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Woke Racism Defies Logic! 

The Poetry of Reality with Richard Dawkins
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I have long wanted to meet John McWhorter. He’s an extremely well-known public intellectual and opinion leader who, in my opinion, always talks sense. I have this rather eccentric idea that before becoming a public intellectual, you need to earn your credentials by having something important and interesting to be intellectual about, and John McWhorter qualifies in a big way. He is a world authority on linguistics, the study of the extraordinary phenomenon of human language, which I think is one of the most important and interesting subjects out there.
We both spoke at the Dissident Dialogues conference in New York this year, and I seized the opportunity to invite him onto The Poetry of Reality. I was delighted and honored when he accepted. I began by asking him about linguistics, including the vexed question of the origin of language.
Only later did we move on to his more controversial book, a book that I strongly recommend, “Woke Racism: How a New Religion Has Betrayed Black America.
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@notfarfromgone1
@notfarfromgone1 20 дней назад
How fortunate we are to listen in on this. Gratitude.
@IRGeamer
@IRGeamer 17 дней назад
How fortunate you must be to find a boundless source of baseless assertions that so very conveniently happen to support all your bigotry... /s Every accusation is an admission... "The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt.” - Bertrand Russell Brandolini's law - "The amount of energy needed to refute BS is an order of magnitude bigger than that needed to produce it.”
@notfarfromgone1
@notfarfromgone1 17 дней назад
@@IRGeamer - how unfortunate that you seem eager to lash out. get some rest/water and go hug something.
@Burner39
@Burner39 16 дней назад
@@IRGeamerI’d genuinely like to debate your thoughts - maybe we could educate one another.
@angelozachos8777
@angelozachos8777 14 дней назад
@@IRGeamer The arguments which challenge your WOKE ideology are increasingly becoming more refined , articulate , robust. WOKE’S destruction & failure is imminent. Your irritation is understandable. Continue coping .
@troy3456789
@troy3456789 13 дней назад
@@IRGeamer I was in disbelief until I read the book "On the Origin of Species", then I realized it has nothing to do with belief at all. You discover that Darwin's was a discovery and that he gets the credit for discovering evolution, because he did all the hard work and documentation of it in a format the everyone can read. Many, many people long before Darwin had proposed the idea, but Darwin did all the hard work. It's just like Galileo gets the credit for discovering that Psalms 104 vs 5 could not possibly be correct, because he did the hard work of it and made it available to everyone. The sun doesn't rise, and it certainly doesn't go around the earth. The church made him recant his discovery, or they would have executed him. Had Darwin discovered what he did 300 years before, the same thing would have happened to him as a result of religious authority.
@RKupyr
@RKupyr 20 дней назад
Richard, why make this interview so short? Please continue your discussion with John again, soon. Fabulous juxtaposing of the evolution of biology and linguistics!
@elingrome5853
@elingrome5853 12 дней назад
Dude is very old and quite Ill 😉
@susanaltman5134
@susanaltman5134 20 дней назад
I think there is a self-congratulatory aspect to not judging historical people by the times and place they lived in. I think there are people who believe that they would've had no prejudices even if they were born 500 years ago. They are over impressed by themselves.
@jamesthecat
@jamesthecat 20 дней назад
Well said!
@gerardlewis209
@gerardlewis209 20 дней назад
There's also a sense that the people who tear down statues naively believe that only perfect beings deserve statues, which in turn suggests a troubling belief in the possibility of perfect beings, along with an equally troubling penchant for hero worship. Sorry mate, this Churchill statue is here because he helped win an important war, not because we think he was some kind of enlightened guru.
@twntwrs
@twntwrs 16 дней назад
​@@gerardlewis209Churchill deserves a statue for this observation alone: ""Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith."
@dfloyd2279
@dfloyd2279 8 дней назад
@@gerardlewis209 That being said there is always a disconnect in the Republic called America This Republic was founded on Genocide and Slavery thereby creating a Caste System that must be protected by any methods necessary This inherited bias is a mirror white Americans refuse to look at “Mr Carter what do you have?” “The United States of America the rest of you are just visiting.” From the Film ( The Good Shepherd)
@zachthornton8337
@zachthornton8337 7 дней назад
Absolutely! 👍
@slotcarpalace
@slotcarpalace 20 дней назад
John McWhorter is one of the great minds of our time. Holy shit, this was amazing!
@dezurniprovokator373
@dezurniprovokator373 16 дней назад
Actually he is not! That claim is way too big.
@user-gh8yb8sh3b
@user-gh8yb8sh3b 16 дней назад
I love listening to John McWhorter.
@elingrome5853
@elingrome5853 12 дней назад
@@dezurniprovokator373 ok mr pedant ;) but I agree, even John would say thats a little over hyped :)
@willmercury
@willmercury 12 дней назад
​@@elingrome5853 It's not pedantry if it's on point and at scale; it's merely setting the record straight. John is brilliant and wonderful, and doesn't need the hyperbole to be appreciated.
@skipfluck4299
@skipfluck4299 6 дней назад
Not really, he is just using basic logic, that we all should be using.
@MrSidney9
@MrSidney9 20 дней назад
The discussion around linguistics was so fascinating. McWhorter never disappoints.
@name-vi6fs
@name-vi6fs 13 дней назад
I love it when he discusses linguistics.
@DC-zi6se
@DC-zi6se 8 дней назад
Indo-European and Afro Asiatic languages have a common root??? Sanskrit, Avestan, Greek, Latin etc. related to Hebrew? Can that be possible 🤔
@cioccolateriaveneziana
@cioccolateriaveneziana 6 дней назад
It's always fascinating to reflext on language(s). 10:12 I'm not sure though if there is really such a difference between recursion and attribute: "The man who died yesterday was a famous writer." - "who died" has the same function of added information as the adjective "deceased". The sentence could be: "The deceased man was..."
@bofbob1
@bofbob1 2 дня назад
@@cioccolateriaveneziana In a generative analysis, "the deceased man" would be an example of recursion. No shade on McWhorter, but I find that using clausal embedding ("the man who X that Y that Z, etc.") as the go-to example for recursion almost always gives people the wrong idea. Take the following statement: "My sister is a smart scientist". Assign a number to each word in ascending order, 1-2-3-4-5-6. You can get local permutations, like 3-1-2-4-5-6 gets you the interrogative "Is my sister a smart scientist?". But some permutations can't happen because the component parts have fused together, "merged" as it were. "My sister" is stuck together. So is "a smart scientist". And so you could reinterpret the sentence at a higher level of analysis, as 1-2-3, where 1 is "my sister", 2 is "is" and 3 is "a smart scientist". What Chomsky postulated in his minimalist program is that all languages have this merge function. And recursion is a property of merge. I can merge "my" and "sister" to get "my sister", which will then function as its own discrete unit, but then I can use merge again with an adjective, merging "my sister" with "big" to get "my big sister", which will then function as its own discrete unit, etc. So in your example "the deceased man", you've already used merge twice. "The man", then "the deceased man". That's what Chomsky means by recursion. Clausal embedding is one example of recursion, but it's not the only one. And because they always use clausal embedding as the go-to example, this creates the misleading impression that a language without clausal embedding (like Piraha) is a language without recursion, which just isn't true (Piraha has merge, and therefore recursion). In a language without merge, you could imagine generalized linear rules. Say, maybe the way you form the negation of our example sentence ("my sister is not a smart scientist") would be by linearly reversing all the component parts: 6-5-4-3-2-1, i.e. "scientist smart a is sister my". No known language does this. For generativists like Chomsky, this proves that language processing is necessarily hierarchical, not linear. FWIW that's also why he doesn't think LLMs tell us anything about language. Because an LLM could easily produce a linear language where 6-5-4-3-2-1 was the negation of 1-2-3-4-5-6. And if it can produce languages that humans can't, then it's really not telling us anything about human language at all. So he argues anyway.
@cioccolateriaveneziana
@cioccolateriaveneziana 2 дня назад
@@bofbob1 Thank you for the explanation! So my intuition was right, recursion doesn't require clauses. The clauses are a formal mean to express something that can also be expressed in other syntactic ways (like a clause with the function of an attribute, or an adjective with the same function).
@antitheistvegan
@antitheistvegan 20 дней назад
Ahh two of my favourite people!! Great chemistry between them.
@pcbacklash_3261
@pcbacklash_3261 20 дней назад
Love McWhorter, like Dawkins, but I always learn something when I listen to either of these two.
@ReverendDr.Thomas
@ReverendDr.Thomas 17 дней назад
I have a video on my channel regarding VEGANISM, in case you are interested to watch it. Incidentally, the plural of "person" is "PERSONS", not "people".
@c2jsi
@c2jsi 20 дней назад
This was so good. Two public intellectuals for whom l still have the time and patience.
@davife
@davife 20 дней назад
What a enlightening conversation. This could be a monthly talk and I would watch it.
@paulthompson3156
@paulthompson3156 20 дней назад
It’s nice to hear people talking about racism in a thoughtful and informative way and contrasts sharply to the ideological screaming of most other forms of this type of conversation. One of the biggest problems of wokeness is the shutting down of conversations and ostracism of people who have dissenting opinions that diverge from the woke dogma.
@brixan...
@brixan... 20 дней назад
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@pcbacklash_3261
@pcbacklash_3261 20 дней назад
Absolutely! Couldn't have said it better myself.
@bastiaanvanbeek
@bastiaanvanbeek 19 дней назад
Most content on the internet and tv about woke and racism is highly sensational, impulsive, prejudiced, annoying, boring, irrational, agressive, polarised, superficial etc. And unfortunately, there aren't many Richard Dawkinses around there. And even worse: the most nuanced and honest people on this planet, like Richard Dawkins, will even be disliked by those oversensitive irrational woke and racism debaters and other figures. It's a strange world.
@pcbacklash_3261
@pcbacklash_3261 19 дней назад
@@bastiaanvanbeek I'm afraid you're right. The WORST part is that the lunatics on the Right and Left seem to feed each other. They constantly provide the most extreme examples for each other to use to 'prove' just how bad the other side is! And the rest of us get drowned out in all the circus noise.
@pdcdesign9632
@pdcdesign9632 18 дней назад
The so called woke dogma needed to be expressed loudly and aggressively so those old school racist idiots could hear loud and clear 😮
@pegm5937
@pegm5937 20 дней назад
The language discussion was fascinating ❤
@rustyshackleford8497
@rustyshackleford8497 20 дней назад
Wow, McWhorter and Dawkins! Absolutely brilliant, what a treasure!!!
@weshard1
@weshard1 20 дней назад
I want that tie, and I don’t even own a suit.
@warrenny
@warrenny 19 дней назад
👍
@adrianbalmes5704
@adrianbalmes5704 18 дней назад
yeah it is lit!
@SonOfMorning
@SonOfMorning 17 дней назад
Looks trippy
@dongeonmaster8547
@dongeonmaster8547 20 дней назад
Another fascinating interview. I've never heard of John McWhorter before but I am now a fan. I'm looking forward to checking out his work.
@joyatodd
@joyatodd 20 дней назад
As a kayaker the idea of island hopping and coastal exploration makes total sense to me. If one has nouns, hand signals are very useful at sea because sound doesn't carry well. So a proto language might have been quite gestural.
@theflamingone8729
@theflamingone8729 9 дней назад
Indigenous Australians use sign languages.
@joyatodd
@joyatodd 9 дней назад
@@theflamingone8729 I believe a couple of the North American tribes used sign language during hunting, as do modern soldiers and police in certain circumstances. We are a very adaptable species.
@theflamingone8729
@theflamingone8729 9 дней назад
@@joyatodd I think anyone who needs to communicate quietly has a form of sign language, those were good examples and applications you mentioned. The languages the Indigenous use here even cover kinship and lineage, whether maternal or paternal side. I think as with anything, need drives development of language.
@DC-zi6se
@DC-zi6se 8 дней назад
Exactly! like imagine escaping a remote island with someone who doesn't speak your language but understands the goal is to escape. 😅
@theflamingone8729
@theflamingone8729 8 дней назад
@@DC-zi6se great analogy, every situation that requires a solution could be viewed as escaping a remote island.
@barbaraleonard8379
@barbaraleonard8379 20 дней назад
This was fascinating !!!!! Thank you so much. The two of you all in one ,well can't get any better than that.
@9ja9ite
@9ja9ite 20 дней назад
What an enjoyable conversation to listen to. It’s such a pleasure to hear people having a conversation with an exchange of ideas. So many podcasts are just people talking at each other that is a real gem when you find people actually engaging with each other.
@jeromedangelo7028
@jeromedangelo7028 20 дней назад
McWorter is amazing! So glad you had him on!
@Traderbear
@Traderbear 20 дней назад
I could have listened to you both for hours 😊
@soulpresencesa
@soulpresencesa 20 дней назад
Very enlightening indeed. What a pleasure to watch two such clever guys.
@fartypants7060
@fartypants7060 17 дней назад
Great breath of fresh air. I genuinely believe that we lack the language to even talk about "race" in a meaningful way.
@bastiaanvanbeek
@bastiaanvanbeek 19 дней назад
I must admit that when I read "Woke" and "Racism" in the title of this video I was a bit turned off and wanted to skip it, since those topics are so boring and annoying. But I enjoyed just watching McWhorter and Dawkins in conversation as for the intellectual and academic side.
@jeremyeblack4987
@jeremyeblack4987 5 дней назад
Golly gee wiz thanks for being so enlightened
@georgekitchen7046
@georgekitchen7046 4 дня назад
​@@jeremyeblack4987was your response neccessary? What was the point of it?
@jeremyeblack4987
@jeremyeblack4987 2 дня назад
@@georgekitchen7046 Honestly, at the time it seemed relevant, but now I'm not sure why.
@georgekitchen7046
@georgekitchen7046 2 дня назад
@@jeremyeblack4987 haha
@PattisKarriereKarten
@PattisKarriereKarten 20 дней назад
I see JohnMcWhorter and Richard Dawkins, I click. 👍
@bertieboo
@bertieboo 14 дней назад
Thank you so much for a brilliant conversation ❤
@mobeltass
@mobeltass 3 дня назад
So good to hear two of my greatest heroes in conversation! I remember listening to John McWhorter's lectures on human language as an audio book many years ago, I recommended it to pretty much every person I met for several years. I still think he's one of the best lecturers I've heard, and one of the greatest intellectuals of today. I also must say that he really doesn't look like he's born in -65! Good genes on that guy.
@PhaseOfMars
@PhaseOfMars 20 дней назад
Two of my favorite intellectuals.
@andrewcunningham6957
@andrewcunningham6957 16 дней назад
I love listening to John McWhorter and Glenn Louwry hash out culture, but getting an insight into his linguistic interests is a real treat.
@PippaPeerless
@PippaPeerless 16 дней назад
I wasn't aware of who John McWhorter was. Boy, what a fantastic mind! Thank you very much indeed Richard 🍰
@maganzo
@maganzo 20 дней назад
I like John, haven't seen him long time. This man thinks clearly.
@AllIsWellaus
@AllIsWellaus 19 дней назад
Lol. You really reached high in your compliment. The art of speaking clearly. 😉🫣
@rogerward801
@rogerward801 5 дней назад
On regularly with Glenn Loury
@domm6812
@domm6812 19 дней назад
Brilliantly articulate, thoughtful and well reasoned. It is a genuine relief to see that intelligent, rational people still exist in academia and are pushing back against the steamroller tactics of the far left.
@dunkel.760
@dunkel.760 17 дней назад
It's always great to listen to Mr. Richard Dawkins, thank you very much sir, for what you have done for reason and critical thinking. Great interview, John McWhorter, he is brilliant.
@harrypalmer3481
@harrypalmer3481 12 дней назад
Listening to these two Gents gives me a small but significant sense of relief & hope, at least for a short while, & perhaps longer. Appreciated.
@Tamara-qd5dc
@Tamara-qd5dc 16 дней назад
John McWhorter is a thinker, scientist and humanist to his core.
@willmercury
@willmercury 12 дней назад
Indeed, but what about mantle and his crust?
@AndrewHelgeCox
@AndrewHelgeCox 20 дней назад
The audio version of this went out as a repeat of the previous episode with Ayaan Hirsi Ali. I wasn't sure where to inform you about this so I'm making this comment here. I observed the problem in the pocket casts app.
@TimDeadmenVP
@TimDeadmenVP 17 дней назад
Top tier conversation, top tier tie.
@dalelerette206
@dalelerette206 20 дней назад
I don't think we are aware of the virtual reality of the language we speak. Convergent evolution seems to be a covergence of evoluionary factors that mirror languages merging.
@bertrandrussell894
@bertrandrussell894 20 дней назад
Long time fan of both men. Thank you so much for taking the time to visit, John.. We all know you dont care for traveling)
@frankmcloughlin7076
@frankmcloughlin7076 19 дней назад
Ahh, so that's why he's going on tour then, just to get over his dislike of travelling...
@wistfulthinker8801
@wistfulthinker8801 15 дней назад
I wish I could give a thousand likes. One of the best conversations I’ve heard in a very long time. On the subject of where a word like rock came from, it just makes my mind wander. I thought of a grave stone that hominids called by the name of the person buried there, or even a rock or object above the grave. Years later someone with no knowledge of the person hears that name and generalizes it to the object in general. Maybe an object named after the name of a person who had characteristics that object represented to them. We’ll never really know.
@PineMartyn
@PineMartyn 16 дней назад
What an enlightening conversation. Thank you both.
@scotthullinger4684
@scotthullinger4684 16 дней назад
Not just woke racism, but woke EVERYTHING defies logic -
@three_owl_night
@three_owl_night 10 дней назад
Well said.
@CliffSedge-nu5fv
@CliffSedge-nu5fv 10 дней назад
The point is that everything "woke" is racist.
@rodhmu
@rodhmu 9 дней назад
Can you define woke for me? No one has been able to yet.
@scotthullinger4684
@scotthullinger4684 9 дней назад
@@rodhmu - - WOKE means ... incontrovertibly anti-American, insane, militantly ignorant, disregarding those in-your-face varieties of truth which the Woke Masters constantly ignore without trepidation. To be Woke is to be prideful beyond the mark. The WOKE are dedicated to essentially one thing - FALSEHOODS - The 100% truth about woke is that it's precisely the opposite of what it claims to be. In effect ... the goals which they achieve by their woke methods achieve precisely the opposite of what they claim to desire and make corrections regarding. Wokesters are fucking hypocrites. Case closed - Being woke is the same as pretending to be enlightened to truth of the highest order. The pretending highlights its existence, because those who favor the more woke ways of doing things are the same people who are by far the most ignorant of the sorts of truths which matter most. They're utterly empty and hollow. Being woke has not a scintilla of humility involved. It's characterized by unbridled narcissism and self righteousness. I doubt that any truly sane person would claim those characteristics are virtues. Being woke is allowing yourself to be told by other people what to think, what to say, and what to do on a daily basis. The woke world can operate ONLY when citizens are gullible stupid imbeciles who unquestionably obey their mindless masters whose values are suspect. Being WOKE is the same as such thoughts & attitudes have always been ... except that it has now become much more EXTREME.
@scotthullinger4684
@scotthullinger4684 9 дней назад
Falsehoods of the WOKE - Shall we examine them? Let's make a list - shall we start with all the "global warming" bullshit? Ha! As if we can actually resolve it, and as if it's actually a dire problem to begin with; next, a woke attitude is tantamount to a disrespect of authority; ignore law enforcement, ignore any sane person in a position of power who actually makes sense ... and yet approving of the idiots who make NO sense whatsoever - Biden for example; those who re-write American history with the actual goal of disseminating LIES regarding American history, our founders, taking a shit on our Founding Documents, and so forth; to be woke is to actually be stupid enough to believe that Trump committed the crimes for which he was convicted - which will unequivocally be entirely resolved at a future date at a future trail which is absent of any idiot Woke judges and jurors; to be woke is to totally disrespect law enforcement, and to ignore crimes among any officers who do indeed happen to be WOKE. Los Angeles and NYC are the cream of the crop regarding this, as well as Chicago, and any very large city in any state. There - did I dumb it down enough for all of you pathetic self-righteous dummies out there? You people really need to be a special brand of Woke Stupid to misunderstand or disagree with me.
@weshard1
@weshard1 20 дней назад
Check out all of the Lexicon Valley podcasts that John used to do. I used to binge-listen to them a few years back. Such a likeable, rational guy. Time to re-listen, I think.
@liberationinternational3210
@liberationinternational3210 19 дней назад
Wonderful conversation, thank you 🙏🏻
@FoxxDaBest
@FoxxDaBest 17 дней назад
Great discussion on language - nearly missed this because of the video's title!
@MelissaKnoxwriter
@MelissaKnoxwriter 20 дней назад
Two of my favorite thinkers! A real treat. Thank you
@Casseopia777
@Casseopia777 20 дней назад
Utterly fascinating. Thank you.
@hadleys.4869
@hadleys.4869 6 дней назад
Great interview. I wish it was Longer!
@nzsigaus
@nzsigaus 3 дня назад
I love the idea that a foreign dialect becomes a different language once you stop getting beaten up for imitating it. Incidentally, the hybrid zone to which you refer is probably Chorthippus parallelus/erythropus in the Pyrenees, though there are of course examples of orthopteran zones in the US too (e.g. Gryllus pennsylvanicus/firmus in the Appalachians)
@luckyluckydog123
@luckyluckydog123 20 дней назад
what an exceptional guest! I could listen to you both for hours
@jonmeador8637
@jonmeador8637 19 дней назад
The ultimate insult: “It’s a religion!”
@Jr-qo4ls
@Jr-qo4ls 18 дней назад
Spot on!
@ReverendDr.Thomas
@ReverendDr.Thomas 17 дней назад
NOT if one understands what constitutes religion.
@twntwrs
@twntwrs 16 дней назад
​@@ReverendDr.ThomasReligion: Assuming to know the unknowable and explaining it in terms of the not worth knowing.
@ReverendDr.Thomas
@ReverendDr.Thomas 16 дней назад
@@twntwrs, have you ever considered applying for work editing DICTIONARY entries? 📖 If so, I would STRONGLY urge you to reconsider. 😜
@dharmaqueen7877
@dharmaqueen7877 4 дня назад
​@@twntwrsThat's basically what McWhorter and Dawkins are doing here.
@freddydal2226
@freddydal2226 20 дней назад
All the best for your upcoming journeys Mr Dawkins... I am booked in for event in Oxford.
@forrestorange
@forrestorange 19 дней назад
I'm so surprised that English people struggle so tremendously to see that English is so much closer to German than it is to French, really fascinating....
@sananton2821
@sananton2821 13 дней назад
People are obsessed with words and easily quantifiable measures.
@razzle_dazzle
@razzle_dazzle 13 дней назад
Interesting... I'm a native English speaker and it doesn't seem that way to me! What's your native language?
@DaboooogA
@DaboooogA 20 дней назад
Great link up between these two - two shared domains and they have something insightful to offer in both.
@cerebrumpateo8112
@cerebrumpateo8112 20 дней назад
2 great thinkers, what a delight to listen to
@hypatia3068
@hypatia3068 20 дней назад
This was brilliant - thanks to both of you!
@jurgenfickentscher9423
@jurgenfickentscher9423 7 дней назад
What a wonderful talk and discussion. Thank you very much sharing this. It’s great to see and hear that we can overcome hysteria regarding social interaction if we really want. Thanks again with greetings from a highly delighted German.
@alexlalov7152
@alexlalov7152 20 дней назад
Two of my favourite people in a conversation!
@davecacace7113
@davecacace7113 18 дней назад
Great conversation. It sparked so many related topics. I have always had great respect for Richard and his endorsement of John McWhorter was clearly justified. Two intellectuals traversing an extremely interesting topic. Fantastic video!! Thank you
@diarchos5019
@diarchos5019 18 дней назад
What a fabulous, thought provoking discussion. Thank you 🙏🏻
@marceauratard6869
@marceauratard6869 6 дней назад
2 of my favorites finally meet, this was great
@elingrome5853
@elingrome5853 12 дней назад
FYI @ 37 mins... Elite: This word comes from the Old French "elit," which means "chosen" or "selected." This, in turn, comes from the Latin "electus," the past participle of "eligere," meaning "to choose." Elect: This word directly derives from the Latin "electus," also the past participle of "eligere
@BoJangles42
@BoJangles42 4 дня назад
Wonderful conversation, many thanks for sharing it.
@13olibrown
@13olibrown 20 дней назад
This was a fascinating talk. Thank you both for such an engaging and thought stimulating discussion!
@T1tmouse1
@T1tmouse1 20 дней назад
its absolutely adorable to see how excited these two are to talk to eachother and about these subjects
@jcortese3300
@jcortese3300 20 дней назад
Dawkins' definition of language v dialect is amazing and really deserves attention. However, he's off about English being Norman French just in terms of word counts. Word frequency matters much, much more. Which words do we lean on all the time for day to day talking? The Germanic ones. We use words like "cerebellum" and "visionary" many orders of magnitude less than we use words like "give," "have," or "the." Here's another example: Each word I'm speaking now comes from Frisian Dutch. (Same for the sentence above that starts with "Which words.") Churchill's entire "We shall fight" speech (with the exception of one word) comes from Frisian Dutch. Try writing a speech with only Norman French words. Can't be done. In terms of word use, English is absolutely a Germanic tongue.
@Yossarianhoenikker
@Yossarianhoenikker 20 дней назад
Did you use Churchill's speech as an example because you saw it on the Stephen Fry fry Language talk, or is it a known thing that both you and Stephen Fry came across independently?
@jcortese3300
@jcortese3300 20 дней назад
@@Yossarianhoenikker Both independently. I learned it in the 1970s.
@EmperorsNewWardrobe
@EmperorsNewWardrobe 20 дней назад
Really enjoying this channel, Richard!
@post_hit_invincibility9940
@post_hit_invincibility9940 8 дней назад
John is a fantastic lecturer. Absolutely brilliant. I highly recommend his "Story of human language" lecture-series on audible.
@DG123z
@DG123z 19 дней назад
Brilliant ❤️ I love interdisciplinary discussions
@lenloving
@lenloving 10 дней назад
I would love to hear part two with continued musings about linguistics and evolution!
@Erika-bl7sj
@Erika-bl7sj 16 дней назад
Great pleasure to listen to those two brilliant scholars
@allanflippin2453
@allanflippin2453 19 дней назад
I nearly marked this video "not interested" and considered telling RU-vid to not recommend the channel. But I looked around some first, then listened to the video and I'm glad I didn't "cancel" it. Basically, I "cancel" any video that talks about "woke", and I check to see if the channel that put it on seems to traffic in that stuff. I'm a liberal in the US and among other liberals that I know, the word "woke" is almost never used. Instead, the emphasis is on treating people decently even if they differ from us. If somebody DOES talk about "woke" it will be the right wingers or religious bigots who are framing strawman cases to show how liberals are stupid, dangerous or both! For me, removing videos about "woke" and channels that want to talk about it is a fairly quick and accurate way to remove content I don't want to waste my time on! In this case, I would have made a big mistake. Thanks for speaking with Mr. McWhorter and for a having a very interesting discussion!
@thecuriousidiot
@thecuriousidiot 19 дней назад
I agree, labels are thrown around too easily and can be very polarizing. The left does it too with 'far right' or right wing to refer to people such as John. We are expected to start an article with lots of preconceived ideas. I even see articles in the media that remind you at the start that so and so once posted a video on the far right platform....As you have done, we need to forget the labels and examine what people say. In his book, Woke Racism, he explains why he chose that title. He wouldn't usually attack people with labels. For me, he is a voice of reason. His argument that the current ethos about white patriarchy all being rabidly racist and non whites are all victims is racist in itself and not helpful regarding the great good, is very compelling. I thought the book The New Puritans was also very good, a book that talks about many topics in John's book.
@twntwrs
@twntwrs 16 дней назад
You seem to have missed entirely how Dawkins and McWhorter here coincide on how wokery is precisely when liberals are at their most stupid and dangerous...
@sananton2821
@sananton2821 13 дней назад
lmao imagine being a liberal and a man
@jaquiphillips9816
@jaquiphillips9816 20 дней назад
Interesting, thought provoking exchange.
@jocelynconvery3462
@jocelynconvery3462 15 дней назад
Always so stimulating to hear from you Dr. Dawkins. Thank-you
@user-rr8uu5pd7f
@user-rr8uu5pd7f 20 дней назад
This is fantastic, as always with Richard.
@andrewlim9345
@andrewlim9345 2 дня назад
Thanks, this is a thoughtful and provoking dialogue.
@RhetoricalMuse
@RhetoricalMuse 20 дней назад
Dawkins podcast has it's own vibe. I like it.
@bastiaanvanbeek
@bastiaanvanbeek 19 дней назад
It has a little bit of Lawrence Krauss and Alex O'Connor to it, but still it has indeed its own vibe.
@thistles
@thistles 17 дней назад
As always, it’s a pleasure and privilege to listen.
@elingrome5853
@elingrome5853 12 дней назад
This was fabulous guys thanks
@biografmaskinist
@biografmaskinist 6 дней назад
Great conversation. fascinatin.
@TheChris403
@TheChris403 14 дней назад
Great conversation!
@c0bra969
@c0bra969 20 дней назад
Why am I just finding out about this channel?
@BryanWLepore
@BryanWLepore 17 дней назад
That tie - wow!
@just_another32
@just_another32 9 дней назад
Richard was one of the few well known British academics to speak out against woke racism (in his UnHerd interview with Freddie Sayers last year). It came late, but still very much appreciated. Thank you!
@urisimchoni3936
@urisimchoni3936 10 дней назад
I clicked on this video because of the "Woke" in the title, but the conversation was enlightening much beyond that stuff.
@micu1544
@micu1544 17 дней назад
Tom Holland's book "Dominion" is worth a read regarding the woke segment being basically a Christian heresy
@YT2024Hayward
@YT2024Hayward 19 дней назад
You guys are my two favorite humans 💚💚💚
@PaulForeman-po2gw
@PaulForeman-po2gw 17 дней назад
The upload on Spotify is the wrong audio - it’s a repeat of the previous episode with Ayaan Hirsi Ali, but with the title of this video.
@anthonyrispo1229
@anthonyrispo1229 12 дней назад
These two need to write a book together or get a series going or something. Amazing.
@ericchristen2623
@ericchristen2623 16 дней назад
Language is the physical result of mental imaging, thought and reason based on perception of the environment...
@ericchristen2623
@ericchristen2623 16 дней назад
Or Lung witchery for short...😅
@ericmyers5940
@ericmyers5940 12 дней назад
John is a legend. Great conversations with him and Glenn Loury.
@bernmahan1162
@bernmahan1162 19 дней назад
Excellent discussion.
@BoomstickFTW
@BoomstickFTW 5 дней назад
Great conversation
@mindymild
@mindymild 10 дней назад
Wonderful!!
@whitewhite2410
@whitewhite2410 19 дней назад
Great video as always ❤❤❤
@bertokleine280
@bertokleine280 20 дней назад
Brillant…….thanks ….🥳🥳
@fastenbulbous
@fastenbulbous 14 дней назад
Just a heads up, those are side address mics, so they should be set up to talk into the side of the mic, not the top. That’s why the audio sounds a bit thin.
@rasmussonderriis
@rasmussonderriis 14 дней назад
In Amharic, recursion makes verbs behave like adjectives. For instance, "the bar where we watch football" would literally be something like "the football that-we-watch-in-it bar"
@razzle_dazzle
@razzle_dazzle 13 дней назад
Interesting! I wonder if it's like that in all Semitic languages.
@ckjhh
@ckjhh 20 дней назад
I’m an 8th black but I still call myself white bc it wld be ridiculous to call myself black when I don’t appear to be so. However, my brothers are mixed and yet each of the 3 call themselves something, white, brown and black which shows this generation thinks of race very different from our parents and this isn’t a bad thing
@AcademicIsraeli
@AcademicIsraeli 17 дней назад
Two brilliant minds. Inspiring.
@michael_leclezio
@michael_leclezio 20 дней назад
Please be careful during your tour, maybe have bodyguards because of what happened to Rushdie 😢. All the best Richard.
@Wingedmagician
@Wingedmagician 20 дней назад
im so glad dawkins decided to start a podcast
@bastiaanvanbeek
@bastiaanvanbeek 19 дней назад
Usually, the wrong types of people decide to start a podcast or a vlog, and on rare occasions, the best people, like Richard, decide it too.
@EricGray-zr2es
@EricGray-zr2es 6 дней назад
"Only once. Oh, but only those two times.." There's your modern scientist, ladies and gentlemen
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