@@gunslingerfromwish4656 well I bought a new Winchester and then I had it re-barreled by Montana rifleman , and then I had an awesome lever action in 50-110 WCF
That take down model looks just like the one my grandfather had back in the sixties! Right down to the sight. Man was he ever proud of that weapon. I can only remember him shooting it once when I was about eight or nine years old and my ears still ring!!
Ian, if you ever get the chance. Ogden Utah has a fantastic gun museum. It's specifically dedicate to Browning and all of his designs and work. It's nestled in a train museum. But there's also a Cowboy museum and a Car Museum attached. The cars being cars that Browning's family donated. There are guns in there that I never thought I would ever see. I am sure they would love to have you visit. They don't charge much for entry, but it' worth every penny.
Im assuming that $50,000 was in 1886 dollars. If so thats incredible. $50,000 in 1886 is $1,221,683.23 after adjusting for inflation until 2016. "Financially independent" no kidding!
Not that incredible I'd say. I don't know what kind of interest you could get back then but today you could barely live of that so you are basically spending the money. Not that 1.2m isn't a lot of money but for an important patent... it feels like not a lot to me. Nowadays you could sell such a significant patent for at least a two figure before the million.
Nathan Stratton and yet based on the success of both Browning and his 1886 design I bet all of Winchester's competitors would have paid more. And not just in hindsight, a big bore .45-70 was what all of the gun companies were aiming for.
he got twenty thousand for designing the 1892 which is simply a scaled down 86 he produced a working prototype in only two weeks the rifle sold over a million
That deluxe model has pretty much the exact combination of features I want in an 1886: semi pistol grip stock, shotgun style flat butt plate, checkered furniture, full length magazine tube. Pity you have got to pay well into five figures to get a gun like this one.
Wow, 1886 was a tough year to be a Repeating Rifle Collector. Imagine if you were down on your luck, could only acquire one rifle, and someone told you that the Lebel 86, the Mannlicher 86, and the Winchester 86 were all coming to market over the next few months.
The designs of Winchester buttstocks were notorious for punishing the shoulder of the shooter. Given the muzzle energies of the larger cartridges, the narrow and highly curved designs (although the wider "shotgun" styles were available) could be bruise inducing to shoot.
Ergonomics weren't so much a "thing" then. I think there was an expectation that anyone using these weapons was the "rugged outdoorsy" type who took the recoil like a man.
Absolutely, you don't expect a .45-70 to kick that hard when the rifle is so heavy. The first time I shot it I was unpleasantly surprised and I had a bit of a bruise on my shoulder because I didn't hold the rifle properly.
I held the rifle properly the first time I fired my new 5.56 AR, clutching it to my shoulder, expecting to meet a mule instead of the fawn that the rifle length gas system provided. I’m somewhat anxious to get my actual bruises going again, and somewhat not!
It is a mod of his version of a falling block ( that became the locking block ) and a lever operating both the falling block and a sliding bolt . Clevsr in the USA . Many European falling blocks existed . Many machine guns used the design elements of these .
my dad has one of these in 45/70. a few years ago he thought it was a good idea to "restore" it with a wire wheel. and someone still offered to pay 2500 for it
Funny thing is Lever actions are more efficient for the action, the pump was only invented because the lever already had a patent. And was only continued because many people though (And are kinda right) it was more convenient to move the action with your off hand.
Browning incorporates brilliant, completely unobtrusive safety features into Winchester lever guns... A century later, goddamned lawyers convince the company to add ugly and utterly pointless Big Red Button safeties... A decade or so later, the mighty Winchester goes belly-up.
The extra safety didn't help but Winchester was a dying concern ever since they "redesigned" the gun line in 1964. I've actually had the chance to compare pre 64 rifles to "identical" newer ones and it's really kinda sad what they did to the line. They were still functional but especially the 94 lost all the smoothness of the action. My pride and joy is a @1936 Model 12 that I inherited and it still feels better than any brand new pump I'm familiar with though I did end up getting a Browning BPS, a very fine shotgun but not the same as the old Winchester, so I could use 3" shells for geese.
there is a 1911 vintage, 30-06 chambered 1895 takedown at my local gunshop i have been lusting after. beautiful rifle, wish i could spare the scratch. look at this beauty: www.grechoutdoors.com/catalog_viewer.aspx?id=336
You still don't know the whole history of the Winchester 1886. The 1886 was designed and patented by both John M. Browning and his brother, Matthew S. Browning. Matthew was also co-patenter of the 1887 (shotgun), 1892 (lever action rifle), 1893, and 1897 (pump action shotguns). Of John's 128 patents, Matthew was co-patenter of 35. He was also the "brother" and co-owner of "Browning Brothers" arms companies. I don't understand why very few people give Matthew credit for his involvement.
Because yes he may have been involved he was no where near as skilled as his brother, there are very few elements of his work in most the guns he co-designed and most of witch are miniscule in the design, they are mostly quality of life, that's why Kiddo.
@@mrfixit3666 How do you know what Matthew contributed to the designs he co-patented? And what exactly do you mean by “quality of life” referring to a patent, Buster?
well he stuck with his roots and kept of the hands on designing, rather then just sitting back and getting fat off the first few guns' money. and so we are still using all sorts of his guns and designs to this day in pretty much all types of small arms. he also pretty much gave away the BAR, because the US needed it bad (including JMB's son over in France).
SBwingman Correct!! I have a 94 Alaskan takedown in 357 mag. The way the cartridge stop is just an ear on the back of the elevator it's dependent on over all length. No 38 special for my 357 mag unless I drop them in the top one at a time. Cool though, keeps things simple for reloading. So much wasted space in the 357 mag cartridge unless you are using black or a bulky powder. 5 gr of AA9 might fill 1/4" or less of the case, topped with a 124gr bullet and it's like shooting a 22.
Among all of the various cartridges you listed, I believe you missed one that was a late arrival and not based on the 45-70 case. It was the 33 WCF, introduced in 1902 and was for smokeless powder. It was later modified to the 35 WCF for the Model 71.
A small correction is in order: The 33 WCF was modified to become the .348 Winchester. (The model 71 was the only rifle to use this round.) The .35 Winchester was introduced for the Model 95 and there never was a 35 WCF. That is what happens when you rely on memory instead of checking your reference books. Oops.
@@machintelligence That's interesting. I was just gifted my late grandfather's 86 in 33wcf, which like you I was a bit confused. I have some ammo that was given with the gun: reloaded 33wcf cartridges and reloaded 45-70 cases necked down for the 33 caliber bullets. The 45-70 cases even have the "45-70" stampings on them, and when held up to a genuine 45-70 you can clearly see that they are the same case, but one is necked down. I only just got into reloading, for 44mag, but I'm impressed that they necked that case down from 0.45~ down to 0.33~. That's a lot of material displacement imo lol. Going back to what you said about it not being from a 45-70 case; that may be true, I don't know, but you could certainly reload it as such. Thank you for the info.
1886s has been a favourite for Alaska pro hunters and guides for decades. hardloaded .45s do the trick . Roosevelts 1881 was .45-75 ,his rifle was factory refurbished 5 times at the factory due to lots of wear and weather .
I have a number old old lever action rounds ranging from the .44 rim fire ( I assume it is a Henry round since it has an H stamped in it), to the .45-75. I noticed you mentioned a 38-56. I have a round marked .38-55 W.R.A. Co. Were there both 38-55 and 38-56 Winchester rounds? I also have some .30 U.S.G. W.R.A. Co., though it is not a lever gun round I believe it was the first smokeless powder round ever use by the US government and was used in the short lived Krag rifles.
Is 71 actually a random number for the model 71? Winchester lever action rifles had been in production for about 70 years when the model 71 was brought to the market and that might be why the number was chosen.
Olá,acompanho seu canal e gostaria de deixar uma sugestão, se pudesse mostrar os cartuchos que evoluiram com essas armas seria interessante para conhecermos também..
I love all the old lever guns because I really like lever guns as I own an 1895 CB45-70. It is a Marlin manufactured by Remington in 2017. It is one of the best made lever guns with the Marlin name!! Everything functions so smoothly!! The wood to metal fitting is excellent!! Also the dark walnut forearm and buttstock are beautiful wood. Such a nice clean look!! The iron sights are all you ever need. Good out to 300 yards. I know today they are tacticalizing lever guns but in my book there is no need for such things!! I would like to buy one of the Winchester 30-30’s made in Miruko Japan. Sorry I misspelled it but that is a nice 30-30 lever gun. Very well made!! I like the curvature of the butt stock also.
I've never fired a lever-action before, wouldn't you want a larger ring for your fingers to go into just so its a little easier to use or does the fact that your fingers just sit in there make it not really matter?
The normal loops are fine as long as you don't have big gloves. I will say, with my 94, I only keep 2 fingers in the loop because recoil is a bit uncomfortable with all 3.
Great series, Ian! Thanks! Isn't Browning's 1886 design also the point at which the lever-action rifle got the magazine stop, the tab which extended to block the next round at the case head, which then made strict adherence to cartridge OAL of less importance? I think I see it at ~11:20 extending into the tube magazine passageway, then fully retracted when the action is fully in battery at ~11:40.
Geez, a thousand dollars for one of Brownings patent rights... that would´ve bought him a farm, acres of land, plus livestock! Fifty thousand... well now. Thats quite a lot.
Ian, if you ever get the opportunity to visit the infamous H&K grey room, it would be amazing if you could get your hands on a G11K2 and show disassembly and reassembly. Hell, if you could scan an original user manual and upload it to your site in PDF format, it would incredible.
Nova Airsoft also the terminator shotgun is known as a rosebox with a modified lever the trigger guard is cut out and the loop is enlarged otherwise youd break your finger flip cocking it. In fact during the filming of t2 arnie picked up the wrong shotgun, an actual 1887 without the lever mods and damn near broke every finger on his hand
I'm six years late, but it's a "Lyman tang sight." I had to look it up via Google. Basically, you pop it up vertical and it has a peephole to look through.
Ian: Where were you able to find documentation on the amount Winchester paid JMB for the 1886 patent? That’s something left out of his biography by John Browning and Curt Gentry. It only says that he was paid “more money than was in Ogden.” Love your work, keep it up!
A genius with a sixth grade education 🧐 Mr Browning has sculpted firearms as we know them. Let's take our hats off and have a moment of silence. God bless John Moses Browning!
Nice. Never heard the whole history. Did not know about the safety/disconnector device on the bolt face. That is pretty ingenious. There were a few more chamberings than i expected also. I also didn't realize that the 71in 348 Win was the same gun. For some strange reason i've always wanted one, going back a number of years. Not sure why, other than it's a fairly powerful, well designed cartridge in a strong traditional lever action, modernized somewhat. Great video as always. Thank you
When i clicked on this video accidentally and saw the one rifle i looked at my wall and thought "wait my rifle is there?" Then realised it doesnt have snakes engraved all over the gun and the skull carved into the stock *edit* plus mine is a 95 remake
Regarding Ian's comment about the supposed power of the Winchester 1886, the calibers it was available in was still fairly weak compared to British hunting calibers of its time. For example the "mighty" .50-110 was a bit weaker than the common British caliber the .450 Black Powder Express, which was usually only considered adequate for large deer and maybe lions and tigers. For elephants, rhinoes, buffaloes, etc, British hunters preferred 10, 8 or even 4-bore rifles, whose power was incomparable to anything shot out of a lever action.
I just can't believe the wood on the takedown. What condition that rifle is in. You gotta wonder if it has been done over. I mean, a 45-90 looking like new?
More like the .50 BMG. Old school 45-70 is more powerful than modern 10mm, nevermind 45-120!! The irony of .50 BMG also being a Browning invention (30+ years later) is not lost on me.
Image how much more money Browning could have made if only he had licensed instead of sold his patents and took payment in the form of royalties instead of a onetime flat fee.
a binary serial number 5:46 lol i know ian don't care but there are some robots who might be bidding on this in the future, a thing to consider when investing
