I enjoyed Maxwell Lord. In fact my Mom and I (watched it together on christmas) easily agreed he was the one good thing in the movie upon it's conclusion.
Haha, IDK why but I keep picturing the hunter guy from the Jumanji original movie ! That'd have been funnier than this "Cats the Movie"/Cheetah CGI mess.
@@poo-tinthedwarfbunkerb1tch535 "Switch over"? What part of what I said makes you think I don't like MCU? While the MCU movies are good, they are formulaic. I really think DCEU has potential if they stop trying to copy Marvel. Movies like Shazam and Joker are great examples of what they do if they cared about the property instead of just trying to build a franchise. The real fun is at "The Boys".
@@poo-tinthedwarfbunkerb1tch535 people can enjoy both MCU and DC without picking a side. And here is a secret, they can also watch films from Sony too *surprised pikachu face
@Asier Etxeberria Irastorza this isn't exactly true. Every wish exacts a price, but the reason previous societies fell to the stone was that too many people wished for selfish things and wouldn't take them back or renounce them, thus destroying themselves and their surroundings. Honestly, all it took is just a few people at the end of this movie to say "You know what? Screw what this person is saying, I still want to nuke my enemies so no, I won't renounce my wish" and it still all falls apart and everyone dies. The entire script was a massive mess.
@@andrewshandle You're all missing the point made by focusing on the wrong kind of wishes like "I still want to destroy my enemies". That's not the actual problem with that scene. While wanting revenge, or money, or fame or to destroy your enemies can easily be categorized as selfish wishes, there are many wishes that in a real life scenario would happen that you can't so easily categorize that way. Imagine that some of the people that have children with diseases that give them incredible pain everyday, or people that are abused and sold to slavery(which still happens today btw), people whose family is too poor to afford enough food and are dying of hunger, or even people that are simply compassionate. If they all got their wishes to simply be able to give a decent life to themselves or others who need it how can the movie convince us that all it takes is some random lady on tv to basically say "hey stop being selfish" and they would all give up those wishes? It doesn't make any sense and you honestly couldn't blame them for not doing so.
@@AlquimistEd No, I don't think we're missing the point because I think you are arguing a different point than anyone else is. The entire script around the wishes is just bad. It's poorly thought out and not logically consistent, because there are either people who made non-selfish wishes or there are people who made selfish wishes and wouldn't take them back. A script doctor would have changed the script to be that the second Max Lord renounced his own wish it would have automatically cancelled everyone elses (assuming they wouldn't just change the entire third act entirely). As we've learned in 2020, counting on the good will of everyone to do anything is not even remotely realistic, so the entire "resolution" of the movie makes no sense. Bad script is bad, not much reason trying to justify the unrealistic way people reacted in it.
The most unbelievable part of this entire movie was how basic 80s computers all over the world were able to display a fully colored, high-resolution live stream of Pedro Pascal
A simple thing that bothers me is she asked to be an “apex predator” and was turned into a cheetah. Cheetahs aren’t apex predators, natives honestly see them as pests. I mean, they’re part of the same ecosystem as lions, leopards, and hippos for heavens sake.
Yeah. Not the same but...of all the obvious things not to like about the movie. The fact a fighter jet can’t fly from DC to Egypt without refueling. Probably several times was the deal breaker for me.
Yeah that bothers me too, because even Orcas are apex predators and you could’ve easily turned her into Orca instead of Cheetah, it would be nice to see an obscure character like her in a film.
Can we talk about the fact that Diana had the power to turn things invisible, only ever uses it once as a lazy explanation for the Invisible Jet, and then never uses said powers again?
@@Dilmahkana what about when she regained her powers? I’m just saying it’s one of the most basic rules of storytelling: if a character hangs up a gun in Act 1, they have to take it down and shoot it in Act 2.
I legit thought they were initially going down a dark route of Dianna thinking Steve was back but not realizing he was actually another man. That would have been 100 times more interesting and make Dianna's actions and interactions with him more acceptable as she was being deceived as a negative outcome from her wish.
I love how WW wasn't even the one who decided that Steve had to go. STEVE had to convince HER that she had to let him to. And NEITHER of them believed that because of the man they were killing; but because WW needed to go punch some people harder.
THIS!!!! I can't believe this wasn't mentioned. It's not even her decision. I guess it wasn't the point of this video, but overall the "feminist" notes fell SO flat this movie I was just disappointed by the end of it. I hadn't watched any trailers, so after Steve died in the first movie, and Diana had been living in our world for decades at this point, I was excited to see how SHE would do things this movie without Steve guiding her constantly. And then they just....instantly bring him back. And then he has to teach her how to fly. And find out where Lord was going. And fly the getaway plane. And convince her to let go instead of it being her choice. But hey, we got a campy scene where she winks at a little girl after rescuing her from a hostage situation DO YOU GET IT ICONIC FEMALE ROLE MODEL DO YOU SEE?
@@thesabotagedandovershadowe8423 haha omg how is this possible. the marketing is all about feminism but the movie is about how she can't be whole without a man. terrible
Maybe I just loved the first WW movie so badly I’m overlooking things but I actually found the sacrifice pretty deep. Yes Steve makes the decision because he’s been dead for decades now, he knows he doesn’t belong in the world but Diana has held onto him unable to get past it. When he first suggests she revokes her wish she denies it immediately but it’s only once Diana herself gets her ass handed to her it’s a quick decision, it shows that the moral from the gauntlet scene is still in her head; that getting what you want doesn’t matter if it isn’t actually real, and it serves the purpose of showing her start to finally let him go. Yes Steve is the one that mentions it, encourages it even, but she has to give her free will and say the words to kill him. It’s his encouragement of letting him go that is the same reason she fell inlove with him in the first movie, he knows the world needs her and he’s already a dead man, to keep him means she can’t defeat Cheeta or Maxwell and actual living people die. It shows Steve will always be the one strong enough to sacrifice himself but it’s to preserve Wonder Woman’s place in the world so she can contribute to saving more lives. At the end, Steve got his wish and didn’t have to revoke it. He wished they had more time, and their 84 adventure was a gift. She doesn’t even stand to watch him fade because deep down as soon as she says she revokes the wish and loves him, she takes off running to symbolize that she’s spent almost 40 years now lingering in that moment, the sprinting was finally getting past that stage of grief and back to focusing on the world that needs her.
Pedro Pascal's perfomance as Maxwell Lord was the highlight of the movie without a doubt. You could tell that he was having fun being over the top with his role. Everything else ranged from just okay to weak in my opinion.
I was just confused about how Diana was stuck on a dude she met 66 years ago for a couple days. Steve is her main characteristic and that’s what’s bad about it to me.
The film is supposed to be set in 1984, yet there's almost nothing 1984 about it. Worse, the film fails to mention the L.A. Olympics, which was the biggest thing that happened in 1984.
@@DVankeuren Wonder Woman is a fictional character, yeah, but if you have your fictional character in your fictional story set during a specific time in history only to completely ignore that history anyways, then it throws you out of the story. Not to mention the things they’ve already established about this Wonder Woman in other films being ignored too. This is especially weird seeing that the movie before this was set during World War 1 and they DID use more aspects of that real period in time in order to guide its fictional characters. I don’t think anyone was expecting a historically accurate and hyper realistic superhero movie, but when they titled it “Wonder Woman: 1984”... you kinda expect more than what it gave, y’know?
@@ripvanwinkle7689 only because I'm not a woman so i cant speak for them but as a male I'd say I have some say in how he might feel Alot of male fantasies involve a hot woman just jumping you because she was horny for you
@@MrLachapell that's not how that works It got delayed but since they likley had less people to work with and a much slower production they achieved less with more time
I know! It is like "Let's film a whole bunch of really cool scenes and action sequences and leave it to the writers and film editors to try to make a coherent movie out of this mess."
100% Couldn't agree more with all the points made. Especially the unsettling use of another human's body without any shred of empathy, such a shame that this film flopped :/
@@thecabbageman1 "decent audience ratings"? lmao have you seen imdb. 5.5/10. lowest for any dceu film. and yes it got good box office but still overall loss. it didn't gain enough subs for hbo max.
@@charan775 that's crazy! To think the first movie was the one that gave people hope for a better dceu & they've become like this for the sequel... It's such a let down.
When the Amazon gauntlet went over 6 minutes to nearly 11 (plus the opening narration and credits , which is another several) I knew I was in for a molasses slog of a slow crawl. I just assumed this would be a solid hit, but actually it got me mad at points, like confusion anger, they had the perfect, simple, Cheetah origin to use... And they didn't, they did the opposite of what media does, they complicate it.
Thi film might be the very first time ever that Cheetah has had a simple origin. It certainly wasn't perfect, but it was simple and straightforward, unlike any other version I know of.
@@Carabas72 It's easy to get angry at these kinds of character abbreviations, like the Joker being responsible for the death of Bruce's parents in Batman '89. But the fact is, movies don't have the luxury of long, drawn out stories. I think the problem here, which Captain Midnight points out, is that it was overly simplistic without being concise. They repeated the same plot points again and again in circular dialog, without really finding the core story they were searching for.
@@shinaikouka I mean it was an emotional moment that literally did give her an important phrase. So I'm not sure about that criticism. I don't know the opening scene was fine for me, at that point I was still trusting this would be a good so I was on board to go where they wanted. It was the goofiness of the mall scene that made me go like... oh no this is gonna be a dumpster fire isn't it.
Wow, really? Did you go back and watch the movie a second time with a stopwatch to determine it was precisely 11 minutes, or did you read that number on a reddit post?
If living through this pandemic has shown me anything, it's that it's extremely unrealistic to expect 100% compliance even for something with relatively little impact (i.e. wearing a mask), so I ABSOLUTELY do not buy that everyone would revoke their wishes just cuz some lady on the TV said so
Right? I had the same issue. Especially the people that made like super aggressive wishes. There was no way these people were being moved by that speech and were just like ah yes nevermind I do not wish to do evil things anymore
What about people who want to do legitimate good for the world like Wonder Woman? Why would they revoke their wish to help others or take away the wish to benefit their family like better crops during the famine season or curing cancer?
@@nicpic1985 Yup. DC caught a good break with Arrow and then Flash season1.. Then they dragged those decent shows into the mud to their death. Now they did the same with Wonder Woman. Who makes such dumb decisions
@@naeemahmad03 totally agree. I watched Arrow season 1 but after couple episodes of s.2 I was like bye. Flash I think I caught half an episode. I liked Shazam the movie though. Just silly fun.
marvel use the same mold over and over again for everything. It's kinda easy after you finaly perfect the recipe for mass production. Dc gives us variety and creativity, and occasionaly a pure gem of a movie among all the dregs; The best DCs are way better than any Marvel movie can ever hope to get, but they are rare.
To summarize: Directors need to leave the scripts to the writers. Jenkins and Snyder have both proven that just because you can point a camera, doesn't mean you need to put your fingers in all the pots. Sit in your director chair, and stay the hell out of the writers' room!
Unfortunately, Geoff Johns, a prominent DC writer and former head of the DCCU division at Warner Brothers, co-wrote this with Jenkins. He's definitely written some good stuff but I can't imagine how he thought this a good idea.
@@HellaBeed this whole thing looks like it was paying homage to the campy fun side of the Wonder Woman tv show, and Geoff was probably told to try and replicate this, so I’m not going to blame him for doing what the director wanted, not saying he couldn’t of done better but he did the job he was given
You completely omissed the way WW84 dumps on DCEU continuity. In BvS there's a whole plot thread around Bruce Wayne figuring out who Diana Prince is as she was not actively superheroing for a long time. And then we see her jumping around a shopping mall in full costume, fighting criminals during 80s in WW84.
@@lawrencejahanfar2957 the thing is you’d have to also justify that no one mentions seeing an Amazon jumping around like nothing Or he’ll how no one talks about Max’s whole ass livestream
@@ItsButterBean1020 Yeah, those massive event must be published on any newspaper or tv, but i just pretend that batman is still young enough to understand what happend and alfred just too busy to watch news.
Yeah she took out the Security Cameras in the Mall, so No would Know who She is. Also during the 80's, People still had no Idea who she Was, just a Mysterious Hero.
@@TheRManProds But someone this actively showing up from time to time would be a major subject of gossips and tales, right??? Like are we going to pretend someone heavily involved in an international event could've gone under everyone's radar just days after that said event???
@@Beraksekebon21 you sound incredibly ignorant, Jesus christ. First of, there are barely any female directors/writers/producers working on marvel films anyway not because there aren't plenty of talented ones out there- it's because though the big budget film industry is improving, it still has along way to go in terms of gender influenced work. Go out of big budget projects like marvel/dc and there are countless fantastic indie, low or moderate budget films directed, produced or written by women. ALSO, you act as if plenty of marvel or dc (mainly made by men) films are cinematic MASTERPIECES. When most dc films are garbage (not just this wonder woman 2) and half of marvel films are literally average. And guess what- MOST were made mainly by men. So by your idiotic logic, I guess by default, ALL men can't make movies? Lmao
i like that moment. Plus she doesn't really need to fly in justice league anyways or bvs. She really doesn't have any reason To soo eh. Still I like the scene feels something straight outta the richard donner superman films or more obviously....MoS
@@92brunod but say this. Remember in BvS when she came outta nowhere to save Batman? I don't think a Mega Jump would do that. again I don't mind your opinion yes she could have done those things easily by flying but then she did just leap down eh. I dunno. Again who knows maybe snyder cut Ah screw it i don't care
Actually this movie is a masterpiece because it is a documentary of what not to do in a movie in general, I got the message very well and if you could learn and internalize that message that good, then it’s a masterpiece.
He was the weakest actor. He didn’t carry this movie. He was nothing more than a whiner. No character development. Just a lazy character used as an after thought. He was horrible.
if they were gonna go this direction ( weird ass direction at that )at least a scene like a phone call or something from his daughter something with the mom crying in the back asking "daddy where did you go? i miss you..." and steve trevor listening and plays back the message for diana to listen to and they look at each other and let their eyes show the weight of diana wish and what it has done to this family , put it after the firework scene too to have such a wonderful moment only to have reality set in . idk lol
Either that or you know... magic. He just appeared in the 80's with an apartment. He didn't replace anyone, it is just magic. They already showed the magic works retroactively too. Either one of these solutions would be fine.
Like so much of the bad writing in this film, the whole idea of having Steve possess someone else's body was completely unnecessary. The stone apparently grants wishes, but I doubt that Diana wished Steve's soul to take over the body of some random guy who was alive at the time and I doubt that either Diana or Steve would be comfortable with this if it did happen, yet they're both fine about it in the film, which is disturbing. They even go back to the guy's apartment and have sex in his bed... Steve should've just appeared when Diana made her wish and then disappeared when she renounced it...because, magic!
@@JohnDoe97637 I don’t know if you’re being serious or not but Warner Bros only distributes the movies, DC Films makes the movies. Therefore, they get all the blame. Tell them to direct/write better.
I didn't understand why people were supposed to get one wish but Barbara got two wishes. To be like Diana and to be an apex predator. Also, cheetahs aren't apex predators lol
Meh, they've gone through the whole possession stuff a lot and I think they didn't do enough with it. Sure, they did more than here, but it still felt like they dropped the ball for some conflict. I don't want to turn this into a big rant about SPN (could do that all day) but stuff like s9 (spoiler) when Dean tricks Sam into letting Gadreel possess him. Sam, who's been possessed by both the demon Meg and _Lucifer himself._ I don't feel like there was enough consequences for Dean in letting Sam, who probably has some buried issues with being possessed, be possessed by another angel. Idk, this was just one example. There's also the whole stabbing demons with Ruby's knife or angel blade and killinh the host all the time, which was brought up for a split second with Sam's powers allowing him to exorcise demons safely, which Dean doesn't even consider for a second if memory serves. Idk, just a couple examples where I think they could have pushed it further. They definitely did better than this movie, but that's not saying much, esp. considering when SPN had 15 seasons compared to this one single movie, yet still relatively (imo) dropped the ball in that department as well.
I’m just confused on how lord wasn’t prosecuted at all I mean yeah I guess the wishes disappeared like we saw with the missels but still he should’ve been held accountable
@@kevinscott3047 that’s true but technically he isn’t a politician or even elite, he’s a failed businessmen, which makes me kinda mad he wasn’t prosecuted
Before the reshoots he probably was too dead to be prosecuted due to Diana having snapped his neck. But really, I think from a legal point of view, it would be a very tough case to get a conviction on. For starters, you would somehow need to enter some top secret military hardware into evidence.
What's most off putting about Diana's final speech about how the world is beautiful as is, is the fact that she's practically an immortal goddess with super strength, speed and beauty.
It wasn’t that it’s good as is, the point was that we ALL wish for more, but can’t cheat or shortcut our way to not. We all have to make small wise giving steps to get and give more.
Wonder Woman was just never going to give this guy his body back if she didn't absolutely have to. And considering how many wishes must not have been revoked, maybe she didn't have to
I think they all had to give the wish back because they were under the influence of the lasso of truth. I don't think they had a choice. At least I hope that's how it is, or else that's a huge plot hole
You forgot to mention the strange obsession with fashion; from the Trevor dress-up show, to the focus on high heels and dresses, to the basically-just-a-huge-glam-shot of Diana dropping the gold wings that lingers just a little too long making you think, "What is this shot?". It even ends with post-Trevor guy in the outfit Diana picked and Asteria walking around in a very out-of-place cape-like outfit.
it’s almost like they thought ‘hmm so if we’re going to tell everyone this a feminist movie, we need to know what women like... AHHH fashion! chuck some of that in there, women like that shit’
I know. Arbitrarily too, he did not hear the speech or anything in the middle of his gunfight, just randomly changes his mind, then reverses it in Oxford English.
I give them credit for still doing the whole “person has to let go of dead loved one” with him, that’s perfectly fine in theory with this character though really they could have gone smarter and just given him a descendant or something.
They dressed in 80s clothes but didn't feel like a modern time 80s themed film. Idk Red Letter Media, Angry Joe, Chris Stuckmann reviewed this and pretty much summed up how I feel about this mess. I'd also like to point out the fact that a writer who wrote for DOOM with Dwayne Johnson... Wrote for this movie.... Doom.
Everything was cringy, I literally didn't find a single intellectual moment in the movie. The little asian kid is the highlight of the movie and he needs to get a raise. He literally gave off more honest emotion than the rest of the cast.
@@sithlord7m It's the intellect of 50 year old filmmakers with lots of cash and a well lived life. Thеу are not supposed to serve you bad content. Dramatisation is an intellectual process that should be done by well read people. I'm not expecting low end characterisation / bad plot unfolding with those staring conditions.
@@thelocaldiva I don't think it could have been faker or worse. Now, I still think all the "bad" elements in the movie were put to work with a hidden intention. Which one? I ignore
@@m4r_art "Thеу are not supposed to serve you bad content." I hear what you are saying, but I think where you get it wrong is assuming anyone in hollywoke has anything thoughtful to say. They're all after the cash and superficial virtue signaling.
If Steve came back to life in his body at like Diana’s house, some characters were slightly reworked, and the pacing was fixed this would be a far better movie
I know not everyone agrees with me, but I personally feel like SM: Homecoming nailed the self aware campiness without bringing the rest of the film down.
A "long dramatic speech" at the end is a understatement. I fell asleep every time I've watched it. The LOTR Sam speech is a great reference to prove how this type of scene is possible.
A lot of the issues I had with the film are well-encapsulated by your review, especially the part about ignoring the guy who Steve 'inhabits' throughout the film. And worse yet, Diana sees the guy at the end of the film and isn't chagrinned or embarassed at all!
Reverse the role and Twitter would fucking explode! Imagine Steve Rogers having sex with Peggy Carter in another woman's body. Oh man, the feminists would burn down the studio
@@khangho4167 That's what I was thinking dude, if in Captain America 2 we had Steve Rogers wish Peggy be back in another woman's body and starts having sex with her, the feminists and white knights would lose their mind. Their would be petition to cancel MCU and Evans.
@@the-lil-x If Steve just appeared and WW still lost her powers, her conflict would be choosing her own selfish desires while innocents suffered. Major superhero conflict right there.
I know I’m one of the very few people who thought the first WW was only ok. I didn’t love it as much as most, but I did like it. I was hoping this would be great...obviously, it wasn’t. It did however make me go back and watch Captain Marvel...and I gotta say, after watching WW84...CM was a masterpiece. 🤷🏽♂️
Can we please talk about how Wonder Woman needed a man she knew for like 1 year over 4 decades ago to give her permission to be happy again? Cause that shit blew my mind how did they think that was a good idea
Steve literally fights guys on a tank using this person’s stolen body Also who the fuck says “I want to be an apex predator like no one has ever seen” as their request Also the idea of a villain granting people’s wishes to defeat them is exactly as original as the plot of an actual Ninjago season Also the whole “TrUtH iS GoOd” theme is so hamfisted and forced that it’s painful
@@SpiderManMCUniverse i agree, but he was replying to someone saying "the movie wasn't entertaining", saying some scenes were. Whether it was good or not doesn't matter in that statement
@@jemstar63 Captain Marvel (2019) and Wonder Woman (2017) were their respective franchise's first movie to feature a female main protagonist. While Wonder Woman was praised, Captain Marvel was panned. I think it's possible that the tides might turn.
I’m almost certain something about Pascal’s role got mangled with reshoots and re-edits. Cause there’s one scene where he tells Diana she should have joined him, except there’s never any scene where he offers her to join him.
On the complaint that it doesn’t make sense Barbara wished to be cheetah because she wants to be respected, at that point she had lost her humanity to the stone in exchange for the power.
In the film Diana says the guy looks like himself (in his outward appearance) but because she knows he's Steve, she only "sees" Steve. The whole thing was creepy, nonsensical and unnecessary.
@@illsaveus Now thats an intriguing plot. What if instead of wishes it just let's us see what we want. And this dude is just taking advantage of his situation. But also from his perspective wonderwoman is dragging his ass into dangerous situations. Maybe instead Diana has to realize that this wish is truly fake rather than having to give up the soul of Steve Trevor. Which I mean she would have chosen Steve over a stranger in the movie which isn't very Wonderwoman.
The plot could have been a story of how Diana came to term with acceptance. Accepting her loss of Steve while finally understanding that she cannot keep holding on to the pain of the past. It should have never had "villains," because the villain would be HER WISH. Her being egotistical and didn't understand at first that it's not just Steve that she saw but also someone else. She would gradually investigate who this man is because there's many clues that suggest that something is off with "Steve." It would've been still very heartbreaking too, but it would be a story of Diana. Not having any extra plot of another man seeking revelation from his child or another woman seeking validation from others. It would've been JUST her, Diana. The Wonder Woman. How much it would hurt to lose Steve for the second time, but AT LEAST they meet again. That also could help with the revelation of this actual guy whose body Steve inhabited for a few weeks perhaps. Diana could gradually build a new friendship, and possibly, a new romantic interest if they want. Anyway, I was fond of the movie. I hope that the similar bright tone will be in another movies with better plot.
In the film when she and Steve are flying to Egypt and she’s trying to make the plane invisible, she tells him that her dad taught her and her siblings how to do it, one she didn’t know she had any siblings and, she didn’t know who her father was, and in the first film she was raised by the Women on the Island! So good job to the genius who wrote the second film script!
Correction. That's not how the dialogue went. Diana said "My father (Zeus) hid Themyscira from the world and *I've been trying to learn how he [made things invisible]*. And in 50 years I've only done it once." She doesn't explicitly say she was taught by Zeus. Also, in Wonder Woman, Ares tells Diana that she's the "godkiller" that Zeus gave to the Amazonians, revealing that she is his daughter. I don't know how you missed this because that was a major plot point in the first film.
the Idea of a villain who grants wishes and takes over the world has been done MUCH better. In ninjago, a kids show of all things. Nadakhan the djinn (genie) Is a prince whoo was banished from his homeland and was treated bady. He grants wishes but cons the wishes so that he gets what he wants. You slowly learn his ambition with power in a sensible way, not just rush it at you expecting you to understand. You see how big of a threat he is and see him as a three dimensional villain. If you check ninjago season 6 on netflix, you'll see what I mean. Its impressive how they pulled it off and how well written it is. I recomend it so its impressive how a really good idea for a villain was ruined and at the same time, made better in A KIDS SHOW. wow wb has got to step up their game if they want to be remembered
aw yes I love Ninjago. Despite being a cgi toyline show it really does have better writing than your average DC movie, plus the soundtrack is great, the backgrounds and creature designs are nice, and the characters are likeable.
While I will agree the theme could have been better presented. Pointing out the dangers of mindless consumption to satisfy an endless appetite for more is valid, sometimes you don't need more to be happy. You should appreciate what you have already and work to be a better person with what already possess.
WW, a warrior from a land of women, being bisexual (as is already cannon with her comic lore), and Barbara pining for her affection but losing it to Steve upon his return and growing increasingly jealous of the both of them enough to become villainous; then WW has to give up on both Steve AND Barbara at the end... Now that would’ve been a damn great idea with legitimate emotional stakes! but clearly the writers of this film were not interested in great ideas.
Steve's reappearance took me and my friend completely off the track (not that we were that absorbed into the movie in the first place...). We were like, who is this guy? What's his sexuality? Does he have a girlfriend or boyfriend? Married? Family? What about his job? Did Steve go into work for him? Does he have STDs? WHAT?!!! I mean, if it's a wishing stone, then it could be within the stone's power to just give him his own body. Or maybe the screen writers just want to show that Diane would recognize Steve in whatever form...
My family,was like wait what if he has a wife and a family and they think he abandoned them and BTW i said in my review and everywhere that she asked for him to come back not for him to come back in some innocent mans body
Lucasfilm must be groaning right now. First the Rian Johnson trilogy announcement. Then TLJ comes out. Next the Benioff and Weiss movie series announced. Then GoT season 8 comes out. Then the Rogue Squadron announcement. Then this debacle.
If they don't cancel this I'm so lost, zero people care about the rebels and whatever shitty story they'd try and tell. The Rian Johnson trilogy shouldn't have been cancelled for this
Couldn't we get Jon Favreau or Dave Filoni to direct the next star wars. If they insist on having a woman be an integral part of the movie making team. Bryce Dallus Howard is a good candidate.
I think they should have just focused on Kristen Wiig's Cheetah as the main villain. They should have expanded more on their friendship before she turns evil. The dream stone plot could still work with just her. Maybe the stone could grant as many wishes as you can ask but as she keeps wishing for more, she loses more and more too leading to her to continually lose her humanity and becoming a cat like being. She can use to the stone to grant other people's wish too resulting to chaos just like in the film. She can even be the one in the climax of the film instead of Max Lord that has to renounce her wishes before she becomes a full blown animal. Max Lord is really not interesting and unnecessary when they could have done so much with Cheetah. Two villains is just too crowded for this film and I can't believe they went for Max Lord as the main villain.
If we could get a Wonder Woman movie directed by Sam Raimi, that'd be awesome. Tie it into the universe alongside The Batman and Joker and we'll be moving in the right direction
@@rasalasblack Snyder =/= bad CGI. That is a fact. People like this Cut and if they had followed Snyders plans and did stand alone movies aside the DCEU timeline, they would have huge success by now.
it has Kristine Wig on it. Why is everyone moaning as if they were lied to? Why are people so idiotic. Its from the same director that made a movie that targets young female audiences, but puts a very Naked Chris Pines, cupping his testicles with a fist while Gal Gadot rapes him with her eyes.
@@eduardochavacano lol thank you. I hate super hero films except for the dark k Igor trilogy and I knew this film was gonna be a shit show years before it came out. I can’t wait for super hero movies to phase out so real directors can start making good movies again that actually challenge the audience instead of action and explosions
I'm so happy you mentioned how pacing was a problem in the film - it was the biggest problem for me. Some scenes went too long, causing the final act and all of its weight to feel lame and insignificant, especially when everyone just renounces their wish all at once.
LOL. Yes, as I was sitting there I was thinking "this is worse than the original". However, my 14 year old daughter wanted to see it, and I hadn't been to the movies in 10 months so WW84 got it. The best I can say is Gal Gadot is hot, and it isn't as bad as Justice League or Aquaman. If you could endure those, you'll be fine.
Chris Pine, Pedro Pascal and Cheetah; Remove one of these and you get enough room to flesh out all others. Once again hollywood trying to cram too much into a block buster movie.
Two huge problems I see are poor writing, and horrific editing. And now it seems the problems with the film will be compounded by blaming fans for not liking it.
well the first delay for the film was due to test screenings not going well which issued some reshoots so maybe the editing had to manage with footage that didn't match the previous and or the scenes that came after it. I dunno
@@sharkjira9142 yeah who knows maybe the OG One was alright. Remember BvS got a standing ovation and was murdered by critics? Not me tho. Shows how ineffective test screenings are at displaying how good a film is
It wasn't a great movie but it was just fine. Quite muddled and low emotional stakes. Had some fun Superman-esque moments and cool scenes. But the negative RU-vid people have been working their magic.
New to the channel, never heard of you ever before-but this breakdown was so objective and honest to my ears that you earned my sub off one video. Lol. Bravo man.
@@aguyfromnothere I know she isn't a normal human and all but still, 60 years to still be thinking about the same guy to the point of not being able to date someone else if you wanted to is really weird. Or even just to be okay with being on your own, either one is better than not moving on after all that time. But yeah her moping about it especially is the real issue here, how is this a strong female character exactly? Her entire life is centered around a guy she loved but has been dead for 60 years now, really??
@@Shift_Salt Have you heard of romanticism? It’s an art movement made in reaction to industrialisation and centers on nature and romance. Especially tragic, dramatic romance, where the main character is a martyr because of love in one way or another. In addition, it ignores rationality when it comes to romance and promotes loving while ignoring the consequences. As a woman that got thrown into the industrial world and lost her lover it makes sense she is a romantic. She is a martyr and isolates herself because she lost Steve but also all the people she cared about and ignores the consequences for love, just for a moment before realizing her mistake and letting go. Diana is shown to be a strong character in the way a princess is, kind in all circumstances (even as she lost everything to time) , resilient and badass as a plus. Romanticism is an escape and has flaws, so does the movie. But there are qualities here, simple clear ones.
It's that old concept of soul mates, i think. She loved him so much she could never get over him. Cheesy, but cute. I'm a sucker for cheesy romance so i liked it, but modern audiences don't really go with this stuff anymore
@@babyblue3717 this is why movies with no love story are better Include a love story when is unnecessary is just lazy writing But in WW84, this concept could've been better explored. I remember when people speculated that Steve was gonna be revealed to be Martian Manhunter
It's clear the "possession" thing was solely to get the emotional scene where Diana sees a stranger transform into Steve. I guess they couldn't find a compelling way to just re-introduce Steve from "thin air". The implications weren't thought about too much.
The best hero vs villain is where they’re similar but on the opposite side. If they nailed the fact that WW wanted Steve isn’t so different to what Pedro wants.
I feel like this was more or less the point they were going for: Make a movie that is as camp, chaotic, cheesy, child-like, clumsy, comedic, lighthearted, naive, on the nose and plain stupid fantasy fun as certain films in the eighties were. Somewhere between the Superman movies from the eighties and that very strange Supergirl movie from 1984.
