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A 1-minute video released by the University of Cambridge sets the record straight on a much misunderstood concept - how wings lift. I start by giving the wrong explanation and asking who has heard it and every time 95% of the audience puts their hand up. Only a handful will know that it is wrong.Professor Holger BabinskyIt's one of the most tenacious myths in physics and it frustrates aerodynamicists the world over. Now, the Department's Professor Holger Babinsky has created a 1-minute video that he hopes will finally lay to rest a commonly used yet misleading explanation of how wings lift. "A wing lifts when the air pressure above it is lowered. It's often said that this happens because the airflow moving over the top, curved surface has a longer distance to travel and needs to go faster to have the same transit time as the air travelling along the lower, flat surface. But this is wrong," he explained. "I don't know when the explanation first surfaced but it's been around for decades. You find it taught in textbooks, explained on television and even described in aircraft manuals for pilots. In the worst case, it can lead to a fundamental misunderstanding of some of the most important principles of aerodynamics." To show that this common explanation is wrong, Holger filmed pulses of smoke flowing around an aerofoil (the shape of a wing in cross-section). When the video is paused, it's clear that the transit times above and below the wing are not equal: the air moves faster over the top surface and has already gone past the end of the wing by the time the flow below the aerofoil reaches the end of the lower surface. "What actually causes lift is introducing a shape into the airflow, which curves the streamlines and introduces pressure changes - lower pressure on the upper surface and higher pressure on the lower surface," clarified Holger. "This is why a flat surface like a sail is able to cause lift - here the distance on each side is the same but it is slightly curved when it is rigged and so it acts as an aerofoil. In other words, it's the curvature that creates lift, not the distance." Holger is quick to stress that he is far from the only aerodynamicist who is frustrated by the perpetuation of the myth: colleagues have in the past expressed their concerns in print and online. Where he hopes his video will help debunk the myth once and for all is by providing a quick and visual demonstration to show that the most commonly used explanation cannot possibly be correct. The original video, created by Holger a few years ago using a wind tunnel, has now been re-edited in high quality with a voice-over in which he explains the phenomenon as it happens. Holger's research focuses on the fundamental aspects of aerodynamics as they relate to aircraft wings, Formula I racing cars, articulated lorries and wind turbines. One of his visions is to design a wing that will enable aircraft to fly faster and more efficiently. Using a massive wind tunnel within the Department of Engineering, Holger and his team have been modelling the shockwaves that are created on aircraft wings and that restrict the plane's top speed. This video supported lectures Holger gave as part of a series of University of Cambridge Subject Masterclasses aimed at Year 12 school children: "It's important to put out this video because when I give this lecture to school kids I start by giving the wrong explanation and asking who has heard it and every time 95% of the audience puts their hand up. Only a handful will know that it is wrong." - See more at: www.eng.cam.ac....

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@connorkokora3014
@connorkokora3014 Месяц назад
I was really anticipating another paragraph of narration.
@PaulDowsettUK
@PaulDowsettUK 6 лет назад
It would be interesting to see the same experiment with a perfectly flat wing at the same AoA.
@makantahi3731
@makantahi3731 Год назад
same
@gustavgnoettgen
@gustavgnoettgen 6 дней назад
​@@makantahi3731 This
@tomterahedrob
@tomterahedrob 9 лет назад
Ahh 40 years later and I thought so!Thanks!
@txkflier
@txkflier 8 дней назад
If you don’t think a wing pushes the air down, how do you explain that fact that a propeller moves an airplane through the air? Do you really think it’s creating that much of a vacuum in front of the prop?
@davejones542
@davejones542 9 дней назад
Speeding up means lower pressure. Also the air hitting the bottom surface creates a reaction. So two ways the wing is lifted. It isnt complicated.
@christopheryellman533
@christopheryellman533 4 дня назад
The equal transit times debunked, yes. However, the statement "it's the curvature that creates lift" is still misleading, it seems to me. Take a flat board and move it through the air and it will generate lift if it has a positive angle of attack. It is the pressure differences that directly generate the lift. The curvature of the wing facilitates smooth air flow, which increases the efficiency of the airfoil.
@sacr3
@sacr3 9 дней назад
I dont know where people get the idea that the air meets up at the end, its silly. I also know that this isnt the only effect that allows planes to fly, its also the angle of the wing, the wind "strikes" and.pushes the bottom of the wing on an upward angle, forgot what the effect is called but its something you can mimick outside a window
@iainmackenzieUK
@iainmackenzieUK 2 дня назад
well I dont think its silly. I understood it to be this way - if they dont meet up, then there would be a vacuum which is not possible. But in fact (according to my understanding now) there is turbulent flow at the end. - not silly - just misunderstood..
@BennyCFD
@BennyCFD 4 дня назад
LOLOLOLOLOLOL........Well duh, it does travel faster going over the wing, that's how it generates lift. It's called the Bernoulli principle. As velocity increases pressure decreases.
@graemejoyce5629
@graemejoyce5629 5 дней назад
Roofs are lifted in storms due to suction.. low pressure by the wind speed over the top. Not an extra force applied underneath .. a differential. Yes there is pressure from the wind on the underside of the wing, but you can see a vortex effect on the top as the wing gets thinner (sucky, suck, suck). The tilt on take off and lnding .. ground effect (rolling ball of air) .. fast flight- the underside is nearly flat. School 1sf physics: get a sheet of paper, hold front two corners, blow across the top = lift.
@rolandnelson6722
@rolandnelson6722 День назад
Why would anyone think the air did take the same amount of time? They are friends?
@borstenpinsel
@borstenpinsel 3 дня назад
This explanation is so silly. Like "hey bud, gotta go up, you gotta take the bottom part. But we'll meet at the other side at precisely 6:30 see you"
@fatcharlieuk
@fatcharlieuk 7 лет назад
I'd like to see the video at a less extreme angle of attack. An aircraft flying (or _trying_ to fly) at this high AOA would certainly be at the incipient stall stage. Maybew the buffeting we feel pre-stall is something to do with the differing arrival times at the trailing edge? show me a wing at a normal angle of attack and I'd be more convinced.
@marcmanchee
@marcmanchee 7 лет назад
fatcharlieuk, I agree. Can we see another video with a wing that is not entering a stall? That wing may still be generating a bit of lift but it doesn't appear to be at a very good AOA.
@rogeratygc7895
@rogeratygc7895 4 года назад
But it isn't stalled, and the high angle of attack increases the difference in speeds, making the point more clearly.
@rolandtamaccio3285
@rolandtamaccio3285 2 месяца назад
The end of the upper surface of the wing , or the end of the effective area , as seen by the flow separation ,,, ?
@josephinebennington7247
@josephinebennington7247 5 лет назад
Still not a simple sentence. Can we say that the aerofoil is A) sucked in a direction by reduced air pressure over the long curve, or pushed in a direction by the cushion it creates as its AoA simply must push air down? And....whether against or with gravity (up or down) is dependent on the tail plane doing a separate job?
@michaelpcoffee
@michaelpcoffee 8 дней назад
Lift is the air being accelerated downward; which accelerates the plane upwards. Simple newtonian physics.
@christopheryellman533
@christopheryellman533 4 дня назад
Agreed MPC. All this talk about wing shape is secondary. A well shaped airfoil smooths the flow, making the wing more efficient but not changing the root cause.
@mkk3a
@mkk3a 5 дней назад
Sooo... the air moving over the top surface is faster, so the pressure is lower, and the lift force is greater. So despite the small error in the common explanation, the overall concept is still true. Faster air movement → lower pressure → pressure difference → lift force Or am I still misunderstanding?
@blusheep2
@blusheep2 5 дней назад
That is how I took it. The end result of the experiment is that on the most crucial part of the upper surface of the wing, the flow of air appears to be almost twice as fast.
@johnciber844
@johnciber844 4 года назад
Motion (sails)/lift (wings) is mainly due to wind deflection to the stern (sails) / to down (wings). This ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-jhem8Z9ujPE.html shows that close-hauled motion is possible with NO wind on leeward side (thus no effect on that side).
@franksizzllemann5628
@franksizzllemann5628 Месяц назад
Nice illustration. It's kind of a shame the word "lift" was used way back. I agree with your view, you might like my illustration of lift and push: You lift your bag by the handle toward the overhead storage, when your elbow gets up to about shoulder height you reach under and push it the rest of the way. Ultimately I think the slightly lower pressure above imparts the ability to control flight, not to make it possible.
@TheNitramlxl
@TheNitramlxl 6 дней назад
holy moly.. if Cambridge published this nonsense 10y ago, i wonder whats the state these days 😮
@blusheep2
@blusheep2 5 дней назад
How do you figure its nonsense. Did our eyes deceive us?
@domonkosludvig3314
@domonkosludvig3314 Месяц назад
The upper stream doesnt speed up, rather the lower slows down.
@thespacemanfil
@thespacemanfil 9 дней назад
Or it's both
@domonkosludvig3314
@domonkosludvig3314 9 дней назад
No
@domonkosludvig3314
@domonkosludvig3314 9 дней назад
Im sorry, that wasnt a very nice answer. Pause at 0:57. Look at the lines. The upper stream is vertical and the bottom is diagonal. If the upper stream had any speed change it would be diagonal aswell. An airspeed speed-up at the top would mean the sand lines would rotate counter clockwise (or paralell to the bottom line), but they dont.
@Cheva-Pate
@Cheva-Pate 19 дней назад
In a wind-tunnel the air flow both side of the wing, in flight only the wing moves the air doesn’t do shit it just still!
@hilalbyklbozkurt3992
@hilalbyklbozkurt3992 3 года назад
Perfect!
@vlatkopopovski2685
@vlatkopopovski2685 2 года назад
The authors have two wrong scientific approaches: researching the creation of Lift force and Low pressure at upper side of the wing, relative to the ground surface and Earth. I explain the aerodynamic cavitation and existence of Lee side aerocavern, and creation of Aerodynamic force.
@seaman8296
@seaman8296 8 лет назад
i always said that the wing generates lift because it trows air down at the end ; the rounded surface at the top is only there to prevent airflow separation as it changes direction gradually
@alexlewis6442
@alexlewis6442 5 лет назад
bernoulli was incorrek (sudden gasp) REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
@cuongpq5422
@cuongpq5422 3 года назад
How to make smokes like that ??
@kwonekstrom2138
@kwonekstrom2138 3 месяца назад
It's in a high speed wind stream filmed using a high speed camera. Most likely method would be to use something akin to a fog machine. Obscurant is pumped onto a heating element to aerosolize. Theatre fog is similar density to air and won't move up/down rapidly.
@kenlew5612
@kenlew5612 7 лет назад
Thank you Dr. Babinsky for a brilliant explanation of how streamlines influence pressure changes resulting in lift on airfoils. This helped explained my research on standard vs KF airfoils which gained first place at a local science fair...Currently, in year 9 and hopeful Cambridge candidate in the future!
@reyanshshetty6889
@reyanshshetty6889 2 месяца назад
I had a question, why does it matter if the molecules reach the end of the airfoil at the same time, if the molecules at the top surface reach earlier, it would mean that they are faster and there by the lift force would be generated via bernoulli's principle.
@franksizzllemann5628
@franksizzllemann5628 Месяц назад
Look how the smoke lines are compressed together underneath 0:55 , the wing is riding on the compressed air underneath, not simply being sucked upward by low pressure. The top surface is what allows control. When the airflow over the top becomes disrupted by AOA for example the wing stalls, it loses control. The upper surface may provide a little "lift" but the lower surface provides "heft," so to speak.
@TheTruthKiwi
@TheTruthKiwi Месяц назад
​@@franksizzllemann5628So, we have been mislead when they say it's all the air above the wing "pulling" it up? It is pushing from below which seems more intuitive.
@bagnon
@bagnon 4 месяца назад
This demo doesn't create vacuum like a plane would.
@itsrupamm
@itsrupamm 8 месяцев назад
from edupoint
@TheTruthKiwi
@TheTruthKiwi Месяц назад
So does this mean that the moving air is pushing the wing up afterall?
@domonkosludvig3314
@domonkosludvig3314 9 дней назад
Only if the wing is at an angle like here... Otherwise lift on a wing shape is generated by the absence of pressure at the top, while pressure at the bottom stays relatively the same. So if the wing is not at an angle lift is because of the vacuum pulling from above, not the air pushing from below. Do note zhat when i say not at an angle, i say that the bottom side of the wing is paralell to the airstream, and the top is not. That angle on the top makes the vacuum and the lift. Sorry for the essay. Have fun imagining it! :)
@TheTruthKiwi
@TheTruthKiwi 9 дней назад
@@domonkosludvig3314 Do not apologise my friend, thank you very much for the explanation. I'm a bit dumb and am trying to get my head around it! 😂 So I'm guessing this method is much more efficient than air pushing the wing up from below? Also, can a stall occur when the lift is changing from pushing the wing up from below to vacuuming the wing up from above?
@domonkosludvig3314
@domonkosludvig3314 9 дней назад
Yes! Efficiency is what makes this shape powerful, you got it! Do you mean when the plane stops lifting its nose up? I would say it does not stall. I think when the angle of a wing changes, the flow of air stays the same above the wing, it does not stick to the surface, so if the wings are returned to a paralel state they do not experience a sudden and brief pressure from above, if thats what you were thinking, if not, please elaborate.
@zoozolplexOne
@zoozolplexOne Год назад
Cool !!!
@YashRaj-yu8pi
@YashRaj-yu8pi 3 года назад
didn't understand whether viscosity of air was taken into consideration in above demonstration as it seems different streams of air with smoke touches the wing.
@PaulDowsettUK
@PaulDowsettUK 6 лет назад
It would be useful to see the same streams unobstructed (without the aerofoil), to act as a control, to demonstrate whether the actual speed of the airstreams over and under the aerofoil increases and decreases respectively, or if it's simply relative to each other.
@david_porthouse
@david_porthouse Год назад
If you do this experiment in liquid helium, you will see that the equal transit time theory is correct. You will also see that there is no net lift. Repeat the experiment in liquid sodium. You will find that equal transit time theory is wrong, and net lift is produced. The moving hydrofoil produces a relative displacement of the fluid above and below it. If you follow this back to the place where the hydrofoil started, then you will find a starting vortex whose presence avoids an apparent issue with the conservation of mass. There is no such starting vortex in liquid helium, which is how I know that equal transit time will be correct.
@alans172
@alans172 Год назад
Can you post a link or reference to those experiments? My supplies of liquid helium and liquid sodium are running a bit low.
@david_porthouse
@david_porthouse Год назад
@@alans172 I'm making predictions. In liquid helium vorticity is quantised. A very slow hydrofoil will be below the quantum level and no starting vortex is produced. No starting vortex means equal transit time has to be true, but there is no net lift.
@alans172
@alans172 Год назад
@@david_porthouse The essence of a thought experiment (c.f. Einstein's gedankenexperiment) is that it can be imagined.
@david_porthouse
@david_porthouse Год назад
@@alans172 What can also be imagined in two dimensions is a quantised vortex in Brownian motion with the quantum and the kinematic viscosity having the same value. That's an entity which is arguably both a wave and a particle.
@alans172
@alans172 Год назад
@@david_porthouse Ha ha! And I thought for a moment you were trying to be serious. Nice one!
@terrywayneHamilton
@terrywayneHamilton 7 лет назад
What is important ; visualize the smoke and it does not deflect down. A propeller , a rotor blade , a fan all move air at 90 degrees from travel of blade this is a known event and supports Newton law of force ; however, the pressure difference is also measured as a dynamic event and thus can not be discounted . Air is sticky when in laminar format and a wing is always in line with flight vector of the incidents of cord of wing. This would support pressure difference of top to bottom of wing as primary event in lift with Newton Law of Reaction as a measurement of the pressure. Like gravity, it is not behaving as anticipated,,,,.
@RationalDiscourse
@RationalDiscourse 8 месяцев назад
0:42 I don't see that it "speeds up as it approaches the airfoil". If anything, it appears to lag behind the smoke in the undisturbed airflow at the top of the screen. If the air doesn't accelerate over the top of the wing, how can it generate the well established low pressure which generates the lift from the top surface?
@米空軍パイロット
@米空軍パイロット 3 месяца назад
If wings could actually create a net acceleration of air, they'd create thrust.
@RationalDiscourse
@RationalDiscourse 2 месяца назад
​@@米空軍パイロット a) Babinsky says they do and b) I don't think the video shows that, so how does your reply relate to my comment?
@米空軍パイロット
@米空軍パイロット 2 месяца назад
@@RationalDiscourse Let me tell you straight. You don't understand what you're looking at, and you forgot what you wrote 5 months ago. You shouldn't be surprised that the freestream airflow is outpacing the upper surface flow. If it were the other way around, the upper surface would be creating thrust.
@domonkosludvig3314
@domonkosludvig3314 6 дней назад
This comment is making me angry. You are throwing away a logical idea, because it sounds wrong. The upper surface does create thrust, its just expereinced as less drag. Think about it, if the wing is not moving, the upper surface is not gerenrating thrust, so no rules of the universe are broken. This is what makes a shape more aerodynamic. That thrust is real. Man i really need to publish a paper on aerodynamics, humans (except for me for some reason) are garbage at aerodynamics.
@RationalDiscourse
@RationalDiscourse 2 дня назад
​@@domonkosludvig3314 The upper surface does not generate thrust - it creates lift and drag. The thrust comes from the engine on a plane, gravity, or updraft on a glider, shaft torque in a propeller.
@alans172
@alans172 2 года назад
Bernoulli argument also debunked? Here's what I mean: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-rHidaQgBb-Y.html Is it possible that Prof. Babinsky has also debunked the Bernoulli argument as well? The argument that the low pressure above the wing is generated by the increased airspeed over the wing. From the frames at 0:42 onwards, it is quite clear that the air flowing over the upper surface of the wing has not speeded up. In all those frames, the wind over the top surface of the wing is moving at the same speed as the ambient air at the top and bottom of the screen. Is this a show stopper?
@rileybullen4961
@rileybullen4961 7 месяцев назад
The air stream closest to the upper surface of the wing has traveled a longer distance than the stream at the top of your screen. Yes they reach the trailing edge at the same time, however the stream just above the wing had to curve around the wing a travel farther in the same amount of time. Imagine those lines are strings and if you were to pull the string closest to the surface of the wing tight, it would extend farther than the rest of the strings.
@alans172
@alans172 7 месяцев назад
@@rileybullen4961 The smoke over the top of the wing arrives at the trailing edge AFTER the smoke the top of the screen. Pause the video at 0:47 where the smoke above the wing is nearly at the trailing edge. The smoke at the top of the screen has already passed the trailing edge. Take another cool hard look at that frame. They do not arrive simultaneously!
@singh2702
@singh2702 2 месяца назад
The airflow that is squeezed between the foil and atmospheric pressure , as it flows over the leading edge , is definitely accelerated by dynamic pressure. I'm talking about the flow that is closest to the upper convex surface i.e. the flow that hugs the upper shape. The flow above this region does not change in velocity. It's all available to see in the video , I'm not making this up , just slow the footage down. Flow just under the foil is slowed down so an increase in static pressure arises , hence thicker smoke flow in that region. Further below that velocity does not change. To recap , flow immediately above the foil is accelerated and flow immediately below foil is deaccelerated. Air flows that fall out of this domain are unaffected. From observation there is acceleration of fluid immediately above and fluid deacceleration immediately below , so there is a speed differential in fact. However this does not explain lift. Atmospheric pressure pushes down on the flow over the upper surface so it follows the shape of the foil. This flow , due to inertia(Newton's 1st law) , resists atmospheric pressure and so must be deducted from the total pressure above the foil. To further clarify , the resistance is due to the flow not wanting to change direction as it follows the rounded shape , just like centrifugal forces. This is how a pressure differential is achieved, which generates lift, not by Bernoulli but by Newton. Bernoulli accounts for the speed differential that occurs above and below the foil, Newton accounts for the pressure differential that occurs above and below the foil.
@alans172
@alans172 2 месяца назад
@@singh2702 Albeit for entirely different reasons, we agree that the Bernoulli Principle has nothing to do with the aerodynamic force (lift/drag). But can you cite a reference providing the mechanics behind the "Newton's Law" explanation? Using mass, momentum, density and velocity, can you show how a light C172 at 100 kts can generate the 10,000 Newtons to balance its 1,000 kg weight, or a B747 at 300 knots can generate the 5,000,000 Newtons of force to balance its 500,000 kg weight?
@singh2702
@singh2702 2 месяца назад
@alans172 Take the difference in pressure per square inch, which is very small BTW, and multiply it by how many square inches make up the surface area of the wings. Common sense. That's why low-speed aircraft have wings with large surface areas.
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