Working Castlevania MORNINGSTAR is Terrifying to USE! Belmont Whip 

the biggest problem with chain whips is they dont taper. You need a few feet of really rigid material with a little flex to really make a whip useable

ironicaly the chain is too flexible it needs some springiness and rigidity

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People are all about how to make it more whip like. However they are ignoring the weight and length. In Castlevainia it's clear that the Morningstar is slightly longer than a whip. Which will effect accuracy immensely. I will give the Castlevainia Netflix show some credit Trevor mentions in passing that it takes a lifetime to master using the Morningstar, meaning even the shows writers saw how difficult a weapon like the Morningstar would be to use.

It would function better as a meteor hammer than a rope dart since that's essentially what it is.

I see a bunch of comments saying that it doesnt whip like a whip because it lacks taper in the chain, which is true, but it is also true that the mass of metal hanging off the tip will not allow it to whip. The science behind this is the larger mass at the base speeds up the slightly lighter section, which increases the speed in the next less massed section, and so-on down the line. That clump of metal stops the progression, hanging an anchor at the tip, so the tip cannot obtain the speed of sound that a real whip would SNAP at. This is definitely more of a Ball and Chain style flail, with an extended chain, or, like others have pointed out, a meteor hammer.

I think, you need chain that parts starts be smaller and smaller to make it "whip" to exchange that power into speed.

When making a chainwhip' you need to remember the five rules of whips Heaviest - Heavy - Mid - Light - Lightest' I hope this will help making an even more terrifying one

As a rope dart practitioner, I can assure you that with proper technique that thing would be monstrous. I've noticed that when people who don't know about rope darts and meteor hammers try using them, they tend to do a lot of horizontal techniques and hold them way too close to the end. I've already described a fair bit of this in Shad's vid about Scorpion's spear, which is just a rope dart.

The irony of the headgear not protecting the back of his skull

After watching this, a video by Mike Shake popped up in my feed titled "I Made The World's Most Powerful Whip", in it he makes a metal whip - that works, which is part chain, part steel wire

The term you can't push a chain comes to mind . Perhaps a steel cable woven in the chain might give some stiffness a but remain flexible enough.

I'm glad you called it a flail cause whips have vastly different weight distribution. Even if you take the tip off, the weight is still not concentrated near the handle therefore it's still not a whip.

Tyranth I laughed so hard in that first 20 seconds. I normally don't like that stuff but the way you did it is so damn believable 🤣 I'VE BEEN THERE! Also I like the fact that you admit that the equipment you use is legitimately scary like a grinder!

I personally wish these were longer but I’ll still watch nonetheless

Early for the Morningstar. That is one difficult to learn and very intimidating weapon, i think we got to see enough to really demonstrate those properties.

I did mention an idea of building and testing the practicality of Fulgore’s armor, helmet (as a possible medieval helmet), and his quad blades from the 1994 arcade fighting game: *Killer Instinct* Which as of this year will be celebrating its 30th anniversary.

You need to gradually decrease the weight of the links in order for the whip to whip. Just like a normal whip, it's tapered and the weight of the segments is gradually decreasing, then you have to add a LIGHTER tip, if it's heavier like in this case it really won't work like a whip. The tip must be significantly lighter than the rest of segments. I would use steel cable and taper that down, maybe start with a chain base.

I think others pointed out that whips taper, and that the force moving down into a narrow space as it travels changes the energy into speed (Law of Conservation of Energy), so reducing the size of the links progressively would do that, but others have also pointed out that a thin chain at the end will have a lot of speed (theoretically enough to break the sound barrier) and that might put a lot of stress on the weight at the end when that energy goes from the chain to the weight. I think you could also try testing with a hinged chain instead of a linked chain, like a bike chain would be. Obviously would take a lot of work, finding thicker ones and linking them to shorter bike chains, but that would also allow you to keep the chain's hinge angle parallel to the ground while swinging, rather than gravity totally pulling it down. You could try having a swivel or ball joint at the handle to keep from having to twist it when you spin it around your head.

I’m so happy this Channel exists!

One thing that make this a little better is rember how fast Vamps are in that world. By it swing around like that it would make it hard for the Vamp to bliz you from the side as the whole area around you is threatend where a sword only threatens about 180 degrees in front.

As a anime and manga enthusiast.. I was wondering if you've read vinland saga? Would you be able to tests Hilds original crossbow compared to a historical one and see how it compares, reload time, power, accuracy when shooting at speed (Releasing idk if you use bow terminology...) but amazing video as always

At the 7:31 mark, you can see that winding it back with the head stretched out in front of you first is not chambering the head enough to give it enough force to launch forward. In whip, to chamber for a Side Arm Flick, start with the whip outstretched all the way behind you, this will give enough pulling force to launch it forward, using a throwing motion like throwing an axe horizontally. That's the best way I can think of to describe how to properly throw a whip using the side arm flick. I'll make a video on it when the weather clears, but there are plenty of videos already out there, especially by Adam Winrich who's a 36+ times Guinness record holder and host of the Los Angeles Whip Convention (which I won silver in Obstacle Course January 2024). Look up "side arm flick", its a very different technique from the cattleman's crack (the one you use earlier in the video). A little bit of whip terminology: we call it "throwing" the whip, not simply getting it to crack. This is how you target train with a whip.

Amazing work, thank you so much for another great video!

Watching the video, it looks like the cartoon version was essentially a regular whip drawn as a chain. It didn't act at all like a chain in motion.

I dont think its much of anything that needs to be "Tested" but some time ago I made a "Reaver" from the Soul reaver games. It was only a prop but right off the bat I could tell that because of its serpentine blade shape it actually functioned more like an axe than a sword since it was 100% chop and no cut.

Thanks for another entertaining episode. Musical greetings from Belgium, Gunther (singer and lyrics writer of Gabriel Scar)

The physics of that thing changed back and forth in the show. Sometimes, it acted like a whip. Sometimes, it acted like a rope dart.

The camera behind the target is a dope angle for footage :3 Also, going from the tests, it's almost like it's best used like a grappling hook. (Which I think Belmonte also does in the show. Swing the chain for momentum and launch the star)

the thing about cartoons, they dont really need to abide by the physics of reality. youve made something more akin to a meteor hammer than a whip. pretty much knew the results from the get-go but it was interesting to watch regardless. subbed

@Tyranth It doesn't work like a whip because it has no taper. I think you need to make it out of sections of progressively smaller chain. That way you would have a bit of taper so that you can load the end with enough energy to get it moving from that far away. Start out with some really heavy links (from something like 15mm dia stock) for about 20cm. Then a longer piece of slightly smaller chain etc. till you get to the size you used for this build. You could also stiffen the parts closer to your hand by covering the chain with heat shrink tubing. This was a fun video! I'd like to see you try to make a tapered one because I think it would work much better. It would be a lot easier to use even though it would be heavier.

Cool video brother! By the way, I'm sorry that you had yo sit through Dung #2, and then endure Shad going full normie by praising it.

Liking the new show very much, Tyranth. A few months ago during a live stream, I made a suggestion about Cane Swords. Super-chat limits on text length meant I didn't get my point across clearly. And then you all went on a tangent of legalities of having a Cane Sword and if you could make a legal, fake version. Does this ring a bell? Anyway, what I really was hoping you'd explore was techniques for a thin sword plus the cane as off-hand weapon. Like, do you want to reverse-grip or mid-grip the cane part? This isn't limited to Cane Swords. Scabbard as parrying weapons pops up in Kung Fu and Samurai movies as well. Just putting the suggestion out there. Cheers!

The claw at the end makes it like a Morningstar.

Mike Shake, actually just a couple of days ago, released a video with an actual tapering chain whip that breaks the sound barrier. That one was again probably on the way too long and heavy side, so it's super tiring, but it worked well. Since I don't normally watch the guy, RU-vid either has premonition, or saw this video and recommended Mike Shake's before I got to this. W recommendation either way.

I just love this channel and it makes me so happy when I see a new video and I can’t wait to see what’s next

Well now we know... Tyranth is a professional with whips and chains.

What I learned from this is Tyranth both likes and is very skilled with a leather whip.

Some real Star Wars Kid energy in this video.

Shame as you looked pretty competent with it choked up! Maybe you should think of it and use it more like Ghost Rider's 'Fire Chain' but without the fire or demonic magic...

Agree with the other comments. Needs to be tapered with smaller chain. The momentum from the thicker chain travels to the smaller chain causing it to move faster. P = mv. As the mass (m) decreases, the velocity (v) increases, creating more momentum (p).

1. Nice vid. More please. 2. I think in wushu there is a weapon called 9 pieces chain whip or something like it. About 1 meter in lenght, only 9 movable objects, short handle, spiky thing at the end. Its used in more circular motions. Do a compare please. Or, knowing you like loaded weapoons, the predator wristblades. 3. I like this stuff. Keep it up.

Chains and whips and context, oh my!

might be a reason why Trevor tends to use it more like a flail xD

Growing up with this weapon I really wish I could teach you guys how to work the weapon, as well as dual wielding whips/chain whips/kunai and chains. Its all about getting that feel like its an extension of your arm and can feel the shift of weight you need to beat your target with. As for distance you want to calculate how much you wrap around you or your secondary weapon to sort of reel it in and make it easier to beat the target even closer than they are to compensate for their distance they're trying to gain on you.

Some issues with trying to use a chain as a whip... 1) As you mentioned...weight. They're generally just considerably heavier than the braided or twisted leather that most whips are made of. That really isn't helpful at all, even in the sense of having more mass to deliver more force. Whips tend to rely less on their mass to cause harm...and more on the velocity of the tip. Meaning that...right out of the gate, no matter how you design a chain whip...it's going to operate fundamentally differently than a normal whip. 2) The chain isn't contiguous like the leather bands of a whip. The strips of leather often run a good portion of the length of the whip, and are bound together in a way that makes their function more like that of just one long piece of leather, rather than many shorter pieces. A chain, by contrast, is a bunch of completely individual links, which entirely changes how force is distributed up and down the chain. Since the links can become completely slack, it means that they basically "bounce" off of each other, which is that "shock" you wind up feeling through your hand. 3) To even vaguely function like a whip, the object at the end needs to be very light in comparison to the chain itself. I know that it doesn't seem like it in Castlevania, but the head of Belmont's Morningstar is actually quite small, probably a fair bit smaller than what you're using. Three or four quite thin steel plates, notched so that they can be seated together in a star-like configuration. No plate should be more than 3 or maybe 4 inches in diameter (and spiked, for his pleasure). 4) It's really not meant to be used against armored targets. This weapon is specifically a vampire-hunting weapon. It's blessed, it's silvered, and its got some other odd fantasy shit to it. And...Belmont was trained to do this shit pretty much his whole life. It's not really a flaming weapon...but it causes vampires to burst into flame on contact. It sometimes stays on fire as a result of their burning bits sticking to it, I'd imagine. So, no, it's probably never going to be a practical real-world weapon. - Personally, I think a thinner, lighter chain, maybe even made of aluminum (because the chain itself shouldn't really be taking a lot of hits, and aluminum is still usually tougher than flesh. If the links are thin enough, it might be possible to double-link two chains in parallel at an offset, to make it only slightly stiffer and to more evenly distribute the force through its length without shocking your hand. Also, doubling up on that along the length of the half closest to your grip, would give it that balance of stiffness and flexibility in the fatter portion of a normal whip, that a chain whip innately lacks. Making it aluminum as suggested would probably keep the weight of such a weapon about equal to a steel single chain...but with considerably improved performance. The last foot or so of length before the head, could be single-chain, to emulate the typical single leather strap at the end of a whip. I don't know if it would really matter, or if it would be worth it anyway even if it did improve things. But it is something to make note of, I think.

I’ve fiddled around with whip-like-objects, and I’ve found that if you want to put a force multiplier on the end, it can’t be very big if you want it to still be whip-like. Caveats: I have no fighting experience, period. Also, I’ve never held a real whip.

If you aren't planning one scrapping it, then i would suggest giving it a longer handle. Like, a really long handle. Sure it then stops being the whip but at least it's more usable and probably fun to use now.

Me during far too much of this video "Should i clip that?"

Nice video, I believe you could have made the steel chains taper down like a whip and maybe it would have been better.

Works fine enough as a meteor hammer. To get a whip effect, it needs to taper. Smaller links as you go. Im not sure that can be done with the weight on the end.

Maybe wrap the chain with leather or flexible material would make it work like a whip

Cool music during testing.

I feel like you need a shovel for many times you dug yourself a "I should not have said that" hole.

the chains closer to the handle need to be bigger then progressively get smaller/lighter. like a real whip.

Chain whip issue is that each link has the same diameter, weight, and will thus have the same potential momentum. If you want to build a chain whip that will act like a whip then you need to taper from a thicker heavier whip at the handle, to a lighter smaller whip at the tip. Kyle hill did a video making and discussing a chain whip if you want to use that as a reference for what I am talking about. This video is the equivalent of saying a rope is not a whip, which is obvious. No one would try to use a rope as a whip. But there are characteristics in a whip that make it act like a whip.

There are guys who do tricks with (very heavy) tapering chains. And I've seen a youtuber who tried to scale it down to a metal whip (tapering from chain to a thin piece of wire) It was hell on the shoulder but it would crack like a real whip and with enough force to crack a test dummy skull

I guess I always assumed this weapon would be made of silver (undead monsters). Since silver isn't ideal for blades, a chain would be a pretty effective delivery method. If that's the case it doesn't need to act like a whip or a flail. The chain itself is the weapon, more like a Japanese kusarigami. Silver is denser than steel, as well. Cheers!

I think the issue here is that the momentum that is put into the chain is mitigated by the disproportional amount of mass that exists as you move down the length of it. Whips work because they taper as they come to a point, meaning there is less and less mass as you move down its length. The chain had consistent mass throughout it's entire construction and even had additional mass placed on the end. Since the mass was consistent through the entire build, the force that you imparted onto it when you flicked it was dispersed too quickly and was unable to propagate down the entire length of the chain. If you where to ever attempt to revisit this weapon, I'd suggest a chain that starts with large, heavy links that gradually taper off into smaller and lighter links as it gets to the end.

This reminds me of Kratos’ chain blade things. It would be sweet if you did those but they would probably be extremely dangerous. Maybe you could try his axe? You’d probably need magic for that one though.

If you want to get more "whipping action" in the swing make it with a longer handle. I get this won't be game accurate but much like a trebuchet it will launch the head far easier than a short handle does.

There is this video about chainwhips that have that actual sonic boom snap but the chainschackles start wit lik fist size and end in the size of your whip tyranth. But they aren't used like regular whips they sort of slither over the floor like a snake and simply remove your entire foot/leg with the snap

You're going to need to make each chain link progressively smaller so you can taper it and take advantage of the law of conservation of energy

as a weeab you should be familiar with the kurasagi chain and how prominent and effective it was in japan also do a quick research on meteor hammer flexible weapons are neither that dangerous to the user nor that difficult to master especially the asian versions

Flexible weapons are the hardest and typically the last weapons martial schools teach. The weapon is most like a chain whip/whipping chain from Chinese martial schools.

most real world parallel to the chain whip is a long flexible sword called an urumi or Indian whip sword that's infamous for being incredibly dangerous and hard to learn and to handle

Luthiens big arm mounted side opening switchblade knife. From that movie with the vampires and werewolves. No ,not that one, ...Underworld !

I feel like it would just be better used as a rope-dart or monkeys fist type weapon instead of trying to Crack it like a whip

Why do you think the chain didn't work like a whip? If it was the weight, then perhaps a lighter material would help. Maybe you could try a plastic chain to simulate a fantasy magic light metal. Maybe the problem is the way the chain is articulated. The links slide down and then back most likely losing force. It's hard to describe what I'm talking about. But if you take your hands and make two interlocking rings then push and pull your hands together, that is the type of movement that may be stealing "whip" like energy. Maybe some wire or something can be used to keep chain links from sliding about as much. Or a different type of chain where the links can only spin instead of slide back and forth. Interesting video.

Chronicle of Riddick knives . The two curved ones...jumping stabs, climbing with the knives, etc ?

A chain whip is possible. If you have superhuman strength. Easy for a vampire or demon, hard for a mortal. It's like a solid steel quarter staff in that regard.

Ever since the NES games, I found myself asking, "Why would you replace a magic whip with a lamer flail?" Always thought Vampire Killer was way cooler than a ball and chain. Results were pretty much how I expected. 😅

If you think this thing is dangerous with the inverted grappling hook to look like the kooky tip of the whip from the show...the original Castlevania game version of the Morningstar is a spiked mace head...ya know the kind. Iron ball with lots of spikes all over it...that was the original game version of the weapon at max power. I will give the show credit, in the original games (before Symphony of the Night and the MetroidVania gameplay took hold) you start with a leather whip, you get the first power-up and it turns into a short chain whip with a metal ball on the end, then you get another power-up and it would turn into a longer chain whip with a spiked ball on the end...you could in some games get another power-up that would let you shoot fire from the tip. Netflix for the original Castlevania anime started Trevor with a leather whip...which he is damn dangerous with on it's own...but they had him find the Morning Star whip which could make magic fire and he would use in tandem with his leather whip...he could put both of them together to make a huge flame whip thing too which slots in nicely with sometimes the whip wouldn't just shoot fire but the last power-up would make it a flaming whip...either made entirely of flames of the chain whip was set alight.

The Morningstar should be seen as a meteor hammer, not a whip. Trevor uses some moves designed for that weapon in the show if i remember correctly (though he uses more whip techniques with it in general).

A good one to see how effective would be in real life are those HUGE throwing stars from Naruto, those where the handle is as big as their hands and it can close into a "flat" blade

Try a magual. Actually renaissance riot control weapon that is actually an effective foot fighter flail that isn’t polearm length. Basically zwiehander length with half being a bar another half being three sets of chains with three leads weights on the end. You hold your arms out and spin and it gets so much momentum’s that a swordman can’t safely block it. It is theorized as a weapon to break up duelers.

I wonder if using steel cable, instead of chain, would make it more functional? The cable should give it a bit more rigidity, if nothing else. It would also probably make it less likely to come back and hit the hand as much.

You should try out some ballistic gelatin for testing. It's fairly cheap, and could show some interesting results.

Kyle Hill and Mike Shake both made steel chain whips that were decent, check their ones out

You should have made one that started with a big chain and then got smaller as it went down and then not put a head on it, just steel cable so that it gets skinny all the way down like a whip

Definitely think it could work with some tweaks. Tl:Dr= whiplike and maybe magnesium tip? Please hear me out i know this is long... Maybe make it more whip like thicker and slightly more rigid at the hilt (i know the comments are saying that) i also think maybe having the base be as heavy as the flail tip. The show does kinda go back and forth on him using it like a whip and a rope dart though. Also im not really sure how heavy the flail tip really is maybe something lighter? Not sure how possible thatd be. But i guess we come across the "welp... It is magic... Maybe its magic metal too" 🙄. Not saying get sterling silver but i think its lighter than steel. But i also know magnesium and mayyybe titanium are... Magnesium would kinda help with the "fire" aspect of it though.

Usopp slingshot from One Piece would be awesome to see ❤

Great vid. I could tell you went into this one knowing the outcome, but good on you for giving it a go anyway. I'd love to see you do a "body armour from junk" take to protect yourself just in case something horrible happens but you live in a country where body armour isn't something you can actually buy. Cheers!

You have impressive control over that LOTR maimer! 🤣 Look into the South African sjambok for a controllable blunt whip that will still cut to the bone. Used to be police issue; I hope they've switched to Tasers. The blunt, light plastic 2 metre/yard one I have will break wooden fence slats.

Im fairly certain you just reinvented a "meteor hammer", the big brother of the rope dart.

maybe shorten the chain... also I wonder if there's some way to have a chain that gradually tapers down in rigidity (like a bullwhip) rather than just being slack right at the handle.

For the rigidity, I almost wonder if a metal chord would work better than chain.

Could you try building Gimli’s axe? I don’t know if anyone else has done that but I’d love to see how effective it is.

Krull. It was like a big throwing star.

Now I just want see a recreation os Scorpion's kunai and chain spear thingy 😅

I wonder how the threaded cane would perform in whip form. Its my favorite weapon to use in Bloodborne

While a lot of people talk about strange weapons like The Hook Swords, they seam like they could be very deadly and do a lot of damage. On the other hand The War Scythe appears to be a failed spear. It was a farming tool turned into a weapon, and from what I can tell, it was only used in desperation. I mean, a pole arm sure, but a single sided spear... really. Just sharpen both ends and it would be a far better weapon. It's almost like sticking a reverse bladed saber on a long stick. Horrible Idea.

i have a theory to make a chain wip more whip like seen a video where a guy used a chain at the start, large steel cable at the middle, and smaleer cables towards the end, so i wonder... what if the chains where larger at the start but get smaller towards the tip so it would similar to how a whip work

Saw Cleaver trick weapon next please!? Your hatred of articulated weapons will meet it's match 😂

Invite Jackie Chan, he can do that rope dart technique. He did it with a rope and a horse shoe at the end in one of the Shanghai movies 😊

Can you build shredder's retractable blade gauntlets (the 2012 animated style) i know they're similar to wolverines claws but im curious how arm mounted would differ from hand gripped, also since the blades have more separation they should provide less resistance in sharing impact force dospersal

May have failed at being a whip but shorten the chain put a scythe like blade on the wooden handle and you've got a decent kusarigama

I wonder if the chain had been made from something like Titanium or a lighter material it might have been easier to move around. Still I'm surprised you didn't have any form of gloves on for this weapon tessting

You need to taper the chain. The links are the same size. Also, the thing on the end is messing it up.

Is it just me or when tyranth was swinging the chain about it was acting more like a kuni than a whip