@@AkronRain69 Well yes, he was Aegon's and Helaena's, making him Alicent's grandson (twice over), one would think just as devastating a loss. And yes, Aegon has to die for Nyra's claim. The problem is not that statemant. It's that they used 'son for a son', which is heavily assosiated with the Luke-Jaehaerys situation (hence the name of s2e1), and that Alicent didn't reacted to that. It's not like they really talked about it in the Sept back some eps ago.
Literally everyone either read the books or watched the RU-vid videos anyway. My cousin straight asked me for spoilers and said she's watching anyway lol
@@wilmaso they've deviated from plenty of things. It's not exactly a 1:1 comparison. But yes they're consistent with a lot of the major events from those books. They're only spoilers if you know what happened. If this were an original story, everyone would be calling those "future events" foreshadowing instead. All perception.
Yeah, Book Alicent and S1 Alicent are crying rn. Crazy how a character can go from S-tier to F-tier in one season. A lot of others have had massive downgrades like Daemon, Corlys, Helaena ... But she was by far the worst
I believe Cole is right, all are Corrupt because no one is perfect we all make mistakes and decisions we regret, good men and women lie, cheat, steal, etc they give into a desire that in the moment seem inconsequential. And we use the severity of another’s offense to minimize our own to maintain our honor. “Well this person committed adultery while I only lied about who I was with.” At a moments notice we can give in, we’re only human. Then a few minutes later we get a scene talking about how some innocents must be lost and both Rhaenyras and Jace appear with the belief it is an unavoidable and necessary evil. Everyone is corruptible. And if Jace shouldn’t be king for that line neither should Rhaenyras
I use to sympathize with Alicent but she's fast become one of my most hated characters in tv. She is responsible for this. All his life Aegon said he didn't want to be King, the day his father died he wanted to run away but Alicent sent Criston & Aemond to fetch him and forced him to inherit. He was, surprisingly, an ok king he wanted to come a a peaceful solution with Rhaenyra, he won over the small folk, and he spent most of his time doting on his son... the same son that was viscously, brutally murdered because Alison wanted to bang Ser Criston when he was on duty. It's more on Criston but she's definitely partially responsible, despite that tho and visiting his room seeing was distraught she showed him no empathy at all and instead later on told him he should know his place and be the puppet king everyone wants him to be. Which, well, lead to him feeling the need to prove his worth... and now he's disfigured, crippled, his closest friends have been sent to the wall, his brother wants to kill him and that same "mother of his" is making plans to have him executed. I genuinely hate this character, she's one of the worst mothers I've ever seen in a series (although, not THE worst) and a painfully hypocritical person. I wonder how different things could've been if she had, for once in his life, shown her oldest boy some empathy... maybe she could've tempered his rage but left to himself he stewed and boiled over, and now she's going to have him killed. I don't even really like Aegon, but this is sick, but the worst part is how the writers are presenting this as some sort of powerful thing like I'm suppose be proud of her for making he own choices or whatever, as if she didn't plot with her husbands council to usurp his throne. Anyway nice reaction, and sorry for the rant.
which is of course all ridiculous nonsense you just made up out of thin air. alicent didnt do anything. the Greens were plotting without her. if not for her intervention, the Greens would have sent knives to dragonstone as their first move, not a peace deal. and they would have won in a day. not sure why you'd want that. if Aegon doesnt come back, they crown Aemond instead and Aemond wins the war in a week. not sure why you'd want that. " she showed him no empathy at all " he didnt deserve any at the time. he was being a brutal horrible king for no good reason. you falsely claim he wanted to come to a peaceful solution but that is not what we are shown and told. we are shown and told the only Green who wanted that was alicent. the rest wanted to burn everything in sight. on told him he should know his place and be the puppet king everyone wants him to be. Which, well, lead to him feeling the need to prove his worth..." what? no. she didnt want him as a "puppet". she wanted him to listen and learn to people older and wiser than he is, and learn how to be a king before he starts trying to be one. viserys even literally says otto showed him how to be king, which means for the first idk how many years of his life, he didnt know. she is a wonderful mother. certainly not a bad or "one of the worst".
basically you demand that a mother do nothing to stop their horrible kid. just coddle them and tell them its alright, even when its not. good mothers tell hard truths. if Jace was a brutal horrible thug, yes i hope to god that Rhaenyra would try to rein hjim in and get him back in line by telling him, "dont do anything until you learn how to be a good guy"
Alicent lead us to war, and now she refuses to defend her family? And y’all cheer? Heleanna having to fight is just inevitable. The enemy has 8 dragons. They will die if they lose the war. Aemond is right, as foolish as he is, their wishes don’t matter anymore. They are fighting for survival now.
Now Alicent is the one to blame here? Everyone took part on this, and Aegon was gonna be crown as king whether Alicent liked it or not. Rhaenyra just claimed a son for a son even tho Jaehearys died already, one son for two sons? Yeah, that surely won't lead us to a war.
It is obvious but Alicent and Helaena are people who are not intelligent whatsoever, they dont know anything, if they live and escape the blacks will kill them anyway wherever they are at any time but they think they can do it hahaha, any resistance to the blacks will be destroyed either by Rhaenyra or anyone in the blacks, the greens are doomed if they dont fight back as much as the blacks are.
@@SR-jr5nh as if she didnt conspire to crown Aegon, or make her daughter marry him to become queen. She put them in positions they never wanted, and she just dips when everything comes crashing down? Yeah id say she's to blame and a biiig part, im not saying all of it but she did play a huge role in this
@theguardianslair529 She did not conspire to make Aegon king, at least in the show. She knows about it in the green councils, whose members were going to make Aegon king anyway. They never explained why her daughter is married with his brother, at any point. Aegon did wanted to remain king after his coronation where we saw the folks cheering for him. And she didn't dip, she did what would cause less deaths, she has no dragons, what else is she supposed to do appart from surrendering the castle and trying to avoid the war. And I am a big Aegon fan.
Not a spoiler - just my take - "wooden throne" is most likely just an acknowledgement that Aegon's injuries are such that they are incompatible with sitting on an Iron Throne - that he'll be like his father sitting on a wooden wheelchair.
31:05 Wrong sorry. All wars aren't just fought by soldiers. Innocents die in every war and their Lords and Kings are the ones that decide that by becoming the opposition. Innocents die every day w/o war. War just makes it more likely and sudden. Don't hold onto naive thoughts that everyone can be saved. Aemond destroyed a city/town out of spite, not because of any strategy, but b/c he felt weak and vulnerable. The same reason that Cheese kicked his dog. He didn't have anyone else to pick on so he goes lower to find it.
Don't apologize for all your comments - it's what makes your Channel special. MOREOVER - it's nice that you pause and think things through. Nothing is more annoying than people who talk over the Lines and then as a result ... miss obvious points and get things backwards. Often when your first impression is wrong - it is rewarding to see you work it out and correct yourself on the spot. You are a Treasure - I am totally new to your Channel, because I don't follow most of what you watch - anime and the such, where I enjoy movie reactions. But so far yours is the best HoTD reaction I have seen. In the words of Corlys .... Well done.
When Rhaenyra asked Alicent what would she do about her taking Aegon's head, Alicent shakes her head crying and Rhaenyra starts crying too because she understands that's a yes. It was worldess but understandable.
The final episode DAEMON is his visions, The Three-Eyed Crow 🐦⬛ , Winter is Coming White Walkers , Rhaenyra on the Iron Throne. This whole episode prepares us for a Grandiose season 3 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🐉
maybe a wooden throne b/c he’s too deformed to sit on the iron throne, with all its sharp edges Alicent & Rhaenyra are forgetting its not just Aemond & Aegon that would have to be killed.. also Daeron & probably Otto too. they’ll all conspire against Rhaenyra forever. Haelena is probably ok, but her surviving children Jaehaera & Maelor might grow up resentful that their brother & father where murdered for Rhaenyra. Alicent is subconsciously forgetting all that i think. great reactions btw!
53:34 yes, they all need to be gone for her line to be unchallenged. Cause it might not be Aegon, but can she trust Aegon's children? And his grandchildren?? Asoiaf's history proves it when the blackfyres challenged the crown for generations
has Alicent said , Aemond gone , Haleana is the crown , she can tell ppl to do stuff. and they will actually follow , because dragons , if haelena say she can't or won't fight and that the crown surrender , then they got no choice .
yeah , Rhaenyra doesn't have much choice she time and time again tried to avoid conflict , you saw that all season long , she thought having more dragons would force the opposition to surrender , it has not , in fact Aemond burned civilian from her side for it ... She has to go to war , and she is aware of the death that will cause , TBF she would have given up on the throne if it wasn't for the Prophecy . and the thousand that would die she refers to the mens that will fight in the war , not the innocent , she is considering them too . but if she doesn't fight innocent will die too .
@@Very-old-man Selling your kids after YOU made a mistake is NOT understandable! She's beyond disgusting and deserves everything that's gonna come her way!
@@100EmotionalDamage Otto was right. They would have usurped the throne either way. It was inevitable. If your kid was a serial killer psychopath you would out them too.
@@Very-old-man Nibba she was poisoning their minds and grooming them to hate Rhaenyra and her kids way before season 1 episode 8 tf are you talking about bro.
Silverwing wouldn't just bond with another rider tho,they'd have to kill ulf...a dragon will not bond or take another rider while their rider is still alive....
YES , she have to , it's because of the way it is , the falk and lords wouldn't take it well that she'd spare the opposition , also the opposition could try stuff again later or during the next gen ... she must take Aegon and Aemond too tbh heads , sucks to be the crown , sucj to be ppl of power in these settings , you are well fed , but you have to uphold a stature and have responsibilities (if you are with honor)
my predictions for next seasons- 1. Team black takes kings landing. 2. Aegon has escaped so Rhaenyra thinks Alicent lied to her about sacrificing him. But Alicent vows she will find him and plots war against Aemomd to gain back the trust of the queen. 3. Helaena becomes best friends with Rhaenyra. 4. Alys starts torturing Aemond in Harrenhal. Daemon was redeemed through the visions but Aemond won't be because he is the true villain. 5. Aegon is finally found and brought to King's landing. Rhaenyra executes both him and Larys for treason. 6. Aemond is finally defeated and drowns himself with vhagar in the God's eye. 7. Rhaenyra reigns happily with King Consort Daemon and 2 Queen Consorts Alicent and Mysaria.
Like its so crazy to say you aren't good at politics and then start screaming about Rhaenyra wanted Aegon's head when OF COURSE he has to die. Like wtf are you talking about?
@@derikk3215 Except he isn't. Even if they kill him, Aemond is the next in line, and after that is Daeron. As long as there is a male successor, the greens' claim stands! Rhaenyra has to kill all of them not just Aegon!
@@100EmotionalDamage There's an argument for that. But only Aegon actually sat on the throne and proclaimed himself king. So there is no doubt about needing to take his head for all to see.
@@derikk3215 The ONLY way she can rule this divided realm is to keep Aegon alive and make him and all his supporting lords bend the knee to her. Killing him alone would not change anything! The hightowers will raise up his brothers as king!
Book: Team Black vs Team Green Series: Rhaenyra, Daemon, Jace, Alicent, Aegon, Helaena, Larys vs Aemond Agreed, writers needs to be fired (especially Sara Hess)
I agree with you on the Rhaenyra and Alicent scene: Rhaenyra seems to cling to be the "strong leader" and put a final end to the opposition. It seems like Otto's warning (she going to kill your children) would be coming true, whereas Alicent spoke out against killing Rhaenyra. People could argue as much that Alicent started it all, but I'm not sure of that, sure she played a role, but she was not the only one and she is aware of her misstakes. I'm sure all the "righteous" viewers who condemn her are without misstakes themselves. I, myself can't help but feel for Alicent; in Jaime's words: we don't choose who we love.
I absolutely love how Ulf doesn't have a care in the world. He was strarving and living in poverty in Kings Landing partly because of Rhaenyra's blockade. Then they just threw him and the other dragon seeds in front of the fiercest dragon at Dragonstone without instructions knowing very well he would most likely die. By chance he happened to claim a dragon and now they expect him to be a warrior, with honour and etiquette who cares about their concerns and politics. He owes them nothing, Silverwing was hardly "theirs" and I think it makes perfect sense he just wants to live it up now that he "matters" for the first time in his life.
In the books there are 2 more wild dragons at Dragonstone… hope they will include them… but maybe not. Cause they were part of the Dragon-Seed storyline… so maybe they aren’t showing up. Would be sad, cause one of them is the baddest fkr ever
no she didnt. you made this up to try and make her look bad. how is it cowardice to choose what you believe is the right side, even if its against half your family?
She has to kill her half siblings otherwise the realm / the ppl against her will see her as weak and try to instal them against her. That is the harsh truth
Yeah as much as if Aegon has her, he will have to kill her but Allicent is a toad and a traitor, evil mother and Rhaenyra shouldnt ask a mother to help her to kil all her sons that shit is fucking evil.
What evil, they have already burned thousands of people on their dragons. Someone's fathers of children. The least one can ask for is the death of just one son.
lmao standing up for Helaena than selling out Aegon. Wow did this show do Alicent dirty just to make the greens look much worse while making the blacks look good at every turn.
@@drakeross9571 For their characters compared to the books? Yeah, they ruined Rhaenyra. At least she was interesting in the books now she is just bland. However, the only character among the blacks that gets blamed for any wrongdoing is Daemon. Rhaenyes killed her own people, nobody mentions it. Rhaenyra killed 70 bastards who are her own people, nobody mentions it. Aegon kills rat catchers suddenly all the smallfolk and his own family mention it. Almost like the showrunner is trying to tell us something.
This episode and the dumb conversation to end the season has made it blatantly clear that the writers WILL NOT hold Rhaenyra and the Blacks responsible or to the same standard they will for Alicent and the Greens. "A son for a son." Excuse me um do you not remember that your husband had a prince killed at the beginning of the season. Corlys has completely forgotten that Rhaenyra is responsible for both the death of his son and wife. The red sowing and the starving of the people of Kings Landing completely ignored. Rhaenyra is good and hold no responsibility, Alicent is bad and holds all of it and that is it. She will also apparently let her brother, father and sons die to save herself and her daughter. Bullshit.
The Gods Eye is right near Harrenhall. So you know what’s gonna go down. A one on one showdown between the two most compelling characters in the series. You already know their name. And the two most vicious dragons in the series 😏.
They turned Alicent into an idiot this episode, last season she stood between a dragon and her son to protect him. Now she’s willing to let her children, her family and her lover die because of, reasons?
So sad we didn't get a battle or super turnt twist. Time to forget this series exists until next season XD. That hair style looks great on you by the way.
Love your reactions to House of the Dragon episodes. Also and maybe it's just me but you and Jenna Ortega have very similar sounding voices. Pretty cool
Rhaenyra has to kill him there is no good person in war she needs to do it or people will see her as weak and won’t accept and another rebellion will happen 😅 she’s right 🤷🏾♂️
Ryan Condal has made the same mistakes that D&D made. It's like HBO learned nothing from that Game of Thrones disaster! Deviating from the book and changing characters' arcs and events just to serve some messed up narrative! I love this world, and it's heartbreaking to see it getting destroyed bit by bit like that.
@@drrohanjacob It is insulting. look at this episode for instance. Alicent defending Helaena against Aemond as if she changed (taking Aegon prior scenes in mind) just to later sell out Aegon, her son at the end of the episode. Funny stuff.
Sadly, the path you want her to take is not the right path. Don’t get me wrong out of all the characters I sympathize with Aegon the most and he has becomes one of my favorite in this series, but you cant have him stay alive because that will always divide the realms of who should be the rightful heir. She literally needs to eliminate all opposition! And of course Alicent would let her kill her son for Helena.
Aemonds weakness is humiliation. Hes doomed because of that. If he surrenders then he will be humiliated until he dies. And if he goes to war he will die. He has no choice.
Lohar is introduced as a man. "His name is Lohar. The sailors are fiercely loyal to him." But she's clearly a woman. YOU refer to her as a woman. But, the character is a man. What am I missing?
I will say this felt like the first time the writers actually wrote adult Rhaenyras right, they spent so much time writing her as this altruistic righteous person, claiming doesn’t want the throne but the betterment for the people, but in reality she does want the throne. She is petty still clinging to a son for a son when in theory that has been paid whether by her order or Daemons, she claims she does it for the Realm and that may be what she wants to believe it’s for but there is some selfishness Sprinkled in. It was Aegon who didn’t want the authority, who drank himself into nothing because he never felt the love of his father. Who when given power hearing Viserys changed his mind finally felt loved by his father and I believe that is why he had not all this happened wouldn’t have gotten bored but would have raised to the challenge and honor the memory of Viserys among the people, until his son was killed. Don’t get me wrong he has many flaws still
It was Aegon was is also a rapist. All these people are fucked. Only reason I prefer Rhaenyra for the crown to Aegon is Aegon's immense incompetence because he was not prepared well for rule the way Rhaenyra was.
And why is that? There’s a difference between bad writing and writing choices you don’t like. S7,8 made yall forget the importance of slowburns, setups and payoffs, yall complained in GoT that things are too rushed and now say this is boring and bad written.
@@clashcitycretin10 quite literally the opposite. This season reeked of season 8 contrivances. Season 1 had so much better storytelling and just flat out logic. The strikes 100% affected this season.
@@igoonx15no, the logic of the characters are just bad, because the writers are forcing bad themes into the story. Alicent showing up to dragon stone is illogical. Full stop.
The amount of whitewash for main female heroines is beyond belief comparing to book. They were egoistical, cunning and cruel in the original - and because of that much more interesting (of course the final scene was completely fabricated - and was impossible in the original). If GoT had several villainesses or complex heroines - it seems nowadays they lost any will to portray women more realistically.
I would strongly advice anyone that enjoyed that whitethree sequence to remember that all those mysterious and cool looking plot points literally GO NOWHERE.
The hypocrisy between both sides is evident but my thing here was that.. it could have been avoided a long time ago with an EYE FOR AN EYE but rhaenyra thought that was too much and wouldn’t allow it and even Alicent cooled down after and said she didn’t want that. But Rhaenyra is completely cool now with forcing Alicent to choose a SON FOR A SON even though they already killed a damn baby. Both sides suck.
@@ExaileWalter my thing is, the king is basically done. It’s Aemond that deserves the axe, 100% because of everything he’s done. That’s the true opposition and he needs to be dealt with. I don’t think Alicent would even argue against that either. Though she wouldn’t outright give her conscent because that’s still her son. Rhaenyra making her agree to her sons death just to save her daughter and herself was cruel.
I think the main reason Rhaenyra didn't do it 1 by 1, is because as soon as the first one dies, the rest would flee. It's like inviting another high-born person to claim a dragon after Ser Steffon died. No one would agree to it.
So she killed innocent people. Huh I wonder why no one in the show mentioned it. Almost like the writers try to slip anything Rhaenyra and Raenyes do under the rug unlike what they do to the greens. They ruined what made the book so interesting.
@@khaalmalki4039 Agreed, she knew most of them would die. But I think that's why she didn't do it 1 by 1. As soon as the first one dies, there no way anyone would try.
@@khaalmalki4039YOU LITERALLY DID NOT CLEAN YOUR EARS RHAENYRA WARN THE DRAGONSEEDS THAT IT MAY LEAD TO THERE DEATHS IN ATTEMPTING TO CLAIM A DRAGON DUHHH...CLEAN YOUR FUCKING EARS SO YOU DONT BECOME A DUMB HEARING PERSON .
@@Skywater101did you not hear the Part Rhaenyra saying that it may lead to "a Certain Death in Attempt to Claim Dragons " some people here are not taking notes properly.
@@mikered1974 No, you're absolutely right! She didn't force any of them. They knew the risks. All I was saying is that she couldn't it 1 by 1, coz as soon as the first person dies, the rest might lose their nerve. Yes, you're right, they all knew the risks, she didn't lie to them. And yes, @khaalmalki4039 is also right, she knew most of them wouldn't make it I'm struggling to understand the hostility, since it doesn't seem like we disagree.
