Wing Chun School Challenges Karate School - AMAZING KUNGFU 

Thank you Jerry!

@@justingatcomb8966your Ura Mawashi Geri was on point!

@@FightCommentary I like that hook because the chamber looks like a low kick. We weren’t allowed to kick legs, but I knew he was an MMA fighter, so I would try to get him to check or defend a round kick and then go around the guard with a hook

Punch always wins because it is quicker and you all you need to do is move forward and the kick will never have enough force.

@@zupremo9141 that’s true, and totally fair, this isn’t my go-to option, this is just a thing I sprinkle in to be sneaky, but he didn’t defend my first hook kick so I did the fake low +hook twice that match. I understand basics win fights, and I spend the most time on fundamentals, but competitive fighting is for entertainment, so I look for opportunities to do things that you may not see every day. I was really embarrassingly slow that match but I hope it was at least fun to watch

That’s your school! Wow! Does your coach speak English? If not, could I interview you?

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You guys rock Wing Chun! Badasses! 👊

@@FightCommentarysadly I've never participated in such events with sparring other stiles and schools, I don't know much about it. But I sent your invitation to our more experienced guys.

@@RomaYT999 именно таких не очень много. В Питере с ковидных времён межстилевых встреч не видела. Может, у москвичей что-то было, не знаю.

I agree about Wing Chun and the other traditional styles work, but this still looks like bad kickboxing so i wouldn't use this video as example

''traditional style practitioners'', i didn't even see a technique of wc in this video, this was literally kick box vs karate.

@@maxisalas5249 yeah, the only wing chun related things the Wing Chun practitioner did was use some of the WC concepts, which is fine, i guess, as the most important part of most Chinese martial arts is the concepts Now then, he ddi use them in a poor manner

Bang on the money brother, it’s all about the application, not trying to look like ip man

He's not a Kyokushin fighter but a Chinese with Karate GI doesn't exist point Fight in Kyokushin are always full contact.

There was zero karate here even for point scoring.

Third form it is!

Thanks. I'm learning Chum Kui at the moment. I haven't got to the third form, and was wondering when I'm going to do more work on the hook.

​@pipappleyard3982 the double lan sau section of chumkiu can be interpreted as a hook aswell.

@@markwhite4826 I hadn't even thought of that! I could see that

@@markwhite4826that’s the beauty (and also it’s curse) of WC, the moves are meant to be abstract to allow different interpretations and applications but it depends on the practitioner to make it happen

No, it’s because he’s a complete novice judging by his reactions. I do Muay Thai but I know wing chun could never overpower karate.. it’s not even about the style being weaker, it’s just not the nature of wing chun. Regardless, karate guys should have better conditioning which would have made a lot of the bum rushes useless

Didn't notice

Lol

Very good info

In Moscow? Last time I checked, it was in Saint Petersburg and Sochi :)

@@anastasia_w Yes, you are correct. My bad. Should have specified "in Russia", rather than in Moscow alone.

If I were to try and learn some WC, I think I would either seek out an IWCO place or Alan Orr. They seem to have the right idea.

Glad you liked it

Wing Chun is really upgrading.

Saying karate is "a superior martial art" if done as you suggest is just another claim based on prejudice. Many styles can be highly effective if they fit the fighter and come from comprehensive training that includes testing skills with free sparring. I respect some styles more than others, but I know someone with the right frame of mind and training can be very effective with a style I have less respect for.

You're the second one to mention this. What did you notice that I didn't notice about the ceiling?

@@FightCommentary hey mate. Great work with your RU-vid channel,keep it up and i hope it's rewarding. The ceiling at the back of the room.away from the camera seemed to have had a water leak and the panels are all warped and not fitting snug. Danger danger. Let's just say I would be sparring more near the camera if I was there lol

​@@FightCommentaryright above the light near the karate ancestor wall shrine

I had to block one of them just now. The issue with some of these guys is they immediately make this channel political by bringing up non martial arts related issues that can only get this channel in trouble (stuff related to rac3, gender etc). So to protect this channel, I have to patrol the comments like a freaking rat. Still breaks my heart sometimes, but I just remember to focus on the big picture and think about the people who watch this channel because of the love for martial arts.

That’s interesting!

I know right this karateka has no experience.

Glad you enjoyed

I agree but this guys needs to work on his hand techniques a bit. Pls tell me that i'm not the only one that can see how a decent practitioner of Muay Thai, Kickboxing or Boxing would easily deal with those hand techniques 😭😭

​@jestfullgremblim8002 dunno. It was light sparring with protective gears. When I do light sparring I change my techniques a bit to loose power as I don't want to really hurt my partner. We should see them in actual mma matches to really see their potential. I do agree that somehow the hands are bit floppy. But as I said above it was light sparring.

@@jestfullgremblim8002 I don't disagree with you, but from a logical standpoint, it can also be said that a decent practitioner of WC can easily deal with some random MT or KB practitioner. From a statistical standpoint, you'd be right because most traditional martial arts do not train for the ring and it attracts certain delusional people. It's evolving though. There was a time when BJJ was thought to be the answer, but constant exposure in combat sports reduced its effectiveness. Karate used to be laughed in the early days, but is getting respected or is respected. Let the martial arts evolve. I believe even aikido when trained properly has its place in mma. I've seen taiji practitioners throw wrestlers around. WC is really hard to make it work because the sweet spot is just beyond grappling range for sticky hands trapping and it doesn't work at all when a striker snipes from a distance. Hence, it needs to be aggressive and stick to the opponent.

@@dogwink i agree!! I was right to think that you were knowledgeable!

Bro 😂

There’s no MT here

Hahahahah

Same thing with the Wing Chun 😭😭😭

Glad you enjoyed it

Oh! So the Biu Jee that every non-Chinese speaking chunner speaks of is 標指? Thanks for another term that I can now look up in Chinese!

​@@FightCommentary Three Wing Chun forms are Siu Nim Tao = 小念头 Chum Kiu = 寻桥 Biu Jee = 標指 However Wing Chun terminologies are primarily Cantonese (or Cantonese-to-English), so mandarin stuffs are actually (slightly) more difficult to come by.

True. You will need more than that if you want to make Wing Chun work against a decent opponent. As Wing Chun comes from White Crane, i can tell that it was supposed to be grapoling heavy amd use weapons if available, so one could say that nowdays, people are not practicing the whole art, just like Karate practitioners

@@jestfullgremblim8002 saying a striking art is more effective with grappling and weapons is a bit of an excuse people use I find, I agree its true though so I get what you mean, but thats the same for any striking art so it doesnt help much WC works best when its doing two things, breaking through guards with forward pressure and its block+counter strike combos boxing has those kinds of combos where you block and counter as soon as you feel the hit on your guard so its know to be very effective, you just need to train it right. The advantage of the boxing block counter is that they protect their chin while blocking, where as WC does not, the chin is wide open for KO as the blocks are being performed. This is also why you see them get hit while they move forwards often too, they walk their chin right onto a waiting counter shot like a check hook Its ok for low level attacks but as soon as you fight trained people that can feint then its super dangerous to bock in WC because if you miss time it you give them a free shot at the chin. This is pretty much why you dont see WC work at pro level

@@driver3899 i understand and agree with what you are saying (you are definitely knowledgeable on this) BUT there is something that i would like to fix in there: Wing Chun was a weapon martial art at first, just like Karate, Taijiquan, Baguazhang, Xing Yi quan and White Crane Style Kung Fu. All of those just got transformed into unarmed styles because people misunderstood them or for other reasons (like Karate, whose weapons and grappling were removed on purpose because the Japanese wanted a unarmed striking style) Wing Chun used to have takedowns and most of it's "unarmed techniques" are actually weapon techniques. Just look at how you are supposed to used the Butterfly Sword in wing chun and you'll end up finding Pak Sao, Tan Sao, Bong Sao and all of those techniques again. When you see the weapon applications, the "Man Sao Wu Sao stance" suddently makes sense! (People almost never attack the face with knives, they want your body) also, all of those karate-like hand chops to the neck start making sense! And just like Taijiquan (A.K.A. Taichi), Xingyiquan, Baguazhang, Karate and some other styles. Wing Chun practitioners were supposed to use grappling if they were caught unarmed, and they could also use some of their weapon techniques while unarmed (which is what we see today as the main WC moves). The old practitioners of Taichi, Bagua and Xing Yi all did Shuai Jiao, which is basically Chinese Judo (in the sense that it has very similar techniques and concepts), and while i haven't really found any proof of the same being true for WC practitioners, we still know that WC comes from the Shaolin Temple where the animal styles are practiced, and if you didn't know, basically all of the animal styles are also Weapon based and grappling based while unarmed. Winh Chun comes from the White Crane style (just like a big part of Karate) and White Crane practitioners are, once again, supposed to do grappling (along with some striking, of course) when unarmed, so it's obvious that it's the same for Wing Chun, just like it is for Karate. When doing grappling, Tan Sao suddently becomes super useful, Jum Sao makes sense, the whole sticking to yoir opponent becomes easy and profitable, etc. Btw, Okinawan Karate masters/practitioners did not have Shuai Jiao, but instead they practiced "Tuidi" which is basically Okinawan wrestling. So yeah, that's why all of these martial arts were so good back then. They were practiced right You misunderstood me when i talked about weapons and grappling. Of course that every striking art becomes stronger when used with those, but that is not what i meant, i meant that Wing Chun was literally meant to be used like that and that most of it's tecniques are either grappling or weapon stuff

@@jestfullgremblim8002 Ah yeah I get your point better now, yes if it was weapon first then same ideas used for empty hand striking it will make the striking way less practical, I do kali arnis (stick fighting) and its strikes are amazing with a stick or knife but when you do them empty hand they are pretty garbage, better than nothing but only just. As for karate, I am no expert on its history but from what I remember it comes from old Japanese jujitsu which is what the samurai would use when weapons broke on the battlefield. That then broke off into karate (the striking part) and judo (the wrestling part) but I know Okinawan karate has its own separate history too In any case we can only judge the pros and cons of each style in the context of striking you will do in the modern day, and that means empty hand in civilian clothing, no weapons or armour. I think WC can be somewhat effective if trained right (pressure tested) and with its own limitations in mind. Just like any style, but the chin must be protected, if not by modifying its guard then by use of excellent lateral footwork, timing and distance management to stop punches especially when moving forwards and potentially walking into counter strikes. There are some similarities to the Thai long guard or "Dracula" guard and the outstretched hand of the WC guard so that could be work shopped into something quite functional, plus we know in boxing that hand trapping to pull apart someones guard and leave opening for strikes works well so thats already proven. Plus the grappling like you said, if that was emphasised then it might be pretty effective in clinch striking Just haven't seen anyone put all these things together into high level striking yet The vast majority of WC is not trained as a functional art (if you are not wearing a mouthguard in training then there is a good chance your not training in a functional way) so I expect that is the biggest hurdle for someone to overcome before they can become a high level striker using just WC techniques

Where? Show me!! I want to see this clip!!

@@FightCommentary I’m gonna look for it now. I remember they took it down a while ago but I swear you’ll love it! If I can find it I’ll post it up here

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-pP0-IpDEUGU.htmlsi=Stm7dq21Y_smjowQ Here it is bro! And they cut it too! It was a longer video!

@@FightCommentaryYou did a review of it already in 2019. My bad.

That was ding hao! Ding hao got destroyed by Xu xiaodong in 2019. There are levels to these things. Still, it’s quite interesting that at ding hao’s level he could still take on the karate mcdojos 😂😂

Absolutely not. Send us clips of you. We’ll feature you any time if you think your stuff is better.

@@FightCommentary sorry, I had answered but it seems my answer has not been posted. I do not practice Wing Chun or traditional karaté, but I maintain the first 2 guys lack technique. If it pleases you to compare styles, you can find some of my fights on my channel. Not all of them are online, but all the videos I have are, wins or losses. Be my guest.

Who developed red boat wing chun?

@@FightCommentary red boat was the first system. It looks like boxing with Muay Thai clinch work and sweeps and throws. That was the first system. Then came Fujian Wing Chun. That was the second incarnation. Lastly came Hong Kong Wing Chun. For reasons I don't fully understand each incarnation of Wing Chun had less and less material... Look up Steve Smith and non-classical kung fu. That system contains red boat wing Chun. In fact Bruce Lee learned red boat in Seattle from his uncle fook yueng.. If you look at that system trapping leads into locks and throws. Anyways . Bruce Lee's main teacher was fook yueng. Bruce Lee learned red boat as it's a far more effective and complete system but he didn't teach it openly. It became his secret family lineage. You should have interviewed Jesse Glover who was one of Bruce Lee's top students and the best, he was also a gold medalist in judo at the Olympics. He passed away a couple years ago. Ed heart was a former professional boxer who was also one of Bruce Lee's students he's also dead. Both of them trained in red boat after Bruce Lee passed away. You might really want to interview Steve Smith. While he didn't train with Bruce he did train in red boat Wing Chun. He was personally trained by Bruce's uncle and he also trained heavily with Jesse glover. FYI non-classical kung fu is basically the name given to the secret material that was Bruce Lee's family lineage and he never desired it to be commercialized, it and he never desired it to be commercialized, it was secret only for the few people and he never desired it to be commercialized, it was also a name used to avoid lawsuits from the Bruce Lee foundation but that's another story. Non-classical kung fu in Seattle is the best system I have ever seen if we're talking about Wing Chun.

There are more than two lads in this video. There’s a couple of matches in fact.

@@FightCommentary Fair enough Jerry. I meant the first two guys. I’ll add that to my comment.

@@FightCommentary Also. Dude. Just wanted to say - thank you for uploading these fight and putting in the time. You really deserve way more recognition.

Ok let me qualify that. The first match wasn’t that impressive but it got better

Yep. I can agree with you. This school almost had JKD vibes esp because it looks like they’re sparring other styles. If you spar other styles, you’re going to change your own approach. It’s inevitable. All roads eventually lead to JKD or MMA 🤓 Great comment!

The JKD "fencing moves" is actually a Wing Chun technique called 逼步箭捶 or 箭捶 (Arrow punch). It is sort of a go-to technique for Wing Chun practitioner during sparring, even (especially) for beginners without a lot of sparring experience because it can be launched without fancy close-range trappings. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-CMS3Xcn862E.html I always have a sneaking suspicion that Bruce Lee's JKD "inspired by fencing and stuffs" straight lead was simply tagged-on window dressings to advertise a core technique he already long knew and practiced.