Wonder Woman 1984 Backlash - Steve Trevor, Patty Jenkins

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Wonder Woman 1984 today! Beyond The Trailer's breakdown of fans' problems with the film. Steve Trevor's body, Patty Jenkins, Wonder Woman 3
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Wonder Woman 1984 today! Beyond The Trailer host Grace Randolph's reaction & breakdown to the backlash and the hate for the Wonder Woman sequel from Patty Jenkins! What are the legit problems and criticism? Like Steve Trevor's body and Handsome Man, the lack of action, and cartoonish tone? And what can the DCEU and Patty Jenkins learn from Star Wars and Rian Johnson? Share your own reaction to the Wonder Woman 1984 backlash now that you've seen the full movie! And be sure to make Beyond The Trailer your first stop for movie and entertainment news here on RU-vid today!
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@mpa23 3 года назад

After watching Wonder Woman 1984 I almost walked out from my house

@tmjw69 3 года назад

🤣🤣🤣🤣 oh man I Cracking up at that comment.

@arwenelijah 3 года назад

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 🤣🤣🤣

@ratatataraxia 3 года назад

Lmao that’s funny

@chetlyp 3 года назад

I just pee'd a little bit

@JonathanPerez-ke6lq 3 года назад

Use your brain I already read this comment from another person on Twitter

@EvanSol919 3 года назад

The thing about "subverting expectations" is that it only works if the subversion is BETTER than the expectations.

@heyokaikaggen6288 2 года назад

They may have got subverting and surpassing slightly confused. I'm hoping Grammarly might help...

@wishfulthinkin3478 2 года назад

"i like twists that make the story less interesting" - no-one

@markwilson6232 2 года назад

Funny

@eranceMclarke 3 года назад

The movie needs an After Credits scene where Random Handsome Man gets fired from his job due to going AWOL, gets dumped by his lover because he stopped being in contact and was seen galavanting with a beautiful woman, gets on the wanted list because he got caught in CCTV stealing a plane, and, finally, goes bankrupt after he uses all his savings trying to find out why he can't remember what happened in the past few weeks and why his life is suddenly in ruins.

@justjules15 3 года назад

If Patty is reluctant to add action scenes to a movie about a highly skilled mythical warrior, then WB needs a new director because she clearly doesn’t get the character and the fandom either.

@mayadebij016 3 года назад

Patty is so bad lmao. I hope she gets replaced by another woman.

@riopeynado3959 3 года назад

Wonder Woman isn’t always the badass tho. I don’t think you get the character and the divide that DC has between the two types of Wonder Woman. The first version of Wonder Woman is the peace keeper and messenger as patty depicted here. So she understands the character. Then later down the comic book line she becomes the warrior character and she also depicts the version. What’s the issue? Don’t hate the director because you personally don’t like what they did. Just give them feedback then move on rather that badmouthing them on a RU-vid comment section.

@riopeynado3959 3 года назад

@7.5 Inches but Wonder Woman isn’t always about the fight that’s not her character.

@Introvertsan 3 года назад

Basically

@riopeynado3959 3 года назад

@7.5 Inches she is

@hughmcmahon4925 3 года назад

I think Allan Heinberg was the heart of the first movie. Without him, WW84 was fatally incoherent and there was no real emotional through-line.

@lego4virgo 3 года назад

Zach Snyder worked on the script with him.

@PTFPhoto 3 года назад

@@tomcruisenukedmyaccount5388 Ultra-liberal people like good movies too. No one likes crap movies.

@Tike22 3 года назад

@@tomcruisenukedmyaccount5388 The highest demographic for the 1st WW was the female audiences so your point is already invalid

@CK_Godoth 3 года назад

Yesss getting him out of the 2nd movie is *THE* mistake they made.

@adamoxen 3 года назад

@@Tike22 you're talking domestically not worldwide. If that movie appealed to mostly women globally, then it wouldn't have had the gross that it did

@daniellittle6699 3 года назад

I don’t think it’s subverting expectations as much as it’s just it being a poorly made movie. I’ve watched and read many reviews and the general consensus is that the script is poor, the pacing is off, lack of action, too long, continuity errors, and poor cgi is what brought down the movie for a lot of people. I wanted to love this movie the trailers got me excited but all the best scenes are in the trailer and what we got was a shell of the first movie.

@fallenwing25 3 года назад

So agree

@mahleqqaanees5488 3 года назад

YES EXACTLY. PEOPLE ARE FINE WITH LESS ACTION IF THE PLOT IS BETTER

@TieGuy242 3 года назад

I agree. I didn't mind the first movie but I was super hyped for the new setting and time period. The marketing and trailers had me super excited. The tone was exactly as I expected, and one of my favorite parts of the movie. What sucked was the writing. Things were over-complicated and under explained. There was so much that served no purpose. To me it was empty, emotional moments with no intellectual depth to actually get me invested or have any real meaning.

@Bayuuk 3 года назад

Yeah, for me I dont think Jenkins was tryna subvert expectations, it was just the whole film was weak. Lots of errors that made no sense, bloated run time, and it was just bland

@ajb1tic1tac 3 года назад

I hate the phrase subverting expectation. It means nothing and basically means the audience didn't like the film. You never hear the phase subverting expectation when the audience loved the movie.

@MrOmnisun 3 года назад

While watching it last night I couldn’t get over how the stunts, action and special effects looked so different from the first film. It’s felt almost like the DC tv shows.

@arvadbarakat9202 3 года назад

I couldn’t agree more

@AnandKu44 3 года назад

Absolutely and everything is just bright, bright and bright. And what the hell with 1984. It could have been set up in any year and nobody would have given a damn.

@Addcilantro 3 года назад

@@AnandKu44 same watched it last night and was super hyped that the year/style of the era would be more prevalent...twas not

@johnaart 3 года назад

Now it makes sense to hear she got rid of the stunt and vfx team... The action was weak, Its like i was watching them practicing for the movie

@RedCaio 3 года назад

I liked the movie but I did think once or twice that the running and jumping and lasso stuff seemed just a tad wonky sometimes.

@peterlomax7143 3 года назад

Having two villain's in one movie with different objectives and paths can dilute the impact of the overall story. Patty Jenkins should of picked one and amplified it.

@maxpawa9282 3 года назад

Same for Aquaman! Keep black manta for the second movie.

@darkhumour741 3 года назад

But with Cheetah you have a situation where for *most of the film* she's NOT a certified villain, rather simply going down that path Think of it like what they were ab!e to pull off with Joker and Two-Face in The Dark Knight. Both of them were integral to the plot and managed to avoid diluting each other Barbara's downward spiral into Cheetah should have been what the "villain half" of this movie was building towards, with Max as the driving source of conflict in the background

@jlhabitan50 3 года назад

@@maxpawa9282 Black Manta was treated as comic relief in the film IMO.

@maxpawa9282 3 года назад

@@jlhabitan50 Ah okay this is why it sucks!

@headshot9 3 года назад

The issue is when directors/writers think that a film is popular because people like them and not because people like the source material. WW84 is a movie about Patty Jenkins more than it is about WonderWoman, she translated people's love to the original as people loving her and want to see more of her.

@blessingomenazu1038 3 года назад

Such a great comment

@klouddsurferful 3 года назад

But, we did love her and wanted to see more of her, we just didn't want her to change too much of the formula.

@somadinaokwara1984 3 года назад

Most underrated comment in this Thread

@raymonreiz 3 года назад

Sound like another Kathleen Kennedy hahaha

@letopizdetz 3 года назад

I'm starting to suspect WW84 is the real Patty Jenkins movie with all the Harry Potter vibes and Hallmark moments, complete disregard for any kind of continuity or the audience in general, whereas in the first movie other people on set pulled and she just got to take the credit for it. Things like this happened in Hollywood for decades, but usually the person getting the credit threw some nepotism shoe-in was smart enough to let the people with real experience do the work. After Barbara's prop papers and briefcase magically transformed for the 5th time in a row i had to take a long break before i could watch the rest of the movie.

@lizc6645 3 года назад

I thought it was an ok movie. My husband actually said " they made us wait 2 years and THIS is what we got" 😖

@LeonardoMenezes03 3 года назад

New Mutants, Wonder Woman, will Black Widow be next?

@Tike22 3 года назад

@@LeonardoMenezes03 kinda impossible for Black Widow. They have a template to place on the movie like other marvel movies. You can already tell its another relatively lighthearted action-comedy. I would be amazed it failed.

@jfo7937 3 года назад

Movie was craps even my son fell asleep.

@kirbymarchbarcena 3 года назад

I can list over 50 problems of this movie. The worse was that my kids never enjoyed this, they were playing CoD midway the movie.

@O1OO1O1 3 года назад

That they play CoD doesn't say much for their taste. ;)

@jaimeduncan6167 3 года назад

Ok, so you are better than JZ

@henniedebeer4204 3 года назад

As a man who's been sexually assaulted, I hope this conversation doesn't die and gets brought up a lot. Can't believe Gal wouldn't do the Flash/boobs thing in JL but was okay with f*cking an unconscious dude.

@boboboy8189 3 года назад

Feminist, where only women can do whatever they want

@Lo-yx7sm 3 года назад

🤣🤣

@caiolucas8257 3 года назад

Yep big double standard.

@bilalliaqat7543 3 года назад

😂😂😂

@imphoenixfire 3 года назад

Nobody cares if a man is a victim of any type of violence whatsoever. I really do hope people rally around this, so there it can be some sort of conversation at least.

@apjoeapjoe 3 года назад

“Don’t trash Luke Skywalker!” You said it Grace! I still can’t wrap my mind around the fact that someone thought crapping all over the childhood hero of your core fan base would be a good idea 🙄

@obredaanps3 3 года назад

That's how many Superman fans felt after watching MoS and BvS and they've been belittled by Snyder fans for demanding more from our childhood hero.

@themadafaka6839 3 года назад

But NOBODY TRASHED Luke...!!! 🤦‍♂️ TLJ actually made him cooler AND more interesting than he ever was. It gave him dimensions and a human. Plus...FYI, it was LUCAS himself who had the idea of turning Luke that way. Rian was just going along that concept which he agreed with. Man...if u just want shit to stay the way it was DECADES AGO...just go back and rewatch that originally trilogy over and over and over..and over again..til maybe U would go, man.. let's try something NEW..and interesting.

@DirigoDuke 3 года назад

Patty Jenkins is a lot like George Lucas - she's at her best when her power is not absolute.

@Delboy0 3 года назад

My new excuse to my boss when I do a bad job. 'I'm not doing a bad job, I'm subverting your expectations' lol

@CCCCC40 3 года назад

Agree

@gamerelliot6624 3 года назад

I agree

@TheJim42069 3 года назад

She needs a Feige type person overlooking her maybe Geoff Johns.

@maurreese 3 года назад

You might be right out at the very least they need someone to keep them on track.

@karrotyy 3 года назад

Zack Snyder did more than just casting for the first Wonder Woman and Aquaman movies. He and his team led the two movies through development, and he put in a lot of work to make them even happen in the first place, including attaching the directors. If the first Wonder Woman movie and Aquaman did well, that's because they're part of the Snyder verse vision and benefited from his direction. Even the color palette is very Snyder in those movies. We see how Patti handled a beloved superhero without Snyder grounding her in the storyline. It's not enough to be a good director, you have to be a DC fan that understands the characters you're bringing to life.

@TheBenJiles 3 года назад

But didn't Grace say in her review that the movie was comics accurate and gave it a glowing review? But now she says it's not comics accurate once the bad reviews from fans come out? I'm confused.

@alienscumbagable 3 года назад

Not sure about this but I think this was her gathering up and saying the criticism that other people had said on the internet/social media about the film, but minus the toxic and troll aura around said criticism

@mrrodgers1099 3 года назад

She did the same with TLJ. She's just a con

@VALUST17 3 года назад

With a comic that has been being published continuously for 80 years, anything could be both true to some of the source material and not true to some of the source material.

@adekakwandi2741 3 года назад

So you figured out she just goes with the crowd huh?

@ThanatoselNyx 3 года назад

Timestamps for both assertions please? Thanks 🙂

@BobbyShyne 3 года назад

As a huge Star Wars fan I just have to say, it’s not that we don’t want to be suprised. I love suprises, but getting coal for christmas is never fun.

@michaelthomas4693 3 года назад

There is a difference between being surprised and having someone spit in your face. The latter is surprising, but not in a good way.

@NoahC1718 3 года назад

It’s like “surprise! Here’s some shit in a box for Christmas! Enjoy!”

@MackieMess3r 3 года назад

Be prepared to have less action and expect a lifetime/hallmark story in space.

@reynaldomezapuerto47 3 года назад

I thought Last Jedi was great, it was risky so it's not a surprise it was so controversial.

@fattony3736 3 года назад

TLJ is great, but I hate TROS so I know how its like to be disappointed in a star wars film.

@samkaranja5709 3 года назад

This is not about subverting expectations, this is about a movie who's story and some of the character motivations just doesn't make sense.

@greygorygaming 3 года назад

So yeah...she Rian Johnsoned it😂😂

@sebrussell 3 года назад

It's funny how Rian Johnson is an example of both sides to this. In Last Jedi, he was too entrenched in subverting expectations and so it came out bad; meanwhile in Knives Out, everything from the twists to the dialogue to the characterisation was perfect. Overall, I think his issue is that he can't write other people's characters. I so wish that he'd never done Last Jedi and instead was given a Star Wars Story film with completely original characters, because I would love to see that movie (that now won't ever happen).

@concernedearthling3353 3 года назад

No one wanted to see a silly rom com with lame plot holes. She needs to have someone else write the script.

@leronnelson381 3 года назад

No rewind moments at all

@JaimeRamirez-gi9pv 3 года назад

@Trevor Rogert I mean its everyone's opinion but most would say Knives Out was a cinematic masterpiece compared to The Last Jedi

@stevejohnson6248 3 года назад

I can't wait for Jenkins's Rogue Squadron where the movie starts with a decent space battle and the rest of the film the pilots run around without their ships. The finale is a firm negotiation with the Empire. Should be riveting.

@O1OO1O1 3 года назад

It is. Watch Star Trek.

@mkonzingoma2042 3 года назад

i think grace is making up for her review of this movie with this video

@daddythatstech4239 3 года назад

She actually loved this Wonder Woman now she is worm that turned

@luisricardo13 3 года назад

It really annoys me she seems to change her opinion depending on the reaction of the fans. I actually really liked the movie. I don’t care if other people enjoyed it or not.

@zaneomega2 3 года назад

@@luisricardo13 She said multiple times that she still enjoyed the movie but feels that the criticism is warranted. She even said this in her review. She said the same about TLJ, she likes the movies but understands why other people don't.

@richardmoreno5365 3 года назад

"Subverting expectations" is starting to sound like "I wanted to make it my film so if you think its a bad movie that's only your opinion and my ego can never let me make a bad film."

@MartinRiggs1820 3 года назад

Patty's a hack.

@wrestlinganime4life288 3 года назад

Sounds like Snyder and Bvs.. But hey that movie is ComIc BoOk AccUrAte

@thec00lru23 3 года назад

Who's film is she supposed to make? She's literally the one making the film. Smh

@richardmoreno5365 3 года назад

@@thec00lru23 For the viewers??? Wonder Woman fans? Not make a film only she would want to watch...because who else pays for the ticket sales and streaming subscriptions? Feel free to make a film in your style or story you wanna tell. Just make sure it's also one people want to see. This is a business

@snuffles504 3 года назад

@@thec00lru23 Sure, she's the one making the film, but this film is part of a beloved franchise with history and dedicated fans. If a director wants to make a film over which they have full creative control with no regard for anyone else's input, they should do that elsewhere.

@TheRealCSD6 3 года назад

People like twists and turns in a movie as long as they're good. People dont like the surprise being that you undo what was good about the first movie or just making a poor story 🤷‍♂️

@inevitableveganfuture3915 3 года назад

Yeah I really disagree with Grace here, Thor Ragnarok was surprisingly different to earlier Thor appearances and yet it is beloved and recognised as one of the best Marvel movies. WW1984 was just bad, that was the only surprising thing about it.

@tatum635 3 года назад

Not to mention There was hardly any action in a wonder woman movie!!! She’s a whole brawler and there’s like 1 half fight.

@nocturnalbat6736 3 года назад

I agree.

@danz1182 3 года назад

Thor Ragnarok was the opposite of this situation though. They took the aspects of the first 2 films people enjoyed the most which was basically leveraging the comedic talents of the two leads and made that the whole movie. This movie carved out the aspects of the character with mass appeal. Thor 3 also added things that complimented what worked. Valkyrie was just brilliant across the board and Hela was a delight. Twists and turns are fine, but you cannot make the "surprise" that the character is not at all what you thought they were, not in a blockbuster that costs $150 million or more.

@TarekAliFazle 3 года назад

It's interesting that subvert expectations Johnson has been immortalized as an example of ignoring the fans at your own peril.

@Jacob-th4tu 3 года назад

Grace, the best part of the movie was the movie posters LOL. Everything else ...train wreck. Also, I think this is your best breakdown of a movie. Could not agree more with you

@JCAH1 3 года назад

Grace's "subverting expectations" schtick was baloney. Grace was just covering for Patty Jenkins, who wrote a crappy film. Grace and Patty are both devoted feminists. Like nearly all of the Rotten Tomato film critics, Grace's judgement is completely overwhelmed by her feminist ideology. It matters more to her than anything else

@robertbench5187 3 года назад

Lol you clearly see the movie with a mindset to hate it. Cause the movie is great and it has a lot of best parts.

@Trevleo1 3 года назад

@Mike Sharpe Performances were praised

@Trevleo1 3 года назад

@@JCAH1 Oh stop.& Patty is a very nice person plus good as well & she has Wonder Woman 3 & Cleopatra

@mackertim 3 года назад

This must've been the easiest movie the editor has ever worked on. Patty Jenkins: Ah, just leave it all in.

@artboymoy 3 года назад

Seriously should have been under 2 hours.

@budgiecat9039 3 года назад

@@artboymoy Even if it was edited down it still wouldnt have made sense. The script is just bad

@riopeynado3959 3 года назад

@@budgiecat9039 it wasn’t bad?

@raf686 3 года назад

@@riopeynado3959 how this imo it was bad

@petervanna6602 3 года назад

Well said

@kr0nz 3 года назад

There really wasn't any repercussion for the "bad guy" in this film. I mean, the guy renounced all the wishes, found his son randomly and everyone lived happily ever after. like wtf..?

@littlebigmarc 3 года назад

Right. No consequences. Plot holes after plot holes I was like how in the world she thought this was an amazing movie and made her cry?lol what. There's a a random guy who definitely got raped because wonder woman is just want her man back

@THSBIAJKK 3 года назад

I was fine with that. The world was saved, Max was now powerless. It's not a morality play. The bad guy gets away at the end of a lot of comic books.

@coreygreene174 3 года назад

@@THSBIAJKK yeah but Diana just let him go he almost caused nuclear war without any hesitation and you let him go and let’s say he somehow got away at the end of the movie it shows a time skip why not look for this manic

@themadafaka6839 3 года назад

Exactly.

@TheEnigmaticBM39 3 года назад

@@littlebigmarc sounds like a mcu film 🤔

@athiambonyabundi 3 года назад

So it wasn't just me who had issues with the fact that she slept with someone literally being possessed xD

@Manawatu_Al2844 3 года назад

Imagine the outrage if a guy did the same thing with a woman, but in a completely different film?

@heinzerbrew 3 года назад

And she didn't feel bad about... There wasn't any moral dilemma about what she did.

@RG-Zeldaplayer 3 года назад

@@Manawatu_Al2844 The major irony is that this has been explored in TV - Dollhouse - by Joss Whedon. And his heroic characters called it out for what it was - rape.

@Manawatu_Al2844 3 года назад

@@RG-Zeldaplayer I do miss Joss Whedons stuff. Firefly was a favourite TV series of mine.

@mechasentai 3 года назад

Patty Jenkins is following in the footsteps of M. Knight Shyamalan. He did some excellent work early on. Then the studios gave him more autonomy and trust and everything just went downhill fast. The name quicky gathered a reputation and became boxoffice poison. Right now the name Patty Jenkins is becoming a household name but for all the worst reasons.

@kronosleblu888 3 года назад

So this movie really cost 200million??? The wire work and special effects were almost shark boy and lava girl levels.

@slopez5495 3 года назад

200 million! Did not see any of that on screen!

@thepickicool97 3 года назад

😂😂😂😂

@chronoshin8597 3 года назад

Is over inflated number for "creative accounting". Common practice in businesses.

@juniorspap 3 года назад

I didn’t see $50million let alone $200

@neutralman9124 3 года назад

At least Shark Boy and Lava Girl was intentional

@lucasiglesias1894 3 года назад

If she's humble enough to acknowledge her mistakes and learn from them, as any person should be at their job, she should totally continue with the character. I'm worried that she won't though, I've seen her react to comments and it's not looking good.

@TheSup3rboi 3 года назад

What is she saying

@lucasiglesias1894 3 года назад

@@TheSup3rboi quite defensive, not open to criticism

@antons5302 3 года назад

@@lucasiglesias1894 Hopefully, it's just an initial reaction and she needs a bit of time. Otherwise, she'd be digging her own grave

@howardp.lovecraft4499 3 года назад

I think that WW 1984 in itself is a testament to how much the success of the first movie affected her. It was painfully self-indulgent.

@lucasiglesias1894 3 года назад

@Daredevil Lebron that doesn't mean it's not valid criticism, everything Grace brought up is valid criticism

@hugheffo 3 года назад

Patty really should have watched “Cats”, before making WW84. Was waiting on Kristen to do a dance number at one point !

@ahk7137 3 года назад

There's a difference between "dark and angry" and GROUNDED.

@jayfrancelf 3 года назад

Exactly. The first WW was grounded in historic events and the tone reflected that. This movie is cartoonish, fantastical, and often nonsensical. It doesnt even have anything to do with 1984 specifically.

@buka.a 3 года назад

@@jayfrancelf exactly... Could have made this movie set in 2018 or something. There was absolutely no callback to 1984 time period, except it's cheesiness

@jayfrancelf 3 года назад

@@buka.a and the crazy thing is...Im not entirely sure that ALL of that cheese was intentional. I think the mall scene is def intentionally cheesy...although im not sure to THAT degree...but some of the other stuff....im not sure about

@richcapo 3 года назад

Wonder Woman’s comics are often “dark and angry,” though. They’re never lighthearted and humorous - they’re never like Jenkins’ movies in other words. Not even during the early post-Crisis years, which weren’t too grim, were her comics like those films.

@jynxce 3 года назад

@@richcapo Patty has the ability to bring out the heart in characters, but with both her and Johns on a mission to Donner-fy everything, it's all just a waste of cheesy moment after cheesy moment. At least Zach's influence actually grounded the movie and added proper flow to the action scenes. Most of the physics on display in this movie were just off. I wonder if they're still screaming to let her do a Superman movie considering her low priority for action in her movies?

@ABlom-cg5zq 3 года назад

I think Grace hit the nail on the head with this one. I felt like she answered all of my questions I had with the strange script choices. Honestly everything I thought sucked was addressed in this video. I wanted to like WW84 but hell was it rough. Geoff Johns has no business being part of the movie side of DC and it looks like Patty broke off from the winning formula from the first WW film.

@johna2066 3 года назад

I don’t need a dark WW movie but I do not want a super cheesy WW movie.

@sledge2244 3 года назад

Totally agree! Dark is not the way.

@cupcakes6919 3 года назад

Not dark but serious tone

@None38389 3 года назад

I would prefer it to be dark since I personally just enjoy movies with darker tones more, but I don't think the "tone" is what make or break the movie. WW 1984 just isn't that well written in general.

@artboymoy 3 года назад

I don't think WW84 was too dark or too silly. It was just not done well in terms of the writing and editing, IMO.

@akhmadakhtar9669 3 года назад

Must dark but don't over too dark

@heyokaikaggen6288 2 года назад

I was asked for a film recommendation for someone who needed cheering up, they said that they wanted something 'completely and utterly stupid.' I thought to myself, 'Finally, a good use for Wonder Woman 1984.'

@GoGoTwice 3 года назад

They need to stop taking the names of characters and changing their background, personality and plots from the comics - have the guts to create new characters!

@dumpygoodness4086 3 года назад

exactly. I LOVE diversity and all races, but MAKE NEW, compelling characters, ya lazy crooks! I don't want to see a FEMALE James Bond. Defeats the entire premise! %$#@!!!! The people who rule our world are idiots.

@maxpawa9282 3 года назад

@@dumpygoodness4086 Change is needed to shake up things a little bit! otherwise it will be the same thing over and over!!

@brownrecluse9261 3 года назад

@@dumpygoodness4086 No one is making a female James Bond. James Bond is the person, 007 is a rank/designation.

@nightprowler1 3 года назад

@@brownrecluse9261 I don't want to see female 007 either. Let her be 009 or something like that. It's also a rank.

@brownrecluse9261 3 года назад

@@nightprowler1 But the ranks mean something. If she earned the 007 rank I don't see the problem. 🤷🏽‍♂️ Obviously the easiest solution is to not watch.

@edsterrock 3 года назад

Allan Heinberg is having the last laugh right now.

@danielenyel3542 3 года назад

When you fired good people you end up get burnt

@cristian52793 3 года назад

I hope Warner Bros brings him back.

@AlecArtComics 3 года назад

Exactly

@samazwe 3 года назад

I really hope they bring him back 🙏😭

@CK_Godoth 3 года назад

I'm glad they have a chance to come to this, to get to this realisation. They deserve it for dismissing his talent!

@ratatataraxia 3 года назад

I finally got a job! No more unemployment for me! I just had to share that. (I have no other social media) Now back to your regularly scheduled programming. *aw thanks you guys

@BeyondTheTrailer 3 года назад

Congratulations!!

@Tony98976 3 года назад

Congrats!!

@hairypancake4425 3 года назад

Congratulations 🎉🥳👏🎊

@lucasiglesias1894 3 года назад

Congrats !!!

@Xfile1947 3 года назад

Congrats!

@ardenaudreyarji 3 года назад

Grace: “Yeah this is bad.” Me: “No Grace, that was literally rape.”

@chriscueva1866 3 года назад

Well to be fair, rape is bad.

@meeper8365 3 года назад

@@chriscueva1866 wise words

@oremfrien 3 года назад

@@chriscueva1866 I'm going to make the bold step to say, "Rape is bad and I oppose it."

@davidslinn5920 3 года назад

13:56 "People also fondly remember Adam West's Batman, but just try and take that approach to a Batman movie." (Joel Schumacher enters the chat)

@davidjames579 3 года назад

That'd be a hell of a trick.

@O1OO1O1 3 года назад

Joel was resoundingly successful. It's one of the freshest, most interesting takes on the character we've got so far. His movie was cut, by the way. There was a more interesting version to be seen that was deeper and less goofy.

@shumay8777 3 года назад

Geoff Johns has made so many flops and they keep hiring the guy

@space1734 3 года назад

@Shawn Kuhn I think its okayish to involve him in a Green lantern film, he truly understands the lanterns.

@Rommism 3 года назад

@Shawn Kuhn he was a hit and miss at comics. some good some bad.

@alvinnganga1604 3 года назад

@Shawn Kuhn The cw superhero shows range from ok to terrible so I don't think that's a point in his favour.

@haiderz4510 3 года назад

And what flops are those may I ask? He wrote and produced shazam which was successful. He produced the first Wonder Woman which was successful. He produced aquaman which was successful. He wrote, directed and produced the new hit series stargirl which was extremely successful. He also produced doom patrol, titans and all of the cw arrowverse shows which are all considered a huge success and bring in millions due to ad revenue. Geoff Johns has more wins under his belt than loses and that’s why dc keeps hiring him. He’s also made dc millions of dollars from his comics and movies/tv so for them to just turn their backs on him is not only disrespectful but a bad business move on their part.

@KandaEzana 3 года назад

@@haiderz4510 He didn't write the first Wonder Woman you clown and Shazam had the lowest DCEU box office before BoP

@KathyPrincess 3 года назад

Biggest problem of this film: endless plot holes. This script should never have seen the sunlight, and this film should be renamed as “Wonder Woman Hallmark edition”.

@craigblum5385 3 года назад

💯💯💯

@lifeloverNorris 3 года назад

It's honestly some of the worst script for a superhero movie I've seen in while. It really feels worse than the likes of Dark Phoenix and Suicide Squad. Not even joking, and it's beyond disappointing because the first Wonder Woman actually was good.

@haalandfilms1695 3 года назад

Its clear that it is a watered down version of the original script, as the film itself is a mix of studio forced highlights and a couple of interesting ideas that go no where

@mattp6089 3 года назад

Well the biggest problem is that both Diana and Steve are clearly villains towards 'Handsome Man', but the plot holes are egregious and numerous. Especially since one of said plot holes is that, apparently, Diana knew all along how to free Handsome Man from his possession. I mean she doesn't even free the guy at the end because of this, she does it to get her power back!

@IsabelS_Fuyu 3 года назад

Lol I thought I was the only one who was thinking this...

@raamonster 3 года назад

"Subverting Expectations" was also what happened to GOT and now that franchise is... not as strong as it could have been to say it nicely. I think franchise materials need to be wary of that. Also yes men in their creative groups. Friction helps in seeing plot holes and can make sometimes make the material better.

@chriscueva1866 3 года назад

GOT should of never been a show.

@ThanatoselNyx 3 года назад

@@chriscueva1866 should've* And it was a great show when it was drawing from the books.

@fallendevonish1869 3 года назад

The thing about "subverting expectations" is that it only works if the subversion is BETTER than the expectations.

@fenixantoniofigueroa7588 3 года назад

I really hope these directors watch this. This is what they really need to hear because apparently our expectations were too high 🤷🏾‍♂️

@konstantinee 3 года назад

this movie disappointed me in so many levels that i just ended up agreeing with all the hate lmao

@jermaineshirley9767 3 года назад

😅Hahaha me too

@nah4858 3 года назад

This movie’s reception was truly the deciding factor on which side of Wonder Woman is most popular. The warrior Wonder Woman wins. It’s just cooler to watch.

@Uouttooo 3 года назад

Except you can't have Wonder Woman going around slicing/cutting people with sword and shield. You need some powerful supernatural/otherworldly beast for that. Chopping people's head off is a bit too much!

@nah4858 3 года назад

@@Uouttooo Well that's what people want. Supernatural/otherworldly beasts. Mythology is Wonder Woman's thing. That is why people gravitate towards her, she's an ancient mythological warrior, and it works in this world they have created. I enjoyed WW84, but having Wonder Woman save people in a mall, is a step down from Wonder Woman having an epic battle between the goddess Circe and her army of mythological beasts.

@LinoGuzman 3 года назад

@@Uouttooo I think your expecting marvel type of decisions where it’s more “pg-13” based but dc has the opportunity to take alternate routes and a larger spectrum, obviously super gory movies just aren’t fun, but there can 100% be a balance

@delvagus 3 года назад

@@LinoGuzman pg-13 isn't a Marvel thing, its a Hollywood thing. There are more R rated movies based on Marvel properties than DC properties.

@LinoGuzman 3 года назад

@@delvagus thats not what I meant from my comment. I’m sorry I wasn’t able to get my point across to you. That being that to gory concepts can be to much but there is a balance, and WW shouldn’t went that route.

@leejee88 3 года назад

it was so bad that i walked out of my house "- imdb user review

@robertbench5187 3 года назад

More like troll opinion

@elysciasaint-hilaire984 3 года назад

They need to stop powering her down. Since the first movie I couldn’t how slow they made her! Like she’s supposed to be like Superman but they made her powers align more with captain America

@nickelbug0707 3 года назад

Thank you, somebody else said it! Wonder Woman is supposed to be able to go toe-to-toe with Superman, be a challenge for the Flash, etc, etc! Not to knock Captain America (one of favs in terms of character development), but I shouldn’t watch Wonder Woman and think that he would be able to take her 😑. That may have to do with the fight choreography too, it’s so comic-y that it pulls you out of the experience (the slow-mo, awkward float-“running”) I just wish DC could choreograph fight sequences like Marvel’s.

@joshuacatadman9748 3 года назад

@@nickelbug0707 hey... I liked slow mo stuff. I think it's cool.

@aarontimber417 3 года назад

@@nickelbug0707 Hold up lol. Neither wonder woman or supermna are challenges to Flash. At all, comics wise

@kalsify1296 3 года назад

@@nickelbug0707 The slow-mo's were not as bad in this movie as in the first movie. In the first WW movie, the slow-mo's were annoyingly excessive.

@martman123456 3 года назад

Are plot holes now called "subverting expectations."

@oisinbrennan9927 3 года назад

I'm not being sarcastic or anything but I only half watched the movie while writing an essay, what major plot holes are in the movie

@Zain-ul-Abdin_Rajput 3 года назад

@@oisinbrennan9927 wonder woman can fly in 1984 but not in BVS and justice league. Apart from plot holes, the entire plot is just too dumb.

@TravisHouze 3 года назад

@@Zain-ul-Abdin_Rajput does it really matter that she flies in 1984 but not in JL or BVS?? Who said she didn’t in those films anyways? She clearly had to have flown in some sort in BvS since she was on a plane seeing the battle happening far away and appeared

@mappybc6097 3 года назад

@@TravisHouze That's one of many plot holes. Many saw her during the war back in WW including high ranking goverment officials and she appeared in photographs and documentation and never bothered changing her look. Fast forward to 84 and she still insists on parading herself with the same outlandish outfit she wore before in front of large crowds. Her endgame armor is even more ostentatious and let's not forget she also looks like a super model. Cherry on top she delivers a speech to the whole world simultaneously via the dreamstone. And yet with all of the above the audience is supposed to believe no world government bothered keeping an eye on a crazy powerful metahuman like Diana, who didn't exactly made it difficult to find her btw, and instead no one remembered her by the time of BVS.

@caiolucas8257 3 года назад

Exactly, the stone made no fucking sense.

@Blacm0nk 3 года назад

This movie felt like a very long CW show episode

@LukCPL 3 года назад

Don't insult cw, even their shows are better lol

@richmondboahene6536 3 года назад

Looked like Low budget CW tv show

@101Mant 3 года назад

@@LukCPL I dunno some of their episodes are real stinkers, feels like a long bad CW episode.

@diegoclark7697 3 года назад

@@richmondboahene6536 CW has better CGI for the money that's going into the movies

@richmondboahene6536 3 года назад

@@diegoclark7697 absolutely

@mikielsahagun6054 3 года назад

Yes Patty continues directing but: PLEASE GET AN ACTUAL WRITER

@zakichan851 3 года назад

Geoff jones is a very good writer

@cardiayhorton 3 года назад

@@zakichan851 In Comic books, yes but when it comes to movies, he's terrible at writing script.

@FifthAveink 3 года назад

people don’t like subverted expectations?! PEOPLE DONT LIKE BAD MOVIES! hello!

@mattgreen753 3 года назад

It was a mistake to not have licensed 80's music in this film. It would have really helped sell the setting and bring out that 80's nostalgia factor. At least have a couple of hits playing at certain locations - like at the party where she first reunited with Steve/HandsomeGuy.

@Kalamolng 3 года назад

It proves to me again that Patty cut major corners to profit more. She cut the writers, the cut out good music which the 1984 has good music & finally cut out the VFX budget as well. All in all to get more pockets line up to he and bill WB for 200 mill.

@notchuckproductions5029 3 года назад

I'm glad they didn't honestly, I'm getting sick of 80s nostalgia especially the music, honestly would have made me hate it more

@molotovgirl555 3 года назад

Totally agree and what was up with that really long classical piece that didn’t seem to fit into the movie at all?!! I was so confused.

@bluesraincancun9217 3 года назад

Yes!

@Madcowfighter 3 года назад

80's appropriate music wouldn't have changed anything. A bad movie is a bad movie. Captain Marvel had plenty of 90's hit music for nostalgia purposes and that was still a terrible movie. You can put sprinkles on a turd but at the end of the day it's still just a turd with sprinkles...

@cameronmcgill4848 3 года назад

WB need to have a big rethink about the direction for the DCEU. The quality in movies is just not visible.

@michaelthomas4693 3 года назад

As Grace mentioned, I thought Aquaman was a good balance between dark and light. If I were in charge, I would try to balance the DCEU in that direction. I thought it was the DC version of Marvel, which worked for me.

@mythos12 3 года назад

@@michaelthomas4693 thats not what i as a fan want personally at all. the biggest selling point for me is that the dceu is NOT marvel in its tone or approach

@cameronmcgill4848 3 года назад

@@michaelthomas4693 I think you, and Grace, are right on this one. Aquaman is my favourite so far, and was commercially successful too.

@danield.8233 3 года назад

More connectedness!! Along with variety of tone! That's what DC has that Marvel almost doesn't.

@ste13 3 года назад

Make WW3, Shazam2 &3, Aquaman 2 &3 and Man of Steel 2 &3 and after they all have trilogies just reboot the universe with new actors. The old DCEU needs to finish its story but in the future we need a new DC Universe that is better build by learning from the mistakes of these one.

@nexx410 3 года назад

Everything in this world that is brilliant is a product of a collaboration even though sometimes one person takes credit for it. But having limitations and constructive criticism is a blessing not a curse.

@Uouttooo 3 года назад

Personally I have no problem with ending the film with a conversation or reasoning. There are already all the other fight set pieces and the Cheetah fight just before. It was a mistake to get rid of everyone who made the first film successful. Patty failed to realize that they are important to make the first movie a success.

@justinamerican8200 3 года назад

Grace: "Listen to the comic book people!" *Geoff Johns* Also Grace: "Not THAT comic book person!"

@DM0M0 3 года назад

Grace's call to make this movie more comics accurate is a hard ask. Wonder Woman is not a character known for having consistent continuity. And that's even before we get into the mess that's been going on with DC in just the past few years.

@BCtube01 3 года назад

Yeah... pretty much😂😂😂. But she did mention that Johns has never written a Wonder Woman comic

@GINGI9519 3 года назад

I call BS, Geoff being trash is widely known and has several people against him, everyone was supportive of him in the beginning and he ruined that trust

@obo2999 3 года назад

Geoff Johns isn't known for his wonder woman work, because he has never had a run on that book. This isn'\t hard to understand. It would be like asking Chris Claremont for help on a Thor movie. Yeah, you found a comicbook guy, but maybe next time, find the guy who actually worked on the character you are using.

@justinamerican8200 3 года назад

@@obo2999 Which comic book did Kevin Fiege work on?

@dnsnnab 3 года назад

This movie turns its back on the first one with such different tone and styles. It's almost like they want people to forget the first one not remember it. And the "rape" part is the last straw for many people.

@protect_provide8031 3 года назад

Agreed, nothing is accomplished with this movie , there are no consequences at all, and as you say turns its back on first movie...

@DM0M0 3 года назад

I don't think switching tones/styles is the issue here. I almost expected it since this movie takes place ~70 years after the first one. The Captain America & Thor movies both did a tonal shift but they weren't automatically bad because of it.

@K20civicsirturbo 3 года назад

This movie was garbage just like the first one

@reyn8975 3 года назад

@@K20civicsirturbo no the 1st one is pretty good

@K20civicsirturbo 3 года назад

@@reyn8975 na it was hot garbage that third act is a mess

@myvoice7879 3 года назад

I think she needed this to wake up and stop being self centered and value team work

@sherriew36 3 года назад

She let the success of the first movie go to her head. Hopefully she makes it down to earth and like you said, get a good team who knows how to say nope, that's not it!!

@Trevleo1 3 года назад

@Lebogang Mangena She’s not selfish because she’s a very kind person

@deejaydiabolic Год назад

"The surprises need to be the sprinkles, not the ice cream". Perfectly said.

@indianaaxton6848 3 года назад

AAAAANNND guess who is joining Star Wars… I love how Star Wars just keeps getting the bad end of these unfortunate situations lol

@PTFPhoto 3 года назад

Blame for that falls squarely on the shoulders of Kathleen Kennedy...

@Darkest209 3 года назад

I think we need more Disney/Kennedy fails before we get a better Star Wars.

@ericjones3692 3 года назад

They already fired Rain Johnson and Lord and Miller after Last Jedi and Game of Thrones respectively, I doubt they will go forward with Patty Jenkins for similar reasons. Star Wars doesn't have the street credit to afford her right now, they are trying to get people to trust them, not give people reasons to doubt.

@patrickw.2521 3 года назад

@@ericjones3692 Weiss & Benioff did Game of Thrones, not Lord & Miller. Both of those pairs were fired though, Weiss & Benioff for their own trio of Star Wars movies and Lord & Miller for Solo: A Star Wars Story.

@hawaiihouse2810 3 года назад

I hope Disney pays attention to WW84 and ensures Patty doesn't have full control. They need to Give John F and the Star Wars Disney+ team more control over future Star Wars Movies.

@MrShaun42088 3 года назад

my God- that 80's intro was slapstick comedy and it was extreme ridiculousness

@dannys7182 3 года назад

Yeah using the three stooges as crooks was a bad idea. Its almost as if Patty was trying to make an 80s sitcom instead of a multi million dollar superhero movie

@yeahiprotest 3 года назад

Please stop with “homages” or referencing other films - it’s like an inside joke for film buffs. Or at least stop doing it in blockbuster mainstream films - just doesn’t work

@maltaylor 3 года назад

I feel the same. That's one of the reasons I hated Joker. In a similar genre film it does feel like proper homage because its not a selling feature. It's a buried nugget that's a tip of the hat to the pioneers of the medium. No one has any problem with QT for example because he's reinventing as he draws from his encyclopedic knowledge of film. Same with Scorsese. Even someone a blatant as De Palma still created a style of his own using the Hitchcock playbook. In a blockbuster where it's part of the marketing it feels like a blatant ripoff belying a bankruptcy of ideas. Sort of how gentrification operates by consuming the fringe and then up-selling it as chic.

@ew1068 3 года назад

Film buffs? Lmao Superman and Wonder Woman are for mass consumption

@oneandonlysound3453 3 года назад

@@ramanmono What this film did to wonder woman makes me think of what endgame did with a lot of the characters in endgame. I HATED ENDGAME. Aside from the "misery loves company" opening b4 they try to change anything, and the final battle with thanos, it is terrible and nothing but like a packed on 2hrs of fan-service in a no-stakes time heist done way better by agents of shield season 7.

@GizmoMaltese 3 года назад

No, movies and books always do that. You're always borrowing from other sources. It's good when you give a nod to your inspirations. It just has to be done well. The problem here is you don't want to draw inspiration from "Heaven Can Wait" when you're doing a comic book movie.

@STARBUCKS4LIF 3 года назад

I checked out of this video when you said Aquaman was kind of dark.

@Bizarro69 3 года назад

Lol the entire review is a blooper reel

@cultfilmvideo6936 3 года назад

It begins with Aquaman letting a man drown in front of his son. It goes off the rails 30 min. in, when the reshoots take over. *Cue Pitbull song and pointless exterior shot to sell said song.* Still: it has some pretty dark moments.

@johnmalayny2437 3 года назад

I love how Rian Johnson'ed has become a pejorative.

@donquixotic9175 3 года назад

I'm not sure if I'd rather be 'Johnson'ed' or 'Peeled', it all sounds unpleasant.

@AntonAdelson 3 года назад

Who is he?

@richardthecowardlylion5289 3 года назад

Me too! Well deserved!

@CarSVernon 3 года назад

it's what he deserves ;)

@JAW242 3 года назад

He worked hard on it, Pumpkin Head.

@Akairen 3 года назад

The problems with the film's pacing, tone, consistency, story and character motivations unfortunately distracted enjoyment away from the moments that were genuinely enjoyable. The logic and lack of consistency behind the wishes made no sense even for a superhero film. In my view, this film didn't need to be 140-150 minutes. It was too long and it felt like it was too long. The film also needed a proper antagonist that Wonder Woman could fight and challenge her ideology with and no, Cheetah was a poor excuse for an antagonist.

@ethandram 3 года назад

Off topic, but love your Solid State Society avi💕

@JustJulie-cz8fs 3 года назад

Ethan Ramsey The problem wasn’t Cheetah. Interestingly enough, I found Cheetah in terms of potential concept a really smart move that was intriguing. The problem is they really fucked up, solely because they didn’t even develop her. She was so minor and made pointless and too much focus was on Maxwell who overall was very least threatening and weak.

@magic75450 3 года назад

@@bnwo But people liked Wonder Woman (2017). And I have a strong feeling people will like Black Widow and Eternals too.

@exo.dus.1180 3 года назад

@@bnwo what does this add to the OP? the pacing, script and other issues could have been bettered irrespective of the creator being a womxn or man

@Coda-jj 3 года назад

@@bnwo my sister has a huge WW tat on her leg, she loves WW. She did not like this movie.

@Kinginthenorth64 3 года назад

Every decade has a Spider man 3 in it, This was it.

@mohammadpieteralhamid3370 3 года назад

Unless Spiderman 3 come after great movie and still way much better than this crap.

@innigaadu 3 года назад

Nope spiderman 3 is wayy better. Its kind of insulting to spiderman 3 to even compare with this movie. cause this movie absolute dog shit

@Trevleo1 3 года назад

@@innigaadu Wonder Woman 3 is confirmed

@jazzyjones6375 3 года назад

This says it all; Christmas Eve we watched Tenet, Christmas day we watched WW84, Christmas night we watched Tenet again.

@dgchvz 3 года назад

WHY DO PEOPLE STILL LISTEN TO GEOFF JOHNS

@brandon17760 3 года назад

I have no idea, he's great at green lantern, and his new 52 justice league, other than that hes not good lol

@dumpygoodness4086 3 года назад

POWER CORRUPTS

@andylindsey 3 года назад

In many workplaces, it's hard to fire people who should be, especially if they're in a higher position. They will need someone to replace him, who can work and deliver as much as Johns does and they will need a good amount of evidence that he should be let go. He could be one of those people who is always sabotaging others JUST under the radar so it can't be proven they're actual motives. Sadly, not enough people go to their managers or HR to try to fix bad behavior. Instead they vent and gossip to people who can't change it. I'm sure at this point everyone in WB is aware of his nonsense. It's just a matter of time till he's distanced from more and more film/tv projects.

@hummingbirdcity 3 года назад

He only ever wants to talk about comics that he rewrote.

@JaRW7 3 года назад

Doesn't he oversee all those animated movies and CW shows people love?

@armanimartinez8105 3 года назад

Patty and gal were on the same page and most of her cast loves her, she hasn’t attacked the fans and is in good standing with Snyder... rian Johnson was so bad he fueled the flames by attacking fans and clashing heads with Luke mark hamil. No one has been close to how bad rian Johnson was.

@lvx4408 3 года назад

that's the facts

@Him_Downstairs36 3 года назад

Don’t matter if ppl love her. The movie was so-so. This being truly HER movie u like the first Wonder Woman. There’s cause for concern.

@BryanDough211 3 года назад

Good point

@Cesarander 3 года назад

U didn't even watched the entire video, I know coz of the timing. How can u make a comment like that, u think u r smart huh 😒🤦🏻‍♂️

@newtronplayz 3 года назад

this man is spitting facts your hear me spitting facts

@danielcampos5315 3 года назад

trusting geoff johns was a big mistake. he hasn't written a good story in years. let's be fair, he was competent in the past writing comics, but that was a long time ago.

@cultfilmvideo6936 3 года назад

Lol he just wrote 3 Jokers and Rebirth wasn't that long ago. I do agree he's overrated though.

@danielcampos5315 3 года назад

@@cultfilmvideo6936 dude, three Jokers is so bad, it worsens the other stories that makes reference

@restlessoblivion 3 года назад

I really don't get adaptation directors who don't immerse themselves in the source material. If you're going to be "breaking rules" and changing stories, at least understand the material and the context of that material that you're changing.

@Leo-ls8tu 3 года назад

To me the most upsetting part of this film was the mistreatment of Cheetah. Such a legendary character wasted.

@stevensantos9572 3 года назад

Did you not see CATS? The bit of Cheetah we did get was going in that direction and, I think, we dodged a bullet. I like what they did with the character and how they set it up so she remains as strong as Diana.

@skyhigh6650 3 года назад

I want Cheetah to be the main antagonist in the 3rd movie and having WW be a real warrior again.

@Silvio67 3 года назад

Worst origin story in a movie ever....Nuclear Man from Superman 4 was better!!!

@PHlophe 3 года назад

they turned cheetah into a pet . this drove me loco

@Trevleo1 3 года назад

@@skyhigh6650 Oh stop & Gal is praised plus she’s back for Wonder Woman 3 & WW will be a public superhero in modern day

@saintlugia 3 года назад

The squickey nature of Steve's resurrection makes this film a black mark on the dceu.

@possiblymaybe6711 3 года назад

Grace makes it sound like we want fan service but a coherent and sophisticated film that has like accurate characterization would be enough. I wanted campiness but what we got was a joke

@simianinc 3 года назад

It wasn’t a case of not meeting fans’ expectations. It was a bad movie - exceedingly lumpen, poorly paced, unearned sentiment, and it was extremely predictable

@starsas2889 3 года назад

My jaw dropped when you said she got rid of Zacks team.😬

@nillson7580 3 года назад

Yeah the stunt & VFX team we're replaced.I think she did pick a lot of women for these positions this time around,prolly for sake of representation.Also Allan Heinberg was a good screenwriter.I don't know why this movie is such a downgrade from the first movie

@crimsondragon9099 3 года назад

No one likes the hack

@yeetcity2704 3 года назад

@@crimsondragon9099 actually many people do, and as we see in this film keeping his team would've been the best idea

@cultfilmvideo6936 3 года назад

@@crimsondragon9099 except Christopher Nolan lol.

@cultfilmvideo6936 3 года назад

@@yeetcity2704 *nObOdY LiKeS sNyder!* Except the man that picked him to direct Man of Steel: Christopher Nolan 😆 .

@samazwe 3 года назад

Hope Patty learns from her mistakes. She's a great director, but not a great comic book screenwriter. Please get Allan Heinberg and the original action choreographers and stunt team. Nothing in WW84 can compare to the No Man's Land to Village scene, or that badass beach battle scene in Themyscira. Bring them back for WW3!!!

@DifferentNow 3 года назад

Yeah i remember Grace talking about how Allan Heinberg did a good job on the movie, should have kept him!

@moua64 3 года назад

I cant believe the villains got a get out of jail free card. Cheetah and Maxwell Lord inherited no consequences after trying to destroy the world.

@diegoclark7697 3 года назад

Lord should have died. This movie is basically a fairy tale story

@richmondboahene6536 3 года назад

@@diegoclark7697 worst superhero movie of all time

@diegoclark7697 3 года назад

@@richmondboahene6536😬😬😬 does it beat Josstice league to that trophy? I think I enjoyed josstice league a bit more tho. This movie made me wanna rip my eyes out just so I can have something to throw at me tv.

@JeremiahTownsend 3 года назад

And the hero also let the guy who attacked Barbara, who is actually named ‘Dangerous Drunk’ in the script, free to continue assaulting woman, just so the villain could provide the punishment instead of law enforcement. Strange morals displayed by everyone outside of Themyscira.

@neutralman9124 3 года назад

@@diegoclark7697 Both films are absolutely horrible CBM, and neither the worst of all time, but at least Justice League doesn't have gaping plot holes and a rapist as a protagonist.

@Coonfused57 3 года назад

The lasso was too active! It was more like Spider-mans webs, meaning it sometimes seems like it's alive. They depended upon the lasso way too much for everything.

@crtkazzj75 3 года назад

Your critiques of films are always so insightful and I appreciate it. Don’t always agree but always give me viewpoints to think about 🤓 I enjoyed the movie but definitely saw it’s flaws, my boyfriend fell asleep and was very disappointed lol

@tvallejo1922 3 года назад

"Patty Jenkins really messed up the 3rd act here, by having a conversation instead of a fight" LOL for real!

@albertlucero1980 3 года назад

Agreed, also now finding out that she was against the third act of the first film and probably half-assed it is concerning to me. In the end, she needs to get her ego in check and understand that Wonder Woman is a comic book character, an Amazonian warrior and we want to see her do her thing. She seems to want to turn wonder woman into a love drama.

@PTFPhoto 3 года назад

@@albertlucero1980 "She seems to want to turn wonder woman into a love drama." Not wants to.. DID!

@PTFPhoto 3 года назад

@Daredevil Lebron Nobody was pissed that it was action. They were pissed that it was terribly executed with horrible CGI. And finding out that the director didn't want to do it in the first place and it was only there because the studio wanted it, clears up why it was awful. She never cared about it and it showed.

@diegoclark7697 3 года назад

The movie actually felt like a telenovella.

@thiagoaires 3 года назад

@Daredevil Lebron No one complained because it had action in the first film but because the effects weren't great and she relied too much on slomo scenes making the show down fight between too gods unsatisfying. Meanwhile in WW84 it was even worse because we had a whole speech about truth in the 3rd act.

@TazTheYorkie 3 года назад

I’m hoping in WW3 they bring Steve Trevor back as a zombie 🧟‍♂️

@boywithoutaparachute 3 года назад

WW3 should adapt DCeased where Wonder Woman kills Zombie Superman. Wheres Deadpool when you need him? We desperately need a Deadpool kills the DCEU with the final shot being Deadpool sneeking up on Geoff Johns and Walter Hamada from behind.

@BCDC123 3 года назад

I started to HATE that lasso. Loved the message, but everything else was mediocre.

@Dric_MagiC 3 года назад

I hate it when it flashback the legendary warrior! I said directly wtf! The scene was force!

@barrycarter7274 3 года назад

I just realised that most of the inspirations for this movie came from movies and series are lesser known properties that are quite old now. The heaven can wait movie I think unless you grew up in the 80s or before you probably wouldn't know it existed and for me I knew about the Linda Carter wonder woman show but it never aired on TV when I was growing up so don't know the themes they were going for if there are any references. You think most of the audience for comic book movies are probably 13-35. A large majority of the people who watched it would not understand these references or even care

@myschyveus 3 года назад

If she was reliant on someone else's comics knowledge, it's more accurate to say she Shyamalan'ed it. Get directors who are true "posters-on-their-bedroom-walls" fans. That's the lesson, Hollywood.

@extremetoast5723 3 года назад

They don’t even need to be mega fans, but they do need to understand it or have an idea for how to do it well.

@10mingameplay84 3 года назад

Than we would not get The Dark Knight.

@space1734 3 года назад

I don't think they truly need to be a fan boy of the comics of the character to make a good movie. I'm pretty sure James Wan wasn't a Aquaman fan, but he made an amazing Aquaman movie. They just need to respect the source material.

@Jk_hbngfvg 3 года назад

She should’ve realized that Carter’s Wonder Woman is more iconic than anything. No one wants to see her again, they want to see the Wonder Woman that was created in our time that we know and love.😂

@ike212111 3 года назад

"Subvert the expectation". You expect a good movie, then you get subvert.

@marcozolo3536 3 года назад

Like almost every Marvel movie that goes full Mary Sue

@rodneybean2455 3 года назад

Based on what you pointed out on Jenkins the answer is NO! She's proving to have bad judgment when it comes to directing comic book superheroes.

@paradiseb5950 3 года назад

I just don’t understand there were so many people working on this movie, where they all blind??? Or were they like: whatever i need my paycheck let Patty do whatever she wants.

@CoolBlackKnight 3 года назад

Yep. Who would step forward and risk it? Studio heads were treating Patty like she was infallible, so a pion working a mic better keep his/her grill closed lol.

@diegoclark7697 3 года назад

I mean they released Josstice league so anything is possible

@adityan7268 3 года назад

@@diegoclark7697 but that was done because of production issues

@kaiikiller4777 3 года назад

The problem here is that Patty was involved with writing the story.

@jamesward3859 3 года назад

But she wrote Monster which was great

@lsdesignweb 3 года назад

@@jamesward3859 It seems its good when directors write a movie when its an author movie (eg: Monster or Knifes out) but when it comes to things like comics, franchise, books with huge fan base its a lot more tricky

@GamingandFrightened 3 года назад

I didn’t realize that. Ok. She should never be allowed to write again.

@adamoxen 3 года назад

@@lsdesignweb knives out was good?

@kevingalvanlara2480 3 года назад

@@adamoxen its a masterpiece

@samshM 3 года назад

So the first Wonder Woman movie worked because of Snyder's screenwriter, NOT Jenkins. But she took all the credits for the success. Now that WW84 bombed, we should give the credit of the failure to her as well.

@Lospaghetto 3 года назад

Wonder Woman's worst crime is her technological illiteracy. 1984 she destroyed mall cameras to protect her identity, but that footage is transmitted to servers. 2016, she steals a hardcopy photograph of herself taken in 1917 from Lex Luther when he has digital copies saved on his servers. Merciful Minerva, please take a computer class, Diana.

@djJaXx101 3 года назад

My worst problems with the film: 1: Too many "What??? huh??? that doesn't make sense!" moments 2: I wanna see Wonder Woman super hero movie! not a Steve Trevor fish out of water/love story zzz please let Steve Trevor rest in peace. 3: Wonder Woman films shouldn't be "a bit rapey"

@diegoclark7697 3 года назад

What's funny is how she's portrayed here. A woman who is hung up on the first guy to the point that she doesn't even talk to guys? She can't even get in a cab with one. You can portray her as still hang over her ex but don't make her look like she doesn't want anything to do with men.

@thiagoaires 3 года назад

@@diegoclark7697 True, and I hate how it seems like they don't see the problem with keeping getting Steve back alive every film. Grace said they're looking at a way to bring him in the flashpoint movie like why??? Can't Diana be more than Steve's lover? What else do we know from her? What is her personality trait other than in love with Steve? What does she likes to do when she is not WW or why she likes to work on what she works, does she have friends? and etc... We barely know anything about her and we had two movies already.

@nimuealban8465 3 года назад

What? WW literally starts out post-Crisis with a big "a bit rapey"-Setup and it's not like it's never gone there again thereafter - as much as that was possible with comics, that is.

@diegoclark7697 3 года назад

@@thiagoaires this happened in world war 1. A very very long time ago. Why should Steve come back again? Steve is dead. Bringing him back in Flashpoint is a very bad idea. She's portraying WW as this character obsessed with her boyfriend. Meanwhile in bvs and her first solo movie, she's a strong independent woman. And yes. She barely has a life in this movie cuz she has made her life be defined by Steve. Steve Steve Steve. And let me guess. They're going to kill off Steve again and WW will get empowered by love again? It's like they're telling a telenovella story. I just hope they don't do that in flashpoint

@thiagoaires 3 года назад

@@diegoclark7697 I completely agree with you, before her first movie I never even knew who Steve Trevor was and I do confirm that he was cool and interesting in the first film but now is just too much. He became too big in her movies and that's sad because I feel it's doing a disservice to the character. Where is the strong independent female warrior that is Diana, a literal goddess in those movies? If feel like she has much more character traits to offer and to be relatable than just being in love with Steve.

@rossezrael3223 3 года назад

when you mentioned about getting rid of Snyders Vfx team And the screenplay guy, i couldnt agree more. big difference. big mistake.

@lairdriver 3 года назад

Snyder has the best CGI around and he uses Christopher Nolan 's cameras.

@rossezrael3223 3 года назад

@@lairdriver while im watching ww84 i gotta admit that i had like "what is goin on? the hell was that? " maybe because ive got high expectations and just didnt get through. well damn that hurts.

@korbinpheenix 3 года назад

Dude.. where are you gonna address all the bad things in this movie.. you're still doin damage control rather than goin down the line of problems WITH the movie and not all the bullshit surROUNDING it. Its your channel but maaan keep to the topic of information

@tonyzed6831 3 года назад

THIS!!

@SOULFORESAKER 3 года назад

She is not a real reviewer. She contracts herself, praising costumes when talking to Snyder that she called the worst before. She just said "marvel movies are like the source material". What comics does she read? That is not true.

@korbinpheenix 3 года назад

@@SOULFORESAKER over the past 2-3 years I watched her flip because she knows we're a force to be respected.. she wants some of the residual energy from these trending events and the magic we have to bring to the table but she was all but STRAIGHT OUT shittin on us beforehand

@timestamp4971 3 года назад

Subverting expectations is not the issue. The issue is the storytelling theory here was non-existent. The movie has no character development, no theme, no plot. Consumers are smart now and we know a bad script when we see it. And for a movie as big as WW1984, we deserve (and demand) better.

@Trevleo1 3 года назад

@Time Stamp Gal was praised for her performance plus she loves Wonder Woman

@wayneclark9794 3 года назад

Bottom line , Patty made a WW film that SHE would have liked to see in the 80's and ignored what made the first film so good. This is why giving complete control to a director is a bad idea, we saw this with Batman Returns, B v S , and now WW84

@gregsthrottle 3 года назад

sure, Patty Jenkins and Gal made a movie for themselves ... but Batman Returns and BvS are MASTERPIECES. I don’t understand any other perspective on the latter films. WW84 is definitely in need of an entire overhaul 😬

@RS-qc4tg 3 года назад

@@gregsthrottle Batman Returns sure, but BvS was not a masterpiece IMO. A decent movie sure, but not a masterpiece. Honestly enjoyed WW84 more than BvS.

@michaelcoggincarr 3 года назад

@@gregsthrottle when Batman Returns came out it wasn’t well received by a lot of fans (it has cult following now)... it was a Tim Burton version of Gotham because Warner Brothers were happy with Batman 1989 so they let him do what he wants to do. it took less money in the box office in the first one and the studio wasn’t happy with the final result... that’s why Batman forever are so different and more family like

@killzone1401 3 года назад

@@gregsthrottle Batman Returns and BvS masterpieces? Yeah that’s just not true at all.

@aliceinacidland 3 года назад

Yea let’s not compare Batman Returns to that other one 😏

@DTeezie313 3 года назад

I really wanted to love this movie as much as the first. There wasn’t anything memorable like the “No Man’s Land” scene from the first movie

@theelectricprince8231 3 года назад

True

@Aaron-zl5gq 3 года назад

100% this

@biiconic6348 3 года назад

I would say that Wonder Woman renouncing her wish was close to that scene She gave up the one selfish thing she ever did for the sake of regaining her powers, and then she learned how to fly Granted, the cuts for her flying weren’t great but the idea & the musical score was really building up imo

@wildheart3899 3 года назад

No man's land was SNYDER'S idea, ww84 is absolutely a G Johns and patty's crap.

@GloriaRodriguez-vy1gk 3 года назад

Jenkins aid No Mans Land was 100% her idea, and the studio wanted her to take it out but she stood her ground and she was right in that. I think things like that made her feel overconfident in her abilities :/

@melvinkherrr 3 года назад

I feel that wonder woman losing her powers is fine and is actually an interesting take on what happens to such a strong and aggressive warrior if she loses her powers. But I feel that Patty should have included a really cool third act when wonder woman actually regains her full powers and how she fights in with her full powers (i.e. the aggressive warrior she is). I think it would have at lease have helped redeemed a slight bit of the movie especially since this is a superhero movie and it would have helped solved the problem of a lack of action. If that happened it would have been quite a huge balance between the warrior Diana and the love peacekeeper diana. I feel that would be great?

@Trevleo1 3 года назад

@Melvin Kher She’s a superhero