At 61, here in the uk I went back to college to study photography....I should have known better. It was bad enough 40 years ago, but this time around , being in a creative acedemic environment was truly insufferable- I felt as if I couldn't breathe out; the fragility and self-importance of both staff and students had me walking on eggshells from the minute I walked through the door. Something needs to change.
I graduated from UC Berkeley (California) 40 years ago- now, I can't stand being anywhere near that town! Oakland (next door) is a murder capitol and San Francisco has become a homeless, dumpy, woke catastrophe. More storefronts are boarded up than open- huge, multistoried malls at the city center abandoned because of rampant theft. Homeless tents block the sidewalks, and nobody dares to lock their car lest thieves break the windows. Zombified druggies are at every major intersection- hunting tourists for "spare" dollars and "social justice progressives" still wear those ridiculous plastic covid masks.
I am so, so thankful that my 28 year old daughter did not become a toxic feminist's, she survived four years of college, 3 years of her Master's Degree which is a miracle to me when she did high, college, and university in DC. In her high school the obamas visited , in college nancy pelosi visited, etc. My daughter is married and has given me two precious grandsons and my third grandson is going to be born at the end of August which means it's two months away. Thank you so much Doctor Peterson. I am an immigrant woman born in Honduras. My personal experience living in DC I can say that I have been discriminated most by blacks, and hispanics.I do not take it personal because I feel sorry for them because I know that they just losers and full of hate. Hate is not from God. Hate, division, entitlement, victimhood, etc come straight from satan. I am jus thankful to be alive and have the opportunity of living in the USA for over 25 years. Deo gratias.
Can I just say, WoW! I live in the general area, experience the same Hate and your comment just made me feel a little less angry. Your are right, it really is their problem. Just keep living a life of Love, like we are called to do.
The anti-feminists would still describe her as a toxic feminist for having a successful education and a Masters. She may be a mother and a wife, but her educational attainment was achieved through feminist means. Their forged pathways allowed her to reach such a limit in her educational attainment.
I live in Africa and we have an international school which goes up to high school and my experience of these children is that they are very thoroughly indoctrinated by the time they leave!
Thanks for the insight. I to think the new moral system is being taught to the younger students. That they beleve these things well before university age. Most adults dont know what is happening at schools and this new morality being taught.
A local university has had a program for several years now that allows Seniors 62 years old and older to attend one class per semester for free. I decided to start attending several years ago just to be myself and have influence just by being authentically myself a older (67 currently) white male Christian. So far, I have taken several writing classes (Poetry, Fiction). By not being offended and clearly explaining myself (I’m not there to fight) not mind being a lighting rod. Because I wanted to hear them, they started to want to hear me. I believe if more seniors reengage younger generations and just be who they are. They really love most of our stories. Don’t try to convert just be. Thank you for the conversation.
I work with a tribe of young and youngish women, at least half lesbians/activists/woke. I'm completely myself, don't engage with their silliness. So far they ignore me completely and converse amongst themselves. Which is fine. I haven't made my MAGA political beliefs an issue at work, and I mostly laugh at them and wait till the clock says I can go home. I have no desire to engage, reengage, or do anything other than work with them. If they want to talk, I'm your woman. If not, same.
Dearest Dr. Peterson, it was such a joy to meet you last night. I was so shy and you were so gentle and tender with the shy ones. I was shy because I couldn’t imagine that you would recognize me and know me from my visiting with you here in the comment section and you DID and I get tears in my eyes thinking of it. And then I knew there wasn’t anything to be shy about, it’s just you, and you’re just the same in person as you are on camera, and I’m just the same in person as I am in my writing only shyer at first. I will fill you in on how things go with my literary agent as soon as I have any updates to share. It is amazing to me that of all the literary agents who represent my genre, the one agent who requested my full manuscript was one who handled your translation rights for the translation of “Twelve Rules” and “Beyond Order” into Hebrew. The reason this connection is so poignant to me is that without you, Dr. Peterson, there would not have been a completed manuscript. There would only have been a raw and unedited finished but shelved project filed under “failures.” And now it has a fighting chance of being a book that might serve to give comfort and hope to someone. Someday I hope to tell you all about it, and how you taught me that story matters, face to face. Until then, here is a hug until I can give you another one in person. With Ruth Anne’s love
@@WorldpeacebyJesus my book’s working title is “Pilgrim of Peace.” It’s science fiction but very gentle and character based and hopeful science fiction. Traditional publishing takes longer than years of torment but this is my adventure, this is my journey, and I’m not in it for the instant gratification, I’m in for the long haul.
@@afringedgentian5426 Thats so cool and wholesome. Im happy you are set on your goal and working to achieve it. Im so bad at story telling I wouldn't even imagine writing a book.
@@TheSabatuer I tell everyone: don’t write a book unless you must, unless you can’t NOT write the book. I had to write mine. It was burning a hole in my heart and had to be written. But I did not know until it was all written what Dr. Peterson taught me, that story MATTERS.
@@afringedgentian5426 That's a very interesting notion. Is this because its a long difficult process? Or you just don't want competition :p So true, Dr Peterson is a global treasure. My whole outlook on life shifted when I discovered his work on YT. An intellectual powerhouse. I'm so jealous you got to meet him. I could never underestimate the power of a good story after watching "Maps of Meaning"
Misplaced maternal instincts, absolutely. We were raised with every teacher, coach, etc telling us to wait to get married and have kids and never stop working. Women and children have suffered for this!!
Its always other people's fault? Why are you listening to anyone besides your family? Take some accountability! Men understand their internal instincts that can lead us astray and have setup controls and measure to keep it in check!
@TheSabatuer If you were raised in a culture which told men not to check their instincts, you would not check them. If you are raised in a culture telling you to wait to have kids, etc., natural to do so. The maternal instinct is nothing like a man's sex drive, btw. Bizarre argument.
This conversation is hardly logical at all. Kaufmann Is obviously unaware of the Social Forums, twenty three years of global communist conventions that planned and operationalized the "woke" movement. It is NOT emotionally driven. This is something most academics in South America acknowledge, given the organizing happened there first, with Venezuela and cuba at the helm. This guy's conclusions are drawn from such an incomplete awareness of the situation, It is maddening to anyone who knows better. (And the left is loving this because it takes attention away from their deliberately constructed networks).
@et_bell This "ranting," as you say, IS an attempt to understand. It's a deep dive into the psychology and pathologies of the people and culture responsible for the predicament. Not even halfway through Jordan redirected the conversation toward finding solutions. You need an open mind when dealing with these issues. Listening attentively would be a good place to start.
This framing of the world is being widely sourced and being concentrated for your consumption. Don't let an overreaching perspective cloud your views on the majority of society. We're mostly hard-working and caring in a broad sense, and there are millions in tech and science trying to enable long-term prosperity for the human race. But hyper focus on toilet protocols and hypotheticals about pronouns are living rent free in you recurring thought patterns.
I am 32, a millennial and have only just within the last year and a half or so changed my beliefs from being quite progressive to now fairly conservative. I had one PC class that pushed critical race theory or a version of it back in 2013 and have a very liberal mother and family whom I know argue over politics with. Even though DW is going through some things I have them to thank for breaking into my silly progressive brain with RU-vid shorts and Instagram reels back in 2021. Thank you Ben, Candace and Jordan 😆
33 year old lady 👋🏾. At 28 I started to change but I didn't quite understand the change or what my "new identity was". 5 years later, I know I'm a conservative Christian raised by African parents in East Africa in the 90s. That pretty sums up my values 😂.
hey welcome! You're late! I was a proud liberal Liberal until 2016 (more left of centre than anything,) when JBP started making waves about C16 in 2016. I said hold up, liberals don't curtail free speech! Then I realized the moderate left had disappeared (seemingly just a week after Trump was elected.) I realized the left which used to champion free speech and was critical in a moral, progressive definition of hate speech now could no longer adequately define not only hate speech, but fascism, sexism, homophobia or racism as well. I hardly have changed a single one of my positions except my propensity towards feminism. I didn't leave the Left... the Left left me. -Reagan
I think of my self as woke - but most people who call themselves woke after basically fascists in pretty much the traditional sense . I fear them. Conservatives are now more tolerant and open than mainstream woke. I have more on common with a conservative now, because woke has become fascist.
I tend to agree. But there's always a caveat. The current crop of Canadian Conservatives are tending to align with the worst Trumpian aspects of US-style Republicanism. That, in itself, is a dangerous path. I frankly don't see a Canadian political party that is moderately centrist, fiscally responsible, pro individual liberty, and secular. It just doesn't exist.
Are you joking? It's way too late for that. Canada is a lost cause. I left 3 years ago. And I'm 8-generations Canadian. I loved Canada, but the country doesn't exist anymore -- only in name.
Great conversation. Ireally enjoyed this. Dr Peterson have you looked into the new dating of the Shroud of Turin. I challenge you to look into it. I did and it has truly helped me with my doubt.. Love you man.
When i enrolled in a community collage one of our 1st semester classes was a humanities class, There was this "good ole country boy" from another small town nearby. He stood up in class during a lecture and told the instructor "you are so full of it, you trying to get us not to believe in God!"
There was this one professor in my first year of colleage and classes were literally about structure of the story and literature and EVERY TIME she would bring up religion out of nowhere and speak against it, how christianity doesn't make sense etc. knowing most of students here are christians and we can't argue back (as someone who actually studied Bible I was trying so hard to not show cringe on my face because her arguments weren't even good, I could've easily answeared them with two sentences. She was just full of hatred :/)
I finished collagen in 2010. I'm glad I finished when I did. I only had to take one diversity course (women's literature). That professor tended to grade based on what she wanted or expected to read. I noticed some arguments in the margins on my papers. Also, the philosophy professor clearly preferred some philosophers over others. Guess who. All this to say, I really just wanted to misspell college on this thread.
Dr. Peterson, at minute 52:25 you asked your guest why homeschooled children score nearly as high as public or private schooled children on measures of wokeness and I posit the reason is social media. Studies are clear that nearly all children, regardless of the type of education they receive, are functionally addicted to social media and that it influences their opinions more than any other single factor.
@@Joefrenomicsdon’t let your kids on social media and make sure that the kids they play with aren’t on it either and give them other things to do like we did in the 70’s, 80’ and 90’s before social media and smart phones. How did we ever survive or have fun without them? You know going outside to play, ride bikes, climb trees, board games, puzzles, color, draw, READ etc.
Our homeschooled children none of them are woke all had screen restriction. Our homeschooled grandchildren are a mix. Those sympathetic to woke were not screen restricted. 8 children, 25 grandchildren Grandpa Hill of Grandpa Hill's True Stories.
Sharp insight. That idea of homeschoolers scoring nearly as high as more commonly-schooled (I hate calling it "traditionally schooled") children shocked me a bit as an adult former homeschooler. Granted, I had some of those "switched on" parents who largely tried to build a classical curriculum for us, and I'm going back 20 years now; "woke" as we see it today wasn't a driving factor in their decision to become a homeschool family... but we also barely had cell phones, and certainly not smartphones/social media. Keeping kids off SM as much as possible is more and more a no-brainer, regardless of how you go about seeing to their education. I'd still be interested to see more breakdown on the numbers as far as sampling, though; detailing the geographic location (accounting for local curriculum/coursework mandates), urban/rural cultural divide, "canned" versus "self-developed" curricula usage, and of course SM exposure.
The same thought occurred to me. The whole social media phenomenon is doing incredible damage to our young, and the repercussions will impact society for decades. I worry that this won't seriously be addressed until the affected young have reached positions of authority. By then, they will have a real understanding of the harm that was allowed to befall them, and they'll be justifiably upset at their seniors who could have prevented it.
I own my truck(semi) and PC culture has a grave impact in the economy. Because one can see that private institutions due to the intrusion of government in the economy and morality via micromanaging, are doing exactly the same, even if one owns it’s business one is micromanaged until one is completely demoralized, minimized, dehumanized and eventually unmotivated, then despair is inevitable. Don’t people see how decrepit is our infrastructure? Why addiction per capita is way higher in the blue laborer class? Everything affects the economy.
You are so right. Everything affects the economy. So people have to push themselves to participate in public ways much more than they currently do. Otherwise civilization will deteriorate further, and then an enemy will seize the chance to overthrow us altogether.
Eric Kaufmann is a Canadian treasure. I just wished you talked more about his ideas on mass immigration he's one of the most educated people on the cultural shift in the west due to mass immigration. It's like sitting down with Mike Tyson and only talking about his weed company.
Ha! Sometimes it’s not even emotional blackmail it is just how people treat other and they want to justify it. So much corruption in this world. This is super hilarious!! I would definitely not blame people who even use these tactics.
@@isaura-22 So you would attempt to solve corruption in the world by being corrupt yourself?? Smart!!! Its that kind of thinking thats incredibly short sighted and why humans are their own worst enemy! GIGO!
How to deal with handling a character who is manipulative is the strategy that needs teaching, not just recognizing it. Rabbit in the headlights is the sadistic thrill for the uncovered manipulator. Knowing you are being manipulated and becoming powerless or confused in how to navigate it isn’t a flex. Not if the manipulators have strategized well enough to cover any manner of logical escape or reaction.
@@GraceHarwood88 Indeed otherwise what would be the point of being taught how to recognize it in the first place! I figured that part was obvious! Even if 'dealing' with it is just cutting yourself from them and no longer listening to any more of their crap (do people really need to be 'taught' that? The 'important' part is learning how to recognize it in the first place!
@@isaura-22 So you would attempt to solve corruption in the world by being corrupt yourself?? Smart!!! Its that kind of thinking that's incredibly short sighted and why humans are their own worst enemy! GIGO!
I have a child in fourth grade in Vancouver Canada, and I sit as the chair of the parents advisory council in my child’s school. I cringe at the indoctrination I see, but I haven’t known how to begin to address the issue. I’ve been thinking of approaching the school board over this and other issues, such as mowing down our entire school garden, and not allowing any bushes in the garden because kids might get poked by a branch. It all seems rooted in them not wanting to be sued. That’s not what we need to teach our children. Thanks for the dive into this issue. Great episode!
We live in the Tri-Cities in British Columbia and have an 8-year-old and a 10-year-old. The obsession with sex/gender-related curriculum is exhausting and absolutely concerning. Yet, the quality of their math and literacy skills would be abhorrent if I hadn't intervened with additional practice work at home. Why aren't the teachers and school board PROPERLY focused on education and leave social constructs at the door. I've seen two of my children's friends taken out of school to be homeschooled, and it's becoming something I am strongly considering. Let kids be kids, let them get scraped up, play, learn and enjoy youth and self-discovery. Big topics are for more mature minds-leave the kids alone.
In my clinical mental health graduate course I had to sit through a 2 hour lecture on microaggressions, this week and this talk is so refreshing in comparison.
That means it was probably true. Never apologise for the truth. The trouble is these days, people hate the truth so you can get in a lot of trouble. Develop your filter and find the people who are truthful.
@gzoechi great comment. My dad told me that you'll never agree with everyone, and that offense is always taken but rarely given. I.e. it's your responsibility how you feel.
I would love to see Dr. Peterson and others like him to have a debate or something about these exact topics. Going in depth why people act the way they do, only on primetime TV. The general population needs to hear this.
Every since Reality TV came out, I pretty much stopped watching TV. It would be nice if JBP would go mainstream, but I do not believe that will happen. The new mainstream is the Internet. TV is dead. Media outlets are dead. They just don't know it yet.
There's a new channel created by Dr. Phil, which possibly Jordan would be up for engaging with. It's called Phil in the (Blanks). Dr. Phil has the 'common touch', a.k.a. common sense and so much of what Jordan speaks about, his guests speak about, is to do with good ol' common sense handed down to us from thousands of years of evolution.
I studied a bachelor of education, early childhood in the mid 2000s. The course was laced with postmodern critical theory & marxist ideology. Unfortunately my lecturers were what I now understand to be post-structural feminists, the most insufferable of the feminist iterations, IMO. Daring to mention the value of men in EC education in my final assignment got me a page of vitriolic abuse from the lecturer. They taught us to approach all children's literature, especially the classics, with suspicion & hatred for the "white men & homogenous colonial cultures" that created them. I decided to enter a different field after I graduated, I wasn't going to indoctrinate young minds.
Shelby Steele's "White Guilt" is fantastic...I read that while DEI was being stuffed down my throat summer of 2020, being told I should read "white fragility" . Instead I read Steele's book and it really hits the nail on the head of how we got to where we are today. I highly recommend it.
they prolly saw the title and gave their self-righteous seal of approval. Little did they know. It was pretty woke when I graduated in 2015, I can only wonder what it's like nine years later in Canada.
Mine is an ideological purge disguised as virtue. The driving factors are loyalty tests which are tools for ideological purges. Tests such as struggle sessions and cancel culture, demanding flags and pronouns in profiles, political correctness, etc. Virtue signals are really just shows of loyalty to the regime.
My 20 year old dropped out of university. We're glad. He's a musician and got a contract. We are perfectly happy that he is not being brainwashed to hate us. Mind you, I went to Oxford and my husband is brilliant and tri-lingual. Under normal circumstances we would want our son to be educated in a classical sense, but that is not what is now happening.
Not just protection, but social cohesion. The desire for social cohesion is integral to those with high trait agreeableness, which does correlate to women, though it's not 1:1. Arguably, that *is* a protective strategy for vulnerable people, but I don't think it's quite as direct.
I had the opportunity to have visited East Berlin in my late teens right before the eastern block fell. Now I have the privilege of mentoring young people in my office about the experience. I use my words to paint a picture for them of having a picnic next to the Reichstag in a lovely green park. Then slowly they begin to notice the fence by the river, then the police boat. Next the tower, and the guard watching them, rifle in hand. Then to look behind them to notice the wall itself, graffitied and menacing. To look over it into no man’s land. That is what socialism is. Gray, murderous, suffocating. And I am alarmed to see my own family disparaging freedom and capitalism as they sit in air conditioned comfort with their iPad.
I am reminded of a concept called the drama triangle. The Drama Triangle was first described by Stephen Karpman in the 1960s. It is a model of dysfunctional social interactions and illustrates a power game that involves three roles: Victim, Rescuer, and Persecutor, each role represents a common and ineffective response to conflict.
The drama triangle is a terrifically useful way of looking at all sorts of human interactions - especially ones that involve "professional helpers" like social workers. It's important to know that part of the drama comes from people switching from one role to another...for example, a social worker who was a victim of abuse as a child is now a rescuer of abused children and a persecutor of their parents.
I absolutely know that I don't need a doctorate degree in human studies, to capture what I see going on right now. And it floors me. It couldn't be more real than it is. Not enough people are seeing it. And that saddens me. "It" isn't fair, and "it" doesn't care.
Dearest Dr. Peterson, your lecture last night left me with All The Thoughts. I wanted to share with you that I made a connection between Abraham, whose story you were telling last night (and you FORGOT to bang on about the PEELED GRAPES, Dr. Peterson; for SHAME, you can’t tell the story of Abraham without banging on about the peeled grapes), and the story of Ruth, in the book of Ruth, for whom I am named and whose story has been wrapped up in the same bundle of life as my own for many years. I was thinking that Ruth is the female version of Abraham. Her journey mirrored his in a real sense. And then I was thinking about what Jonathan was saying about the white stone, and I’ve loved that passage ever since I can remember. The way the passage about the white stone, wherein a name was written that no man knows saving he who received it, was taught to me, is that the white stone is symbolic of the personal private relationship each of us has with God. I was taught that it was comparable to the tender pet name a husband might have for his wife, a name that encapsulated their entire life together. And then because that passage is from the addresses to the seven churches in the Revelations and not a day goes by I don’t think of those addresses, the solemn warnings and the encouragement for the overcomer, I compared what you were saying about Dostoyevsky and his “cakes and bubbles of bliss” bit with the church at Laodicea, which church boasted that “I am rich, and increased in goods, and have need of nothing; and you don’t know that you are wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked.” And if that doesn’t describe modern Christianity I simply do not know what does. With Ruth Anne’s love
In Germany, there is FINALLY talk of the threat of islamism and that unpopular speech needs protection too. For who hasn't heard: in Germany, an activist holding an event, speaking of the danger of political Islam, was viscously knifed down by an islamist terrorist, who then also stabbed a police officer in the neck and it was caught live on RU-vid. The police officer tragically died. It's kinda like watching a toddler taking its first steps. First, our chancellor made an ambiguous statement about "extremism" just like most news organizations. Then, they started hearing the disgust of the population, as well as the massive wave of islamists celebrating the violence. Then the use of the word "islamic" increased. Then the instances of the primary victim being called far-right went down. Now, we are finally openly talking about the threat of islamism. There is also finally talk of the epidemic of group rapes by exclusively migrant background individuals. Germany's OG feminist, an otherwise obnoxious individual, is publicly calling out the silence of women organizations in light of the new status quo of immigrants raping german girls. The median age of the victims is 14-15 btw. Of course the media, the establishment parties and the politically correct population is up in arms about how we should not let this be utilized by the AFD, the only party who for a decade has been warning from what is happening now. Things will still get a hell of a lot worse before they get better, but some things are starting to gain momentum.
Back in the 1960's and early 1970's, the high school and college teachers I had didn't hesitate to recommend or require books that would be upsetting for many students to read. We students were simply expected to find ways to cope with any emotional reactions we had to what we read. There were no trigger warnings, no exceptions given. You did your reading and came to class prepared to discuss things. We weren't coddled, and I think it was healthier that way. It was also better preparation for coping with whatever tough stuff life handed you, present of future.
8:08 love how you got into the video right away. I don’t like when the intros are way too long. We need to hear information you know and I like how this is more positive we need more so we need a solution. We need solutions to to hear we need hope!!!
My oldest son is nearly 14 . I can say, regarding tribal identity, his friend group is sacred although his grandparents' views also still influences him.
Mr. Peterson, I am in awe of ur steadfastness. I stand with u n for u in life, prayer n the spirit of God 🙏🏾 May ur reward be greater when u meet The Lord. I encourage u to keep going. I appreciate ur fight for wat God created n ordered to be. It's a breath of fresh air. I'm in USA N I AGREE ON ALL IF NOT EVERYTHING I HAVE WATCHED N RESEARCHED on ur debates n interviews that I've watched. N I cry with u. N pray with n for u to God Almighty who is n was n is to come!ALL THESE IGNORANT PEOPLE WHO ARE HYPNOTIZED BY THE WORLDS WICKED WAYS is of delusion n blindness ,INSTEAD OF WAT GOD ORDERED FOR A HUMAN, NATURAL, ORDER OF LIFE. Because without order there's nothing but destruction of mind, heart, body, soul n spirit. MAY GOD HELP US. THANK U SIR N I CALL U MY BROTHER IN CHRIST. MAY HE KEEP U STRONG. IN JESUS CHRIST NAME. AMEN
If focusing at correcting "wokism" in Canada. I think we need to start with removing the postmodernist undertones in the Canadian constitution act (charter of rights and freedoms). I would motion to remove multiculturalism and replace it with multiethnism or multiethnic. The idea that every culture or value system under the sun can function effectively within the same borders completely defeats the concept of a country. Anything Pierre Trudeau brought to fruition planted the seed for what we are experiencing with his son today.
@@johncairns4791 they would no longer get preferential treatment based on cultural preservation. They would just be another accepted ethnicity. It's time for people to pay their own way.
Dr. Peterson, I am extremely grateful that you conduct these interviews. As a female who graduated high school in 2004 in the US, I am not at all surprised to hear that there was a large shift to the left in that demographic. Despite the fact that I attended a relatively conservative school in a near city farming community, I can personally recall emotion based teaching in elementary school and indoctrination under the guise of learning argumentative presentation skills in the 7th grade. This was primarily caused by the resources that we were steered towards that were allegedly neutral, but were not neutral in reality. I worked in public school finance for two different school districts over the last six years. Schools in my state are partly funded based upon the number of students in attendance and the socio-economic status of those students. The district I worked for that had the larger percentage of low income students received a great deal more funding from federal sources, and I believe consequently, contained more woke adjacent ideology and emotion based decision making in its elementary classes. From this standpoint I wonder if changing the system to allow the money for educating a child to follow that child, whether it be to a charter school, private school or homeschool, would help to force our public education system to compete. In that way the school would be financially incentivised to compete for the trust of the parents and for quality educational offerings. What are your thoughts on this? I have also noticed that the political correctness and nice before logical idealogical foundation for woke dogma is extremely pervasive and difficult to root out once established. As such, our teachers, most of whom no doubt want to be a helpful to our youth, through their required teacher certification are often seemingly unaware of the effect their educational indoctrination has had on their base level thinking and they them pass it on unaware of what that type of thinking is making way for. Lastly, I have to wonder if the shock of going from rainbows and butterflies thinking to the harsh reality of the world and its history is not, in part, responsible for the rebelliousness we see in our young people as they transition into higher education. I wonder what that transition looked like before all fairytales had happy endings. Do you know if there is any research in this area out there?
I homeschooled. I am a certified teacher in Texas and Tennessee. I got fed up with public schools by the time my children started school. Oldest child rejected Protestantism for Catholicism. Second child embraced woke-ism. Third child, a boy, stayed conservative. The biggest influence to me is the phone has become an unwelcome guest in our homes And, there are so many mentally-ill adults who look like the wonderful witch living in the candy house. Those adults are poised ready to lure and then capture someone else’s child, especially when they are teenagers. I’m hoping to write a book about my journey of losing my daughters to disguised mentally-ill women.
Misplaced maternal instinct!! Yes!! Thank you !!! I have been trying to my finger on this, as an explanation for the rise of wokeism for many years now. Great discussion. Mr Perteson, this chap seemed to extend you intellectually in a way that I have not seen for a while. If woman’s emotions are turned in by a dominant ideology, of course it’s STULL within, or from (?) their misplaced familiial biological structure.
Neither Jordan nor Eric seemed to fully get it: the divide is not between young women and older women; it is between unmarried women and married women. Jordan got close when he talked about the out of control, misplaced compassion displayed by younger women who are childless when they shouldn’t be. Really worth reflecting on.
We need to get away from hating people and focus on hating ideas. This automatically creates a dialogue where a discussion can be had which is the missing piece in my opinion.
On August 29, 2014, after having suffered race based vitriolic hate and an attack on my son that almost killed him, I WAS SENT HOME FOR RACISM...I was the only white person in my department and one of less that 10 white people at the place of employment.
Yes! Displaced maternal instinct! I became an elementary school teacher to appease my maternal instinct. I even joined Big Brothers-Big Sisters with one of my students. DNA is a fierce biological agent.
I'm proud to say, as a 65-year-old woman, and a Progressive, I never bought into Black Lives Matters, not for a moment. And that was going against a very big tide.
if you tell that to your ilk, they may call you a fascist. frankly if you're anti-BLM, then you're a conservative. BLM is a major part of what makes a modern liberal, not according to me, but to liberals. You aren't a progressive anymore if you don't support BLM. I hate to break it to ya, but you're a conservative!
I feel so grateful for Peterson. I can feel his sense of duty to express his cultivated diamond like opinion with us. I sense his constant exhaustion and feel immensely grateful to hear his words. Happy Father’s Day Peterson
I have to say... wait don't... nah I have to! As a British person the horror that is Russel Brand is not a victim of cancel culture! In fact he is an escape!
This is an intelligent conversation between two very solid thinkers. However, what are the potential solutions to fix what has been broken in our world due to the mass indoctrination. What we need is a list of solutions and a call to the people to start a process of moving in different direction before it's TOO late for us all.
My conclusion also: More than 10 years ago I was chatting after church with my former pastor. I told him the same thing: all these childless young women, lefty-types, found their driving influence, their impulse, for radical policies in the fact of their not ever having had children of their own. They were made for motherhood, which they soundly abjured, became frustrated, and unwittingly adopted behaviors which to some extent satisfied their natural instincts to nurture, guide, and teach. Motherhood gone away. Am pleased to learn I was not far off the mark. Ages ago, when I was in junior and senior high school, we girls had to take some "domestic classes." I took sewing and cooking (both of which I love doing today). When I watch the show "Super Nanny," I often think how helpful it could be for secondary schools to offer "parenting" classes. Is it my imagination or was the reason given for not offering such classes was that doing so would prompt/incite promiscuity? But later, when sex ed became nearly mandatory, there was no such consideration -- it was full-steam ahead. I'm not writing a pamphlet so I'll leave it at that.
The trouble with aiming for a "centrist" position is that it is a position that is fixed to nothing. It sits at the most chaotic point of tension between two ideologically opposed systems of worldview. The argument of "human flourishing" doesn't work because for one, the 80s/90s were essentially a splash mountain snapshot of a society in transition; in order to replicate something like it, while also introducing some sense of permanent stability, you would have to build it out of fundamentally different systems. The ultimate problem with unified diversity is that everyone agrees on pragmatic grounds with their fingers crossed behind their backs. If you are pro-abortion and I am anti-abortion and deep down, we both believe that the best thing for society is to see those beliefs realized, then we can work together on a hundred different things without an arbiter but the second one of us gets an opportunity to gain the upper hand we have an internal, moral obligation to become opponents. If you ask a Muslim and a Christian and a Secularist what "human flourishing" looks like, you are going to get three, very different versions of utopia.
So glad I have watched this and bookmarked it to return to again one day when I want to pull all of this discussion by different people focused on different areas into a grand synthesis - that's the dream. Everything about the interview was perfect. In 1.5 hours, one has a great 'laying out' of the ideas and the take on issues. Kaufman is doing great work. He has far to go in terms of reaching the public and this show will help him to achieve that reach.
An excellent discussion, Dr Peterson's interviews on Monday and Thursday nights never disappoint. The left wing domination of education and educational policy has been so damaging and will be very hard to dismantle, having initiated in the 1960s. However it is great to hear about the progress being made in Florida. The LGBTQ ideology needs to kept out of schools, in the UK trans activists are still being allowed into primary schools to confuse and indoctrinate the children. The UK civil service isn't really neutral I'm afraid, it is definitely politicised to the left. Thanks to Dr Peterson and Eric Kaufmann. Much appreciated. 👍👍👍❤
Yep, this didn't happen overnight. This is the latest stage, in the US, at least, of the development of ideas introduced in the1880s/90s by American academics returning from study in Europe, especially Germany. These are the Statist ideas that we call progressivism. They have been advancing at various rates ever since. And in the 60s, from the academy, they began to spread to and take over other areas of the culture-news media, entertainment media, public education.
I agree! I taught art in public high school from 1997 to 2019. Because of the creative nature of my subject and also the preconceived notions of the school’s administration, I frequently had high numbers of non-conformist and marginalized students, many of whom would have identified as victims in some form. I was very authentic with them. They all knew I was a conservative Christian (I advised the school’s Bible club). I listened to them compassionately, didn’t judge them, answered their questions honestly, and did not compromise or hide my values. Young people want to know and be known, and they are open and curious about what makes people tick. They can tell when they’re being patronized or proselytized, and they resent it. But they are looking for caring and authentic adults to emulate. If you can be that person, you can make a difference.
@Pete-id1vu Feels like a victim need for power like he predicted. The Spiritual element can be cultivation of actual goodness via a Love/Bhakti Yoga, maybe get a pet to practice Unconditional Love. The actual type b people Ive encountered are malevolent by nature being so shame based. I feel more for the people being abused and believe it is them who get complex trauma, whereas its possible a bona fide cluster b type, which is a much rarer animal than narcissistic style, could be a separation trauma in the first 3 years. Love and respect.
@Pete-id1vu the "coping mechanism to shield from rejection" is the the desire for power and control. how else could one shield? same thing. I understand what you are saying which is why I pointed out the more topical complex trauma where the personality disorders appear to be symptoms, and the original separation trauma, where the personality disorders seem to be less treatable because the authentic self capability never really formed. I think people are over diagnosed with actual personality disorders, when they have less malevolent twinges. I have compassion for everyone, and it doesn't matter why one is abusive to others, whether they are a victim or not, it is their responsibility to fix their behaviors, or that could be easily considered 'evil", as they actively hurt others and are aware of it. Kindly.
@Pete-id1vu I understand. And am interested in developing deeper understandings. This is a culture war though, and he is specifically engaging the toxic feminine consuming our system that sees diagnosis as a medal, or handicap to hide behind in need of accommodation, or on the flip side, the lack of understanding of just how pathological and destructive to healthy human relationships the presence of a true cluster b is. Its a language and vibe he is embodying to meet his intention of the topic of his talk. I believe more in Gurus than clinical, yet Gurus and Shamans are run out of town by clinicians. the clinicians are developing valuable language, yet paradoxically, its also the clinicians who actually lack compassion at the end of the day, because their language is what sterilizes, objectifies, and de Spiritualizes, hence ultimately de humanizes, preferring standardized practices and over medication.
Please, can someone interview Tom Woods and the homeschooling , Ron Paul curriculum. I’m in the camp of destroying the entire public education system. Imagine, a system created by the union(government) that’s supposed to protect our rights to move freely and take personal risk to pursue our development, has created the Teachers Unions. For me that’s an oxymoron, a union to protect employees from the union who is “protecting” us…. I don’t see any system more optimal for humans to be educated(how to think) than Montessori and Socratic method, and to persevere that curiosity until death.
(47:09) What self-esteem actually is In fact, what you mean is: Self-Esteem = Extraversion - Neuroticism; if you have a high level of extraversion and a low level of neuroticism, then you have a high self-esteem. It can be seen as another word for emotional stability + assertiveness.
The “something has happened to women” is that we’ve had dysfunctional parents ie fathers, which haven’t given us the space to safely develop emotionally. That’s why these “compassionate” women are propagating this culture war.
I never understood you position on these topics before,and the uproar surrounding your views. But now I do and understand why there’s an uproar and your position. What you propose requires the truth,including that all land is stolen land,leading to the question: what do we do now. The world is on the state it is because information is rationed and hand picked for certain ends,the whole truth is not that end. The institution you butt heads with have a political end. Education,in its form,ignores other topics not as oversight but by design. It is meant to produce the very results we see. And you want to challenge those centuries old institutions.
Paradoxically, most of us older people were 'fortunate' enough to have real struggles and hardship in our lives. And so we didn't turn into insufferable victims. As labour strengthens the body, trails strengthen the mind.
There is no solution. There is only accelerationism. This must fully play out in order for everyone to comprehend how nefarious and destructive it is. Too many have no idea how bad it is, and how bad it can be, so there is nothing for it but to for them to experience it first hand. Solipsism is a helluva drug.
Jordan, would you be interested in getting Nigel Farage on your show? Such a massive fan of you and him. Would be like two of my personal heroes having a talk! 😁 I think that would be the best evening dinner guest line up ... Nigel, yourself and Tammy! It would be awesome.
@@DesertStateInEU I know! It was great to see! Farage has been made an MP so really looking forward to seeing him in the commons giving a real opposition. What will be amazing is when Trump is made president and Farage gets invited to the white house! It will really upset the establishment! 🏴🤝🇺🇲
All makes sense.....Bill Maher has often asked "what's going on with young women?" I h a ve often asked the same. This discussion clarifies a lot for me.
Jordan needs to talk to Yale psychologist Paul Bloom. His book Against Empathy: a case for rational compassion, is what they're talking about in the beginning
There is nothing wrong(edited sorry missed this one) with Empathy or Compassion, unfortunately, they can be exploited. I have seen it in my own personal life.
