Winchester Model 1904 22 

Now that’s ingenuity!

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A true family heirloom!

What a cool barn find! Good to hear it’s shooting straight, mines a little to far gone for that.

Sweet. Hang onto that one forever!

Thanks, it’s in rough shape and is a mantle piece. It’s rust pitted inside and out, so I’m not too worried. But if it were in better shape, I’d definitely be more cautious. It’s rifling is shot as well.

Thanks for checking out the video. I had to check out the history of Lithgow And it’s quite intriguing. I can see the strong resemblance of the Model 1. I think I like the Model 1’s bolt handle and cocking knob a little better. I think I’m going to go the rabbit hole a little more and see what else I can learn about Lithgow.

@@oddballschtuff.yep your model 60 introduced in 1930 had the improved bolt and handle and the sear was slightly changed. Our no.1 was almost identical to it and the 67. It was introduced in 1945 so probably based more on the 67. The 1a and 1b have the trigger attached to the receiver instead of the stock. The Lithgow museum are doing a book which I hope will give some info on patent payments etc. I love all these old single shots and have quite a few but none as old as yours. Thanks for the vid.

That’s so cool. Nothing beats a family heirloom, especially when it performs beautifully. These are great guns. Im glad yours has such a good link to past generations and shoots dead on!

These kinds of stories are what make a gun special. Hopefully you were able to inherit that gun and pass it along to your kids, making memories all along the way.

@@oddballschtuff I got all his guns so I passed them out to his grandkids. Don't remember which one got that gun.

Nice find! Sounds like you got a fantastic fire arm. It’s always fun shoot a piece of history that’s over one hundred years old. I hope you have fun shooting yours as well.

Your welcome, thanks for watching.

The best guns are the used ones with a good history. Mint condition guns might have more value, but guns that have been used by our grandparents, priceless.

Mine is from August 1899.

Excellent, these are cool guns. They patented these in 1899 but didn’t introduce them until 1904. I may be able to help you date it, or at least close to when it was made. Does it say model 1904 or Model 04? What ammunition does it say it’s chambered for on the barrel?

Manufaqtured by the Winchester Repeating Arms co Model 1902 Winchester. N W Haven Conn. U.S.A. Patented August 29 1899. 22 Short - Long.

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@@Vanon_Vanya I don’t have a lot of information on the 1902, but I found a little. It was a John Browning design, and he is one of the great gun designers of the world. That alone is pretty cool. It was produced from 1902-1930. It replaced the Model 1900 with some improvements such as the redesigned trigger guard and a butt plate. It looks like your butt plate is hard rubber. They changed it to the rubber from a metal crescent butt plate in 1904. In 1914 they chambered it in 22 Extra long. From what I can find, you have a 2nd variation carbine from between 1904-1913. That’s pretty neat. It’s older than mine and looks like it’s in good shape. Your a lucky guy. Thanks for checking out my video. I enjoyed yours, even though I only speak English. Basically, the Model 1900, 1902, and 1904 are the same gun with minor variations. The Model 1904 has a heavier 21” barrel vs the 18” barrel of the 1900 & 1902’s. It was given the metal crescent butt plate, but these are really minor differences. It’s like they are brothers. Thanks for sharing yours with me. I checked a few resources and they seam to all agree. I may have made a mistake on the dates, but looks like you have an early version. Have a great day!

She’s been used and put away wet

I bet she’s a beauty of a gun. If I have understood right, yours is one of the first variations between 1904 and 1914. That is definitely a treasure. Thanks for the comment!

@@oddballschtuff Just talked to my dad tonight,,hes 92 now,,he told me that great grampa paid $2.50 ,brand new,,lol

@@davejohnson3271 that really is something else. You can’t even buy a box of 50 .22 LR for that nowadays!!! That history and family connection really makes a gun more than the sum of its parts, but a literal extension uniting the past and the present. That is so cool! Enjoy your grouse hunting with that little gun!

Thanks for the comment. Great advise for some makes and models of rimfire guns.

@@oddballschtuff No, for ALL rimfires

@@kirkstinson7316 I appreciate your comment and checking out the video. I also respect your opinion. But to say never, is simply not true or correct. Many rim fire guns should not be dry fired, but it is not damaging to all rim fires. For one example, the Ruger 10-22 manual specifically addresses this item and states it is safe and okay to dry fire this firearm. It has much to do with the individual design of the firearm rather than the fact it’s a rim fire. If you desire to dry fire a firearm, any firearm, you must look at them one by one, refer to the manual if available, and look at its design if not. As for my 1904, look at it, dry firing is the least of its worries. It is a mantle gun, although it does work safely, it has only value as a visual display, and that is only about $100 or so. If it’s firing pin or barrel we’re damaged, it would be no worse for it than the pitted lands, chamber, rifling, exterior, and lack of a full front sight post. Enjoy your time at the range and may 2021 be better than 2020. Thanks, OBS

This gun was pitted from rust, inside and out. Dry firing is the least of this guns problems. Dry firing it will not hurt it beyond what’s been done to it already. This gun won’t fail though, it’s survived 100 years of pure abuse and still works. It’s a tough mamba jamba. The occasional dry fire keeps it young😉. Not every rim fire can take this kind of abuse though for sure.

That is one thing special about these guns. The more I hear from people, the more it’s evident that many of these guns link us to someone special in our lives or back to an experience in our past. Thanks for sharing your comment.

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No habla español. Google translate didn’t work either. Sorry. Bueno dias

This model of gun is one that you do not want to dry fire if you have one. This is true. You would have to dry fire it hundreds or thousands of times to develop a problem, but it does not have anything to restrict the firing pin from hitting the barrel side of the chamber.

That’s very true, and if this gun was more of a sentimental gun to me, I might have done that. Strangely, I do find a small amount of joy in the crunchiness of this gun.

Those are the best guns, the ones with a connection to family.

@@oddballschtuff no kidding it shoots like dirt but I love it

I totally understand! 🤣🤣🤣

I would say about 100-150 yards for squirrel sized animals, but that’s a small target with open sights. As for safety, if your gun is in good condition, there should not be any danger to use it. The model is great and will last another 10 life times if taken care of. My gun was not taken care of and was left outside for what appeared to be years. It was not the firearm, but the neglect that made me concerned. But, after cleaning it up, mine is fully safe and reliable. I have shot hundred of rounds through it. But because of the damage to the crown, chamber, rifling, and the sights, mine is not accurate. I shoot 22 LR out of it with no issues, because my barrel is marked 22 extra long, so it can handle the 22 LR. If yours is only marked for 22 short, then stick with that. That would also indicate you have an early rifle, which is pretty cool. These are wonderful little youth guns. In fact, I need to take mine out shooting again soon.

@@oddballschtuff thanks a lot

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I didn’t know how well it would seal in the gases. They are built well, but not to be abused. This one was neglected and left out in the rain and humidity when I first saw it. Even the wood was covered entirely in rust that dripped from off the barrel and action. The risk was low with it being a low pressure round, but I still didn’t want gas blasting me in the face.

I used Naval Jelly. I would not suggest it for restorations as it takes the metal down to bare metal and removes bluing. But, it did work great at removing rust.

It was a fun project. Even though its not accurate, it's still fun to shoot. Its rifling is bad, so I think its only worth $150-$200 USD. if it was in excellent condition, it would go for $800-1,800 USD. Fue un proyecto divertido. Aunque no es preciso, es divertido disparar. Su estriado es malo, así que creo que solo vale entre $ 150 y $ 200 USD. si estuviera en excelentes condiciones, costaría $ 800-1,800 USD.

That is the patent date, they didn’t make this model that early, it was the introduced in 1904. They are tough to date though. If it says Mod 1904 it’s pre Feb 1919. If it says Mod 04, it’s after 1919. Depending on what ammo is listed on it will further help date it. I’m glad you’ve got one of these, they are cool little guns.

I don’t know what that means? But thanks for watching.

Resumindo, rifle espetacular

Eu amo isso, obrigado. I hope google translate got that right

This one had trouble because it had been left outside in the humidity and rain and the chamber is pitted badly.

I am good, thanks for checking out my video.

That’s pretty cool. Hopefully it’s working really well for you. It’s design is by one of the greatest, if not the greatest gun designer, the world has ever seen. You have a nice little treasure there.

That turned out excellent. I’ve never seen that kind of grain on gum wood before. It is gorgeous. Aside from the pitting, the exterior metal looked like it was in very nice shape. I can’t wait to see the final bluing once your done. Thanks for that link to your posted pictures. That is going to be a nice little treasure. I bet your dad is going to love it. It’s intriguing how simple and light these guns are. I’m going to have to check out the Oxpho bluing. The Birchwood Casey bluing just wasn’t my favorite after using it. I need to remove the bluing from the bolt to bring it closer to the original finish. Good luck on your last finishing touches!

@@oddballschtuff I blued the complete rifle a few hours ago and just got done putting it back together. I test fired it twice. The chamber must be dirty because the first shell didn’t want to eject. I cycled it twice after I fired it abs the case popped out about a 1/4” . I pulled it out. I ran a bore snake through it before and on between shots. The second time I fired it the shell ejected right out of the gun when I cycled it after firing. She looks and works like brand new again. I posted more pictures of it finished if you click on the same link. Oxpho bluing worked great as usual. My sights are non adjustable so hopefully it’s dead on. Hoping I will be minute of squirrel out to 25 yards.

That is running. Great work!

Right on. I hope you like it as much as I do mine.

Maybe just a little.

It’s not worth to others, what it’s worth to me.