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Kevin Goat loves Wing Chun as it is one of his base arts. Here, he discusses some of Wing Chun's weaknesses and explains that it is important to train in multiple arts.
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@Liberty-rn4wy
@Liberty-rn4wy Месяц назад
I did wing chun (JKD) for about three years. I once got attacked on the street and threw a bong sao which blocked the punch. I know wing chun works in a real fight because I have done it. The reality is that most "street fighters" are untrained and won't stay in there. So my one block did work. But he ran then.
@germanshepherdlover2613
@germanshepherdlover2613 Месяц назад
Bong Sao helped me too, but only in sparring. Bong Sao is also quite good against headbutts.
@redclayscholar620
@redclayscholar620 Месяц назад
I never trained but I also knocked somebody out with a bong. Now he has stitches and I have to roll joints. 😢
@antonioguamil3275
@antonioguamil3275 Месяц назад
1978 I remember whipping out a bong, and a peace to a brutha. He wanted to open a can of whoopass, I opened a pack of reefers. No punches were traded that day, we both high as kites, and we're still friends today.
@germanshepherdlover2613
@germanshepherdlover2613 Месяц назад
@@antonioguamil3275 A spliff will beat a knife every time 😁
@georgealbertmunoz
@georgealbertmunoz 14 дней назад
With every art, there are some minor modifications needed for it to work effectively.
@davidharper8132
@davidharper8132 2 месяца назад
Not sure what lineage of WC you do, but take a look at WSL VT. WC absolutely works in a street fight.
@dynamicdavid
@dynamicdavid Месяц назад
Click bait title \ Subject line
@dannyjingu
@dannyjingu Месяц назад
His comprehension of WC is very limited if he's promoting this. His Tan Da is so static, there is no delfection of energy or foot work. Of course you're gonna take a few to the face! And why punch the ribs first while that fist is coming at you? He's not even trying to slip the punch either. Wouldn't it be more efficient for a side kick to those ribs instead? But then again, I am responding with hypotheticals with more hypotheticals...
@davidharper8132
@davidharper8132 Месяц назад
@@dannyjingu Agree. In WC you hit, you don't chase hands. Forward pressure - hit! Adjust. Hit! We don't play games like trapping for the sake of trapping. just hit the guy with the nearest weapon.
@davidblancaneaux1069
@davidblancaneaux1069 Месяц назад
What?! I guess he forgot about foot work needs to be incorporated. ..so many other steps he is missing..I'm too tired to explain 😢
@DxModel219
@DxModel219 Месяц назад
well I’ve seen his videos and he does mix it up pretty good. The right training, structure and footwork in WC absolutely wins in a streetfight but you gotta train hard and correctly for a few years. Not every school or person can do it. So he is correct for the 95% WC noobs out there and not correct for the 5% WC practitioners who does it right
@mauricedues231
@mauricedues231 2 месяца назад
I did 10 years in Prison and Survived just off of boxing 🥊 and Taekwondo 🥋 Start practicing wing chun when I got out so .Its all on the individual Been in over 100 fights before I entered any dojo
@DxModel219
@DxModel219 Месяц назад
I been in 20 fights as a teenager… mostly got beaten up. Had 3 months of WC in college and destroyed someone much larger than me 😂😂😂
@marcocastoldi7403
@marcocastoldi7403 Месяц назад
respect for you
@rickeymckissick2065
@rickeymckissick2065 2 месяца назад
He made great good points in wing Chung. They forgot to rephrase that if. The person backs up that’s when the kicks comes in that’s why they got the Wing Chung kicks. The front kicks other kicks like sidekick really that’s why they rephrase and favored the sidekick, but the principal applies to every styles of Martial arts. Taekwondo karate doesn’t matter, but if they failed to and he made great points. If the person backing up the kicks get involved but if the attacker comes forward, this is when you’re doing your other tools like your head butts, shoulder butt and elbows and it applies it all styles that’s where it makes sense but developing the rhythm of how to adapt with your footwork that’s where it selects on his own and your techniques, but you have to also take away the way they do it in sports because it takes way the real purpose of why they do their attacks the way they do and it actually does more than what it normally do it does actual form of actual battlefield tactics
@germanshepherdlover2613
@germanshepherdlover2613 Месяц назад
The low Wing Chun kicks directed at the knee or thigh are pretty good pre-emptive (interception) techniques during attack or defence...especially6 if the opponent moves back or advances across the "line".
@chocolateboy3000
@chocolateboy3000 2 месяца назад
If it takes you longer to punch in a straight line than a boxer throwing a hook, keep practicing. You can throw hypotheticals all day long. At the end of the day, it's the practitioner. Wing Chun works otherwise MMA fighters wouldn't use it.
@gfenwick1
@gfenwick1 2 месяца назад
Ive heard this same thiung for decades. Always remember a few ppl making the same mistake with bouncers in HK in the mid 80's. Those idiots were cleaned up in very short order. Bad form to make assumpotions about any style and whether its effective. Its the practitioner that counts
@lanceroberthough1275
@lanceroberthough1275 2 месяца назад
Well I am not a martial arts master of Wing Chun but I am indeed a martial arts master with decades of training and teaching. And I have studied Wing Chun. You are using a very superficial evaluation of Wing Chun in specific and fighting general. Wing Chun can be highly effective street fighting. It depends on the range. And the things you say you would do in response you may not have time to do if you are dealing with a seriously well trained practitioner. I always love how different people claim that different things don't work for this or that. I love how people use terms like "street fighting" as if it's all one thing. That's ridiculous. It isn't..
@levihookofficial
@levihookofficial 7 дней назад
remember thats all just material art, basicly its depands on the individu its self. choose the best option that fits to you
@JAllen5050
@JAllen5050 Месяц назад
First form, you don’t just slap block. You can use the crane’s head. (It hooks) There are several ways to block besides the lop sou. Also, people don’t just back up. They freeze. Especially if you tag them while lop sou while they’re coming in. Just a thought.
@AnthonyAllen-c3q
@AnthonyAllen-c3q Месяц назад
Stances in wing chun are designed to close the gap and make contact with the opponents stance. Once contact is made you are to stick to and follow the adversary’s stance movement to destroy his structure while doing trapping hands. Theirs a wing chun saying that says if your sticking to him your unlikely to loose. This saying is from the kuen kuit.
@sipscl
@sipscl Месяц назад
It really depends on which Wing Chun line. In WSL VingTsun you hunt the body, not the arms, and break the attacker's structure through dynamic forward pressure (step work is important here!) The VT punches are also very effective if they are trained appropriately with a lot of punch - if they hit, then this has an impact and the attacker will have a very difficult time landing his boxing punch at the same time!
@sirj.murray1695
@sirj.murray1695 2 месяца назад
Well detail appreciated the lesson
@Wardfolio
@Wardfolio Месяц назад
I have been doing JKD for a long time and you are correct. Very great lesson!
@CoachSteveJandS
@CoachSteveJandS 22 дня назад
The philosophy of the center line works for different styles. You are either where they are striking, or not....
@shanecolburn2469
@shanecolburn2469 Месяц назад
The most effective techniques are easy to counter and defend in your mind when someone is demonstrating them and breaking them down step by step. It's not so easy when you don't know what is coming, when its coming, or where it's coming. Wing Chun (Chinese Boxing) is one of the few martial arts outside of Jiu Jitsu that actually has street applicable techniques. Super legit.
@maykellavarrereschavez664
@maykellavarrereschavez664 2 месяца назад
Un saludo desde Cuba. Es un error decir que no funciona. Eso depende del lineage. La EBMAS si funciona
@VTSifuSteve
@VTSifuSteve Месяц назад
Muchos años atrás tuvimos un joven alumno que participaba con nuestro WT club en Phoenix. Él vino acá del grupo EBMAS de Cuba. Creo que su nombre fue Dailer Moreno, o algo así. Somos procedentes del sistema WT de Leung Ting de los años '80 y Emin era el mejor practicante de este sistema WT en el mundo, aun antes de formar EBMAS. Emin nunca perdió tiempo tratando de atrapar manos. El fue muy directo, pegandote en el primer instante. ¡Era verdaderamente asombroso! Así como también era mi maestro de Escrima, Rene Latosa (RIP). Saludos desde Arizona EEUU.
@smakajo400
@smakajo400 2 месяца назад
I was told this about Wing Chun by someone who was Inayan Eskrimador ironically. It was a lot of awkward figures of speech, but it made sense when I thought about it more. He told me that styles are like individual plots of land that you decide to own in your mind, with its uneven ground to practice being grounded on, possibly rubble of trees that either may or may not be cleared out, and whatever sort of landscaping venture you can think of is your decision. With this in mind, Wing Chun is a road, meant for you to get from one area to the other easily. With this in mind, we can't have a road without an area to put it on. Funny enough, someone asked with a snarky attitude, "Well, what about boats and aircraft? They don't need roads?" So he showed dude Tansao after saying "hook me", but in the way of Karate, Taekwondo, Krav Maga, Eskrima, and a variety of other styles with the same outcome to the move. Then he replied, "what about them?"
@PSM5787
@PSM5787 Месяц назад
I have to disagree with you. This video I’ve done Wing Chun in the street and I got jumped and used it I took three guys out with wing chun that was bigger than me. now Intergrated Wing Chun by Sifu Chow shows the application of how to “Integrate” and adapt the style I’m not going to get all into it but be careful with videos not everything is shown and you really can train by just watching videos a lot of these martial artist that are doing videos had personal or open hand to hand training honestly shame on them that they are turning to video warriors but. With my personal hood experience that i had to learn to protect myself wing chun works just like everything. There is an old style wing chun and new integrated style wing chun.
@Shamlist1234
@Shamlist1234 2 месяца назад
Wonderful lesson. Thank you so much for sharing.
@thenovicenoisemaker
@thenovicenoisemaker 17 дней назад
All styles have strengths and weaknesses and all fights are different. Learning any martial art with help in some way, better than knowing nothing at all.
@denstorebog
@denstorebog 14 дней назад
I find using WC (1-2 years) very hard in sparring, for me it mostly works in midt/close range for traping. if you get to close, it turnes into wrestling and you have to defend the take down. Longere range, kickboxing or karate works better for me and WC stance becomes insufficient.
@Sifu-intraining
@Sifu-intraining 2 месяца назад
No the idea of Wing Chun is ro hit the man control the man not to trap the hands sure get the trap if you can but you shouldnt chase the hands if you had pak into him like you showed and step forward and punch you would control the man hard for him to punch you while getting punch in the face and being moved back and punch into the man not chain puches like in Yip Man movies your trying to cause damage not give them a massage
@sefdelarosa8604
@sefdelarosa8604 18 дней назад
I enjoy Kevin Goat's video. He explains the process with details. I recently started taking JKD and the Sifu that teaches JKD has a great program as well. He teaches you Wing Chun too, what works and what does not work in real a fight. I was really fortunate to take Krav Maga for many years. Learning from someone that that served in the IDF in Israel. I have had shoulders injuries, broken ribs, back issues, neck issues from heavy sparring. KM is no joke. Now I am introducing JKD and Wing Chun. You really have to know the true concepts of Wing Chun to apply it in your fighting skills. I don't have the experiences of learning so many martial arts. But I also took boxing and I can tell you, if you have a background in boxing with other disciplines of Martial Arts. You do become more dangerous. Personally, I grew up street fighting. I don't know how many fights. You really don't count. Great video !!!
@raetan10
@raetan10 17 дней назад
You 1st counter punch to his rib cage is already using Wing Chun principles of intercepting. Also, trapping hands is not literally trapping hands, it is trapping the centre of mass / balance of opponent. These demos are mostly chasing hands, missing the crux of Wing Chun.
@ChadVigue
@ChadVigue 2 месяца назад
How many street fights did it take for you to figure that out?
@Lescouflair
@Lescouflair Месяц назад
You can also step on their lead foot 🦶 in order to give your opponent problems.
@user-oq7me9mu4c
@user-oq7me9mu4c 5 дней назад
sir, i have few questions! is it possible to learn wing chun from internet at home ? is only shaolin kung fu enough for street fight ?
@giuliancity2507
@giuliancity2507 Месяц назад
If you use sunpunch from latissimus and richly ellbows it works
@leolejo4891
@leolejo4891 26 дней назад
It depend on how, and depend on the person, if boxing or BJJ practice just a sequence of rigit movements form and the acctual sparring just hit the sand bag, it will uneffective and not ready for real match or real fight.
@PinoRemax
@PinoRemax Месяц назад
Please everyone remember that nothing stops you from a low kick to the inner knee or ankle when your are in any of the trapping moves shown in this video. Everything can be done simultaneous.
@jaychyzyk
@jaychyzyk 2 месяца назад
Nicely put!
@brianchin9130
@brianchin9130 21 день назад
Its all in the Wing Chun. Only if you are stone dead then you dont know Wing Chun kick when your opponent run away kicking distance. Wing Chun have hook and also blade hand if you quenched your fist its a hook. The way to move your hand in the hook polar already. It depends on you want to give him a knuckle, a blade hand or a slap or a pheonyx fist, a thumb thrust or anything you want. The requirement is to make any easiest way of defence and action in any condition ,Wing Chun or Kungfu fluid like water concept .You need to be able do such action "as for an easy ride"when you already on the way or in the crossroad to change any direction you want.
@elregacho
@elregacho 17 дней назад
That's right... If you are a 5° Student Grade as much in Wing Tsun. It's different 3° Technical Grade and beyond. Even it't seems another style. But it's the same system, beacuse Wing Tsun are concepts, not technics. What you show here are games from Lat Sao for students to get some skills, but it's too difficult to defend yourself against someone stronger and with better timing than yours. The students without patience go out and say Wing Tsun doesn't work for selfdefense. Of course It doesn't, keep on training and then you Will see. If you are not patience, better do boxing, It is a great sport and useful in a most of street fights. Greeetings😊🙏
@michaelspyrou1784
@michaelspyrou1784 27 дней назад
all is good but the idea is to get the 1st and perhaps another couple of hits. if you can not bring someone away from you with these punches Don't get into fights!
@122222770
@122222770 Месяц назад
Francis fong is pretty legit. I encourage people to check out his wing Chun.
@jaysonderus3369
@jaysonderus3369 29 дней назад
Now I wanna see a Kickboxer or a Grappler in a Bathroom Stall 🤣🤣 You guys know the scene in Kiss of the Dragon where Jet Li lures the blond guys into the small offices to rob them of their Kickking? Had to think about that scene while watching.
@warmfrost1
@warmfrost1 Месяц назад
there is no point learning the different ways chess pieces can move without being able to strategize. i am satisfied that with everyone going around screaming "kung fu is bs kung fu is bs" someone who actually knows wing chun strategy, not just what the different moves the inventors of wing chun came up with, is being fair and clearing things up about wing chun. unfortunately the world is still so immature that partially some tattoos and muscles were needed to stand up for kung fu. i hope soon enough people will use kung fu in serious mma and bring back the ancient arts. this is not just good for kung fu practitioners. for mma fighters kung fu is like an uncharted ocean. very few masters know what they are doing. you need a high fight iq to naviguate the bullshido and the real kung fu. but if you can successfully think using kung fu and not just know it at a superficial level you can destroy "plateau-ing". but remember the key to this ocean is not finding a true master. they barely exist. its playing the fool and stealing ur kung fu teacher's knowledge. there are so few true masters. if it doesnt make sense and ur fight iq is high. it doesn't. its not mma where everyone is a rebel. thats why there is no bullshido. noone is afraid to beeak emperor's clothes and point things out. so bring rebel to kung fu. sign up for kung fu with your muscular mma friends. rebel. resist when they try to force it. that is how kung fu was anyways. and that is how fighting teachers should be. if they dont hold water...
@donaldmongrain9670
@donaldmongrain9670 18 дней назад
I like your video, but again you and many others think the chain punch is the only punch or strick we have. We have many different punches and strikes.
@kingdar237
@kingdar237 Месяц назад
Boxing is useful in street fight, focus on face attract, keep eye to eye contact to ur opponent.
@DenshaOtoko2
@DenshaOtoko2 Месяц назад
That's Jeet Kune Do Concepts based on William Cheung Wing Chun.
@realherbalism1017
@realherbalism1017 27 дней назад
Yeah this is not Wing Chun. The purpose of Wing Chun is not to trap, the purpose of wing Chun is to hit the opponent. You don't trap them, they trap themselves.
@alexsuaste6413
@alexsuaste6413 Месяц назад
Your analogy is faulty. However, as an instructor in the original mix martial arts because currently it's only jujitsu and muay Thai. I agree with you that everything works and nothing works depends on the circumstance. I always tell that to my students
@DenshaOtoko2
@DenshaOtoko2 Месяц назад
My Wing Chun sifu said stop chasing hands and hit your target. When you are doing seeing chi sao use fish eyes.
@LIGOPIGO
@LIGOPIGO Месяц назад
Bruh Ip man once said: Stop making mantra just hit your target
@bewusstseinskunst
@bewusstseinskunst Месяц назад
Wing chun works. But we must see that the "real" Trap is always the trapping of the balance.
@DenshaOtoko2
@DenshaOtoko2 Месяц назад
I meant seeing chi sao.
@Liberty-rn4wy
@Liberty-rn4wy Месяц назад
Having studied wing chun I would say the core of the art is the centerline. But ok, another way of looking at it is it is about trapping.
@DavidBarnwell876tkdja
@DavidBarnwell876tkdja Месяц назад
All these Wing Chun won't work videos..are... in my opinion.... created by people with are terrible at Wing Chun. I feel like the question should be...why are so many people so bad at Wing Chun? There is a serious problem with the training of that system. In the training of a lot of systems, actually. They all need to do something about their impractical and unsuccessful teaching methods.
@trevor244
@trevor244 Месяц назад
Sorry you need to have more understanding of WC. It's not just about trapping it is also about angles. I can move forward quicker than anybody who can move back. Therefore my job of sticky hands will make this impossible for the person to escape. Trapping is not necessary about trapping the hands but Limiting their options. Good example as you demonstrate that trapping move your body to the left And you have counter he's left hand attack. But you're both hands are on the opponent. WC Is one of the best for close contact but is limited For long distance.
@user-tu4eo7zi1c
@user-tu4eo7zi1c Месяц назад
Usually dont comment because its a waste of time, seen a common comment about this art (boxing) take one class youll see why chun doesnt work. All chun isnt the same do they run drills, spar. Id say 99 percent of chun guys dont spar just chi sau and forms ,and out of the 1 percent that spar maybe 99 percent are wild no technique just flailing and brawling but when you find a guy that uses chun techniques it resembles all kickboxing arts to the naked eye power, flowing.
@germanshepherdlover2613
@germanshepherdlover2613 Месяц назад
Agree, a lot of Wing Chun lacks proper sparring...drills and applications with compliant "opponents" who offer no resistance is a waste of time. With hard sparring Wing Chun can actually be pretty good depending on the teacher etc.
@prodoommania4157
@prodoommania4157 Месяц назад
I once did wind chun and got attacked by 12 strangers all welding blunt weapons. 1 punch. I kid you not 1 punch sent them all flying across the street. It works y'all 😎
@U.W.Y.H.L.
@U.W.Y.H.L. 7 дней назад
Wing Chun is an internal martial art, and without that understanding you expose yourself as only dealing with strength and structure thus ignoring the essence or principle factor which gives the art its ability to dominate! Internal martial arts teaches you a quality you cannot develop using muscle tension, which runs counter to the arts power to manipulate an opponent’s strength and structure and deliver devastating strikes! Anyone serious about learning Wing Chun should only listen to practitioners who illustrate and demonstrate its internal aspects, which is the highest level of fighting! An analogy is kinda like a regular army grunt vs special forces! Both are highly trained, but the latter far exceeds the limits of the former. 😳🤦🏻‍♂️🙄/👌✌️🤲☝️🤔
@ResurrectionSalan-uz2jb
@ResurrectionSalan-uz2jb 2 месяца назад
Wing Chun is like jkd, it's very effective.
@Ray-qb7tk
@Ray-qb7tk 2 месяца назад
Jeet Kune Do? Bruce Lee studied Western boxing in Edward Haislett's little book: Boxing. However, JKD,as a martial art ineffective. Maybe against a beginner or rookie
@RobertoBarrale-od6kf
@RobertoBarrale-od6kf Месяц назад
Per strada devi chiudere la distanza...non devi fare mica sparring .se ti attaccano chiudi la distanza col win chun..e non dai il tempo per reagire..non e mica tuo tube la.strada .
@NIELSENMANOR
@NIELSENMANOR 2 месяца назад
It is not wing Tsun this man is a fake he thinks he knows wing Tsun but he doesn’t Wing Tsun is the most relastic selfdenfense system in the world so yes it works in the street ! He not know how to apply wing Tsun that’s why he say it is not working!
@Goldfishbites
@Goldfishbites Месяц назад
Yea. Sure buddy....
@NIELSENMANOR
@NIELSENMANOR 13 дней назад
@@Goldfishbites
@userssss1057
@userssss1057 Месяц назад
no body does that in realfight it all bullshit
@michaelreynolds6543
@michaelreynolds6543 24 дня назад
Maybe YOU cant make it work . . . maybe you should go back to basics and try to figure out why it doesnt work for you? Truth be told most arts fail in the application, if your applying the art using traditional methods and im guessing from the first words i heard here you probably are, then your gonna fail . . . Action will always be faster than reaction so if your looking to block and counter in a street fight then your gonna be dissapointed. So figure out where your going wrong, analyze what happened then correct that mistake rather than post a vido (with the usual clickbait titles) telling us all how the art failed you when in reality you failed the art
@JJDIDTIEBUCKLE72
@JJDIDTIEBUCKLE72 Месяц назад
JFC. take one boxing lesson. If WC worked , pugilists would use it. They don’t. Because it doesn’t. Simple as.
@dannyjingu
@dannyjingu Месяц назад
And yet, Bruce Lee beat a boxer, in a boxing match, using WC...I also heard the boxer was a champ too
@YorshZed
@YorshZed 13 дней назад
Pugilists use wing chun by the way. Lol.
@MauseDays
@MauseDays 2 месяца назад
use al lthe things that work use none of the things that dont
@mauricedues231
@mauricedues231 2 месяца назад
I did 10 years in Prison and Survived just off of boxing 🥊 and Taekwondo 🥋 Start practicing wing chun when I got out so .Its all on the individual Been in over 100 fights before I entered any dojo
@danodonnell7218
@danodonnell7218 Месяц назад
😮 so your a thug! 😅
@mauricedues231
@mauricedues231 Месяц назад
@@danodonnell7218 reformed threw Martial Arts 🥋 🐉🤣⚡️
@danodonnell7218
@danodonnell7218 Месяц назад
@@mauricedues231 💪💪💪🙏🙏🙏🙏
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