kingdom hall cleaning tomrow.. Our halls have been maintained even during covid..
@DY2784
@DY2784 3 года назад
Right now the meeting going on in Zoom and I'm carrying on with after dinner chores, then will sit comfortably in my recliner and continue listening. Maybe won't fall fast asleep this time...🤪
@jasonolson8543
@jasonolson8543 2 года назад
I remember public talks given at the Kingdom Halls & Assembly's using the example of these brave Brothers and Sisters who risked their lives (whether it be because of animals or religious persecution) to attend the meetings. Here we are 2021... Because of a virus these meetings are no longer that important. Now it's all on Zoom. Very ironic.
@ro88assmusic4
@ro88assmusic4 3 года назад
They will crumble without Kingdom Halls
@DiEdraStinson
@DiEdraStinson 3 года назад
Let's watch them C-R-U-M-B-LLLLLE!!
@VLPCYBER
@VLPCYBER 3 года назад
Most definently. For many that’s their only avenue of social interaction. Won’t be long before they start letting their guard down especially with whatever association they have at work. The only reason they’re able to control these people so well is the way they have them regularly meeting together. Zoom meetings may be somewhat effective but that will only hold for so long. Especially with the amount of information available and how easily accessible it is. I predict in 5 decades the religion will be completely gone, just with all the scrutiny they’re under combined with all the money they’re paying out for these pedophile cases. They’re not gonna last much longer.
@StephanGow65
@StephanGow65 3 года назад
How can you listen to a man hates and puts his only family in harm's way with his propoganda Judas comes to mind doing it just for money
@ramoth777
@ramoth777 3 года назад
HALLELUJAH! If only this would happen to ALL cults, because they twist and warp and pervert the Word of God, preach heresies and deceive millions of people around the world!!!
@universoul74
@universoul74 3 года назад
Why not have out door services???
@foxfriendzanimaltown9859
@foxfriendzanimaltown9859 3 года назад
I once read an autobiography written by a guy who who was raised in a Catholic orphanage, one day when he was about twelve the orphanage caught on fire, as all the children stood outside and watched it burn, every now and then as a nun yelled out the name of a certain saint, the boy would add on "Bring more wood!"
@amazonianm8876
@amazonianm8876 2 года назад
Did he start the fire ?
@foxfriendzanimaltown9859
@foxfriendzanimaltown9859 2 года назад
@@amazonianm8876 He doesn't say, for the record his name is Leo Louis Martello, the book was "How to prevent psychic blackmail!
@stormageddon101
@stormageddon101 3 года назад
How i can imagine it going down: 1) "the last days are here" 2) "we want to keep our brothers and sisters safe" 3) "the world will attack Jehovahs one true organisation" 4) "we must keep on the watch" 5) "we cant risk going to our kingdom halls *shows bunker video*" *sells kingdom halls, and starts holding 'zoom hangouts'* At that point, i really hope the organisation cripples, and the world genuinly becomes better, disproving their beliefs...
@toomyconne768
@toomyconne768 3 года назад
Tony Morris suggested the kingdom halls be converted to liquor stores..
@darcisw
@darcisw 3 года назад
LMAO! The perfect name for the chain would be Kingdom Lickers. Oops I mean Liquors.
@toomyconne768
@toomyconne768 3 года назад
@@darcisw It will be contribution boxes in the back
@Waylend
@Waylend 3 года назад
BEST COMMENT HERE! GOOD JOB!
@stefanlistevyios7195
@stefanlistevyios7195 3 года назад
We all ready have a good bottle shop in our area. But Whiskey Bars are now the rage so I think our KH could be used for this. Close to public transport so one could stagger onto a bus or train, no need to drive.
@musicdude6939
@musicdude6939 3 года назад
Good one 😂
@reginaadair5168
@reginaadair5168 3 года назад
They don’t encourage education, therefore their members can’t afford to donate. The pyramid is crumbling. It is also happening in other denominations, i think….
@beautyeyes7365
@beautyeyes7365 3 года назад
Good
@babyblue7798
@babyblue7798 3 года назад
wrong! even with no education ! we hold very high paying jobs! we train for the right programs. IT
@akatheheretic3014
@akatheheretic3014 3 года назад
@@babyblue7798 That's Complete 🐂💩 😏😄🤣
@babyblue7798
@babyblue7798 3 года назад
@@akatheheretic3014 that's complete? wakarimaska ( In Japanese means, I don't understand)
@akatheheretic3014
@akatheheretic3014 3 года назад
@@babyblue7798 Trust me . . Hold your Nose ! 👃 😝🙅 When the (WTS) is trying to pass Their so-called "Truth" as God's Own !
@mskiwijamerson2209
@mskiwijamerson2209 3 года назад
It will then turn into we need donations to maintain the fiber optic cables and cyber security
@hustonmices3976
@hustonmices3976 3 года назад
Don’t forget to fund Tony’s liquor, sam’s watches and the rest of the right hand gold rings. One ring to rule them all!!! Wahaaaaaa!!
@knowthyself8233
@knowthyself8233 3 года назад
Very true. And we need the 5G as well in bethel 😂😂😂
@terridovey7648
@terridovey7648 3 года назад
🤣🤣🤣👏👏👏👏
@dlepuno
@dlepuno 3 года назад
😂🤣😅💥
@cornelisslingerland8793
@cornelisslingerland8793 3 года назад
@@terridovey7648 1
@brianblessing8494
@brianblessing8494 3 года назад
I agree with what you say Lloyd only one mistake is not all Kingdom Halls are windowless.
@the_repugnant_gamer
@the_repugnant_gamer 3 года назад
The one up side to this move would be the number of child abuse cases within the cult will go down drastically.
@joanbarrett9444
@joanbarrett9444 3 года назад
Will the two witness rule for down too?
@Mojo_Mandy
@Mojo_Mandy 3 года назад
@@joanbarrett9444 Probably, they don't like being exposed. The 2 witness rule is just so wrong :(
@Mojo_Mandy
@Mojo_Mandy 3 года назад
I was dissociated for smoking cigarettes. I have no idea who they were that reported that. Also, wearing a 'pencil skirt' was deemed by the elders as attracting too much attention. This was a long time ago though. I doubt much has changed.
@the_repugnant_gamer
@the_repugnant_gamer 3 года назад
@@Mojo_Mandy I was disfellowshipped for the same reason. Funny how you can get kicked out for smoking, but not for doing horrible things to kids.
@archangel5627
@archangel5627 3 года назад
@@the_repugnant_gamer That’s because the Jehovahs Witnesses is a safe Haven for pedophiles and child molesters. There are so many people who openly join this religion because they have easy access to children. We know this due to the startling high number of pedophiles that are constantly being protected by the elders and the entire organization as a whole. Watchtower would rather protect their pedophile members than putting a stop to the sexual child abuse. It’s disgusting and that’s just one of the many reasons and examples as to why this religion is NOT the “truth!”
@thatguy8941
@thatguy8941 3 года назад
As for those zoom meetings, makes it easier to not tap in on the other hand. One can "log in" and not even be near the computer. Or one can just not log in because the crisis has separated them from the congregation physically and they can pursue other avenues.
@DavidTaylor-ki2ir
@DavidTaylor-ki2ir 3 года назад
‘Do not forsake the gathering of yourselves together.’ I’ve been out 24 years and still remember that. I can’t see how they get away from it. I can’t see how zoom or less formal house gatherings can be a substitute.
@bodemiller5026
@bodemiller5026 3 года назад
All the church es in my area have met the whole time
@Paco8636
@Paco8636 3 года назад
It would be an end of organisation. All pimos praying about that
@nopenah3891
@nopenah3891 2 года назад
I understand it can be hard but if you don’t wanna do it do you! Tho If this is something they believe in and want to share what they think is best for their kids and others …why should they stop or fall!
@rivetrain2133
@rivetrain2133 3 года назад
I wouldn’t be surprised if the in person meetings turn into something like the field service ones, held at one of the members homes.
@junejunie2284
@junejunie2284 3 года назад
I was just thinking of something similar last night. Suppose a jw snagged an interested person during an incidental witness? Time to start attending meetings... do they let this stranger into their home regularly to view zoom meetings or risk losing the interested one by giving zoom instructions? What if this "interested one" turns out to be a criminal - or worse yet an undercover apostate?
@akatheheretic3014
@akatheheretic3014 3 года назад
They are AFRAID 😨 of smaller meetings , in Private homes! It will give Greater Opportunity for members to WAKE UP 🙆 to what's REALLY going on ! 🤦
@arieltorres8960
@arieltorres8960 3 года назад
And then they’ll say “ brothers and sisters , the end of this system of things has come , we are now in tribulation and we sold the KH because the government is after us , everything for Jehovah “ for they can get fear and never leave
@akatheheretic3014
@akatheheretic3014 3 года назад
@@arieltorres8960 But how🤷 , does selling off Kingdom Halls 😒 . . Help the "rank and file " members 😕 during the "Tribulation" ??🤔
@ms.nikola9810
@ms.nikola9810 2 года назад
I believe this online format will invigorate the hardcore witnesses because it will seem like they are preparing for the the time when they believe they will suffer harsh prosecution. It will be like going underground.
@SzazaM077
@SzazaM077 3 года назад
Organization had an access to Witnesses houses years before, Lloyd. I remember my parents having the meetings organised in our home...it couldn’t be more invasive...more than Zoom. Then, they stopped it but I never forget those bizzare times in my childhood.
@pflanzenliebhaber
@pflanzenliebhaber 2 года назад
Talking of going into the living room through zoom meetings: after years spending with a therapist I had a dream in which I was inside a toilet in the form of a phone booth the walls of glas, standing inside the kingdom hall filled with the whole congregation. This dream was the crucial point for me to leaving this organisation after a long time of struggling. But for me is not over, even after now almost 25 years passing by. I see myself in death row, expecting my execution in Armageddon.
@mrsdanmiller
@mrsdanmiller Год назад
Life is a futile mandatory death sentence subjected to such on the basis of hope (a virtue which is a choice rather than a “fruitage of the spirit.)
@morpheusx8436
@morpheusx8436 3 года назад
The great majority of witnesses are over 50 years old, and as these generations die off, the kingdom halls will become less relevant and empty, so it is inevitable that kingdom halls will continue to be sold off as the younger generation leave or adapt to the online presence, just like Christendom's demise, with church buildings being pulled down or converted, and since watchtower has no historical buildings in kingdom halls, you will see a landscape eventually with very few Kingdom Halls, the extinction of Kingdom halls is guaranteed as I see it evolving.
@pixelcookie1504
@pixelcookie1504 3 года назад
I used to be a witness and have been in a few different congregations and there have been barely any elderly in each
@morpheusx8436
@morpheusx8436 3 года назад
@@pixelcookie1504 That's very unusual, the five congregations in my area, are all heavily loaded with OAP's, and many of them in their 80's and 90's, and they are dropping like flies..........👍
@milham76
@milham76 3 года назад
@@pixelcookie1504 Very unusual
@jazzbassf
@jazzbassf 3 года назад
Such wishful thinking....are you a seer ,a prophet? Isaiah 54:17 " No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of Jehovah, and [a]their righteousness which is of me, saith Jehovah."
@jazzbassf
@jazzbassf 3 года назад
@@morpheusx8436 my congregation has more young than older Isaiah 54:17."No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of Jehovah, and [a]their righteousness which is of me, saith Jehovah."
@peterdewberry3082
@peterdewberry3082 3 года назад
As a member of a traditional Christian denomination, I found this very interesting. Our individual congregation struggled with what it meant to be a church in the pandemic. All in person meetings were cancelled, every Sunday the pastor conducted an online service, using our liturgy. My wife and I logged on most Sundays. Other services from our church were conducted on zoom, a midweek prayer service, an online Bible study etc. participation was not as high as pre-Covid levels, but most members stayed the course. Last Summer (2020) we held a socially distanced, outdoor service late afternoon in the shade of a huge tree. Respectable attendance. On April 3 2021 in person services opened up, with guidelines to protect health. Attendance is about 60% of the past. But people are slowly returning. Re: Developing world, our denomination is growing phenomenally compared to the West. I am involved in an educational non-profit that builds schools in two regions of an African country, we emphasize preparation for university. As a western Christian, I believe that much of my donation money should go to support Christians in poorer nations.
@HL-vr1vs
@HL-vr1vs 3 года назад
You are absolutely right. I also think that the downsizing/consolidation of the kingdom halls: (1) allows them to seamlessly amass a larger cash reserve from the lucrative global real estate arm and the equity they have built up over the years; (2) rebrand by transitioning to an online ministry, thereby eliminating the field service and literature that were the original source of the wealth; (3) transition the aging "generation" who still believes and are waiting for armageddon and paradise earth to "go quietly into that good night" and continue the organization/start over with a new doctrinal/publishing/literary form that appeals to a less sophisticated class of members.
@junejunie2284
@junejunie2284 3 года назад
Whatever they decide it'll be based on the bottom line $. Looking forward to this tomorrow.
@Waylend
@Waylend 3 года назад
GREAT points. Very nice observations. Thank you!
@Northwind82
@Northwind82 3 года назад
You should buy one Loyd move your bunker into a repurposed KH
@shanghaiberti4142
@shanghaiberti4142 3 года назад
I doute Lloyd would want his money too go too the gb
@MetaSynForYourSoul
@MetaSynForYourSoul 3 года назад
Nah you don't wanna give them money. Now if you're smart enough to find a way to get the kingdom hall from em WITHOUT paying em...🤔
@RogerDeelaw
@RogerDeelaw 3 года назад
In my opinion, selling all the kingdom halls, will not happen. Kingdom Halls are too important for the members. But on the other hand, they got rid of the book study (i don't know the english word for it, i mean that meeting that was mostly in their private homes and with a few people, where they studied a specific book). So everything is possible i guess.
@katiebrent3332
@katiebrent3332 3 года назад
Was very surprised they ditched the book study! I was told it was practice for the great tribulation when we couldn't meet at the Kingdom Hall due to persecution and had to meet in small groups. The fact that currently they don't meet in Kingdom Halls or go witnessing is so shocking to me! You're right, anything is possible....
@rhinofart89
@rhinofart89 3 года назад
I think no. They are central to having an elder body and controlling a congregation. To do away with KHs would be giving away a lot of control.
@thefaithfuldiscreetdave9425
@thefaithfuldiscreetdave9425 3 года назад
I’m guessing the alternative is zoom meetings for life.
@FakefulandDisgracedSlaveClass
@FakefulandDisgracedSlaveClass 3 года назад
I'm wondering if the GB is actually okay with that. They may not be so concerned with more people waking up from lack of physical attendance if it means saving huge $ on not having to maintain KH. Surprisingly the JW retention rate with zoom meetings is still pretty good, you will always have the die hard PIMIs and I think that's all the GB cares about is catering to keep them in.
@josevaldez1554
@josevaldez1554 3 года назад
They can still have elders, who will go around and visit the flock if I understand your comment correctly Eric.
@samanthataylor664
@samanthataylor664 3 года назад
Even if they get rid of all the halls won’t they still meet in person in each other’s homes like the old book study groups, after the pandemic ends, for witnessing? That would allow in person intimidation via the elders plus socialising for the rank and file. Maybe that will be the halfway house allowing them to retain control and grab the money at the same time?
@JackSmith-vu1ql
@JackSmith-vu1ql 3 года назад
Go away satan!
@danieltenke2180
@danieltenke2180 3 года назад
Great info. Have always enjoyed your observations.
@omarren
@omarren 3 года назад
All the churches are open, my church is already stop doing social distancing but yet the JW are still doing Zoom Meetings
@xlortiz
@xlortiz 3 года назад
They'd always told us, "Don't forsake the gathering together" !
@GZbroadcast
@GZbroadcast 3 года назад
With all due respect, in this regard I think JWs are showing more responsability than your church at this time.
@omarren
@omarren 3 года назад
@@GZbroadcast yea no, they just trying to save money. My Church cleans after every service, hand sanitizer available everywhere, mask up if you want but not required, the vaccine is out everything is opening up why are we going to remain like we in the beginning of the pandemic Trust in GOD! Don’t live in fear not a way to live
@rachaelfrenn9279
@rachaelfrenn9279 3 года назад
@@omarren I agree. The CDC called off social distancing and no more masks for fully vaccinated people. People should be responsible and get the vaccine, as the majority of adult Americans have. Churches should be meeting now in places where vaccine is readily available. The pandemic is winding down and death rates are down all over-- JWs gotta figure it out soon, zoom church forever isn't a good look when it's safe to gather...
@omarren
@omarren 3 года назад
@@rachaelfrenn9279 my Church made arrangements for a medical truck to come and administer the vaccine, what do JW do to help the community, oh yea NOTHING!
@erenjeager4369
@erenjeager4369 3 года назад
Omg omg !??!!? I'm already excited ommmgggg
@HSGAutomotive
@HSGAutomotive 3 года назад
I could see the organisation selling the halls in developed countries but keeping them in Africa etc, perhaps with a ‘zoom infrastructure’ of sorts, where they invest the relatively small amount of money to provide projectors to place in the African etc halls and keep the zoomies together.
@pauldaignault7407
@pauldaignault7407 3 года назад
I can see all of the KH being closed and sold. There’s a lot of valuable real estate here. Real estate cannot be transported or concealed, but money can! Then the cash goes to parts unknown somewhere in the world where the GB and their cronies would be provided safe haven. Preaching would be done via the Internet for a short while to those who would still not get it that they have been had. As for all of that cash, it would soon be distributed (liquidated if you will) per a set formula. There is no reason why this could not happen.
@nathanbond8165
@nathanbond8165 3 года назад
That's what I was telling someone else who was asking about what could you do with the building who cares about the buildings that's the least valuable thing on the property is the building its the ground under the building that's where the real money is and some of their locations are some pretty Choice locations so someone would buy the Kingdom Hall property immediately bulldoze the building and build apartments and or some kind of business on this ground
@ericcarey7971
@ericcarey7971 2 года назад
Please stop saying Jehova witnesses and call it by it’s rightful name JEHOVA “WICKEDNESS the house where ( child molesters) are groomed without any form of penalty from the law , what a farce
@torontocitizen6802
@torontocitizen6802 2 года назад
@@ericcarey7971 The Catholic Church is also full of priests who abuse and murder children. All religions are evil.
@sandycandy897
@sandycandy897 3 года назад
NOW I'm REALLY looking forward toward GB selling all KHs👏👏👏👏
@rolandtony591
@rolandtony591 3 года назад
Hi sister how are you doing
@sandycandy897
@sandycandy897 3 года назад
@@rolandtony591 hi brother, quite allright... what about you? PIMO Buddy maybe? 😉
@rolandtony591
@rolandtony591 3 года назад
@@sandycandy897 ok I’m good where are you from what is your Congregation and how long have you been in the truth
@sandycandy897
@sandycandy897 3 года назад
@@rolandtony591 I still have to be in the cult... I'm from Germany and I grew up in the truth
@rolandtony591
@rolandtony591 3 года назад
@@sandycandy897 i was born brought in the truth I was baptized in 1979 I’m originally from Poland and I live in US Texas
@timpgpilot2530
@timpgpilot2530 3 года назад
I helped build/convert/renovate over thirty KH’s and was invited to many dedication talks after completion. Is there a talk to un-dedicate them when they’re sold after being dedicated to Jehovah now? Many KH’s have been sold to other religions, (Babylon the Great) how do current JW’s reconcile the sale of halls to Satan’s world? 🤔 No doubt there’ll be “new light” to answer my questions!
@JudithSanchez-ht6jn
@JudithSanchez-ht6jn 3 года назад
I am catholic and the Catholics problem is that big business expand construction of condominium for the new class. The young generation who are making better salaries than their parents do. Well they destroy buildings in old communities, the prices are million up, the people who has been living for generations can not survived to pay the rents. They have to move out and the Catholics have to sell the buildings but before the Bishop come and desecrated the altar and the temple is become a building. ThenJW does not clean the place is become a simple building. If I made a language mistake in my word desecration, please correct me. God bless
@carlossaysroar
@carlossaysroar 3 года назад
Depends what the money from the sale is used for..if it’s re-purposed to spread the word in parts of the world where there is greater need...then why not?
@timpgpilot2530
@timpgpilot2530 3 года назад
@@carlossaysroar My question was not about the money it was are they undedicated to Jehovah when they’re sold to other religions?
@robertshaw7692
@robertshaw7692 3 года назад
They got to have a place to disfellowship people and tell everyone in the seats
@TheSilverBeagle
@TheSilverBeagle 3 года назад
Already being done on Zoom my friend.
@LoXena
@LoXena 3 года назад
@@TheSilverBeagle wow zoom disfellowshiping... 😯
@Godly-Beard
@Godly-Beard 3 года назад
When I Dissociated last year they announced me on zoom.
@FyourCult
@FyourCult 3 года назад
they still need microphone handlers though 😅
@governingbodylanguage2025
@governingbodylanguage2025 3 года назад
Yes. When Zoom meetings started they were doing Judicial Committee meetings on Zoom. Then word came down from on high, Jesus I guess, that the only thing you can do at the Kingdom Hall is Judicial Meetings. Also, that Judicial Meetings should not be done on Zoom, at all. It is too easy to screen record, and that started to happen spring of 2020(or at least it was being encouraged by ex-JWs). Zoom JCs stopped abruptly and I have not heard of any JC meetings over the internet. Goatlike Personality did a video on Kingdom Halls only being used for JCs. I guess they would have to invite you to an elder's house? IDK. Edit to say: You can check the letter's to elders to see that headquarters told then not to use Zoom for Judicial meetings!
@steann1
@steann1 3 года назад
..and the poor plebs who still have to maintain these KH’s, weed the garden and pay the bills and loans, and can’t even attend meetings. Plus individuals need to pay for the internet and equipment..😵 It’s a great time to be faded and sitting home in front of my fire.
@TheSaladKing
@TheSaladKing 3 года назад
Becoming a Zoom Cult, "their helms deep" lmao this had me floored
@nathanbond8165
@nathanbond8165 3 года назад
You know Lloyd wouldn't it be ironic if the Armageddon that this religion has been preaching and talking about since the day of its Inception was not the end of the world or Earth but rather turns out that the Armageddon is the end of this religion
@ramoth777
@ramoth777 3 года назад
Mr. Bond...love your post.
@jessicanerpio-cauldwell4987
@jessicanerpio-cauldwell4987 3 года назад
Sounds about right...for every beginning there is an end...WT ORG ( Black Hole) Demise...😲🤭👏
@stevenclarke5606
@stevenclarke5606 3 года назад
Let’s hope so, I can’t wait to see the end of this Evil child abusing Cult! Their preachings will finally take place, quite ironic!
@josecarlosrodriguez9876
@josecarlosrodriguez9876 3 года назад
Those guys are like cats and they always land on their feet. They gonna say like " tha almighty jeehovah don't dwell on houses made by hands " so this is new light Amen. Praise the Lord and let's get going. Gotta sell'em all.
@ready2danceagain
@ready2danceagain 3 года назад
Oh myyyy.... that is so true, sounds EXACTLY like WT's M.O.
@jacquelynn2051
@jacquelynn2051 3 года назад
Jehovahs Witnesses say, ‘Praise the lord’ now?” I only ask because I was born and baptized into this cult but I left it 26 years ago and they didn’t talk like that then...just curious. Thank you!
@dogsdroolllquinavancepasre6756
@dogsdroolllquinavancepasre6756 3 года назад
@@jacquelynn2051 No, they do not "praise the lord". That's worldly. 🙃
@believeinjesus8862
@believeinjesus8862 3 года назад
Learn something new every day! I have a KH where I live and I never noticed that they had no windows!! 😳
@onebite4784
@onebite4784 3 года назад
Ironically the old folks love a good zoom. They are blissfully happy being remotely righteous.
@KudukUngol
@KudukUngol 3 года назад
I'm grateful my elderly mother no longer has to drive miles at night by herself to get to the meetings. She's no longer risking her safety going door to door. She is on zoom every single morning for field service writing letters with the group. They talk about all sorts of things, there's lots of laughter and she enjoys it. At her age, there's no chance in her waking up so if she's going to stay in, I'd much prefer she do it this way. And most of her letters come back as undeliverable so it's unlikely she's converting anyone. Win, win, win! 😊
@josevaldez1554
@josevaldez1554 3 года назад
They will get rid of them. Its such a huge cash cow for them.
@EasternStar22
@EasternStar22 3 года назад
I think it's safe to say that we will see the end of Kingdom Halls long before we see the end of "This system of Things", even though we were recently told by Stephen Lett that we are "in the last of the very last of the last days of this system of things". The only last days we should be looking forward to are the last days of Watchtower. Having that cult come to it's end would be a REAL Paradise Earth! No Panthers sleeping in trees above us required.
@blackholeentry3489
@blackholeentry3489 2 года назад
Five hundred years from now, if any JWs still exist, they will still be chanting the same mantra...''We're in the last days!"
@GodDieux
@GodDieux 2 месяца назад
Hey! Great video. Thank you. 🙏🏼
@jbthefirst960
@jbthefirst960 3 года назад
Started watching this because I just drove past a kingdom hall for sale in Virginia, USA.
@bloosart
@bloosart 3 года назад
The members will believe anything they're told.
@mswiseone12
@mswiseone12 3 года назад
I agree. I married a member who had faded for over two decades. He went back to the meetings after the birth of our son. He turned into a hypothetical asshole overnight. It frustrates him of my refusal to study. It's just not for me. He defends every decision that is made by calling it "new light". I have stopped trying to show him how things make no sense. I then have to remind myself he barely made it out of high school and his ignorance is supported by ignorant people too. So, it's safety in numbers. The most recent thing I told him? I don't understand how he would take vaccine advice from an organization who discouraged members from getting them over 50 years ago because they didn't trust doctors or the government. He says its not the government pushing the vaccines despite Trump calling the program "Operation Warp Speed" to get them mass produced and on the market. He didn't want to listen. I am not anti vaccine. I am very skeptical about the government encouraging its citizens to willingly take something it hasn't approved for administration. The thing most people don't understand is when you are willingly taking the shot, you are also waiving the right to sue the company that made it. The government is going to use its very own constitution to protect itself from the citizens it was created to protect. The only good thing about it? The organization is going to have a massive die out in the next decade. There are some kids born into it now that might be their future hope, but the same internet the organization frowned upon, now their great white hope, will be their undoing. The organization doesn't like anyone questioning them, but with no face to face meetings, the elders can only exude moments of control during meetings. They can't control what happens before and after them. I giggle my butt off when I see my son and his father wear boxers with dress shirts and ties and nothing else. So, I see small cracks in the brainwashing. I ask him about it. He says they can't see him so what difference does it make? He is absolutely right! I live in Florida. A lot of the KH parking lots look unkempt and dirty. The grass in some places don't look like its getting cut, no trees getting pruned, and trash is not getting picked up. He says that happened overnight. I just shake my head. If we weren't married, I would sell him my timeshare week on the Moon. I am just waiting for the day the announcement is made where they say the new light tells them they are selling off all of the KH here to finance those "poor misguided people over in Africa". It might hold water at first. However, if someone takes the time out to investigate what is really going on over there, they will know it's a lie, and they are attempting a "Hail Mary" to keep from going bankrupt from all of the court ordered payments because of the two witnesses rule biting them in their asses and pockets. My son speaks freely with me. A lot of the parents from the hall they attended thinks their children can walk on water because they aren't "worldly". My son told me those kids hate the meetings, curse, and confess they can't wait to grow up so they can get the hell out. One kid confessed to being gay. He begged my son not to tell. He told my son because the boy knows I am not a witness and he knows my son only goes through the motions around his father to keep him happy like he does for his parents. I think the KH will be a thing of the past by 2026. That is the target year for that 26 million dollars media center to be completed. With the membership numbers dwindling, and the lawsuit payments on the rise, the money is going to have to come from somewhere. The selling of prime real estate would be the best solution. We will just have to wait and see. The only way for them to survive is to come into the 21st century with the replacement of the 8 old dinosaurs with young, progressive members full of new light in the form of ideas (survival instincts). They will most likely be relatives of the current body members just to make sure they don't stray too far from their indoctrination. .
@bloosart
@bloosart 3 года назад
@@mswiseone12 , I'm very sorry to hear about your situation. Ask your husband why god doesn't reveal itself to you or anyone else that thinks critically.
@VaughanMcCue
@VaughanMcCue 3 года назад
@@mswiseone12 Your story is so compelling that I am concerned it might not be read thoroughly because there are no paragraphs. The information is critical and I took it upon myself to fix it for you. NO offence intended. If you like what I have done - and it is not perfect, just copy mine and drop it in place of yours, then I will delete mine. Thank you for exposing this wicked cult for what it is and a special thanks for your interest and contribution. I agree. I married a member who had faded for over two decades. He went back to the meetings after the birth of our son. He turned into a hypocritical asshole overnight. It frustrates him because I refuse to study their rubbish. It's just not for me. He defends every decision that is made by calling it "new light". I have stopped trying to show him how things make no sense. I then have to remind myself he barely made it out of high school, and his ignorance is supported by ignorant people too. So, it's safety in numbers. The most recent thing I mentioned to him is that I don't understand how he would take vaccine advice from an organization who discouraged members from getting them over 50 years ago because they didn't trust doctors or the government. He says it is not the government pushing the vaccines despite Trump calling the program "Operation Warp Speed" to get them mass-produced and on the market. He didn't want to listen. I am not anti-vaccine. I am very skeptical about the government encouraging its citizens to willingly take something that hasn't been approved by the US F.D. Administration. The thing most people don't understand is when you are willingly taking the shot; you are also waiving the right to sue the company that made it. The government is going to use its very own constitution to protect itself from the citizens that the constitution was created to protect. The only good thing about Covid is the organization is going to have a massive die out in the next decade. There are some kids born into it now that might be their future hope, but the same internet the organization frowned upon is now their great white hope. However it will be their undoing. The organization doesn't like anyone questioning them, but with no face to face meetings, the elders have limited moments of control during meetings. They can't control what happens before and after them. I giggle my butt off when I see my son and his father wear boxers with dress shirts and ties and nothing else. So, I see small cracks in the brainwashing. I ask him about it. He says they can't see him, so what difference does it make? He is absolutely right! I live in Florida. A lot of the KH parking lots look unkempt and dirty. The grass in some places doesn't look like its getting cut, no trees getting pruned, and trash is not getting picked up. He says that happened overnight. I just shake my head. If we weren't married, I would sell him my timeshare week on the Moon. I am just waiting for the day the announcement is made where they say the new light tells them they are selling off all of the KH here to finance those "poor misguided people over in Africa". It might hold water at first. However, if someone takes the time out to investigate what is really going on over there, they will know it's a lie, and they are attempting a "Hail Mary" to keep from going bankrupt from all of the court-ordered payments because of the two witnesses rule biting them in their asses and pockets. My son speaks freely with me. A lot of the parents from the hall they attended thinks their children can walk on water because they aren't "worldly". My son told me those kids hate the meetings, curse, and confess they can't wait to grow up so they can get the hell out. One kid confessed to being gay. He begged my son not to tell. He told my son because the boy knows I am not a witness, and he knows my son only goes through the motions around his father to keep him happy as he does for his parents. I think the KH will be a thing of the past by 2026. That is the target year for that 26 million dollars media center to be completed. With the membership numbers dwindling, and the lawsuit payments on the rise, the money is going to have to come from somewhere. The selling of prime real estate would be the best solution. We will just have to wait and see. The only way for them to survive is to come into the 21st century with the replacement of the 8 old dinosaurs with young, progressive members full of a new light in the form of ideas (survival instincts). They will most likely be relatives of the current body members just to make sure they don't stray too far from their indoctrination
@patbrennan6572
@patbrennan6572 2 года назад
But that's how all religions work, they have a special way to get idiots to believe in bullshit.
@williamsawyer9894
@williamsawyer9894 3 года назад
This subject reminds me of Henry VIII's dissolution of the monasteries during the English Reformation. Many of the Governing Body members are as portly as Henry VIII (another similarity).
@zcdel9192
@zcdel9192 3 года назад
Lol
@carlisroy6666
@carlisroy6666 3 года назад
The Christian love is really flowing through Sue :D
@chrisb012
@chrisb012 3 года назад
Great video and synopsis of the options open to the Borg, Lloyd. I’m getting a feeling that they are worried because they are losing control over some of the brothers, and that as you say, once they sell, they can’t go back.
@catht9653
@catht9653 3 года назад
​Seems to me the most likely is a hybrid. They'd be foolish to sell all of them. But serious downsizing, and people meet weekdays on Zoom and Sundays at a KH that is somewhere within an hour drive.
@serafin1352
@serafin1352 3 года назад
Probs
@blackmanpower7484
@blackmanpower7484 3 года назад
As a PIMO that’s what I hope happens
@leighknight561
@leighknight561 3 года назад
this makes sense, that way they sell more KHs and have more congs in each hall. I also think the regional convention will go to 2 days with one at home.
@ericisawesome5725
@ericisawesome5725 3 года назад
Yes Lloyd, but Nita clearly would have rather taken Jade back to her place, so debunked 😂😂
@cesarfernandez183
@cesarfernandez183 3 года назад
End of kingdom halls? I'd love it.
@annt.7785
@annt.7785 3 года назад
And please end the seventh day Adventist churches 😂😂😂. I call the SDA church the fraternal twin brother of JW.
@jameschristiansson3137
@jameschristiansson3137 3 года назад
@@annt.7785 Do the 7th dayers still run hospitals?
@jazzbassf
@jazzbassf 3 года назад
Cesar Fernandez Isaiah 57 17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of Jehovah, and [a]their righteousness which is of me, saith Jehovah."
@janetmitchell3559
@janetmitchell3559 3 года назад
You never been part of the kingdom hall ?
@jameschristiansson3137
@jameschristiansson3137 3 года назад
@@jazzbassf Watchtower is in decline. The tongues in judgement are ascendant. Isaiah is wrong.
@catht9653
@catht9653 3 года назад
Someone should upload onto RU-vid a tutorial for PIMOs on how to create a video of themselves so that it looks like they're watching when they aren't 🙂
@patriciabanse
@patriciabanse 3 года назад
you're so right, Lloyd Evens. My "outgoing" was two years ago. I was seeing, that tis religion is a cult. - Thank you and all the other people, who make videos or wrote books for the look behind the curtain of this control-mechanism. It helped me very much to go out. It takes a long time to "forget" the rules and the mind-control. - It is necessary to begin the selfthinking to be free - Many, many thanks! It' s not an easy way, but it makes me happy. Thanks for your open words. I feel free. -Patricia from Germany
@Yah_Weii
@Yah_Weii 3 года назад
Before I was DF in March 2021, on zoom, I would make a pre-recorded interaction and just lay back in the meeting and do my homework or read a book
@angelamaryquitecontrary4609
@angelamaryquitecontrary4609 3 года назад
Sweet!
@Yah_Weii
@Yah_Weii 3 года назад
@@sueellenward6625 The video dived into how Zoom meetings are worst than KH meetings because the audience can easily get distracted or turn off their cameras. Using Virtual Video Backgrounds on Zoom isn’t the easiest thing to setup. Moreover doing my school work and reading a book seems more intelligent than listening to 2 hours of Watch Tower Society propaganda.
@Yah_Weii
@Yah_Weii 3 года назад
@@sueellenward6625 it’s more intelligent of me to “cowardly fake my attendance” than to not joined and be physically abused by my devout mothers punishments and discipline for not joining the zoom meeting
@Yah_Weii
@Yah_Weii 3 года назад
@@sueellenward6625 soon to be 17. Yes I’ve been beaten - it’s been reported to CPS services in Texas but nothing happened. My only solution is to play it cool and move out ASAP
@jessicanerpio-cauldwell4987
@jessicanerpio-cauldwell4987 3 года назад
@@Yah_Weii liked a Chess Player...😊
@lawrencemiera2325
@lawrencemiera2325 3 года назад
They will re-open. But who’s to say they won’t use this current pandemic to stoke more fear? Or Promote More self-inflicted persecution.
@davidburroughs2244
@davidburroughs2244 3 года назад
You can bet on it. Either way it turns out, either way any any thing turns out, you can be sure it will be popular for these fundamentalist churches to bang the big drum of "the world hates us, persecutes us, sure sign off the end of the world" ... unless you send in more money, drop more money in the box, basket and hand, and if you do not work for free, reduced, no pension scams they have worked up for you.
@gracelyn7058
@gracelyn7058 2 года назад
Yeah they are using fear like never before lol I have been disassociated since I was a teenager and recently started zooming meetings to appease my family , and let me tell you haha it is pretty hard to take any of them seriously. They are so consumed with covid fear. And basically the GBody had said many times that the vaccine is awesome and pushing all to get it . I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if they too use the vaccine as leverage to control their people keep them internet bound and sell all the kingdom halls . Don’t forget that the headquarters has been fighting many lawsuits that are forcing Jws organization to pay millions of dollars .
@truthtriumphsevil7729
@truthtriumphsevil7729 3 года назад
And still they can’t answer why they’re hiding in basements having bible studies during the great tribulation, when the government has no reason to come after them. Especially since they’re doing zoom and writing letters. It’s sooo comical.
@NeatoboyAus
@NeatoboyAus 3 года назад
The Governments have many reasons for coming after them especially since they are hiding their database of pedophiles from the authorities.
@terridovey7648
@terridovey7648 3 года назад
@@NeatoboyAus EXACTLY! 👍👏👏👏👏
@KudukUngol
@KudukUngol 3 года назад
@@NeatoboyAus That's the leadership, not the rank and file.
@NeatoboyAus
@NeatoboyAus 3 года назад
@@KudukUngol Yes the Governing Body plus some Elders who didn't report the abuse to the authorities.
@therealjaystone2344
@therealjaystone2344 3 года назад
@@NeatoboyAus And their god hates those pedos injustice.
@ozie4779
@ozie4779 3 года назад
The GB continues to make the same mistake over and over. They confuse context for content. For example, let's take a book publishing company which puts a bloody, rusty blade in the middle of all of their books. Over the years they change the materials by which they make the books. They modernize the fonts. They update the materials and keep making the quality of the book better and better. It still has that rusty, bloody blade in the center. Then we come to the information age. The book publishing company starts to produce CDs, DVDs and online content. All with the same bloody, rusty blade in the middle. Now, thanks to apostates like Lloyd the world now knows about that bloody, rust blade. The GB still does not get as long as they keep that bloody, rusty blade as their content. They can never sell that content to anyone. No matter how polished and appealing the context. Fortunately, for us the same old guys keep making the same bad decisions over and over again. Their narcissism fueled isolation is keeping them from seeing the truth about themselves. The magic trick has been exposed. You can't keep fooling the same kids with the same magic act now that they know how the trick is done. Watchtower is bleeding members. In addition, the virus is killing witnesses disproportionately to the general population. The religion is getting older and older with the men dying faster than the women. Now Africa is getting wise to their magic act and the growth there is reversing. Since the religion is so much smaller than it was in the 80s and 90s they might as well sell all of the kingdom halls. Soon there won't be anyone left to meet in them anyway.
@adamhill4141
@adamhill4141 3 года назад
I don't see them closing all Kingdom Halls. It makes business sense to close the Kingdom Halls that are not growing and consolidating them with others. Like retail, a lot of material will move online. As for the cult aspect, it gives the Governing Body more direct control of what people see and hear.
@rickheuft476
@rickheuft476 3 года назад
In high school I befriended a JW. He kept trying to convince me of the Young Earth creation myth. Looking back, I recall Voltaire’s words “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities”. I later learned he had torn retinas, refused surgery and went blind. So sad a young life ruined because of allegiance to a cult.
@bernadettemaldonado755
@bernadettemaldonado755 2 года назад
It's all about the "Governing Body" living high off the hog.
@annking8633
@annking8633 3 года назад
The Kingdom Hall in my neighborhood closed down 2 years ago. A family bought it and turned it into their home. Painted it black. It looks cool.
@MJBsays
@MJBsays 3 года назад
I said it before, I say it again they will turn to a subscription model (Netflix type). All the signs are there.
@numerosa6075
@numerosa6075 3 года назад
I really hope you can put up a spotify podcast channel, this would really help me uhuuh. Thanks!
@margaretvalentine5957
@margaretvalentine5957 3 года назад
22:20 the final con. Missing the adoration. 🎉🌻🎉🌸🌸🍒🍒🌻🎉🎉🍅🍅🍅🍅
@williamtwain9850
@williamtwain9850 3 года назад
@margaret how are you doing today?
@winstonjacobis8204
@winstonjacobis8204 2 года назад
This is sad, I just hope people wake up and Jehovah god deal with all the leaders who is responsible for their wrong doing, thanks for the good job you are doing please continue exposed them
@DY2784
@DY2784 3 года назад
That would be a big blessing to PIMOs!👍👍👍
@tbneogalaxy
@tbneogalaxy 3 года назад
Not to those of us living with PIMIs. It was way more comfortable to dial in and put it on mute while my parents drove to the hall and I could us either time for whatever. Now I actually have to have the zoom crap running...
@jadasmitn8831
@jadasmitn8831 3 года назад
😜😜Jehovah is great! Merciful with PIMO s
@Chris-sd8mk
@Chris-sd8mk 2 года назад
My dad hit me all the time, forced me to go to meetings, I was bullied at school, I was not as clever as my older brother who went to grammar school, I was with my dad when he passed , he never told me he loved me ,I’m now 62 and have mental health problems , I know it sounds funny but I still love my dad ,even though I was scared of him.
@jamesbovington8218
@jamesbovington8218 2 года назад
I am 61. I can't offer any help also had a strained relationship with my father. I can commend you for sharing your experience.
@bernadettemaldonado755
@bernadettemaldonado755 2 года назад
I've seen JW's child abuse, I'm sorry for yours, never stop loving the true GOD though.
@dathunder4131
@dathunder4131 2 года назад
I find Lyold Evans podcast very interesting and realistic.😎👍👍
@midnightmule2626
@midnightmule2626 3 года назад
all very well explained, thanks :)
@d.o.m.494
@d.o.m.494 3 года назад
In my daily life I go past at least 3 kingdom halls, even before covid I've never seen life in any of them!
@jeannec7558
@jeannec7558 3 года назад
Only way they will miss meetings is by an Internet /computer failure...😂😂😂😂 I would have loads if that was me.
@YallAintRight
@YallAintRight 3 года назад
Oh darn! My camera got broken!
@__.lucky.__
@__.lucky.__ 3 года назад
Right! That would be nice.
@thefaithfuldiscreetdave9425
@thefaithfuldiscreetdave9425 3 года назад
Also in a separate experience, while I was working in South Carolina for a few months and going to the meetings there, they were also saving up for a new hall. The donations there are way less “passive”. Brothers and sisters “pledged” or promised certain amounts to give, and then they had regular local needs items chasing the money. They weren’t small amounts either. Hundreds, even thousands! Really weird. Basically guilted into promising huge donations and then badgered Into coughing up the cash. I can proudly say though, after 25 years inside, I didn’t donate a penny. Cash back 💪🏻
@7eyeswideopen177
@7eyeswideopen177 3 года назад
Back in the late 70 early 80s we hard to write out a pledge for the amount of money we will be giving towards the new hall, new assembly hall and branch office and all the free labour. The real hard sell was on given talks about saving up worldly possessions when we could be giving glory to Jehovah. Quick builds will be a fine wittness to the world. I thought it was a bit rich coming on the back of the failed 1975 when some sold their homes and used the money so they could preach full time to the end. Everyone was so relieved when we payed our new hall off because we were expected to just keep giving and all the work we had given it never stopped I wonder how long it will be before it is sold as it's on prime real estate offers in the 90's of millions of dollers but everyone was exhausted from all the buildings. Then the big steel the hall was given back to the society and now the congregation has the privilege of paying rent and doing the maintenance on a hall they don't own. After giving 65 years to the lies I'm done now my eyes are wide open because of all the new light
@FakefulandDisgracedSlaveClass
@FakefulandDisgracedSlaveClass 3 года назад
In the mid 2000s our local hall also was trying to build a kh. Same tactics, lots of local needs talk with charts and graphs detailing how much money we needed and what land sale prices were going for, voting on pledges from publishers to promise a certain amount and so forth and so forth. Btw it never happened , instead they ended up using all the money to remodel and relandscape two kingdom halls in the area lol. What a joke.
@thefaithfuldiscreetdave9425
@thefaithfuldiscreetdave9425 3 года назад
@@7eyeswideopen177 I mourn your 65 years. But glad you woke up too! These practices are just plan fraudulent
@thefaithfuldiscreetdave9425
@thefaithfuldiscreetdave9425 3 года назад
@@FakefulandDisgracedSlaveClass it’s all a con. I’m glad I never donated a penny to be honest
@7eyeswideopen177
@7eyeswideopen177 3 года назад
@@FakefulandDisgracedSlaveClass even worse my Dad worked 5 days a week then weekends holidays slaving sorry serving on the building committee he traveled all over the country at his experience missed seeing his grandkids grow serving on this so called privilege committee. To add salt into the wound he loaned a large amount of money towards building the new branch to be repaid in 5 years we could never find out if it had even been repaid he would never talk about it my guess it wasn't. My parent's gave over 75 years both I can only imagine what a wonderful life they could of lived.
@sabrinalennox2004
@sabrinalennox2004 2 года назад
Ohhh do this is why my familys kingdom hall is still closed. I questioned my family and they told me it was because of the pandemic and how nice of them. My inner voice said nope, I'm not buying it. When I told my mom that every place of worship has reopened her response was that they are more delicate
@abqjewel5055
@abqjewel5055 3 года назад
* I’m not a Lloyd fan but I watched this video because it was A LOT shorter than most of his videos. 😆 I loved how he mentioned that KH’s are needed in countries where there isn’t internet available so having zoom meetings in those areas would kill the organization especially in places like Africa. He actually said the JW organization needs Africa because of the growth potential there and without KHs there will be no growth. Without growth there is decline. What most of us fail to realize is that the men who hold the positions in the GB don’t care about people in countries that don’t have money. Not only that, it’s only been in recent years that they appointed a black man into their ranks. Dare I call them out as racists?? I would bet that the members of the GB would rather sell the KH in Africa for profit rather than keep them open and risk the amount of African growth in the JW organization. Yes, I said it! And you can quote me on that.
@rolandtony591
@rolandtony591 3 года назад
Hi sister how are you doing
@frozentspark2105
@frozentspark2105 3 года назад
Could they be going full on Evangelical TV?
@markweatherill
@markweatherill 3 года назад
No way! Oh wait. YES
@justjenn1345
@justjenn1345 3 года назад
I’m new to your channel and I’m happy to have found you. I recently purged all my literature that I’ve been dragging around for 25 yrs. I carried them around out of fear that jehovah will not let my son in the new system and out of guilt I guess. I’ve been disassociated for probably as long. I tried to return when my 24 yr old son was 2/3yrs old. I remember not wanting to ever return after my bible study made me spank my son for running on the platform/stage at just 3yrs old during a meeting.For some reason my son was determined to get up there LOL. Why did that require a spanking? I still wish I didn’t spank him but sadly I did.Any way as I thumbed threw my books I saw years and years of highlighting and written notes and answers and cross examination of answers. I was in awe of how much brain washing I and my siblings sustained. My brother and I have been out for years but our two older sisters are still trying to be good witnesses. Our parents passed many many years ago but they led double lives and it was so confusing for us. I will Never Ever set foot or an eye 👁 on another meeting ever again
@MichaelYoder1961
@MichaelYoder1961 3 года назад
Winston on the Big Brother poster, reminding people that they are under surveillance by cameras and listening devices. "You had to live - did live, from habit that became instinct - in the assumption that every sound you made was overheard, and, except in darkness, every moment scrutinized." George Orwell, 1984.
@victoriahill7218
@victoriahill7218 3 года назад
Lloyd: "Nothing beats being there in person". Me: 🤣🤣🤣
@rolandtony591
@rolandtony591 3 года назад
Hi sister how are you doing
@lollerkaterina
@lollerkaterina 3 года назад
I always thought that at the very least they would eventually switch to an "educational nonprofit org" and cast off the religion label. They could totally rebrand and make many JWs think they're finally getting somewhere. It could also draw new people in if they let their guard down thinking it's not a religion. A change like that gets them off the hook in some situations that are sure to become much bigger problems in the future. Selling the kingdom halls could facilitate that total format change. JWs just love new light, they would eat it up!
@dervish108
@dervish108 3 года назад
I bet the GB is taking notes and considering Lloyd like some unwilling consultant!
@koivunen2489
@koivunen2489 3 года назад
The title for his next book could then be The Reluctant Consultant
@GD-oz7uy
@GD-oz7uy 3 года назад
😂
@markeverson5849
@markeverson5849 3 года назад
This is a voice I am in the wilderness and these messages Below have been approved
@vinegar10able
@vinegar10able 3 года назад
Well when I was a boy, we used to meet in rented halls__rented from local firms or from a community group. We even for many years used to meet in a hall known as "The Empire Hall" by the local community. We were encouraged to keep an eye out for local plots of land suitable for building a Kingdom Hall. Is it not possible that local witnesses will be asked to rent a room in a community centre for a few hours a week to hold their meetings?
@merrittceleste
@merrittceleste 3 года назад
I kinda think that trying to "sell" the idea to their followers is a moot point, really. The rank in file is never to question the GB's direction, even if it doesn't make sense from a human standpoint.
@rolandtony591
@rolandtony591 3 года назад
Hi sister how are you doing
@milham76
@milham76 2 года назад
SB "rank and file"
@st.christopher1155
@st.christopher1155 2 года назад
“His winnowing fork is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clear His threshing floor; and He will gather His wheat into the barn, but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.” ✝️📖🙏🏼
@jrl9319
@jrl9319 2 года назад
What part of the Bible is that what scripture
@st.christopher1155
@st.christopher1155 2 года назад
@@jrl9319 Keep reading. You will eventually get to that part.
@malb1961
@malb1961 2 года назад
I was told years ago when I was heavily pregnant that if I sat on the fence and didn’t join them that demons would sit on the edge of my babies cot
@tma4446
@tma4446 3 года назад
When I use to go to meetings they always said one day we might not be able to meet in Kingdom Halls and that’s why we had one meeting a week in someone’s home. It practice for that day. The control and watchful eyes is going to be interesting without the Kingdom Halls. If they are still doing book study in peoples homes clicks will become a big problem.
@tyronedemirah4077
@tyronedemirah4077 3 года назад
I thank God he set me free from this cult. I was part of it for 10 years.
@terridovey7648
@terridovey7648 3 года назад
The last kh in my town has been sold. So no more of them! YAY!!🙂👍👌
@hopewynn1753
@hopewynn1753 3 года назад
Congrats to you & the town.
@terridovey7648
@terridovey7648 3 года назад
@@hopewynn1753 😅😅 Amen!
@vicroy5603
@vicroy5603 3 года назад
Great video Lloyd! For the cult, it all boils down to a sea that is boiling, and a rocky mountain that is melting... Hence no escape shelter for the toxic, harmful, wicked cult.
@shandastefanowicz1484
@shandastefanowicz1484 3 года назад
They are not all wicked. All religion is a form of a cult. There are MANY GOOD JEHIVAHS WITNESSES. I was raised a Jehobahs Witness, but have always chosen not to be a Jehovahs Witness. Not because I specifically dont like JW''s, but because I dont feel I need to be a part of any group of religion to have a relationship with my higher power. All the money spent building huge ridiculous buildings to worship is unnecessary. Take all that money and help the poor, the abused women, children. Men. No other religion gathers to build their churches to save on costs, works as hard to spread what they believe to be the words of God and help teach others about God. To say all Jehovah's witnesses are evil cult members is just ignorant. Some of the most loving, kind, generous, compassionate people I have EVER known were Jehovah's witnesses, like my precious and beautiful grandma and papa when we lost in the past couple of years. My mom is also a witness and she is exactly like my grandma and papa, and would give the shirt off her back to help someone in need. As far as the child abuse policy, I absolutely do not agree. As someone who was sexually abused by a stranger when I was 14, the policy makes my blood boil. But each individual witness doesn't necessarily agree with the policy either. Another thing I greatly disagree with is it is 100% men lead, so much so, that some of the men actually treat women and their wives as "less than" , and the fact that the wives duty is to be submissive to her husband's sexual wants or needs , EVEN IF SHE DOESNT WANT TO !!! No woman, or man should ever be obligated to have sex, of not comfortable for any reason I dont give a shit who says they should. Maybe the elders who made that "rule" should go spend a little time in prison, and be forced to be the submissive one. Then let's see what your opinion of that rule is. If you have never been traumatized by sexual abuse, you have no damn clue what it is like.i dont care how many degrees you have. I have met many wonderful witnesses over the 48 years i have been associated with them through my mom and grandparents being witnesses.
@vicroy5603
@vicroy5603 3 года назад
When the words like "JW cult", "JW organisation" or just "cult" are used, please know that those behind the steering wheels are being referred to. Baptised in 1968 and left in 1990, I have all my loving children, grandchildren, uncles and wife (seperated) in there, though shunning me ever since. Imagine my joy if the cult organisation and its leaders are no more, then my captive loved ones become free!
@Classicretro2023
@Classicretro2023 3 года назад
There is always the option for extra face to face conventions to satisfy that community need. Also meeting in smaller groups within members houses could work.
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