Windows 11's NEW CPU Requirements (Why You Shouldn't Care) 

Don't we all love Mac'osost?

It called Windowtosh or Macdows right? 🤔

Windows phone 8.1 Iwindows phone 8.1

why the "angry mob" aint looking tor wards the mac'osoft building?

@@vz1778 cuz AI

rip

its not gone tho, u can just use linux, even tho its much different

Yeah just use linux for it, but I feel like you're joking here. But if you're not use linux, I have a x10 more powerful cpu and im still using linux. I like an OS that is optimized.

Haha!

@@Timely7 "I like an OS that is optimized." So windows - which is just as optimised, but also doing a lot more things already by default.

Yes 10 is way lighter and better than 11, Its basically 7 with some UI disabled

I tried it with e8400, it wasn't as fast as i thought

7? Imagine using an OS that is unpatched since 4 years

Just use Linux at that point

​@@fcfcthwhat do you expect on a 2006 PC, compile your own Linux for it?

Oh man, sorry to hear. Did you survive?

@@sas408Of course I survived. Who do think is writing this ? I wrote this clever routine in Z8002 assembly to quickly determine the bit population. (Population Count) Thanks for asking. Few Do.

its also feels weird that todays computers have more powerful cpu's than a aviation computers one. (idk if they are still using the old microprocessors)

@@tamtliskedy u would probably be chocked in how many systems that is critical that rely on old hw and cpus... this w11 thing is just freaking nuts...

@skedyThere are still aircraft from the 1980's being used commercially so yeah, they're still using them. Those may be old but they're very reliable.

People who use CPUs from 2010 either use windows 7 or 10 because they dont have secure boot bios so no loss here

Microsoft doesn't need to explain why they are breaking compatibility with older hardware *they already do not support*.

@@Chris-hw4mq 🤣🤣🤣🤣

more like 2006 . .

What are you talking about, they can't remove old code, it will make Windows incompatible with any WIN32 applications. They can only build on top of old things.

so bad we can't run Windows 11 on our Pentium 4's anymore, just sad

P4 was not usable since like 2010, I remember how painfully slow the browsing was on it, while core 2 duo and especially quad core were 5-10 times faster in real usage.

The first computer that I bought had a Pentium 4 3GHz with hyperthreading

@@JamesSmith-ix5jdyep, totally right. Pentium 4s are unusable in 2024. Core 2 duos actually still are.

My old core 2 quad makes the P4 seem ancient and will still be supported. You can buy pentium 4's for less than a dollar, suffice to say nobody should be using them. Those things are paperweights.

Bitlocker uses AES-XTS which is heavily accelerated on ASIC on recent CPU achieving 10GB+ per sec speed. Almost 10x faster than if done on general purpose CPU.

It might also be possible that alternatives for such missing instructions require more code which can create some attack vector to alter registers (or read them) inbetween. An atomic instruction can't be paused inbetween instructions, where lots of instructions can. So maybe there is a theoretical potential attack vector they want to eliminate here?

This.

TBH Very old device can't be secured anyway... Just use whatever OS available... Better understand the risk

Don't underestimate the third worlders. They *will* switch to Linux if Windows gets too difficult to use.

stripped down = less ads, less tracking, and less bs microsoft puts in their OS. you know why that won't happen. So yeah, if you want a safe and lightweight OS, linux is the only solution. Which for me works, since i now use only linux, but yeah i understand that unless linux becomes easy to find already preinstalled, most people will not even know about it.

Yeah or just make the entire OS x10 more optimized. there like game devs, because gpu's are getting so powerful and with FSR and DLS that devs don't optimze there game since higher hardware can handle it. Microsoft has been doing the same as CPU's have gotten better they thought there's no need to optimze and debloat the system as hardware is getting better and can handle it. Personally I hate this, it's why I use linux. I have a ryzen 7 7800X3d and it could run windows even after this update but I like how linux is able to utilze every bit of my system performance. If Microsoft optimizes there OS I might try it out, not use it as a daily driver but I'll give it a go around to see how it is, but ill be dead before that point.

So if I have that right the Core duo and Core 2 series of processors (probably including the centrino mobile line) are the first "new" unsupported processors before going back in the lineup to the Pentium 4... So all of the iX CPU's and onward have it. Not like Win11 on a first gen I series processor would run good....

@@volvo09 Yup. Any Core iX CPU has the necessary SSE4.2 instruction set. And you are spot on, if those would run good is a very different question.

I wouldn't count on it. Wikipedia reports that "SSSE3" was mislabeled as "SSE4" early on in the Core 2 era. With Intel not adopting POPCNT until the second gen iX CPUs with SSE4.2. So by all indications, no Core 2 CPUs will work. It looks like there may be early Xeon CPUs with POPCNT. So I am not counting on my Core 2 Duo E7500 to boot the next time it updates.

Yeah I remember patching macOS Mojave to run on my Core 2 Duo E7400 hackintosh because my CPU only had SSE4 but Mojave required 4.2

So will there be a workaround?

Probably shouldn't be using win11 anyway, maybe not even win10, maybe linux. That CPU isn't a problem, it's the outdated and vulnerable platform hardware its running on. Expect Win12 to be even stricter, rightfully so.

how is the platform hardware insecure? as far as ik spectre/meltdown is the only hardware level vulnerability and thats been patched

@@AT-sl9kf Google "linux kernel Hardware vulnerabilities". They're not related to Linux, they're simply listed on the documentation website of the Linux kernel. It's a pretty long list, unfortunately.

@@fishy2939Now? I gave up on Windows 7 5 years ago.

Amen brother!

You don't really need those features to install or use Win11. Literally look up any guide on youtube to bypass the Win11 TPM, SecureBoot, and even RAM requirements. This is gonna create a bunch of e-waste of Core2Quads and Core2Duos that could at least somewhat run Win11 for basic tasks, but it's more money for microsoft so they don't care.

Certain Pentium 4s can run Windows 11

@@fcfcth yeah but can you install more than 4GB of RAM on that? windows 10 would balk at that.

@@fragalot4GB is fine for Windows 10 and 11.

@@fragalot Windows 10 can run even on 512MB of RAM

From my tv account: When I first heard the news: Oh no ! , I have 8th gen my PC is definitely not getting 24h2. Upon later inspection: My pc is getting it, only old CPUs ain't getting it

I have an i7-7700k, do you think it's still viable?

I have a i5 3570k😂

yes 🙂 works fine

@@Beni_777I'm running it, it's working fine!

"Ever" yeah right, where've heard that one before.....

youll be forced when u are online in win10

​@@adamtajhassam9188good thing I broke something within my win10 install, so it won't update automatically

We're all going to use Win12 in 2026 (except me because I still use a BSEL modded E2160)

@@adamtajhassam9188 just use LTSC 2021 IoT Enterprise edition

If only Linux doesnt make a gazillion distros just because they can... And instead unite.

That would be awesome, I only see that happening once valve makes an official desktop OS @@linkfreeman1998

@@linkfreeman1998 There is no "they" with Linux. It's multiple teams doing what Linux was designed to allow. I hope we never have just one Linux that some corporation can take over.

@@bite-sizedshorts9635 me two but we need to as a community decide what the de facto standard should be the “go to” Linux for beginners, something that just works and plays games well without complexity, and it does not matter what anyone says. Point blank that doesn’t yet exist, not Nobara not regataOS and not pikaOS they are steps in the right direction but they have their own quirks and issues that unless you have a computer background like I do can be difficult for the average Joe.

@@bite-sizedshorts9635 my list of OOTB features that would fit this bill, Double click windows exe’s and have them work out the rip, it’s getting there and nobara does this for a lot of apps but not all work. Or run well… Gaming ready solid performance, aka no weird glitches from the os. Easy to theme and have a great user friendly interface not bloated similar to cinnamon, with easy to understand UI like kde, and have no errors when installing well known themes, Flatpack as the main if not close to only way to install apps, and a solid App Store experience with nice ui’s for everything, A super easy way to install Linux that is user UI friendly, and have the option to install without going into a live environment. Most if not most important auto updates enabled with a nice toggle to disable, I hate updates so you may ask why would I suggest this. Most people forget to update their phone yet alone their computer, so having it enabled automatically is better for the end user, Immutable file system, this way average people can’t kill or uninstall their os like Linus, as funny as that was. And an easy way to install .deb/.rpm without it being fedora(troublesome company) or Debian(dreadfully slow updates) And finally not have it look or run like a pile of garbage, and most if not all distro’s they look fugly and expect the end user to fix it.

Windows 11 is just a marketing name for Windows 10.2 Internally the version is 10.2xxxx

ARM64 has a POPCNT like instruction i.e. CNT. This is from RPi 4B's ARM Cortex A72.

That has to be about 10 years old now, that is a long time.

@@pureplay7071It is but there are other versions of the same CPU (same age) that are compatible. Even i5 and i7. Goes to show how complex CPUs architecture are.

​@@benhaze1010 How about the poor I7 7700k which was just 4 years old at the time, I mean that was some sort of joke.

​@@pureplay7071 Corpos gotta have you continuously consuming, even if your 10 year old hardware is perfectly adequate. Selling a new PC for the most part sells a new copy of Windows.

Funny thing is my CPU released April 2021, October 2021 Windows 11 arrives, my CPU not good enough.

I put off doing the laundry for too many days and ran out 💀

​@@ThioJoe Looks good tbh 👍🏻

how are you 13hr ago?

Lmao 😂

​@@mdmackint He's a channel member. They get videos early by a day

Gaming is not the only use for computers.

That survey was among gamers, not the general public. People in eastern Europe are still using DOS on 80s and 90s PCs. There are millions of PCs in the US that won't meet the requirements. I know mine won't, as I built it myself about 12 years ago. It does everything I need, so why change?

@@bite-sizedshorts9635How much would a sandy bridge i5 cost in eastern Europe? A days wages? A weeks? Just trying to get a frame of reference.

3 week wage for a decent version of the i5 here in romania

Yes

I won't change. I have a laptop that has the original XP running. It works fine.

Yeah, just try to put win7 on a Pentium III... Or XP on a 486, same thing. There is no reason for it. These are old computers, you can ask around and often find someone willing to give you a free 10y old or newer computer these days if you want to hack win11 on something.

It would make more sense if Win11 launched with these requirements (don't tell me their arbitrary CPU cutoff is a real requirement), but this is some random update after a few years that kills CPU support for hardware that was already functional with the OS. This doesn't affect me but they will just create e-waste of otherwise usable basic PCs. Core2Quads are still fast enough for basic tasks.

@@kunka592 it's an os that's in active development... I'll grant you that it probably would've been to make the decision alongside a new OS major release, but its not surprising and it has normally already happened before (Win8 requires SSE2, XP won't run on 486s, and so on) And no, I never said the arbitrary cutoff is justified, I even said "for an actual good reason for once", tho at least the artificial limits can be bypassed

Maybe Microsoft didn't want to repeat the Vista shenanigans that happened in mid 2000s.

Sure except an dell precision from 2017 is not upgradable due to processor. Everything else is compliant. You cannot say a 18 core Xeon is an old slow processor. I have Dell precision 5810 with 64 gigs of RAM and an 18 core processor I certainly have not spent a lot on this machine, but if I had spent $10,000 on a workstation from 2017 I would be infuriated to know my money went down the drain via Draconian requirements of windows 11

I use server 2022 lol

I use windows 11 because my Windows 10 laptop broke

I use 10 cause 11 sucks

Yep Windows 10 here because my CPU released in 2021 isn't good enough to run Windows 11.

Windows 10 👍👍

And there were millions of us who never once used Windows 8. I won't be using 11 either. I skipped from 7 to 10 a while back and changed most of the user interface to what I like.

I run a Q6600 and a modern Radeon Pro card with 8GB RAM and and SSD. It has Fedora 39 with the full fat gnome desktop and it runs great. About as well as an average modern laptop runs Windows 11.

Same processor, same issue, except some of the legacy software I use daily won't function correctly under WINE, so I'll still be using unsupported Windows after the switch to Linux, if only inside a VM, might go back to Win98 or NT4 for it to reduce the VM's footprint.

Check out Netrunner 23 (Vaporwave). :) I've been using Netruuner OS (Debian based) for a few years now and recommend. :)

I'm switching to Windows 10 Enterprise IoT LTSC which is supported until 2032. Maybe consider that....?

The distros can do whatever they want, as long as the linux kernel keeps up the support (and its been doing a pretty good job!) I'm pretty sure a Pentium 3 can run the modern kernel.

@@harpskid Oh, you can even boot modern Gentoo on a Pentium Pro. I believe the baseline for the kernel is still i486, although the very few distros that still support 32-bit tend to compile for i686.

@@harpskid Oh, you can even run modern Gentoo on a Pentium Pro, although finding a suitable desktop environment could prove a bit of a challenge. The kernel still targets i486 as a baseline, and the few distros that still support 32-bit x86 tend to compile for i686. Personally I am in favor of the gradual raising of CPU requirements on the more mainstream, as long as there are still options out there for older hardware, which will unfortunately not be an option for many Windows users come 2025.

@@SteelSkin667 I'm happy they still support i486, but I can't fathom many people are running hardware older than p68 that *also* is getting regular updates. It seems like a very arbitrary target (although I do find videos of ancient hardware running linux very enjoyable). Like, p68 came out 23 years ago. Even in extremely poor countries I would expect people to have access to that kind of hardware. Maybe that's optimistic though. Regardless, microsoft has gone off the deep end with insane system requirements. I can't imagine most people are happy with it.

I decided to move my Core 2 Quad box to Linux from Windows 10. I thought about bypassing the Windows 11 requirements check and installing anyway but given this, I'm glad I didn't. Runs Fedora 39 perfectly with a Radeon Pro WX2100.

Yeah, these processors are so old that simply saying "just install Linux" won't always fly, you'll have to go with an older distro, just like sticking to older windows.

@@volvo09 yeah. There will always be distros supporting old PCs considering Debian still supports 32-bit x86 processors

@@volvo09The newest kernel still supports i486 (even though there were talks of removing it a couple years ago) and plenty of distros support i686.

I guess the test if POPCNT works is just a quick way to determine if your processor supports a number of instructions that are now generated by the compiler used to compile Windows 11. A hypothetical processor that only supports POPCNT but not other SSE4.2 instructions probably would still fail to work.

​@@Rob2 No, POPCNT doesn't have any special feature that we can say a big deal or viable enough. POPCNT is a single instruction, that was added in SSE4.x instruction set. I'm sure that Microsoft main focus isn't the POPCNT here, but to make sure user has at least a CPU that support SSE4.x instruction set. It helps Windows to implement optimizations, for this, and CPUs later released. Any processor that's was made earlier than 2008-2009, is basically unsupported by Windows 11 (or will be after this update began to roll out).

@@sofiaknyazeva In itself it is strange that they refer to a single instruction rather than a capability. Intel/AMD CPUs have a register that has a number of flags indicating if a certain feature is supported, and SSE4.x is among them. So they can directly refer to that capability. Of course I understand (and said above) that they want to use new instructions that older CPUs do not have. It is not, as some people believe, "an easy way to make you buy a new computer", it is a way to distribute optimized software in binary form without the hassle of having to use alternative libraries that are put in place after a CPU type detection.

@@Rob2 I don’t remember off the top of my head about SSE4.?, but each AVX family has a few subversions with different sets of instructions. POPCNT may be the safest to test or generally useful of the entire SSE4.? family.

@@Knirin As I already wrote, there is NO need to "test" if an instruction is available. Ever since the days of the 486 (maybe even 386) there is a register with flags that tells you what the capabilities of the processor are. In Linux you can easily query those flags, don't know how it is in Windows but likely the same. My processor says: *fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx pdpe1gb rdtscp lm constant_tsc art arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl xtopology nonstop_tsc cpuid aperfmperf tsc_known_freq pni pclmulqdq dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx smx est tm2 ssse3 sdbg fma cx16 xtpr pdcm sse4_1 sse4_2 x2apic movbe popcnt tsc_deadline_timer aes xsave avx f16c rdrand lahf_lm abm 3dnowprefetch cpuid_fault epb ssbd ibrs ibpb stibp ibrs_enhanced tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority ept vpid ept_ad fsgsbase tsc_adjust bmi1 avx2 smep bmi2 erms invpcid rdseed adx smap clflushopt clwb intel_pt sha_ni xsaveopt xsavec xgetbv1 xsaves avx_vnni dtherm ida arat pln pts hwp hwp_notify hwp_act_window hwp_epp hwp_pkg_req hfi umip pku ospke waitpkg gfni vaes vpclmulqdq tme rdpid movdiri movdir64b fsrm md_clear serialize pconfig arch_lbr ibt flush_l1d arch_capabilities* As you can see, the sse4.x capabilities are also in that. But there are many more.

Or my AMD 5700g released in April 2021

To me, only gamers need Win 11.

@@Originalimoc I'd argue not even gamers "need" Windows 11. I don't think Windows 11 is "bad" by any measure as far as gaming goes, but it doesn't bring anything particularly novel to that space unless you're super into HDR.

@@Originalimoc Linux is also becoming easier to game on now

​@@Originalimoclaughs in photon lol.

​@Originalimoc Lol, no. A good chunk of games work just fine using proton. I have allot of "windows only" games running just fine on my Linux machine thanks to Proton. Proton keeps getting better ans better. So you won't need Windows for gaming. If only companies like Bungie would get on board with the anticheat and you would be fine.

Then use windows 7 or linux.

@@bhargavjitbhuyan9394 planning on it. Bit too attached to Win10 so I'm sticking to that for now, but I might put linux on my old laptop

I wish i could go back but i cant, it wont let me :( slows my computer down way more than 10 ever did

@@bhargavjitbhuyan9394 planning on it. Too attached and used to Win10. Might put linux on my laptop since it's a bit old though

@@psyxx_ you can backup your files and wipe your disk or ssd and install windows 10. If you have old hardware, why not give linux a shot? You don't really have to even install it. You try it and see if your hardware works. Use works for you. Not what Microsoft wants you to use. Let it be windows 10 , linux , BSD etc. Steps to install windows , linux whatever. You need a pendrive Backup your disk Make a bootable pendrive with Rufus, dd, ventoy, balena etcher Try or flash Done. It is better to watch a RU-vid tutorial.

@@llbb171 well, my cheap laptop from like 2020 doesn't have enough storage space to fit windows 11 and a browser at the same time! And my actually worth something laptop is too old. :(

even on disability i have a 3070 ti laptop. i hope you are a kid.

@@llbb171 I guess it's a certainty that I'll never get another version of Windows. I have 10 on a computer I built from scratch about 12 years ago. It does everything I want, so I don't see any need to change it.

That is just flat-out disgusting behaviour from MS.

Strange. My cpu supports the required cpu instructions.

It's Thio but his name is probably Joe

Are you, like 65?

@@spilt-milkieI wish. Much older.

Yeah, i mean it had a good run. Much more energy efficient options for around $100 these days. I'd probably still be using mine if I didn't damage a DDR2 RAM channel after taking my GPU out to use a can of air on it. 4GB of non-Dual Channel DDR2 hurts a smidge in 2024.

Oh well. Guess a dual boot XP/Linux system for gaming and everyday use may resurrect this old dog.

@@outtheredude I was an NVIDIA guy back in the day, and my Core 2 has a Geforce GT 240. Unfortunately, it is better supported by Windows 11 than Linux. I couldn't find a decent driver the last time I installed Linux on it. I figure Open Source AMD drivers will have a better chance of long term support.

​@@marvinmallette6795Lmfao, I had the opposite experience baring any weird SCSI/RAID controllers Linux will literally run on anything.

@@Anonymous______________ You couldn't find a GPU driver for AMD for the 5.x Linux kernel? However, you could find an official NVIDIA driver for an AGP graphics card that works with the 5.x kernel? Weird.

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