WIYB Vise Grinding Taft Peirce Grinding 

Awesome work Tom! It was great seeing the vice I built in the skillful hands of two grinding masters!

Hey, just throwing this out there guys and gals. The man I learned from taught me (over 20 years ago) that our hands are best suited to nicely clean a metal surface. The oils in our hands will pick up the pesky bits that a rag can't get. Mind, I am pretty old. It has always worked for me. If you 'Listen to your hands' , you would be amazed at what you can feel. Nice grind boys. Keep it up!

Nice work. I came from Abom79 to see every step I can of the making of this vise. 👍👍 Awesome video buddy

"just grind the f*^/*^/" got to love Stan. great to have the depth of grind and step over details , helps us newbies a lot.

I miss grinding :( I used to work as a toolmaker in the injection mold field. Making slides and grinding angled blank-off faces was fun. Not much left of that industry around here anymore.

That was a great video, I would just like to make a point, its at least 45 years now since I did grinding in the toolroom, I remember we first rough ground with the full width of the wheel, (pink 46 grit) and on the final finishing pass we first relieved the back end of the wheel leaving about 1/4 inch of wheel for grinding the surface, the idea was to eliminate heat build up, we used Jones and Shipman 450s with power feed on vertical head,

Cool to see each step in the process here. Thank you Tom. I just bought my first grinder and have yet to spark it yet. I need to make a gib first, but there has been a lot of content in here for me to build a plan on my first part

Very nice vid Tom, and a really nice display of grinding, measuring technique, thanks.

Wow three stars in one show. Nice grinding guys. Thanks for the video.

I've always wanted to watch one of these grinders work, this is awesome!

Nice show guys----- ya gotta love that finish ----- thanks

Fascinating to watch, listen and learn, thanks.

Tom, you are obviously enjoying the precision grinder action. Now that you have traded for that cylindrical grinder I am looking forward to you finishing those cylindrical squares. :-)

Watching this again and just caught Stan's Blazing Saddles reference.

You all made a fine team and your questioning each other add for good information Job well done

Tom the bandmaster running the surface grinder. That was more clean up than I ever had to do on a manual surface grinder. For the big jobs we had a dedicated grinding department. Well, we had a guy named Stanley. He'd use his big water cooled automatic grinder, and make quick work of things. All Stanley did all day, every day, was run that grinder.

Hello to all, Hi to you kind people, and thank you for showing me well, and others, how these raw bits of metal are transformed into something beautiful and wonderfully nice to use……. Its a shame the post office is not ‘in’ on this as Keith said I think, it cost $900 to send a WIYB gift to the UK, and actually that gift was several smaller boxes not just on huge box. I love the "Magnetic Square" I think you called it, never seen one before. I hope those ‘presumably watching’ these parts getting made, and all the difficulties and time in making these items no matter what their size, appreciate the hard graft it took to design and for half a dozen people to make after having discussed everything, and having to allow this to that tolerance on a particular piece etc, between people and each operation. And what a wonderful way to start a new engineers hopefully life’s work, and maybe they in turn can contribute something in the future without a doubt? It is great to ‘know’ and watch these new machinist’s and possible engineers grow and to have them grow in their profession, knowing there is someone just a few clicks of a key away to help if they get stuck! I am not exactly sure what happened on the first year or on how many boxes were given away, if any of you could enlighten me I would be most obliged, and what happened to that hard work, I can’t comment further because I do not know what happened other than those given these gifts as I understand things seem to have disappeared? Thats a nasty thing to do after all this generosity, but as I say I would like to know more, and if any of you can tell me maybe via pm on YT thank you in advance. I am a wannabe engineer getting on in life now but still really interested in this wonderful job, the backbone of every society. I hope to be sending whatever I can to Keith to be part of this small? - community of generous people, it would be nice to see a woman included in either the gift receipt or in the collaborative way these items are manufactured and end in the hanse of Mr Fenner! Take care and carry on your hard and often expensive and costly time consuming efforts which I know others viewing must enjoy as much as I do! mrbluenun

Hey Tom, great video, really loving this series. Thumbs waaaaaay up!

good video I love they way you show how you measure things and why you do

FYI:arctan(0.0002/4) = 0.0028 deg = 10.3" of arc. as a surveyor. a reliable reproduction for me is + or - 2.5" with standard instrument. GPS = .2" due to long vectors.

Tom, I really liked the explanation of checking for square on the surface plate. I was wondering why didn't you put the new vice directly on to the grinder' s mag chuck? Thank you! Eric

Well I picked this as my first video to start catching up on seeing some of the work you guys had put into the WIYB TMC. This vice was spectacular, glad to have held it in my hands, even though it was scary, because I'm like a kid in a china shop sometimes. I can see in this video the persistence in accuracy, from all three of you cross checking and all, explaining the finish results of the total project. Cheers, ;{)------

I enjoyed seeing this, in addition to having watched the previous footage you and Stan have posted. As I looked at the numbers for the high spots, it looks like the vise popped a little like the bottom of an oil can does. I am guessing the heat treat released those stresses in the steel. Funny to think of it like sheet metal, but it is, just a little heavier gauge.

I'm the grumpy cat and I approved this video :) Good show Tom! Z

That's a beautiful grinder Tom. Maybe the camera angle was bad, but I think the guy's numbers are a bit ambitious given the contact point angle when looking at the base; it looked like it was angled about 45 degrees! The heat going into the part can be seen from the fact it's grinding heavy on areas on the end already ground, as the heat continues to increase and distort it more. It should have been left to cool fully before the finish grind.

is the vise finished?

Stan said "Mongo likes to tighten vice", that was hilarious.

great job guys , Thumbs up !!

tom great video looked like IKE, MIKE , AND MUSTARD running the grinder .

Got some youtube pouchers in you shop, Tom. What was that garble in the beginning about the "Stanko-Pink" Wilton vice?

Hey Tom, that's a nice grinder and also the squaring checks were nice to see. I think that .0002 at 4inches is quite good for a home shop. outstanding job as always. I heard Stan mention redressing the stone, would you do that several time on each surface? Thanks Dave

Great video. Awesome to see the vise coming together. Question: with using a grinder for extended periods of time like this won’t the outer diameter of the grinding wheel decrease over time? Wouldn’t that mess up how level/parallel/square the part is? i.e. if the disk is 6” in diameter at the start of a pass and 5.995 at the end due to wear, won’t the side you started on be lower then the side that you ended on?

Thumbs up, I almost thought this was a rerun.

Tom, do you (or rather, should I?) avoid "climb" grinding in the milling sense of the word? Or does it matter?

Tom I see when grinding the new vise you placed it in your toolmakers vise on parallels to grind it. Why didn't you just place it on the mag check? Keith

Having heard of surface grinder and what it"s for, but not seeing one before I'd envisioned something that looked more like a thickness planer with an abrasive drum.

I know it's a fairly small piece but how do you account for wheel wear as you go across the face on larger items? Seems the wheel could wear enough that it may induce a taper. But I guess it could be such a small amount that it probably wouldn't be measurable outside of a lab.

cool video. thanks, lessons learned ....

Tom ! Why haven't you made a hinged handle for your mag chuck?

OK stupid question time Tom since I don't know much of anything about high precision surface grinding. And I'm not faulting your work at all. Just the opposite. If the magnetic chuck has been ground to be true to the tables way's or guides in both X and Y, then why is there still the minor 10th or 2 variation when checking the part after it's been ground on that chuck? Yes I already know nothing is ever perfect, but are those small variations simply a reflection of some minor inaccuracy's of the grinder and all it's parts, and the work holding vise? To get better or much less than those few 10ths inaccuracy's, do you then have to graduate to lapping?

Are you standing on his toes to make him grumpy? After years of dry grinding flywheels in the automotive industry, I know that all machinist have plenty of heavy metals running around their bodies. Does the grinder have a coolant feature. One to keep it cool, and two to hold down the air born particulates. I can taste the steel from here.

great vid tom ,where is the flood coolant ?

Wrency Pooh? LMAO you guys are nuts 🤣

Hey Tom, whats the paper in the spark catcher for?

Because I have ben hit in the head too many times I am not sure if I offered you and your family a Merry Christmass and a Happy New Year before. Therefore I deliver it with a smile . a very nice video and very informative about the precision required in Machining. BTW I took the cereal out of my beard after gagging and laughing. CheersAl

Does Stan have a channel? What is the name of it? (The guy helping you grind, was that Stan?)

Hey Tom, when building small vises and other simple precision jigs and fixtures, do they really have to be hardened? Would a small toolmakers vise made from mild steel wear out? That grinder looks like a dream to use! The steel tape (cable) drive isn't the smoothest on my DoAll, it's almost a workout after half an hour.

Hi Tom Another excellent video. When you were initially trying to establish if the bottom of vise was perpendicular to surface plate, could you instead of the magnetic cylinder just run the test indicator vertically? If no change between top and bottom then the surface is theoretically perpendicular to surface plate.

Thanks,never have seen surface grinding.

GREAT VIDEO ! DID YOU DROP THE VISE ON STAN'S FOOT ? GRUMPY :-)

Doesn't the vise get magnetized when you put it ion the magnetic chuck?

man that's a loud grinder, what RPM is that spindle running?

In this particular grin how fast does that wheel degrade, and will it change the amount of material being removed from one side of the grind to the other? Another question: it there an auto-feed setup with that machine? Standing there running that table back and forth would get old fast....

Hey Tom, that grinder is an RSI inducer ;-) You need to build a power system.

Great video guys, informative and entertaining. Questions: Any idea how hard the steel of the vice is? What wheel grit and grade are did you use. I ask because its been over twenty years since I last used a surface grinder and I just acquired an 812 DoAll. I am used to a much larger hydraulic Brown & Sharp with flood coolant. I presume a soft wheel is in order for dry grinding yes? Any recommendations for wheels to dress Kurt vice jaws?

Something that puzzles me about surface grinders is the wear on the stone and how it is compensated for. Other than here I have never seen a surface grinder in operation so could anyone explain this to me? I'm really quite curious about this as it would seem to me that stone wear would degrade the surface finish.

Tom, are you average height and Chuck and Stan giants, or are they normal and you short? :)

Does this wheel not need dressing ever time you turn the power off and on? When I was in highschool we were told to dress the wheel everytime we powered it on.

Hey Tom what's the deal with the piece of paper on the shield on the bed?

Did the vise base warp slightly during hardening?

I have the grinding vise my father made over 60 years ago.

how do you maintain thickness as grinding wheel wears down

If you want something really square, use an angle plate, not a vise. As you tighten the vise you bend it. Not much but it does move.

Seems like it would have been easier to put in a screwy ball in there.

That magnetic square is exactly what I need to modify my vise. Suburban has them for $443 ...pricey. I'm better off at E bay ..if I can find one.

So, just curious, not a criticism... why wouldn't you adjacent side grind using an angle plate after establishing the bottom of the vise as your controlling datum?

This seems like a job that's just dying to be automated. Your arms were probably falling off by the end.

thank god you did not kill us with some funk

@35 check out grumpy. those are just German genes I bet. I am not hating my mother is German and had the same shape face.

Stan doesn't sound a bit like his visually gruff appearance suggests.

smokers?

Somebody's in there speaking French @ 6:00

It makes me uncomfortable seeing someone else on Tom's tools Haha. It irks me.

"mongo like to tighten vise" got no reaction

It would have been more entertaining if your lovely assistants were wearing swimwear...

That’s a horrible finish under there , hahahahaha !

the bearings sound like shit

lip smacking... lip smacking! :P