This reused copy paste nioh ng+/dlc structure simply doesn't work with this game due to various issues and design choices. so i'm just not having fun, the juice is not worth the squeeze. Let me know your thoughts, and 🙏for Ronin/Nioh 3 to be better. DLC stream incase you missed it: ru-vid.comAA-gaDpbMSg ---------------------------------- dupe bug was just patched as of july 4th.
I don't think there is ever going to be a Nioh 3. Pretty sure TN said that they are done with Nioh and are moving on. Honestly though, I would have preferred if they continued making nioh, don't really care about the story, just some new content to play.
@@ace8776 Also it is possible that they make a true spiritual successor to Nioh even if they don't use the Nioh name, sort of like Bloodborne or Elden Ring are to Souls.
after getting platinum on both Nioh 1 and Nioh 2 and putting tons of hours into the endgame content of both, I can honestly say this game is a huge step back. Looking back I would have rather skipped on this one.
There was no reason to not put out a trilogy first. Nioh 2 sucked in so many new players and just building upon that for a third game would of got them massive sales. Instead we got this and stranger of paradise both feeling like they want to be nioh so bad but miss the mark
I will compliment it for the fact that as a souls vet I missed a few. When Wo Long came out on gamepass I tried it and liked it. That got me to play the Nioh titles…so thanks for that Wo Long I see what they were going for but I agree, definitely a step back from Nioh’s combat
@@rogerarayasaborio549t’s literally like they just want to milk Nioh 2 fans, but they’re burning bridges hard. SoP I gave a pass because SE was involved. Though I couldn’t get by because the RPG (story) elements were so…bad…it ruined the action part (which was amazing). I wanted a more original FF with the unknown protagonist and traditional FF aesthetic with a Nioh 2 artistry of mechanics splashed onto it. But SoP is fine I guess.
As a huge Nioh fan who was heavily anticipating this game since it was announced, I slowly but surely realized this game just wasn't it. At this point, I'm just going to cut my loses and hope Ronin is good. Ain't playing any NG+ cycles I will say though, I prefer the waifu fashion in this game to Nioh 2. That was nice
I just want Nioh 3 at this point. I havent lost interest in a Nioh like game so fast, and Wo Shlong seems like a massive step back from the original formula.
Team Ninja should have stuck to their guns which was Nioh. The first one was well received and when they made a sequel, IT WAS ACTUALLY BETTER. The devs understand that game and how to improve it. Nioh still has lots of room for improvement and I know Team Ninja is capable of expanding the game they've done nothing but improve for all the players.
As someone who spend 1000+ hours on NIOH2, WO LONG just lacking due to its gameplay, it's tiresome because its too depending on parry to deal massive damage.
This is exactly why I stopped playing after the 2nd area, It just became so apparent to me that this game is too reliant on parrys, where a fight without one took me like 15 mins and when I did the same fight with a parry it took like 3 mins -_- They made it seem like this was some amazing hybrid of Nioh and Sekiro, but its just the level design of Nioh(the worst parts of it) and the gameplay of Sekiro, I was hoping for the reverse where youd have this open world like Sekiro, but the gameplay/enemy variety of Nioh 2 which I think would have been better.
Same. 1000+ hours in Nioh 2. Best game in this genre by far! Wo Long clicked never with me. I had the best sets and weapons at the end of NG+ but it's so shallow vs Nioh.
Wo long is repetitive shit, and I love most souls/niohs. It's a complete ripoff for the price with a ton of copy pasted, shitty levels, over reused musics and the gameplay loop get stale faster than most games with engaging combat. I think we must cut our losses and stop playing shit games like this one, even if branded Team Ninja. Waiting for the next Monster Hunter and Dragon's Dogma right now. Also I played on PC and the game runs so poorly for how shit it looks.
One of the things that really grind my gears is the lack of combo varieties. Each type of weapons only has a certain type of limited movesets, only 1 to 2 types of fatal strikes, couple with having only TWO martial arts per weapon make them bland weapons for melee builds that barely tickle any bosses. And there is no new martial arts for existing weapons. They added 4 new slots for spells and NO new slots for martial arts as well. Correct me if I'm wrong but I can see that the Team Ninja devs want us to only play spell builds. Even then in NG+2 the spells only give limp flamboyant slaps to the bosses.
It really is baffling, because I went into Nioh 1 + 2 with low expectations, and came out thinking they were among the best games I ever played. They got me to go all the way to NG++++, which is something I never even did in Souls. So someone like me should love Wo Long, right? I do kind of, but man that endgame feels like a game from 10 years before Nioh, not NEWER. You're supposed to grind gear that's barely even better unless you are lucky enough to get the perfect drops to form a set, and even then, only a few sets are that great. I killed the monkey boss in Wo Long NG+ literally 200 times, and only got the gear to put together one single grace set, and it was not one of the good ones. In Nioh you can at least get a basic set together just from farming some graves that have a set you like, or just crafting a lower rarity version of a piece you're missing. Never had an issue putting a set together in Nioh after some effort.
In regards to the "regular attacks do shit damage", it feels like they wanted this game to be their version of Sekiro so badly, but didn't realize the fun of Sekiro's gameplay was breaking the enemy posture. In Wo Long enemy posture gauge is so arbitrary, and there is no rhythm to the fight.
yes. the rhythm isn't there, but also the world locations, story, characters you care about, etc aren't all there either. and magic exist to blow that posture mechanic out half the time. its an in-between nioh and sekiro that doesn't quite appeal to either camp. also sekiro had the 2nd death mechanic. This game doesn't have a back up after you get 2 shot. and sekiro you never had to "build up" your power level to handle an enemy like you do here, I imagine sekiro would be hated a lot more if it had some morale system like function.
Stranger of Paradise did the Sekiro posture break mechanic better than Wo long did. Once you filled up enemy break gage they were dead. If it was a boss it just went into a 2nd phase. In Wo Long even if you get a fatal strike you may have to rinse and repeat depending on the enemy.
Man......I played ENTIRELY through Nioh 2(Including Underworld). Sick game, combat, and builds. I played the demo for Wo Long and I could already feel it. Nioh was a real grind to at times, but the combat was SO good. I feared TN would commit the same mistakes minus the exceptional combat. It seems I wasn't far off. I still wish we had gotten Nioh 3 instead of Wo Long (or Stranger of Paradise)
Same dude, I was also on the last floor underworld, I feel you. Absolute masterpiece. Wo Long is a HUUUUGE step back. Same was Sekiro to me. But they came back with Elden Ring, loved it. But it was...well too easy but ok.
I'm not sure what their goal was with Wo Long. Everyone was expecting Nioh 3 and instead we got sekiro, which is fine, but then they removed most of the mechanics that made Nioh so fun to play. My favorite part about Nioh was how the combat changed drastically depending on the weapon you had equipped. Every time I learned a new weapon class the game felt brand new again, but in Wo Long the combat doesn't change at all regardless of weapon class. The martial arts should have followed the Nioh 2 skill tree structure to some extent instead of hard locking us to 2 martial arts that we can't even change out. The spell system isn't bad, I like that they don't limit spells to consumable items, but they should be auxiliary tools to assist in our melee combat. Instead, spells are the only way to make progress on a boss's health bar, making melee and martial arts damage obsolete. The morale rank system was a cool idea at first, but like mentioned in the video, it became a massive chore to get max morale. The idea that boss fights are inherently unfair is another slap in the face. I'll be honest, if they don't buff the hell out of melee combat I'm not going to be playing the NG+ cycles. From what I've experimented with, your build is irrelevant to the combat as each weapon plays exactly the same and spell spamming is the only efficient choice of play. I'm also not going to spend countless hours fighting end game bosses melee only if I'm only doing 0.1% of their health bar per melee attack. DLC 1 is certified trash IMO, the levels were generic and lacked any new elements to them while also looking the same as previous levels, the new enemies barely added any variety, and out of 3 bosses, only the hammer guy was a fun fight. The 2nd boss was just lazy design, and Dian wei is just straight up unfair. If Dian wei was at 20 morale from the start, I might have found the challenge fun, but as it stands it took me forever to get through that fight using melee only. There's still a chance Team Ninja can fix this game but given how much focus they are putting on Rise of Ronin, I'm doubtful we will see any improvements in the core gameplay loop.
yes, the flow is pretty repetitive across all the weapons, none of them feel unique. the side effect of buffing weapon dmg (which in turn buffs MA), is that you have a alternative way to play than just parry parry, which puts more power into defining each weapon class more. hammer may be slower, but now it can crush yellow turbans heads in with its charged attacks. I think skill swap will be something they do, but the other stuff i can only be pessimistic about based off this dlc. I separate the qol stuff from the dlc, and the dlc content itself was just lackluster all around. nioh 2s tengu dlc was just spot on good all around, like the wiki shows all the content it added, and compare that to this dlc lol: nioh2.wiki.fextralife.com/The+Tengu%27s+Disciple
I love the new weapon, but I'd like more reasons to keep playing, like gaining passive buffs, passive skills, or enhance Martial Arts to +10 or whatever.
1. MA are focused on spirit damage (that accelerates FS), if u combo with elemental imbue you do panic. The tick of fire debuff is almost 300. Melee in Wo Long is just a more skill-based approch that differs from spamming sorceries from a distance.. 2. Taking all flags now give you additional buffs, but the morale farming is a bit slow, that is true. Probably too hasty a review? In my opinion, the problems are: the lack of complexity of the dlc's main missions, the impossibility of filtering equipment based on graces and/or the possibility of farming specific equipment, the few differences in the gameplay of the third run, which make everything repetitive despite the higher challenge and, finally, the level cap too high compared to the objective difficulty.
Wo Long imo is a game where the devs listened to all the people that complained about the "complexity" of Nioh 1 and 2 and decided to remove every single damn feature that made those games unique and stand out in order to cater to the fans of Sekiro (which way fewer people enjoyed anyway compared to Bloodborne or DS). They completely missed the mark and pretty much decided to keep the only thing people hated about their other games, which was the Diablo-esque gear, yet somehow they considered all those other unique mechanics had to go. Personally, I don't really like how they removed all the crazy things you could do with Ninjutsu, consumables, Yokai spirits, and just dumbed it down to man with wepon sometimes uses magik.
I know team ninja was trying to be experimental in streamlining the game (I still hate soul matching to +58 lv 200), but they went way too far. Nickle and diming us for stat increases on gear, less inventive stat bonuses, and the atrocity(and worst offender) removing weapon skill trees for martial arts which killed the depth of gameplay. If Wo long 2( lets face it they're gonna do it since the 3 kingdoms period isn't over) comes out bring back Nioh 2's depth and skill trees while making gear rewarding. I'm tired of having a barely 3% increase. On a more surface level area the introduction of Dian Wei and Xu Chu and the story was so lazy and atrocious it's baffling as it doesn't even provide a meaningful transition to why you're fighting or the main conflict
Nope, I don't think there will be a wo long 2, you haven't paid enough attention at the ending of the game, in the dlc's teaser you will see zhong liang dying on his chair as the final scene in dlc 3, the remainings of the three kingdoms period will be rushed in the dlc's
I would also add that this game was nowhere near as praised as there other games. I really didn't like it all compared to Nioh 1 and 2 both of which i have hundreds of hours played in.
I def see the reasons here and agree with a lot but I personally enjoy the game and do think it can come back with a few more key updates to change some things.
This was the director's first project and it shows. How Team Ninja allowed an amateur to head this, while marketing the game as from the makers of Nioh, is beyond me. Can't trust brands no matter what. And never pay full price for a game because you just never know and gems worth the money are stupidly rare. For me, the greatest sins were not improving the pvp which there were never going to do, and not allowing you to change weapon skills. Looking back, the game was doomed from the start because it was made out of cheap plastic and the gameplay was waaaay too simplistic.
gems full price are not rare, Elden Ring, Sekiro, Dmc and more, i just buy MH world and oh boy the game is so awesome, the deal here is that TN could have done much more and put a lot more effort with some aspects of the game in my opinion
@@lalouwu6371 those are as mainstream as you can get and most of those have big problems. Popularity does not mean quality. Fromsoft games are always B level work at best, not gems. DMC sucks, but devil may cry 3 and 5 are great, 4 is good, but not gems. Monster hunter has always had a huge grind problem even if World is the least invasive about it, it's still there in a big way. Hollow Knight, Shovel Knight, Undertale, Nioh, Star Renegade, Into the Breach are gems. They were not expected to be as great as they were. They play great, sound great, look great, story is great, have depth, and have a quality that elevates them higher than most games. They have it all. Hollow Knight is what ER tried to be for example.
Yea...I definitely feel what your talking about with mele and martial arts. I feel like I do no damage when I play. It's disappointing to here that it's the same in NG++ with just +10 upgrades The flags really should have been like abyss and underworld in Nioh 1and 2. Get a flag remove a debuff gain a buff. This give players a choice on how they want to play and challenge themselves if they want.
I came back here because youtube recommended this video again for some reason. Well when DLC 1 came out I was Meh on the game (even have a long comment talking about my issues), but I done a 180 on the game after DLC2-3 and overtime it has become a guilty pleasure type of game where I always go back to to try new builds and things like that. Imo it sucks for the release and early months of the game because DLC2 fixed most of the issues I had with the game. Its funny because Rise of the Ronin is also getting this early release negative press, yet most of the players are loving the crap out of that game. Thankfully by the time that game comes to PC it will be in the best state it can be in.
I think you are pretty much on point in this vid PWAR. I was feeling immense burnout like 4 hours into the DLC. I couldn't put my finger on it but yeah I would agree it's because I never felt powerful. I hated the spirit costs of spells so I just focused on MA on weapons and those as you mentioned are so weak you just feel anemic and sickly the further you get into new game cycles. It also struck me that we should feel so weak in close combat in a kung fu game but whatever it was vindicating to see I wasn't the odd man out in that feeling. Think I am done with Wo Long. Good video though.
Completely agree. Played more hours than healthy on nioh 2. You’re spot on with your assessment. Why is team ninja not striving to make the game fun?? Being powerful and feeling the gains is the addiction, not repetitively doing the same things. Uphill battle also good call.
They gave us more magic slots and then allowed us to use them regardless of morale rank but they take all of our spirit if we do that. Morale is really terrible in this game for it supposed to be a "help" with the bosses it doesn't. Plus it makes you bottom out really fast. I played a Ninja and Mage in Nioh 2. I'm bad at this game and Nioh 2 but I love Nioh 2. I like this game too but the morale is just plain stupid it doesn't make you feel powerful and everything 1 shots you anyway.
One thing that really pissed me off about wo long is that there is NO option to do expeditions like nioh 1 and 2. Jump into a lobby and do a bunch of missions with people or tackle new dlc with people. Everyone got loot, gold and amrita. Was really hoping for dlc to give this game new life but fuck it they dont give a fuck
The grind should be made bearable by forcing specific sets to drop ONLY in specific missions(I.E Flying General from a stage where Lu Bu is the final boss etc...). Martial Art REPLACMENT should have been in the from the day the game was in its beta build there is 0 excuses on that front because both Niohs let you swap the weapon skills around when multiple skills were tied to similar inputs so there's no really justifiable reason Wo Long should have been any different. The Rank 1-9 and Cold Steels should be buyable with GOLD and NOT ACCOLADES or only be obtainable through the dismantling function because that is an even bigger hindrance than the wrong Marital Art being on a given weapon you are trying to farm in order to make a build you want to experiment with. And the final point that should never have been a problem in either of the 2 Nioh's and or Wo Long IS THE LACK OF ACCESSORY RE-ROLLING sweet mother of christ WHY? It is the single most infuriating thing in the entirety of these 3 games is for the grind for a MANDATORY piece of your build to come out the wrong way or not have a proper skill you crutch far too much because you can't roll it on another piece of your set-up. If you're going to lock the "Fun" behind the grind MAKE THE GRIND BERABLE and NOT make it feel like pure suffering. It's not funny for me as a player to go "Oh hey Team Ninja put out Nioh 3" instead of go "YO WO LONG DOES NIOH BUT BETTER" you actively make it hard to either enjoy or play the game when you all but literally make the SAME GAME 3 DIFFERENT TIMES WHILE MAKING IT WORSE EVERY INSTALMENT. Short term answer to make this game anywhere near half as fun as other farming games like Diablo or the like is to just NOT make its rng WORSE than its competitors cause that WILL drive your player base away and further deter them from your current game and all future games to be released.
target farming would be nice. graces are honestly not that well designed. if you had those graces tied to normal sets like other sets, all of sudden, people can create builds more reliably. pure rng is not gonna sit well with people, especially if you can't, get this, kill or beat a stage fast to make that farm bearable. but its funny, because they did have semi-target farming for graces, in nioh, with the abyss system. The abyss/depth system should have NOT been locked to final dlc, where you have 1+2 chances of people dropping your game before than. ADD the abyss dlc 1, then just expand on it every dlc. but it'll provide power through upgrade levels, target farming for certain floors giving certain graces/sets, and well, scaling challenge that avoids the morale system entirely. had this dlc done that, they would have made the game so much better. but now they'll wait till final dlc, and then they'll probably expect people to have gotten high tiered gear and high character level just to even attempt it. or add something completely new, instead of a new difficulty. a rogue like system, abyss, chalice dungeon type mechanic, something FRESH. at this point throw ideas out and see what sticks instead of being purely safe/lazy and just adding something that doesn't work for this game like it did the other. if the game is doomed to fail than experiment with things to hopefully find something good you can use in future games.
They need to increase the damage value of all melee based ability’s and tweak fatal strike and wizardry spells damage, increase the percent bonuses of both graces and tempered effects not just one limited to 6 stars and still below 10 percent, and add an abyss type endgame on top the things you suggested. That would keep me engaged enough to say that this game is worth you’re time. I have hope for the future but it does seem bleak tbh :(
I honestly couldn’t believe we got this from the same people that made nioh 2 one of my favorite games ever this game is just so much of a downgrade this game for sure needs some serious overworkings
Drop rates are HOT GARBAGE and im about ready to put Nioh 2 back in. Ive gotten one 6 star item all weekend and a handful of 5 star, outside of rewards for completing ng+2 missions. I did get one of the new spells farming the zhuyan boss in the tale of guiguzi on rising dragon. Plus theres still no forge mechanic so you can only farm for everything, which is too damned grindy and not fun.
at this point scrap wo long dlc and just make new nioh 2 dlc "guys, we decided to return and revive the nioh series with new content!". TN would be absolute giga chads if that happened
Still FF16 gets boring after a couple hours. Ill be playing Diablo 4 and TOTK. Might even play Nioh 2 again then come back to Wo Long for the next DLC in September.
They already have the formula from nioh and nioh 2, i mean all the ds games up to elden ring just felt like polishing what already worked same with nioh 1 to 2. I literally have no idea how this came from team ninja, the only consistent with the nioh games is there massively obtuse and confusing level designs
I think you misunderstood how to play team ninja games, your builds, your fights are all about beating the game and not about knowing the game, you compare wo long dlcs to nioh dlcs, forgetting that many of the things to you mentioned have arrived in the other titles with the subsequent dlcs. I have seen some of your builds and they are all based on the spam of a martial art, so how can you expect new martial arts if you are not interested in knowing how they work but only the way in which can be useful for spamming them, if you focus more on getting to know the game you would know that the bosses have new movesets, which you absolutely don't talk about, and this is an addition of the dlc. You should create builds that make you fight, know the s of the skill, how to chain them to make an exhilarating fight, because this is wo long, even nioh and nioh 2 didn't understand how they work since even there they are one shot builds made only to beat the game and not know it, I think judging based only on these things it doesn't make logical sense, because Wo Long ,Nioh and even Stranger Of Paradise are not what you describe with these builds
For me this was the weakest game of the series. To many of the game mechanics i didn't find fun and i thought i was gutted in comparison to Nioh 2. The fact is people want to play a character how they want to and not be forced to play a certain way. I wont be picking up a sequel or DLC for Wo Long.
I feel like magic is good to an extant, the issue is it uses stamina so you get 2 casts without blue and your capped, you get 3-4 with blue bar but then capped again leaving no room for marital arts and to top it off the recovery time is so low compared to other games so you get hit and winded for a while, they need to adjust this in my opinion
We need more spirit bar or to just keep it separate from a unique posture bar for defense and spirit bar for special attacks as well as wizardry……plus this game is stiff af with dodging , the roll is so iffy and I’m talking about the light roll at that
@@ryanshoults123 I’m speculating that nioh 3 is in development that or a new ninja gaiden wo long was a risk they wanted to take hopefully we get news on nioh / ninja gaiden after all the dlc has come out they usually announce a new game months after the last dlc of the previous game.
They had announced back in 2021 that they will not be making a Nioh 3. Rise of Ronin is our only hope for a Nioh like game but who knows if they will butcher that one like they did Wo Long
@@Koballin if rise of ronin flops which I’m not saying it will they will make a nioh 3 or ninja gaiden especially since they had hit the mark with nioh 1 and 2
@@ryanshoults123 No they said that there are no plans for nioh 3 at this time they are focused on new IP’s at the moment. With that being said nioh 3 can happen in the future
@@ryanshoults123 My guy it’s been almost 13 years since they announced a new tenkaichi game anything is possible it’s not false hope, it’s speculation just gotta wait if they don’t then they don’t but they said as for right now no plans.
The game just isn’t balanced correctly, bosses get easier as you go on (with that one exception) and there isn’t much enemy variety. You will fight hundreds of mermaids and porcupines, there’s two new enemies in the end game -the little and big statue guys. It’s a shame because the combat is tight and responsive.
They gave us 8 spell slots but couldn’t spring for 4 MA slots? I honestly thought the vanilla game was a lot of fun but they really missed the mark on NG+ and beyond. Melee needs a huge buff, as does MA and customizing MA and it would be in a good spot. Oh yeah - and then they decided to nerf grace set drop probability again? Wtf? The only thing to give you a little bit of an edge in endgame. Graces also need buffs FWIW, and also need more variety.
I feel the same as you man although i liked this dlc and I've almost 300 hours on this game, i don't feel like playing the new difficulty and farming to get the new spells it just feels pointless and there's no achievement/trophy if you complete it so actually there's no point
Kind of unfortunate, i was in a way looking forward to the dlc. I got until the second final mission of ng+ then dropped the game. Its hard to say anything that hasn't already been said, the weapon damage feels too low compared to the power of spells, too much emphasis on fatal strikes. At this point i would be ok if they took a page out of sekiro's book and made it so you have to damage the enemy a decent amount before the stance bar builds up for a finisher. The morale system is just confusion, in the base game getting maxed out on it would make the game too easy but now not getting enough of it makes it really hard, there's too much of a reliance on how it affects your power imo
Fully agree. You’ve nailed everything I’ve been upset about, but two more things I want to add: -Literally no endgame stuff to do. Nioh 2 had nightmare missions and clans. -No random expeditions. -No Reforge. I’ll play the DLCs because I got the season pass, but honestly, I don’t know what will get me to do endgame. Maybe adding Reforging in so we can use the new Damage Shift embed to actually make weapons usable in different Virtue builds. But dropping the whole combo system that was in Nioh1/2 and SoP was the worst idea ever. I fucking hate how they tried to copy Elden Ring with invasions and Art of War. But in their argument, you said this is a king fu game. It’s actually a Xianxia game (cultivation). Hence all the talk about qi, elixirs, immortals, Taoism, meridian channels, divine beasts, etc.. Progressing from one difficulty to another. Someone mentioned Xianxia in the subreddit and I’ve been looking into it since Wo Long dropped. The game makes a WHOLE lot more sense now. Edit: I’ll also add that Cestus is just not good without the combo system from Nioh 2. It just encapsulated everything that’s wrong with the game: fast and flashy but no depth or soul.
Finished DLC on ng+ and moved on to soaring dragon. I’m on map 3 and I’m 21 levels under…..am I suppose to mindlessly farm for days just to play the next play through? The point you made about constantly being just under leveled is spot on. What are they thinking?
I find it unfortunate because base game is fine. The amount of damage you deal feels proportionate to the difficulty of the enemy. With it only getting better as you continue playing. But they remove that balance entirely by making melee damage obsolete. In Nioh, you were able to find and make some pretty ridiculous weapons to keep up with the new game cycle. Yes, magic could carry you the whole way, but melee was every bit as reliable. And if you do the trials in the late game, forget about it. Crazy loot. But with Wo Long...it's just the same weapons...with the same damage...only with more effects to boost your magic. They're speedrunning killing their game.
ironically, IF they actually gave the spells outright (like nioh games), I MIGHT push through the new difficulty more just to play and enjoy using them. but the fact I have to progress and grind for ALL of them with them only dropping from specific bosses so i can't access them till i get to those bosses? nah, f that.
Man, I just feel no desire to keep playing it, they got rid of so much functionality it feels like a bore. I miss the fighting stance system to help adapt to different enemies and bosses which also allowed you to match the pace of your opponents. With this you can attack and counter effortlessly almost with your eyes closed, Which is a false positive because you do so little damage you would spend ages fighting a garden variety enemy if you couldn’t.
yah even if they added a 3rd martial art which we could use to diversify gameplay (which people actually want), well, who cares? all 3 would do meek damage So add a 3rd skill and buff dmg. gives variety and meaning to using said skills. This was supposed to be a melee action game with sick parries, but half the melee toolset is pointless.
They're making the ronin game (forgot the title) at the same time and wo long is more a filler than a sequel to nioh. Given that DLC I don't even think they care about this game at all.
After hearing this I don't wanna buy the game I'll wait for nioh 3 for the time being nioh 2 is still alive that's a wonderful thing I'll keep grinding on nioh 2
My biggest issue so far with the DLC is the Boss design. All the hard bosses in the main game and dlc follow the same tactics for killing them. Wait till they try a critical, counter, maybe get 1 or hits in, run away....rinse and repeat. We need boss fights that can just be a good old fight, some that reward aggression, some that at least allow reasonable windows of aggression. These boss fights are so tedious, and as a result of the tactics you should follow, they take sooooo long to finish. Can we also have at least a little bit of follower scaling in the new difficulty levels, or maybe add some weapon/armor skills that can boost follower survivability/damage.
I really do believe that because they only gave the parry to players and not to mobs, they didn't create ways around parries, so parry became automatically the beginning and the end of the gameplay, making everything happen.
I agree whole heartedly with all the points in your video. I'm so far as too avoid using damaging sorceries, only buffs ones. Even then, I still rips through bosses with ease, I used all the elemental weapon spells, and just stack the elemental debuffs on the enemy one after the other, but I do still need to hit enemies with melee to apply it, so that what keeps me engaged in the gameplay. As far as my recommendation, weapon specific skill tree like nioh would be a nice addition, in order to learn/replace the martials arts you need unlock them in order to get them. But that seem a huge task to implement so I won't hold my breath. I still like the game, but yeah this dlc kinda lackluster.
tbh i thought the dlc for wo long would be huge upgrade compared to nioh 2 i mean they have dynasty warriors characters and so many weapons that could have been added just one new weapon ? seriously...i guess i expected to much hopefully team ninja will fix this
Yeah, Japan used to make some great games like persona 5,dark souls 3,FFXIV,FF7R,BoTW,Animals crossing,Sekiro,Nier Automata,Xenoblade 2,DE,Super smash Ultimate bros, Lost judgement, Nioh 2,Yakuza 7,MH world,RE 7, Judge eyes,Death stranding and DMC5,(according to metacritics) from 2017 to early 2020, but how can they fall so soon like Sandcastle and gets mogged by Genshin and Starrail so easily, for having no good game with metascore higher than genshin(81-84) since 2021? MH Rise,PSO2:NGS,FF origin, Soul hackers 2 and SD gundam Battle alliance,Forspoken and Wo long has shown the fall of the Japanese game. And so does Shin Megami Tensei 5, which was just an utter garbage. Even Worse, Zenless zone zero,Black Myth Wukong and Lies of P will kill Japanese game market completely. Genshin,Black Myth Wukong, Lies of P reduces DMC5,Dark souls 3,Sekiro,RE4,FFXIV,FF16,ToTK,MHW,Elden ring into a mediocre shovelware. Lies of P kills every Japanese game despite Korea has zero experience on developing console games and never poached Foreign Devs and developed Only with Korean Devs. Lies of P is GOTY this year. Not rubbish Japanese game like ToTK, FF16,RE4 and Armored core 6.
I played at launch and stopped at the Lu Bu boss-fight. After playing Nioh 2, this game just feels very empty and repetitive. The combat animations are even more beautiful and the spell system is an upgrade to Nioh 2. But everything else feels lackluster. Without redoing EVERYTHING, here are some things I wish they would add: - Let us have more / all combat arts. I mean come on, Nioh 2 weapons had like 8+ active skills. You could play the one skill spammy min-max gear setup or you had the freedom to mix and match all techniques to express yourself. Being limited to 2 combat arts is just not enough. - also what would be cool, would be to chain the combat arts and spells. The 2 systems just feel very clunky and non-synergistic. In Nioh 2 you could cancel out of anything by using spirits. You also had ki pulsing and cool (unintended) techs like item canceling, flash canceling etc. I was very sad, that they didn't double down on these things. - as PWARGaming said, melee damage needs to be buffed considerably. Either through more gear upgrades or baseline upgrades to all weapons - All in all, hopefully the game will be as good as Nioh 2. At least content wise with enemy variety. But my expectations are low.
I finished NG+, it was kinda fun and some bosses were brutal (not the same like NG I have to say). However I'm not interested in the dlc's at all. I'm also done with this game. Which is a huge bummer as a huge Team Ninja Fan, I've got well over 1000hrs in both Nioh's which are LIGHTYEARS better than Wo Long, sadly. I wish they'd made a Nioh 3 instead. Well at least it's still better than the crappy Strangers of Paradise, which was more like a FF game than a Team Ninja game.
I gave this feedback after the 1st Beta and sadly it's not gone my way. Where are my: Skilltrees, Stamina, Movesets, Stances? Why is countering so prevalent to the point that any other defensive measure is wholly inferior? Why Pidgeon hole players into a single style? Incentivize other forms of defense like blocking, evading. At best Morale is the "Enemies Defeated Damage Bonus" that scales just within the stage, at worst its a time sink to keep tiger running scroll abusers away. Either way it's a bad decision. Remove it. Martial arts are tied to weapons? This is a mistake.
Yeah I realized this as soon as I got the platinum on the base game all on base difficulty. They have neutered the loot so much in this game there is almost no reason for it to even be in there. Most bonuses are in the 2-5% range on each piece so if you stack it you are at anywhere from 10% to MAYBE 20% on some things that don't even matter. It was fun to play through the one time but nothing about the post game content and now the DLC even appeal to me and this video confirms it. I really hope they bring back the loot and build aspect of Nioh in a future game, I really do. And to answer the last question: What would entice me to play Wo Long past base difficulty? Make any given stat be at least triple what their current value is now. For example Melee Attack Damage 5% now should be Melee Attack Damage 15% at a minimum if not 20% or so.
I looked forward to Wo Long in the leadup to it's launch, having absolutely loved Nioh 2 and poured well over 1k hours into it. Wo Long felt like, on a design level, they had somehow managed to go so far backward, they had gone back to before Ninja Gaiden. There's no real flow to the combat in this game. It's either 'deflect all the things while maybe getting a hit in edgewise, until you can get a final blow' or 'use spells for massive damage'. They managed to make a game with less combat depth than Demon's souls had. The 'momentum' posture styled system fails HARD in that actually attacking just eats your momentum without giving you any real benefits. The game doesn't incentivize offense in any way, and gives you such a limited toolbox that there is no way to adapt around things. Grind only functions when there is an enjoyable combat loop to engage with. Wo Long has way too little depth and variety in it's core combat design, and that is what well and truly kills it. I don't know how they managed to screw it up so badly. At least Strangers of Paradise had some variety in the combat and wasn't entirely oriented around it's execution mechanic.
honestly game is still fun; but only up till the end of the first playthrough. I don't understand some of the design choices; because a lot of them feel like they *wanted* a new idea and concept but were afraid of chasing away Nioh fans and did a weird half compromise. If the goal was to be a departure from the Nioh series but keep the same DNA(in the vein of Sekiro was to Souls); why not just simplify things even further? Why even have Diablo styled random rolled loot in the first place? Why not just make gear more sparse, but static and more impactful on a piece by piece basis, and have character progression/strength be more tied to stats? The game's entire combat system is built on deflect and focusing/emphasizing the action combat part of the game over the rpg, so why muddy that focus with tedious busy work like morale hunting and chasing statlines on gear? I certainly wouldn't have mind if the game was a just a fun straightforward action romp with some mild rpg elements.
The new spells drop from any ng+. I got like 3 pretty easily just yesterday. But yeah I hate the lack of a better focus in melee. Like why have less damage taken while attacking as an embedment if everything stun locks you? Tbh they should have followed the same setup as Nioh just with changed setting and the jump added. Also, the aesthetics of armor in this game are hot trash. Everything is so dog shish dirty looking. Also, with an endgame ng+ build, regular crouching dragon difficulty is still freaking hard for no reason lol.
Id like to say there was a point I could say you had the wrong viewpoint on….but yeah no you hit the nail on the head for each of them. The only reason I’ve stayed on with Wo Long is because it’s set during the Three Kingdoms era of China, which as someone who grew up with Dynasty Warriors, was a big draw for me. But this DLC has been incredibly disappointing and lacking for even basic content. There’s only so much nostalgia for Dynasty Warriors that can keep a guy playing this game for long :/
I walked into the new ex 1 mission on lowest difficulty after min maxing my strongest available build. And got smoked by a foot soldier. Like all of my work means fuck all. This is how they did Nioh 2. Where all your hard work mess naught. Like you haven't put all this time into building yourself to be strong enough to accept anything ahead and master the game before dlc release. To be thrown around like you never played the game at full morale. Again team Ninja. You managed to ruin the definition of difficulty by not listening to the ones who support and love the series. And shitting on them instead. Again this isn't how you add difficulty. I agree with this video
TN has no concept of balance, Nioh 2 had some issues but out of all of these it made the most sense. Nioh 1 imo is a mess, can't image what this game is like. The gameplay looks fun because I like Sekiro, might try a water build so I can shoot spells if they are that much stronger than melee.
I agree spells scale too much better than melee especially in higher difficulty settings and they definitely need to buff MA the same way as they did spells, but I don't think it's a mistake that fatal blows deal exceptional damage. The game is clearly intended to be like Sekiro where deflection is a primary mechanic, and I consider sekiro head and shoulders above the other From games. There are other options but they want you to master one and I prefer games that prioritize efficiency over freedom. The issue though is spells are still the best way to get to fatal blows, and just have much better utility alround. Also enemy variety is by far the worst part, it just gets stale when you see them so many times.
Wo Long is such a huge disappointment; coming straight off of Nioh 2 . . . hell, its a disappointment coming off of Stranger of Paradise. I am REALLY hoping Rise of Ronin isn't going to be anything like Wo Long.
Bcoz you never try pvp in this game🤷♀️, try it! Do not play pve only. People still giving hope on pvp single mode, the combat system and deflect is so good on this game compare to nioh, nioh is Suck, So overall wo long is way better than any souls game🤷♀️
good q pwar for me to continue playing wo long i would have to buy it again as i broke the disc in half.......or of completed when winds meet, the perceiver, lords of the fallen, black myth, phantom blade zero/ maybe souls of p first, who knows what other titles might be lined up by then,. sooo prob not going to happen. 100% nioh and nioh 2, what went wrong with this title. so long wo long.
I played Nioh and Nioh 2 a lot but the Wo Long demo before release didn't hook me so I never bought the game. Now, I don't think I ever will. But, I'm still hopeful for Ronin (and Ninja Gaiden 4).
When the demo came out it was obvious this game was insanely basic compared to nioh an i had zero expectations for it. I played threw for the story an i dont think i even bothered to completely finish the ng plus difficulty because i didnt really care about jus hitting spells every fight. Nioh i did everything an felt like i had progress. This one i jus didnt see much point grinding. Especially the stupid moral
Hmm I found the new dlc a bit lacking. I think they reused some bosses from the main game but in ghost form. The only boss worth the time was Dian Wei. The level design felt small compared to the main game. It does bother me that this isn't living up to the same quality that Nioh 2 had which I played a lot. I only got through the first stage of the dlc and didn't bother doing it for NG plus 1 or 2 or the last stage. Also the story stuff didn't really impress me that much in the dlc.
Let's face it! This game sucks! I didn't even beat the main game, it's not fun at all. It's a shame that TN did a great job learning from Nioh 1 to make Nioh 2 better in almost every aspect. I thought this would carry over to Wo Long, but it's a shame. Combat system is very basic and not fun. Enemy variety is lacking. Level design is not good. Even bosses (minus a couple of them) are a stepdown! I hope they move to a different IP after this, and let's see what will they do with Rise of the Ronin.
I never felt like doing ng plus for wo long. Not a fan of ng plus I’m general, but the Nioh games implemented it really well with their gear system keeping it fresh. Nioh 2 I finished and platinumed the game then went straight to the ng plus and did dream of the strong without a second thought as just enjoyed replaying the whole game in divine kingo gear! Wo long really messed up the gear system, I also dont like all the best sets with bonuses are from npc characters do don’t feel unique.
The morale and the way they do it to make the game harder is trash drop rates are on a whole another level of being straight garbage. What in the world am I getting 2 Star equipment On the new difficulty. And for the love of God, do something about the martial arts because basically most of them are useless. I love teen ninja games. I was able to beat depths of the Underworld in neo by one shouting. Most things shadow mind grinding. But the grind in this game is terrible.
Melee doesn't suck; You just lack the understanding of the system to make it do damage. However since you just spam Guding, that's not particularly surprising.
I platinumed the game and got to max level and beat ng+ in 24 total gameplay hours. The combat is very fun imo but there’s just nothing to do and absolutely no reason to grind. I run melee only and I haven’t gone to the dlc yet, kinda just don’t care. Also it’s not very difficult, at least to me
I didn’t even finish the first run of this game. It just wasn’t fun, especially coming off Nioh 2. I bought Stranger of Paradise afterward and it was more satisfying.
There should be a limit to RNG in these games it’s ridiculous the amount of time I spent grinding in Nioh 1 and then in nioh 2 they added even more RNG on top of it after which strangers of paradise released I was okay with grinding in that game it felt simple then the DLC came out and they added for things thus inflating the RNG then I said f**k it I ain’t playing any of these stupid Ninja theory games anymore so I haven’t touched Wo-long and its the best decision I made now I play normal games where I have fun playing the game rather then grinding things.
Every new TN game just gets worse and worse. Every new game has less content than the last. FF is Nioh with less features and Wo Long is just FF with even less features. They remove 50% of the content and add one new feature.
tbh... this game sucks, coming from Nioh 1 and Nioh 2 this game feels like a downgrade... the combat isnt the same as Nioh 1 and 2 nioh had variety in builds and playstyle, freedom with bunch of weapon skills and special weapon arts. i was hype before but the game is just boring, and lots of bugs on PC too. Nioh 1 and 2 were their best masterpiece besides ninja Gaiden. just my opinion
I hated the +1 weapon system in Nioh it's such a waste of time to do, glad they got rid of it in WL but thats the only good thing in WL. The flag system is meant to prevent you from speedrunning levels to bosses but its such horrible idea, it shouldn't exist with Diablo like game as it stands this game shouldn't have NG+ system as there is no incentive what so ever due to how the gameplay works. They missed so many marks with this game it's unreal.
I couldnt get into Wu Long, didnt like the combat or the spells. I also compared it against Nioh 2 and Nioh 2 is just better in every way to what Wu Long is trying to do.
Hi,i am from Brazil and what you said is The Truth both dificcult in the game suck and the balance in boss battle are broken Lu Bu and Liu Bei i really hate them. The new dificult is more ridiculous.
Wolong is, sadly, a crap game. Like in the real world it is just a cheap china copy. Lame weapons, boring colorless monotonous worlds, mechanics worsened etc etc.
