As much as i know when emin hit w.chang he was controlled by kernspecht.He was the main responsible and emin was just a soldier.Kernpecht would never risk loose.So he sent emin.If emin has lost he would say emin was just a student,if he won he would sy that his w.t. was better.Maybe i am wrong but this is classical strategy of "grand" masters.
1. Butting with the head. 2. Eye gouging of any kind. 3. Biting. 4. Hair pulling. 5. Fish hooking. 6. Groin attacks of any kind. 7. Putting a finger into any orifice or into any cut or laceration on an opponent. 8. Small joint manipulation. 9. Striking to the spine or the back of the head. 10. Striking downward using the point of the elbow. 11. Throat strikes of any kind, including, without limitation, grabbing the trachea.
I feel duped by the traditional arts I studied for so long. BJJ/MT/Boxing/Wrestling - made me an athlete in a couple of months and made me such a better martial artist. I think some of us want others to experience this???
As Tangkapan says it's not what you trained thats going to automaticly make you win. If you don't have the mindset you will loose. I trained with Emin once, he takes up the room. ( Not just cause you know about him, but you can feel that he has the "IT". To make him a great fighter ), If you want to compare arts, sports or styles, wich is better... Train them all and make it your own way of fighting. kajukenbo trains you for multiple attackers, but it's only you who can defeat them.
@ThisSentenceIsFalse Thank you for your thoughtful and intelligent dialogue. I agree with your point about irrelevant comments BUT I think one of the points you failed to address is how Emin's red T-Shirt and black trousers are representative of the 'Le Rouge et le Noir' (The Red and the Black) novel by Stendhal. I would like to see him recite this classic story whilst doing Chi Sau, until then I cannot accept him as a true Sifu of Wing Chun. I know you will agree with my analysis.
I agree. I used to love getting into flame wars over which martial art is better. Then I matured and realized, who gives a shit. Do what you want b/c you enjoy it. Let me use a car analogy. Toyotas and Hondas are more or less the best cars you can buy. Yet you still see plenty of people buying Pontiacs, Dodge, etc... Why wouldn't they just buy the best. It's the same price more or less. It's b/c most people don't care. They like to have choices and pick what attracts them.
12. Clawing, pinching or twisting the flesh. 13. Grabbing the clavicle. 14. Kicking the head of a grounded opponent. 15. Kneeing the head of a grounded opponent. 16. Stomping a grounded opponent. 17. Kicking to the kidney with the heel. 18. Spiking an opponent to the canvas on his head or neck. 19. Throwing an opponent out of the ring or fenced area. 20. Holding the shorts or gloves of an opponent. 21. Spitting at an opponent. Thats wHat you cant do in mma,thats alot if you ask me!
@makkho Do you train and compete in "mma" cage fighting? If you do,then you have to spend a lot of time working out,the cage is for professional athletes.If you have a daughter,and your worried about her safety and you had just a small amount of time to train her what would you do? WC is great for this type of situation,you can expect results that work in a small time frame,and no need to train like a professional athlete,most ppl don't have that time
@kommisar dirty techniques in bare knuckle fighting: forearm strikes, grabbing and striking, eye gouges, striking the back of the head, & spine, hammer fists, backfists, kicks to the knees and groin, stomping the feet. it's all right there.
@777ELDEMONIO well u see after chain punch there is an elbow follow up in wing chun but if u are leaning back and trying an elbow jab or a cross it is a mistake in my opinion.Switching to muay thai techs u mentioned before after a chain punch means giving up the base stance + follow up stance in wing chun. Also there is something like an inside low thai kick in my wc system (IKWTS) but going out with a normal thai kick is strictly forbidden. I respect the opinion tho..
@makkho What kind of cage do you fight in? Thats the question,I like to watch cage fighters,I respect their dedication.But,I fight in a different cage,a cage where anything can and will happen and the only rule is do or die.I remember watching UFC1 and thinking that many ppl left ground training out because they trained for stand up for a reason,in the real world,the ground fight is a transition phase to get up.To see where I'm coming from,read Ken Goods article,"Which Cage do you Fight in?"
People make mistakes, and you're not an exception. Cheung had it coming bc he was saying his Wing Chun style was superior/secret/taught by yip man and that everything else was "watered down"/modified (which the reality is probably opposite). Cheung also said he'd take on anyone who questioned it. 300 bare knuckle fights? I dont know about 300 but he probably got into alot in germany bc he was being bullied when he grew up. & when ufc came out there were alot of skeptics and haters.
mahartma. Eye gouges, neck stirkes, scratching etc are all deadly moves i agree. Very crucial for self defence. But u have to realise its not wise to totally rely on those moves. I mean, i can try to gouge a decent pro fighters eyes and neck but im pretty sure i wouldnt even get that close to him since he would be throwin lethal punches and kicks.
@mmagreat Yes,if your opponent don`t move till you find the right point ! I life in a very dangerous scene and my enemies are not so simple to touch like a partner in a demonstrate! Rather trust in LT-System,EBMAS or AK 47!
@SimulacronX That is a second truth.Most sifu when they fight real they become stief and so their art doenst work.But chi sao is for sure the state of the art.It is the moment of 0,009 of sec that u need chi sao by touching the enemy and only that moment.Then u need all the others.(footstep.chain punches...)If u want to test the sifu he should ask u to make whatever attack u like.That told me mine when i first went at shool and he hit me with respect just to see.
@Sevicer999 no its not its just forbidden to hit into the eggs ... neck and eyes thats all but wt practioner always say they cannot use wt because its forbidden to hit into the eggs ... neck and eyes ... wt doesn´t work against an average mma or ufc fighter
-If he is taller than you and/or has longer legs than you, he will be able to kick farther than you can kick without any travel. A longer stick can reach farther than a shorter stick. Simple physics. -The readiness of the wing chun stance that Emin takes is questionable because you can see that he also "steps" out of his stance before countering the "attack", which he saw coming, and was inappropriate for that range anyway.
@SimulacronX In some points i agree.It is truth that too much time is spended in tsi sao.Normal that time sould be the 1/3 of the time,but many times a week if possible.It is not a train that need hours but time.U actually reprogramm your human body behavior and unfortunately that doesnt happen soon.That is why many people have wrong opinion and their sifus should tell the truth.Also there are few of practikers that can use shi sao in real fight.
@777ELDEMONIO well i did muay thai for 2 years and i've switched to wc and been doin it for 3 months and i think lots of people are right..muay thai uses theory of roundness for punches and kicks while wc goes in a straight hitting fashion... even the stances are too different from one another.U cannot mix muay thai with wing chun IMO u gotta use and stick to one during a fight
@ebmasdan92 thats where you prefer WT over MMA :-) people who love to go to teh ground, die very fast on the streets where the attacker often has friends.
he knows what he is talkin about and wouldnt teach something thats use less and he shows what other martial arts would do and how to defend against them cs he actually has said to me, 'what am i going to achieve by putting my students in danger' he wants his students to work and become better than him like every non selfish sifu would do and if they dont then they obviously has issues
Joe Rogan says that but Machida says differently and Machida is proving his point. I dont have anything against mma but ppl are mistaken. Besides the early UFC was good because it showed the necessity for groundfighting (which no 1 knew) but if you look at the rules and reg's of the game, it favors Sport oriented arts such as MThai, Wrestling, and BJJ. Most arts favor dirty fighting, so it would be watered down in the ring. Do you think Muay Boran would work well in the UFC? Probably not.
@konerath You got to love this emin. His supporters say he teaches real street fightin, not ring fighting. Then my question would be these - why is he teachin his students how to beat ring fighters such as thai boxers and boxers? - if he says his methods can easily beat them, why not step into the ring and prove it? lol.
@ebmasdan92 but listen when i say wt worked better for them than muay thai i dont mean muay thai doesnt work....the art is only as gud as the fighter using it
@OakIslandBandit yeah I agree. although I'm pretty sure you just got trolled by a 13 yr old LOL. But yeah Biu Jii and Chum Kiu = go for eyes and throat. Fight however you want so you can win. especially if outnumbered you HAVE to go for easy vital targets, and quickly.
MMA fighting is about muscles and cardio. They don't allow anything effective that wing chun would provide. Kung Fu is self defense anyway, you wouldn't be against MMA fighters in everyday self defense.
@SimulacronX Look at them where??In a ring with rules,no surprise factor,7 hours aday train,5-6 years life,Big money and gumble,taking medicine to feel less pain,no weapons.....Great athletes but real?As i believe reality is relative!!
I don't think that he would ever be able to 'jam' a leg kick in his entire life of trying from now till he died. It's a totally different thing to tell a guy to kick at your knee with a lame front kick, and then the MOMENT you see him move, move toward him. Than to actually sit there trying not to be taken down, Punched in the face or body, or Kicked in the head body or leg, and when he ...Message continued on another reply.
@kommisar You didn't say "not at all commom" you said "Don't consist"! 'Trained athletes are in a far great position' 'Not a direct result of deliberate skill' So how are they in a far great position?
A lot of commentators seem to miss the point of this clip. They go off on some other irrelevant tangent or dismiss the thing completely without addressing the details of what has been said...or like me, waste one's time criticizing the quality of criticism knowing full well that this is RU-vid and not conducive to relevant, point by point criticism. As for me, the magnetic zone concept, preparation and circle step entry, range analysis, and wedge pressure ideas have been pretty useful.
And when I mean "comment" I really mean "talk shit". Boztepe is good, so are many other Martial Artists. People should be grateful that Martial Artists are willing to share some knowledge with the general public. Meanwhile, in general, stupid people just put vids down because they dont get it and the material is alien to them.
@makkho why do all mma fans have to be so disrespectful to all other martial arts....and another thing if you are so enthusiastic about mma why dont you spend ur time training instead of comin on 2 wt vids talkin shit........and hey emin has done more than just wt muay thai he did for years but wt worked for him...i know people who have done other arts like muay thai but think wt works best for them ...but listen i love mma i love watching it its my fav sport :)
Street fight is verry diferent from ring or octagon fight. Like a USA marine once told: if you put me in the octagon against Randy Coture he would probably win the fight, but if you put me on the street with him i would probably kill him.
It is bad for ALL wing chun families to keep rehashing that incident,I am not TWC nor Leung Ting lineage,...it makes us (wing chun family) look bad all around !
@makkho I'm aware what Emin built his whole image on,very close to what the Gracies did.In real life situations,egos fly out the door,including his with yours.I've been down on the ground in a life and death situation,more damage was done to me from my attacker's girlfriend with her high heel shoe than he did,that was just 1 case.There's NO such thing as a "normal self defense situation",flush your head gear out son,this is not about tap outs,this is about survival,a mindset you lack
@Tangkapan Sorry to answer to such an old post. Anyway, you don't know what you are talking about. I've done sparring with Boztepe years ago and know how talented, quick and powerful he is. But his Wing Chun technique is very poor, the reason being his ego is so big that he stopped training with a master a long time ago. And about him never being defeated...any witnesses of his 300 plus fights? Has he beaten up any famous fighter (please don't mention that joke called William Cheung)?
@GonG108 When I was in EWTO everybody knew that Salih Avci was better than Emin at ground fighting (Emin is quite poor, must be said). They both are very talented athletes, shame their technique is bad. There are so many good masters around the world, they could have learned a lot from different Wing Chun families. As I said in another post , they have too big an ego and not enough love for Wing Chun.
MMA/UFC fighters DO train a certain skill set. They're elite level athletes who are competing with other elite level athletes. Hence, they only train the fundamentals of the sport: kickboxing and submission wrestling (both of which are individual sports themselves). Y do u think unorthodox fighters have or had such an advantage overs other ufc fighters? (liddel: kempo, machida: shotokan, etc) Because traditional fighters break the mold. It's about quality of execution not quantity or style.
@SimulacronX Even now after 7 years he keeps training me without tell me how to attack him.I do box,kicks,try to wrestle..Anyway u probably got bored of me.Find a good shool and i am sure if u are patient that u ll change your mind.If not no problem again.A last comment about boxing.Great sport but have u ever tried kick first a boxer before get near??Do it proper and u ll be surprised.Whatever u do keep training!!!Peace
I know all the UFC rules I love the UFC, or just any mma, but none of the rules prevent you from 'jamming' a kick and then capitalizing. I don't think it's hard, I think it can't be done. What he's doing here is Completely different, Someone could just superman punch him in the head. Super man punch being a Kick, that is suddenly changed into a Face punch. -An example of how fast things really are, You can't Blink when a pitcher throws a ball, or else you'll actually miss the ball.
@makkho "arguments that mma isn't effective",no arguments here,it is effective,Wing Chun was the mma of it's day,the costs were so much more back then."you can't go to the ground on the street is idiotic",If you're my back-up,and you choose to go to the ground with a threat,you're risking not only yours,but mine and other lifes of your team because we'd have to bail your ass out of a bind." mma better takedown defense than wc fighter",of course,thats what they train for,the ground.
i gotta ask u sumtin if u are in a fight on a street against more dan 1 person and u try and put dem in an armbar d other fella is jus gonna start standin on ur head....however arm bars are great in mma which is a sport not on d street!
Ughh, I'm not going to join the ranks of "keyboard warriordom" nor am I going to practice keyboard-fu. I've had to explain this so many times to people who dont know what they're talking about. Machida's style is Shotokan, Sumo, and BJJ. Everything else he learned in order to know how to defeat it (and he's been successful). I'm not saying any ufc styles are ineffective. In fact, all logic based styles are effective when performed properly (speed power timing accuracy precision etc.)
@romanazazel I dont see why emin teaches his students how to beat mma fighters wheh none of them have the guts to enter the ring. Let me guess....emins students think they will encounter mma guys in the street? lol :p
"Emin is a coward! He attacked william cheung while he turned his back! what a cowardly act!" Hahahahahahahahahaha! Who told you that? I saw what happened. He said are you ready? here I come 1, 2, 3 and then bang - William Cheung was on the floor getting his face pounded. Real stuff...
Instead of people putting down styles on youtube (many of which only know of what they see on tv or online) why not concentrate on being proficient in your own style and continue learning about other styles? It's ridiculous how many youtubers talk shit on these walls. It's ignorant and narrowminded.
@kommisar wait, what am i doing? i don't have to justify my training to you. if you don't see this is a legitimate fight training, that's all the better, because you won't ever cultivate these skills. go ahead and dismiss it as useless, you troll.
@makkho " bc here. we're comparing wc and mma from the fighting technical standpoint only",I'm not comparing,you are,WC works better for some people,cage fighting works for others,your missing my point,REAL MMA is not sport,what you call "mma" is just cage fighting with rules.The guys who train with people like "Progressive Combat Solutions" are the real MMA
I find it funny how everyone who takes a few lessons in MMA think that they can fight just as well as an MMA champion, who is an elite level athlete. It's also funny that these MMA followers have nothing better to do then talk shit on youtube and forums about how everything sucks except what they practice. Meanwhile the ppl who are actually good at it and have some class, respect other Martial Arts but train hard in their own (not waste there time commenting on every youtube MA video).
just dont acknowledge his existance n he'll shut up. trust me he will continue for a few more days (a week at the most) but if evryone from now one just ignores his comments he'll stop. even if he ask you anything u related just dont waste ur time cause he's no one thats worth it.
@makkho Your ,you've gone from a pro "mma" argument that in your mind is superior to WC,or anything outside of your limited scope to that of weapons,"do you own a bazooka"and using that argument from a stance of weakness Make up your mind,or,better yet,wake up your mind and stop with the childish tap-out crusade.Emin has some good skills,like any man,he also has his weakness,I've sparred with him,have you?I also don't put him on a pedestal.I've stated the kind of ppl I train with,have you?
@makkho Yes,I live in a war zone.Your state of mind would be "paranoic",which would shut your body down.Situational awareness is a different state of mind than the word your looking for,I think in your simple mind you mean paranoid.Your attempts at sarcasm about 100 terrorists is very weak,the safety of my daughter would be more in question at the university in São Paulo than here. I don't bash your cage sport,your job is to insult other systems Brazil
"get real about multiple opponents: saying that ANY art would prevent you from being beaten,no certain "art" will prevent anything.Your UFC/MMA proves my point.Is your version of "mma" what you see in the sport cage?? The REAL MMA of today involves H2H,firearms and situational awareness on how to escape or destroy multiple opponents,anything else is nothing but sport.Your just as guilty of weapon limitations that you accuse these people of.I'd welcome YOU,the "mma" representive to come get some
Wow, you used the word "bullshido" and referenced a tv show: my point exactly. I'm not trying to get into an online comment sparring match on youtube. I'm trying to inform people like you but its apparent that most ppl who comment are narrowminded. Your comments on mock fighting, machida, and dirty moves shows how little you know about other MA's. & who's bragging about dirty moves? I'm tired of explaining. All I hear on every wall basically comes down to saying "my style is better than yours".
hehe u dont know how brutal material arts like these are in reality u cant say from ANY video in the internet how it is because first : they punch where it doesnt hurt much ( breast ) and they dont punch strong. and there are techniques u cant usw because their to dangerous done right so informe urself before u make jaundices
@makkhoBrazil "Do you see emin teaching how to survive a nuclear holocaust".Your taking it to the extreme,which shows a closed mind.Besides,I had my NBC training from others."he's teaching fighting principles",good for him,you're defending sport,does your training teach you what you limits are within the street (not cage)law? You're just as blind as the people who went into the cage with no ground skills.I'll give you a break,don't expect to get one in a real life fight,there are none
