3:30 Introduction 5:33 Six ways in which science and theology are relevant to each other 6:55 A book recommendation for deeper study of the arguments in this presentation 7:40 Argument 1: Kalam cosmological argument 20:30 Argument 2: The unreasonable effectiveness of mathematics 37:55 Argument 3: The fine-tuning of the universe for life 46:40 Conclusion 47:30 Q&A
And you will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. -Jeremiah 29:13 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. - John 3:16 Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out. -Acts 3:19 If are in North America, please go check out any of the churches available to you: PCA, OPC, Rpcna/Rpc, Urcna, or a canrc church (These are conservative and actual Presbyterian churches) If you can’t find one of the conservative presby churches then, maybe a Lcms or Wels Lutheran church. If you are Scottish, I recommend the Free Church of Scotland and the APC. (Different from the Church of Scotland) If you are English I recommend the Free Church of England. (Different from the Church of England) Online you can look up church finders for each of the groups and it will show you locations .
♦"Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool." ♦"Only fools revere the myths just bc a book claims itself to be the holy truth." ♦"The delusional religious fools are cocksure and the intelligent full of doubt." ♦"The religious believe by the millions what lunatics could believe on their own." ♦"It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled." ♦"It's difficult to free fools from the chains they revere."
@@AtamMardes @AtamMardes 1. All you've done is quote quips from Voltaire. 2. However you don't make a case or provide any kind of reason or evidence for anyone to believe (say) Christianity is false, while atheism is true. 3. Is there even a *positive* case for why you believe atheism is true? Most of what I've seen for atheism is negative. Such as atheism is the lack of belief in gods, atheism doesn't believe in fairies in the garden, like trying to find a teapot orbiting the sun, etc. But is there no positive case for atheism? 4. It seems atheism must prove a universal negative which is a very high bar to scale! Agnosticism seems more reasonable than atheism for the intellectually honest. 5. William Lane Craig makes a reasonable case for theism.
@@pattube The human brain (educated or not) is very susceptible to pareidolia, apophenia, hallucinations, superstitions and gullibility; That's why religion has managed to fool so many people.
"What evidence do we have for God's existence?" none whatsoever. Shall we make something up or have you already done that? Who needs to believe in gods? gullible frightened people.
Sure bro, It takes really Brave people to march to hell... The most powerful evidence for God are direct and indirect signs of the divine. As per: "[John 14:16]; And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate, who will never leave you" ; we have a continuous flow of the signs and fulfillment of the promise. It started with the first apostles : John 14:16 Matthew 10:7-15 John 4:48 Acts 5:12-16 Acts 8:5-8 John 14:21 and last till today: #1 Apparitions of the Virgin Mary : eg. Our Lady of Guadalupe , Fatima etc. #2 Eucharistic Miracles " eg. Sokolka (Poland) etc #3 Healing miracles: examples fr. Pio, br. Andre (from Montreal) #4 Exorcisms : Look Up fr. Amorth, Fr. Gary Thomas, Fr. Vince Lampert #5 Stigmata ; eg. fr.Pio , Teresa Neuman, currently : Ghiselle from Trevignano Romano #6 Just awesome Nature miracles : eg. The Basilica of Our Lady of Good Health in Velankanni, India during Tsunami 2004 And the rest is just a side show speculation and philosophical entertainment, where one may loose himself completely and forget about the reality check.
@@iam604 You are so right. For example: the St-Joseph oratory in Montreal is really not there ... The 250k HEALING miracles recorded in the archives , thousands of them witnessed by the medical professionals are just stories for babies ... and so on , so on. Take another pill my friend .. or start to seriously looking at the commonly available evidence, the kind of evidence that is acceptable by any court of justice.
@@Matt6X I know I’m right and your failed deflection to believed healing miracles has NOTHING to do WITH THE STORY BOOK! I’m still waiting for a theist to win the NOBEL PEACE PRIZE for finally proving a god exists…oh wait a minute…according to you there is evidence? Where are the medical journals of these believed 250k healing miracles located at as well as who are those alleged “medical professionals” you speak of? Simply saying something does make it true little Timmy and grown ups require actual evidence of a claim while children will simply believe older people like you do.
@@ianwatson194 The way Craig "wins" debates is the same Trump wins debates: Lying, interrupting, ignoring counterarguments.The man is totally thick and the worst philosopher I ever listened to. Just watch his debate with Sean Carroll.
@JoaoHenrique-yo1lo I know enough to tell a man, whose argumentation is based on wishful thinking, from a meaningful debater. If you fall for WLC, you can´t tell the difference.
There's archeological evidence to support Christianity from ancient discoveries to biblical events being confirmed. Also he's an incredibly intelligent man. His IQ is 159! That's one hundred times your IQ!
Dr Craig--someone who has no real academic connection to science, treats theology as science when it is actually mythology and has been trying to manufacture evidence for God ever since becoming an apologist. It that’s his job-mesmerizing Christians into believing in a magic genie and to stop asking questions.
I'd say this is just evidence of the larger issues with metaphysics and the temptation to logically "prove" things in a mental a universe of one's own creation. Personally, I think it's interesting and useful to dig into metaphysical questions (e.g. "what is truth?") but it seems to me that the wheels come off when someone like Craig tries to reason the Christian god into existence.
@@shassett79 Yes exactly-he is a minimalist on evidence and likes to mesmerize people with magical dissertations because he knows that should work well with most Christians since they take the lazy way out and do not care to learn about the realities in the world.
@@shassett79 science can tell us "how" the universe operates and with scientific knowledge we have further better our lives, divers inventions are here as evidence of these facts. To think that this is all the human society needs is a very shallow way of reasoning, science can answer the "how" question but can't answer "why" the universe is, the quest for meaning is our truest need, I applaud science but I believe religion with strong emphasis on Christianity is the closest to giving us Meaning. Yess, I came by random events and evolution brought me to this point of my existence, but why are my here in the first place, what do I live for. If I am living to die with no purpose why don't I then live the way I so please, what is the moral restrain holding me from raping a 5 year old. The Bible answers the question of meaning, this is humanity's greatest need.
@danielajah5262 It's fine if you personally need to know "the meaning of life," or whatever, and I'll grant that science can't provide it for you. That said, it always sends a shiver down my spine when a theist proposes that they might just as well be raping and murdering people if not for whichever meaning or moral authority they've found in religion...
@@shassett79 oh not in any way, we all know that man is inherently deprived, if not we won't be hearing of street shootings every now and then, my point here is this, we can not have a standard for morality if there is no universal moral law giver that is consistent in every part of the world. If we live the issue of morality to be relative saying do what makes you happy, what if killing makes me happy. The issue of ethics and morality can not be relative, now I have heard of an era in a particular African state where twins were considered demonic and so killed, this practice was widely accepted by the community as morally justified, but is this so for every other community? Ethics and morality will always draw us back for a universal law giver. He is the restrain not because I'm saying this, but because it is an obvious fact.
"I don't have a problem with ignorance. We are all ignorant about a variety of subjects we are not currently aware of. The real problem is when that ignorance is wilful, intentional and used as a weapon against anyone who disagrees with you, or anyone who has the nerve to present facts you don't want to accept." - anyone who actually cares about verifiable reality
Talk is cheap. There are plenty of arguments for gods but absolutely no evidence, someone told you there was a god and you took their word for it, it's why all religions are called 'faiths', the more gullible you are the more you are convinced there is a god.
Dr. Craig and all True Christians have absolute proof. It is only those who put their complete trust and confidence in what God says in His Word, the Bible, who have this assurance. So unless you have this confidence, you cannot have proof.
@@robertrlkatz6890 So you have absolute proof? then you will never again need to say you take it on 'faith'. My heart goes out to you Robert, it really does.
This is classic Craig (the dinosaur liar) recycling the same lies he's used for decades & which he knows are false & unsustainable. Before addressing, let's end the god of Abraham (GOA) myth (you don't have to accept it, that's irrelevant it's just fact): The entire basis & reason for belief in the GOA is that it is going to provide you with eternal life after death in heaven. To be able to justify that claim, believers have to prove the GOA isn't, in even the most minuscule way, evil. If it is, it can't be claimed it is not a liar and you cannot trust its promises of heaven unless you're an idiot (that simple). As a side note: Understand, as it relates to humans and promises to humans, this must be mans definition of evil not some, non applicable, nebulous fantasy created by such as Craig in an attempt to obfuscate the GOA's way out of blame. There is evil so believers have to prove it doesn't come from the GOA or the GOA is innocent of it to satisfy the above. Evil comes from the GOA & the GOA is evil, that can be proven many ways (just ask) but the most obvious is believers must accept to dismiss this is the bible dictates there must be the existence of evil and via some scenario, man (innocent and without sin) is given free will to choose good or evil, defies god & is punished by god. That fundamental requirement of the GOA cannot be met. Simply put, in any scenario as above, god must create evil and therefore temptation & suffering. We have a law called: "entrapment". The principle of that is simple: If you wilfully tempt someone to commit a crime & they do, they are not guilty by virtue of your wilfull act of creating the temptation. Do you accept that to be justfiable or does man just have a higher moral standard than the GOA? As soon as god created evil to tempt man he branded himself as evil & denied itself of a right to punish. Now as believers in the GOA, you are going to say: "Well god gave man "free will"." Let me highlight to you where that obfuscation doesn't save the GOA from being evil: Simply this, if there is no evil "free will" to choose good or evil doesn't exist. So, once again, the GOA didn't "give man free will", the GOA created "free will" via an act of evil &, once again, god is self proclaimed evil without a right to punish. A last note: The GOA precludes itself from teaching about evil it therefore also precludes itself from warning about evil & the simple observation of the GOA offering a "free will" choice of good or evil without explanation or warning what they are is, again clearly & undeniably, evil. Why? Because the person choosing has no basis on which to make the choice because the GOA has denied them that ability. (Note: "Die" is a punishment for evil & therefore must be evil itself. As the GOA cannot offer any advice on evil, it cannot explain die, punishment, temptation, lies, deception and etc.......... Figure it out what that means.) Let's summarise: By creating evil to entrap man into choosing evil, the GOA removed any justifiable right it could possibly claim for punishing man. There is no escape clause for god. AND BY YOUR OWN DEFINITION AND SCRIPTURES, THE GOA IS FALSE BECAUSE IT IS EVIL AND THEREFORE CAN'T EXIST. (Now start inventing unsustainable lies.) This is a mere sample of an overwhelming multiplicity of proof the GOA is fake (but you only need one). 1. KALAM's Cosmological Argument (causality = everything must have a cause & god is the uncaused cause. [obviously Dumb I know]) As Craig has acknowledged on his own site (over a decade ago) the natural occurrence of a universe occurs at a quantum (sub-atomic) level & the study of quantum mechanics has revealed, beyond dispute, sub-atomic particles do not follow the laws of the universe which includes causality. Sure Craig did his usual and tried to obfuscate his way out of it by attempting to display an understanding of the subject (at a level obviously far beyond his reach) by picking through books of famous scientists & selecting the bits he liked & ignoring refutations in the same book by the same author. But he failed miserably. In short, the study of quantum mechanics has thoroughly and totally destroyed the Kalam's concept & relegated it to obscurity. 2. It is observed the total of +ve and -ve energy in the universe = 0. Energy has no mass & can exist outside spacetime. Quantum mechanics has proved mass comes into & out of existence constantly without a cause on a sub-atomic level. Once again Craig has tried to argue, with his negligible understanding of quantum mechanics, that doesn't happen & is false. Thanks for the laughs Craig but stick to theology & stop trying to equate quantum mechanics with your bank book. A universe from nothing is possible, you were wrong, get a life & move on. 3. "God is a mathematician". Everyone should have been laughing at this stupid Craig error (stay away from guns & sharp objects). First let's note: Whether a god exists or not mathematics would take the exact same form as it does, be used in the same manner & by the same people. Fact. Now, the laughter: Over a thousand years before the GOA was invented, the Egyptians had the numerical concept of nothing. But Ha, ha, ha, it was an Indian Hindu who invented "0" and without "0" mathematics of today would not exist, period. So what have we learned? Undeniably, if "god is a mathematician" that god is clearly the Hindu god Shiva. Feel free to point out any historically sustainable error in that observation. (Not good for Craig's credibility, proving Shiva!) 4. "The fine tuning of the universe" argument. Again Craig knows this has been defeated more times than he can count including on his own site. It's dead, redundant. Here's why: a. The most obvious is simply this: A god by definition would be omnipotent. It wouldn't use "fine tuning" as it has no need for it: "Moon orbit the earth, earth orbit the sun, sun orbit the galaxy." The end. Universal & life complexity is one of the the strongest indicators there's no god. b. Scientists have realised in recent years that we cannot claim a carbon based universe is the only universe possible, in fact there could be hundreds of different universes possible e.g. silicone based. Bye, bye "fine tuning". c. Quantum mechanics & "a universe from nothing". What happens if there's a "Big Bang" and it fails to create a stable universe? Energy can neither be created or destroyed. So what happens? Another "Big Bang". And if that fails?..... Another "Big Bang". Get the gist? A stable natural universe is not merely not impossible, it is inevitable (especially where time is not a factor)..... No god required. Bye, bye "fine tuning".
Entrapment law? If you properly studied the Bible you would’nt be saying that. Don’t you think its just right to not comment so negatively on something you haven’t properly studied? Fun fact: Do you know that the Bible has all of its prophecies fulfilled down to the letter? Including the drying of Euphrates river. It has 2500 of them, less than 500 are remaining that are still adressed for the future. I hope you wouldn’t be hardened enough to say “it was written in the bible so they made it happen”.
You mentioned that God created evil and gave us no way out. Assuming that God did create evil, how do you explain that the gospel story is not the way out?
@@astrawboiii1853 First of all you don't have a clue what I've studied (How many paragraphs is the first sin story again? There's nothing to study). You believe entrapment law wouldn't apply to the Adam and Eve first sin scenario? I'd like to see you prove it. (Hint you can study the bible until you die and you still won't come close to proving it because it is the only logical conclusion you can draw from Genesis). Did you know theists have bee trying to sell the prophecy concept for decades and have constantly failed due to the nebulous nature of their interpretation of the prophesies against the facts of the events. I am yet to have one prophecy actually proved. If you were intelligent enough you would realise that you can observe your surroundings and politics and make prophecies yourself that are likely to come true, but they're not actual prophecies, just a guess. You need to keep comments like that for theists who will believe you. Did you know many prophecies in the bible were written after the event e.g. the fall of the walls of Jericho?
@@norbertjendruschj9121 he knows plenty. Atheists generally encounter him singularly on Kalam, but he does other things. This is just his most visible work/grift
@@philswaim392 I once saw Craig in a discussion with Sean Carroll. Craig is good at looking knowlegdeable but if you scratch the surface, there isen´t so much real understanding.
And you will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. -Jeremiah 29:13 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. - John 3:16 Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out. -Acts 3:19 If are in North America, please go check out any of the churches available to you: PCA, OPC, Rpcna/Rpc, Urcna, or a canrc church (These are conservative and actual Presbyterian churches) If you can’t find one of the conservative presby churches then, maybe a Lcms or Wels Lutheran church. If you are Scottish, I recommend the Free Church of Scotland and the APC. (Different from the Church of Scotland) If you are English I recommend the Free Church of England. (Different from the Church of England) Online you can look up church finders for each of the groups and it will show you locations .
And you will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. - Jeremiah 29:13 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. - John 3:16 Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out. -Acts 3:19 If are in North America, please go check out any of the churches available to you: PCA, OPC, Rpcna/Rpc, Urcna, or a canrc church (These are conservative and actual Presbyterian churches) If you can’t find one of the conservative presby churches then, maybe a Lcms or Wels Lutheran church. If you are Scottish, I recommend the Free Church of Scotland and the APC. (Different from the Church of Scotland) If you are English I recommend the Free Church of England (Different from the Church of England) Online you can look up church finders for each of the groups and it will show you locations .
New research confirms that there is a negative relationship between religiosity and intelligence. The findings have been published in the scientific journal Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin. (6-8% lower than non believers the research is the combined findings of 83 studies) “Religiosity is a pervasive phenomenon. Its influence can be felt in all spheres of life. However, a sizeable portion of the population defines itself as atheist. Why do some people decide not to be religious? I thought it was an important and fascinating question,” said study author Miron Zuckerman of the University of Rochester.
@@stephenconnolly3018That’s rich! In this world, some people happen to believe there’s a higher power, and I just so happen to be one of them. If you don’t like it, turn the other cheek. I’m not forcing you to glorify my God, just like how nobody is forcing me to glorify theirs, or in your case, not glorifying your lack of one. Grow a backbone, and/or go to some atheist channel where the content/comments don’t offend you.
Yes, Craig is such a great gift, doing great work. He’s been gifted with a great mind, and is using it in great ways to serve humanity. Those who don’t agree are free to disagree and move on. I think it’s their loss.
Sure, as always... 😂 "When I first heard the message of the Gospel as a non-Christian high school student, that my sins could be forgiven by God, that God *loved me, he loved Bill Craig,* and that I could come to know him and experience *eternal life* with God, I thought to myself (and I'm not kidding) I thought if there is just one chance in a million that this is true it's worth believing. So my attitude toward this is just the opposite of Kyle's. *Far from raising the bar or the epistemic standard that Christianity must meet to be believed, I lower it."* - William Lane Craig
@@steved5960 I listened to his response and the subsequent nuancing of that response and the conversation about his nuanced response, and Kyle and him talking, and Kyle talking to others, and Kyle's opinion about his response, etc. So how sure are you now? It's a good time to remember that what really got William Lane Craig into Christianity was the beautiful smile of a Christian girl at his school, "Sandy". That and no other is the real reason. A teenager's existential angst and psychological need to be loved did the rest... The rest, the theological arguments and the attempt to give a scientific tone to his diatribes, are merely rationalizations with which he has been doubling down ever since. So let me quote his own words one more time, I know you like them, and he could not have been clearer. "When I first heard the message of the Gospel as a non-Christian high school student, that my sins could be forgiven by God, that God *loved me, he loved Bill Craig,* and that I could come to know him and experience *eternal life* with God, I thought to myself (and I'm not kidding) I thought if there is just one chance in a million that this is true it's worth believing. So my attitude toward this is just the opposite of Kyle's. *Far from raising the bar or the epistemic standard that Christianity must meet to be believed, I lower it."* - William Lane Craig I recommend you a video recap of Low Bar Bill's confession called: "Christian Philosopher Fails to Fix the Internet he Broke! (William Lane Craig response)"
@@vejeke of course, even granting everything you said, not a single sentence in your comments even attempts to *engage* the arguments. If you feel it unnecessary, then there’s no point in anyone engaging you any further.
@@TheProdigalMeowMeowMeowReturns I understand that you don't like what I say and you want me to shut up, but it's not in your power. The point I'm making is for me to decide, not you. None of the other comments in this thread engaged with Craig's straw man, not even your irrelevant tantrum did. So if you don't mind, I'm going to keep quoting Craig's own words while you decide to ignore what I say, change the subject and pretend there's no point in engaging me any further. "When I first heard the message of the Gospel as a non-Christian high school student, that my sins could be forgiven by God, that God *loved me, he loved Bill Craig,* and that I could come to know him and experience *eternal life* with God, I thought to myself (and I'm not kidding) I thought if there is just one chance in a million that this is true it's worth believing. So my attitude toward this is just the opposite of Kyle's. *Far from raising the bar or the epistemic standard that Christianity must meet to be believed, I lower it."* - William Lane Craig A.K.A. Low Bar Bill.
1. Infinite Regress Problem: If you trace back the cause of everything that exists, you eventually reach a point where you need a first cause or an origin. This is because an infinite chain of causes without a starting point is difficult to conceptualize logically. 2. First Cause Necessity: To avoid an infinite regress, there must be an initial cause or a creator that set everything into motion. This cause is often identified as God. 3. Conditions for Existence: Even if one posits that our universe was created by a highly intelligent being, a quantum state, or some other entity, the question remains: what created the conditions for that being or state to exist? This line of questioning ultimately leads to a need for a fundamental origin. 4. Simulation Hypothesis: If the universe is a simulation, then the simulation must have been created by some entity. The existence of such an entity would still require an explanation, which leads back to the need for a first cause. 5. Endless Causation: Even if something else caused our universe, such as a quantum state or another dimension, something must have caused that initial cause as well. This continuous need for a cause suggests that there must be an ultimate, uncaused cause to stop the infinite regress. In summary: If you trace the cause of everything back far enough, you eventually need a first cause or origin to avoid an infinite regress. This necessity for a first cause suggests that belief in an ultimate creator, often conceptualized as God, is rational, as it provides a logical endpoint to the chain of causation.
1)we dont know if the universe is infinite or had a start, 2)if you trace back the cause of everything that exists we dont know where we end up cause we dont know what happened in the beginning. We can follow a rough chain of evolution for most living things but at some point we just dont know. Saying because we know that everything had a beggining or a cause in the time we know,means that everything also had an origin/cause/beggining is not correct 3)if one says any of these things, they are just a hypothesis, theres no evidence for them right now. The answer here is i dont know. It is wrong to say : who created these conditions?we dont know. therefore god. Anytime you say i dont know, you remain with that answer 4)Simulation hypothesis is fun to think about but also no evidence for it 5)Even if something else caused our universe , which we dont know if it did, you eventually need a first cause , which we also dont know. See how many times all these questions include we dont know. In summary, i disagree with the premise that everything needs a first cause, we know that for a certain time in human history we can trace SOME things that have a cause, but we just dont know when we go far enough back in time. There is no necessity to believe in a first cause because theres no evidence there was one if that cause needed smth intelligent or not. Therefore, the most logical position here is i dont know.
As you seem to think you have proven god, can you please be a bit more precise and share with us the knowledge which of the countless gods is the true one and who you derive at your conclusion.
Using Philo of Alexandria and Plato to attempt to reinforce your theological position appears hopeful at best! These are arguments the pre-existed before our current scientific and cosmological understanding and have no grounding in evidence. Adding a supernatural element to an argument that works perfectly well without it's addition is just wishful thinking.
I’ve never understood the suffering bit. To put it simply, first of all human suffering is not a moral evil, and your distaste of it does not indicate anything significant besides that suffering is suffering. I fail to see why a man should not suffer. I’m rather reluctant to desire a heaven that would include no suffering. Not for the ups and downs but simply because I think human life is incomplete without suffering. And the degree of suffering must be beyond all imaginable reason. Why? Else it would not be real suffering. If you could really say to yourself “Thus suffering is reasonable and serves a purpose” you wouldn’t really be suffering in the true sense. You’d have purpose to console you. You’d be missing out on that perfect suffering without any conceivable purpose, that pinnacle of suffering which is so necessary to bring out the best qualities in man. That is to say, unless suffering can and frequently does exceed what is necessary to any conceivable purpose, it cannot serve any purpose. The purpose of suffering requires that it seem arbitrary and excessive
Well I believe heaven is so great we can’t even comprehend it. It’s more real than our realm. Dopamine and reward sensors do not exist in heaven so why would there be a need for suffering?
I’m not sure where your moral assumptions are being derived? How is human suffering not evil? If that is the case you would be arguing there is no good and evil?
Thank you Dr. Craig for your well reasoned and respectful presentation arguing for the Uncreated Creator as the cause…the origin of the manifest universe.
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:01 🎙️ Introduction to event and speaker Dr. William Lane Craig. 02:21 📚 Dr. Craig's background and purpose of the lecture. 03:15 🕒 Limited time for evidence of God's existence; aim is to spark conversation. 06:13 🌌 Presentation of three arguments with scientific support for theological implications. 10:49 🌠 Kalam Cosmological Argument: Universe's beginning supported by scientific and theoretical evidence. 20:09 📐 Mathematics' remarkable applicability in describing natural phenomena. 26:14 🧙♂️ Theistic explanation for mathematics' effectiveness in explaining the physical world. 34:34 📜 Theistic anti-realists explain mathematics' applicability to the physical world as God's mental model. 38:14 🎯 Fine-tuning of fundamental constants for life's existence challenges natural explanations. 41:23 🎲 Physical necessity and chance are implausible explanations for fine-tuning. 43:10 🔍 Observer self-selection and Boltzmann brain problem challenge the multiverse explanation. 46:50 🌟 Science provides evidence for theological conclusions; dialogue between science and theology is thriving. 48:08 ⛪️ Miracles, like Jesus' resurrection, can be reconciled with scientific understanding. 52:16 🤔 The problem of human suffering involves both intellectual and emotional challenges. 56:38 🌄 Doubt and uncertainty coexist with faith; faith involves trust based on good reasons.
Much as I love Dr. Craig, and think many of his arguments are great, I don't get the argument from mathematics at all. It seems related to arguments from laws of nature (which I think are very good) and fine-tuning arguments (also good). But, this particular argument just seems incoherent to me.
Why would we not expect the logic of quantity and pattern to apply to quantitative and patterned things, like the things of the cosmos? It's literally impossible for math not to apply because math can describe anything. Why should we be surprised to find a mathematical universe? As opposed to what? We cannot create models or theories beyond what we can understand, obviously. It's just a god of the gaps from personal incredulity, like most theistic arguments.
What evidence do we have for God's existence: The resurrection of Yeshua Nazarene, the gift of his Spirit and new life thereby, the energy of the apostles and the spread of the church against the might of Rome.
Even the best evidence and arguments will never constitute or rise to a standard of proof of Gods existence. It's not supposed to. Faith is crucial to Gods plan here. To not know to a degree of certainty that God exists, and yet still act in goodness, even when its detrimental to your self, is the only way to procure authentic devotees in a kingdom everlasting. Purposed as the answer to the fall of mankind as a workaround the problem of evil in sentience and duality in creation.
William lane craig should not be debating ANYONE!! He is WRONG on his beliefs. He follows mans ideas not Gods. People wounder why God isnt in our class rooms today..... well all his titles and ideas got God kicked out of school......
Very disappointing to see WLC wasting the valuable time of these scientists with his theological blither. He’s not an authentic philosopher who humbly follows reason wherever it leads, but rather a lawyer pleading a case. Elsewhere, he claims that reason must stand in a “ministerial” (subservient) relation to faith’s “magisterial” (dominant) role: he already “knows” god exists by the “inner witness of the Holy Spirit”, and thus merely seeks to “show” this by the gathering of evidence and argument. Bias much? Now that Craig has been allowed to speak, equal time should be given to distinguished crystal healers, astrologers and Wiccans.
Why? That's my question. Why do you need to explain? Why do you need to prove, convince, influence? Why do you need to defend anything? Since when faith requires defense? To what means? I'm repeating my faith theorem: More you convinced God is good and merciful less wether you believe in Him matters. With assumption that there is no person on this planet to demonstrate God's active involvement in human lives. As if there would be one would be morally highly questionable. That leads to explanation of my original question: why? The question of wether God exists is completely irrelevant to individual human life.
Why don't you ask"we"? The next time "we" has an headache. The trouble with Lennox is is that he keeps tripping over his own intellectual shoelaces; he confuses himself with his own words, h's a nuddlehead an emoter dressed as a thinker.
Anyone who bases their argument on faith is irrational. William Lane Craig is irrational. He is an excellent talker, but he uses his skill at talking to confuse and confound his listeners. I would be very happy to change my mind, if there was any evidence that proved a god exists, but alas there is nothing. There is no god, for any religion. All religions are irrational.
Any scientific cosmology theory is limited by what a scientific theory has to be. It has to exist with a givien theoretical form. This form thus implies that the theory is condemned to posit this form as the beginning of the Universe. So the idea of a beginning is inherently in the concept of a theory of cosmology. It is not a special feathure of a particular theory, nor an empirical discovery but an a priori or scientific cosmology. The only way to make eliminate this limit is to dissolve any hard limit in the past and to have a smooth path of creation from almost nothing to our our current best theory of cosmology. Then God would be manifested not in a brutal creation edge but would be in from the beginning and would remain within in the same way it has been all along.
Science cannot interract with theology in a strick sense although it informs the theologian and theology may inform the scientist but formally science is completly separated from theology since it is exclusively restricted to strictly define concepts and its empirically method to support concept. This prevent science at a formal level to venture out of its strict bonds. Science emerged from philosophy and theology and cosmogony in the first place but by systematically stripping away whatever cannot be formally fully deined and which can be empirically tested. This started with the pre-socratic philosophers. Modern cosmology refers as Big Bang theory has a number of common feathures with theological narrative of creation. It has no God but has a beginning and an assumed intial conditions. This limit of Cosmology necessarily beg to the question of the creation of this Beginning opening the door for theology: one stop where the other starts. The limit of science is ''creating''', there cannot be ''creating'' in a formal framework such as Science. Creating , the main attribute of God in all theologies, is necessary in the far past since we cannot end up with a nothing from which nothing can arise and creating is also necessary at the core of any life which cannot be stable biological machine since it would condemn them to die as soon as it encountered circumstances that are never been encoutered, a core self-creation has to be at the core of any life, theology call this the soul, science cannot go there being limited to what has been created. We may identify soul, core self-creation in life and consciousness synonymous and thus strictly beyond any limit of formalisation and science.
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New research confirms that there is a negative relationship between religiosity and intelligence. The findings have been published in the scientific journal Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin. (6-8% lower than non believers the research is the combined findings of 83 studies) “Religiosity is a pervasive phenomenon. Its influence can be felt in all spheres of life. However, a sizeable portion of the population defines itself as atheist. Why do some people decide not to be religious? I thought it was an important and fascinating question,” said study author Miron Zuckerman of the University of Rochester.
Wasn't his answer basically 'oh, it's all part of God's grand design and because of butterfly effect you can't actually calculate the moral worth of suffering today because of downstream effects, in fact you can't judge God at all, so all my opponents haven't thought this through or are emotional and I win 😎' These are the same people who mock atheists for having standards on whether the resurrection happened 😂
Rubbish mis quoting out mode philosopher is far from a well thought out coherent argument. There was only rhetoric and stale dogma, it may work on the sheep. Grow up your child like believes should have died along with other myths like father Christmas or do you still believe in him?.
For me it was him presenting 'one in a million chance' as a rational standard for believing, from the same guy that loves presenting probabilistic arguments for god.
@@Julian0101you missed it!! With such great probability of everything lining up almost perfect, the perfect distance from the sun, the tides from the moon creating life sustaining waves in the ocean, the sun at the right distance and providing nutrients for life on earth, instructions in dna, suggest a brilliant mind behind the creation of
@@christ_is_coming_back9118 See, the fact that all those things keep shifting, and thus are not perfect, is evidence your mind thing was not involved at all. Good on you for figuring out why that argument fails so bad.
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the claim of jesus as an historical figure is evidence, what you mean to say is there is no objective proof of god to which I say there is a paper trail leading to the fact that god is more likely to have caused the universe than no god and that it arrived out of nothingness. To whether this god is the judeo christian god yahweh is a different issue but if god ever did reveal himself to humanity you would be hard pressed to find evidence that beats the recordings of jesus life death and teachings.
See, to me, the fact that there is something instead of nothing is evidence. The existence of your conscious mind is evidence of a conscious creator. The objective beauty we find in nature as conscious beings is evidence. The laws of nature imply a law giver, and to me are a form of evidence. Our ability to do science and unlock the coding of the universe to me is a form of evidence. An all powerful creator does not make this universe less boring, it just makes it more hopeful.
Wow, looks like when it comes to God the average question of the most brilliant scientists in the world is akin to that of a first-year philosophy student. Just saying, the questions were pretty basic.
One observation about the bible quotation Prof. Craig mentioned at the end: it was a woman asking to cure her daughter¹ and Jesus replies "you have great faith!". Matthew 15:21-28 New International Version The Faith of a Canaanite Woman 21 Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon. 22 A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.” 23 Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.” 24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.” 25 The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said. 26 He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.” 27 “Yes it is, Lord,” she said. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.” 28 Then Jesus said to her, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed at that moment. (1) Until just now I used to misquote the passage: I used to say son intead of daughter.
why does the bible have to cater to your exact wants of what it should be? is your argument seriously "it's not what i want it to be therefore it's wrong!" ?
34:00. "Why would a universe ot the universe have consistencies/laws/tendencies." And given the evolution theory leading to brains. Scarce as high intelligensen is in the universe (no fine tuning). Why could we not develop mathematical language? There is false math and correct math. The relation argument is right. Although realism and theism might be richer in provning mental well being.
Very interesting lecture! My thanks to the Lawrence Livermore Laboratory people who organized the event! I think that the argument about math and natural laws to be somewhat inverted and misplaced - it should actually be in the first point on theology creating a mental framework that supports the development of science. The Christian God is Platonic - ideal and good. It was this platonic characterist that led early scientists to look for the simpler and most elegant mathematical description: Galileo, I'm sure, did not find the square law of falling bodies from his experiments - he found that results were around the power of 2 but since Nature was created by God, then it could only be the power of 2. The platonic framework and the works of Saint Augustine and Thomas Aquinas. Augustine wrote that God composed two books being one written by his own hands and the other by men He inspired. Since the second had been written by humans, in case of conflict the first one should be considered as the correct one. The first is Nature and the second is the Bible. Thomas Aquinas wrote around the 14th or 15th century about the limits of God's power: 1) God can't create a copy of Himself; 2)God can't sin; and 3) God can't make a [eucledian] triangle with the sum of the internal angles different thatn 180 degrees. In my opinion the invertion comes out of the fact that math came first and was very successful early on - that resulted in the predilection of science for Laws of Nature that could be elegantly described by mathematics. That predilection created a view that's widely held nowadays - that all we need to predict the future is a sufficient large and precise set on inputs while the fact is even a simple double pendulum (depending on the state space it's moving through) is impossible to predict. Early scientists did not have computers and the calculations necessary to even see the double pendulum problem were unfeasible and that led them to ignore the problems that could not be easily tackled through mathematics. Nowadays, given the successes of the sicence and techology partnership, that mindset - simple mechanicism and the unlimited power of mathematics - has become widely accepted as a universal truth. The problem is that that mindset is wrong - and people can't wrapt their minds around the complexity and seriousness of problems like climate change.
The fundamental building block of the universe is an essence. The essence is what we see. An essence isnt bound by logic. Its existence and anti existence essences. Creating random particles and life forms from a logical rule (physical limitations and prohibitations) but not what comes into the vacuume but by chance. This universe might be god but that is far fetched.
31:39 Plato was not referring to the christian god. Please read Plato instead of using him to incorrectly using prove the existence of "YOUR" god. Muslims could use the very same argument in defence of Allah as the true God
The boundary that all space time rewinds back to is an x, y axis,, the matrix of the physical world, the Cross. The zero point extends out in all directions; God divides himself into everything, transferring energy outward. Bless it!!
New research confirms that there is a negative relationship between religiosity and intelligence. The findings have been published in the scientific journal Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin. (6-8% lower than non believers the research is the combined findings of 83 studies) “Religiosity is a pervasive phenomenon. Its influence can be felt in all spheres of life. However, a sizeable portion of the population defines itself as atheist. Why do some people decide not to be religious? I thought it was an important and fascinating question,” said study author Miron Zuckerman of the University of Rochester.
@@stephenconnolly3018 ok if you're so smart then explain how a man came back from the dead and pushed a bolder out of the way, which was recorded weeks after the event. How do you bring other people back to life. Boy atheists are so smart, for example the French revolution, the Russian revolution, Spanish Republicans, hitler.
@@stephenconnolly3018 'Intelligence' doesn't equate to spiritual insight and wisdom, however...Nice try though...The Gospel of Christ is open to rich or poor, old or young, educated or undereducated...If people choose to reject it because they think they're too 'intelligent'/'educated', that is up to them...
Scientific (cognitive) God, which is proven and testable. 2024. május 16. - IGe Nowadays, there is also a so-called Scientific (cognitive) God. Yes to the many gods created and invented by humans ( Aten, Horus, Mithras, Dionysus, Attis, Krishna, Vishnu, Baal, Thor, Wotan, Borvo, Yahweh, Kukulkán, Marduk, Allah, Re, Zeus, Shiva, Dyḗus, Ahura Mazda, Zurvan, Manitou the Great. ... ) beyond and beside. Of course, this is not a mythological creature, nor is it some natural formation (Sun, trees, springs, animals, stones) for which a personified meaning is invented. Rather, it covers neurological and psychological processes. However, this "God" is proven and can be tested. This also raises the question of the meaninglessness of atheism. ...
" However, this "God" is proven and can be tested." And why then nobody knows about the proof and the observed evidence? A rhetoric question, everyone outside the religious bubble knows your proof is nothing bau wishful thinking.
@@norbertjendruschj9121 More and more people know about it. Which is not enough for you. Reason: Because I have only published in Hungarian. However, many successful tests have taken place here. The English edition is coming soon.
@@norbertjendruschj9121 There is a short summary in English in my digital net diary. I wouldn't post a link, but Google already knows it if you search for it like this: "Scientific (cognitive) God, which is proven and testable."
Many kudos to DOE. I worked for the DOJ for 25 years before retiring. While they allowed Muslim and other scholars to speak to employees, usually under the auspices of heritage months, we never heard from Christian scholars. Most of the speakers were great, so I am not disparaging them. DOJ would never support posting the speaker regardless of background. I am doubtful they would allow employee groups to host something like this at all. This was awesome, and I am grateful the DOE and Lawrence Livermore encourages this type of productive discussion, especially as we continue to consider the essence of the Big Bang, the problems with Neo Darwinism, and the shutdown of these discussions in most of the academy. BRAVO!
"Think critically" 😂 "The way in which I know Christianity is true is first and foremost on the basis of the witness of the Holy Spirit in my heart and that this gives me a self authenticating means of knowing that Christianity is true wholly apart from the evidence and therefore if in some historically contingent circumstances the evidence that I have available to me should turn against Christianity I don't think that that controverts the witness of the Holy Spirit." - William Lane Craig
@@vejeke Self authentic witness is also based on some kind of experience and if one experience something then this is rationally acceptable. Because God doesn't need to give empirical evidences that can only be known in some kind of laboratory but he can give signs inside a person. So I find nothing wrong with what wlc said. It is still rationally acceptable.
@@munafghori4052 Of course, there is nothing wrong with putting confirmation bias and self-deception before evidence. That's why Muhammad was fully justified in believing that he actually spoke to angel in a cave. It's a good time to remember that what really got William Lane Craig into Christianity was the beautiful smile of a Christian girl at his school, "Sandy". That and no other is the real reason. A teenager's existential angst and psychological need to be loved did the rest. "When I first heard the message of the Gospel as a non-Christian high school student, that my sins could be forgiven by God, that God *loved me, he loved Bill Craig,* and that I could come to know him and experience *eternal life* with God, I thought to myself (and I'm not kidding) I thought if there is just one chance in a million that this is true it's worth believing. So my attitude toward this is just the opposite of Kyle's. *Far from raising the bar or the epistemic standard that Christianity must meet to be believed, I lower it."* - William Lane Craig The rest, the theological arguments and the attempt to give a scientific tone to his diatribes, are merely rationalizations with which he has been doubling down ever since.
@@vejeke If you want to call a persons experiences as confirmation bias then I cannot argue more because you made up your mind. For you to believe need a witness of holy feelings and if I show you a way then I don't know whether you would do it or not but you will not believe until you experience it. For if I show you evidences then ofcourse you would verify it but I don't know whether you are open to spiritual feelings. But as a Muslim I can only tell you that do two things. one is seek forgiveness from God 100 times daily in morning and evenings. And second pray to God for guidance. Hope he will help you and give you better evidences. Second you say Dr Craig gave theological claim with scientific evidences. I think he didnt do any thing wrong in that. If you had scientific evidence for non existence of God then you will provide it. There is nothing wrong to give scientific evidences for philosophical arguments. Actually those arguments are not theological. They are philosophical. None of the conclusion and premises are theological. It is in the end that dr criag tries to show that these philosophical arguments back by science leads to theological beliefs. This is what he is doing. I don't think this is wrong. But there is nothing wrong if scientific evidences exist in support of religious claims. You just blindly deny theology and religion.
New research confirms that there is a negative relationship between religiosity and intelligence. The findings have been published in the scientific journal Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin. (6-8% lower than non believers the research is the combined findings of 83 studies) “Religiosity is a pervasive phenomenon. Its influence can be felt in all spheres of life. However, a sizeable portion of the population defines itself as atheist. Why do some people decide not to be religious? I thought it was an important and fascinating question,” said study author Miron Zuckerman of the University of Rochester.
Whether you agree with him or not i think hes one of the greatest Theist debaters since there has been film recordings. Razor sharp mind and such command of language
What, in your opinion, can be considered proper evidence for the existence of God? Moreover, what leads you to consider Craig’s points as not forms of evidence?
