Working With Canvas And Glue, AKA "Poor-Man's Fiberglass."

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In this video I'll share what I've learned first-hand working with canvas and glue (AKA - Poor man's fiberglass) over 2-inch foam as I built my custom micro camper. #PMF #Poormansfiberglass #Canvasandglue
I'll explain the challenges that I experienced and why I ultimately decided to shift gears and skin my walls with plywood instead. I'll show you close ups of the test project that I built using foam covered with canvas and glue (PMF) that lead me to make that decision.
I'll also show you the finished plywood walls, trim and roof of my micro camper up close. I will wrap the video up with my thoughts and opinion about using canvas and glue (PMF) on future projects...
SPOILER ALERT: In this video I will explain why I think the "poor-man's fiberglass/ Foamy community" needs to step forward and start showing the fit and finish of their projects up close so that viewers can see clearly what the end products looks like. PMF and foam is a solid choice and building technique for many people and projects. Step forward, be proud and show the community up close how your project turned out.
PLEASE NOTE: I've deleted a number of "foamy Purists" nasty comments on several of my videos. There is no need for people to be rude, judgmental and to attack the choices that I or anyone else makes on what products we use or how we choose to build a camping trailer. RU-vid is a platform that allows us to share our experiences, help others and collaborate as a community.
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@ceddew3185 6 месяцев назад

I am doing PMF for an off road camper with a clam shell tent sided top. I did not use painters cloth, I used 7 oz canvas purchased online. I didn't have to deal with seams, washing, ironing. etc. I just put down the glue and applied the cloth. The cost was about $4.00 a yard. 60 inches wide. The material had no lumps, laid down easily and it was easy to make it smooth.

@rideitlikeyoustoleit7640 2 месяца назад

I've wondered if all that washing and ironing was really needed. I would love to see your trailer when it's ready!

@andylangeland496 4 месяца назад

This is the most legit video showing the pros and cons - THANK YOU!!

@nosac1230 8 месяцев назад

Even after 2 years, this is still a very relevant video. Thanks, it was very informative and I learned a lot.

@matthewbrown3130 3 года назад

So glad to hear someone acknowledge "Man Hours" (labor) when it comes to these projects. I always remind people to "Never assume your time is worth nothing" when tackling DIY projects.

@michaelpaulpadillamdacgrou7904 3 года назад

Labor of love? When engaging in these projects, hopefully there is enjoyment involved!

@garethwatson7999 2 года назад

Very true, it’s amazing how much extra time is taken up with the bits you don’t expect. A project like this seems all good and then you start it and it dawns on you that maybe some of this could be a two person job?

@davidfuller764 Год назад

Good for me to remember. Thanks!

@Sonex1542 Год назад

Your time is worth nothing, that's why we export work to China. Be happy to get a bowl of rice for a day's work bro.

@dennisyoung4631 2 месяца назад

“…and, if you have matters that cause you to be short of useful and productive hours, you need to put a high(er) price on your time.”

@clarkgriswold2480 3 года назад

Tons of super helpful information. Thank you for sharing your experiences.

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal 3 года назад

Thanks for watching!

@jenwallace1766 3 года назад

Thank you for your honesty about this subject and I can see your points about it !

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal 3 года назад

Thanks for watching...

@johnnewsom4316 10 месяцев назад

Great video Todd. Thanks for sharing

@mbarr1029 2 года назад

Great information, Thank you.

@jdwilsun Год назад

Your build is excellent! I had great results with sheer polyester fabric & urethane on the bottom of a tiny plywood fish boat. It was very durable. Also; lighter, stronger, rot proof, uses less paint, smaller joint ridges. Joint ridges can be tapered with cabosil or other filler.

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal Год назад

Great input, thanks.

@bethtucker1810 10 месяцев назад

I love the honesty

@davidlang4442 3 года назад

Use UGL basement wall paint. Great stuff for filling coarse surfaces like concrete walls or your canvas weave, sands smooth after drying. Builds up a thick coat fast. The paint also is great at water proofing as that is its intended purpose. Comes in coarse or super smooth texture. UGL even now has a clear version. The paint is designed to withstand up to ten pounds of direct water pressure against it per square inch. Used to waterproof basement walls. Seems to be ideal for waterproofing something like a camper exterior.

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal 3 года назад

Thanks for the input. I will definitely check that out for future projects.

@danemmerich6775 Год назад

Has anyone thought of or used RedGuard, which is used in Shower wall preparation to WATERPROOF! That would be an interesting thing to consider?

@johnnicolini2562 3 года назад

I’ve been a carpenter for 40 years you’re little camper looks excellent great job I’m in the middle of doing a slide in camper the same way for my pick up truck and just getting some tips from you on how to do the poor man’s fiberglass thanks a lot for your video

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal 3 года назад

Thanks for the kind words, and good luck on your project.

@jk8959 3 года назад

Great help. thank you. I try to build truck camper myself. My cooler style camper wall is 4" EPS form so I need good mechanical ventilator without camper temperature lose because I am not putting window.

@CynicalDad81 2 года назад

Thank you for all of this honest detail!

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal 2 года назад

You are so welcome!

@OddBallPerformance 3 года назад

I just want you to know that I really appreciate your video and saying the things you did. I have been looking to try and build my own budget DIY Camper and I have been eyeballing the "foamie" approach for the light weight aspect of it. You are correct about there not being very many people giving realistic reviews of these different applications. I have been torn between finishing the outside with real fiberglass (because it's not THAT expensive, and far superior for several reasons) or doing what I call a "Fromie" which is a light weight stick frame-foamie hybrid clad with a thinner wood skin. You earned my respect, and my subscription as well.

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal 3 года назад

Thanks for the kind words and support. Good luck on your project...

@kenjohnson5498 2 года назад

The video's iv'e seen is they lay the tarp let it dry then they used bondo for dent repair before painting.. This is a much stronger build and i am glad i binge watched the whole series. It changed my mind about poor mans fiberglass.

@RichAnderson114 2 года назад

I have an idea on the seams... Don't hide them. Accentuate them. Leave a two inch seam as you did and paint it a different color then the wall. For example white wall, but red seam (obviously colors depend on your taste). You can even use a template to add nice designs on the seam.

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal 2 года назад

Thanks for watching and sharing your ideas...

@judyrobertson5564 6 месяцев назад

Great video thank you so much for sharing. I had no idea because nobody else is ever gone into this much detail. I think you again anyways God bless you and yours and again it was a very good video very informative.

@yoelroque3950 2 года назад

Thank u for ur great ideas u are very knowledgeable & I will be using it on my first new truck camper 👍

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal 2 года назад

Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching...

@CustomJeep Год назад

Thanks for this video. Lot of good information about poor mans fiberglass.

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal Год назад

Thanks for watching...

@danhoffman9232 2 года назад

Thanks for your information. The idea of geting an old tent trailer for the trailer was a gem.

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal 2 года назад

Thanks for watching, good luck on your project!

@jerryngobese3216 2 года назад

I like that "I'm not a true Foamy" its looks good from where I am it looks way better than what's on our market. As you said we are learning those criticising, just ignore they're not changing anything.... Your mistakes help us not to fall... the project so far looks the part I give it a 10/10 well done Todd

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal 2 года назад

Thanks

@Blackhorseveteran 3 года назад

Great video...you gave me some good ideas/alternatives, to my previous ideas/plans.

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal 3 года назад

Glad to hear it... Good luck on your project.

@mileakin2689 3 года назад

Thanks for all that information it’s been helpful

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal 3 года назад

Thanks for watching...

@williamknight7040 Год назад

Great info! Thanks for sharing.

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal Год назад

Thanks for watching and commenting, best wishes...

@paulisaacwalker5023 4 месяца назад

Good stuff brother.Well done my bro..I love it.

@cliffordrandell735 2 года назад

The paint scheme is cool :) Great work and GREAT video. No annoying music. Great presentation style. Thanks for taking the time to do this.

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal 2 года назад

Thanks for watching and commenting...

@one2869 3 года назад

Very good information! I think everyone starts their build with a picture in their minds of how "perfect" it will be! At some point working with PMF they come to the realization that if you want it perfect, you are going to work your butt off. On the flip side, they sometimes settle for "good enough." You did an excellent job showing some of the real problems a person might face while building a "Foamy" or even a hybrid type. You knew what you wanted and did what worked best for you and it looks great. Still very lightweight even with the few pounds of wood added. I was very fortunate in my "Foamy" build. I work for a styrofoam factory that specializes in structural foam. My camper is smaller than yours and a basic square-ish teardrop style. The design is simple and mainly for my wife and I to take with us on our overland adventures but still turns quite a few heads at the campground. Because of where I work, I was able to build my with 3 pieces of foam that were cut exactly to specs of my build. 2 walls for the sides. And one piece that becomes the roof and front and back of the camper. That made it extremely easy to use the PMF method and since, by design, the large one piece overhangs the sides 1 inch so I could tuck lighting up in there and also make it seamless so to speak. For the paint I used a basement paint. Offhand I can't remember which but 3 coats of it and it looks great! This year is our 3rd year with it and we love it just as much now as the day we dreamed it up and put it on paper! Again, your build is awesome! And in your shoes I would have done the same thing! You saw a problem and found an awesome way to solve it! And then you went above and beyond and shared your experience with others. I sometimes think that those with the negative comments are most likely the ones that are jealous that they didn't or can't build their own camper. Sorry this was long but just wanted to share my thoughts on a great video and also maybe someone will read this and spend some money at a place like where I work for a design that works for them. After all, it's still cheaper than lumber right now!

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal 3 года назад

Thanks for the kind words. Your camper sounds awesome. Send me a pic or two I'd love to see it. Thanks again...

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal Год назад

Thanks for watching and for the comment and kind words. Your project sounds awesome. Best wishes...

@mikeandsuzannegeorgiamount6036 2 года назад

Great video, providing important, educational information.

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal 2 года назад

Thanks for watching...

@bigtexnick2188 3 года назад

great vid. im about to pmf my custom truck camper. thanks for the info

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal 3 года назад

Good luck!

@mlangfordcamper 3 года назад

I just started trying PMF but I did real fiberglass on my teardrop camper build, so far the PMF takes me more time and over the foam I used to make a boat I see how it will be easy to patch on the spot.

@keithburgoyne3366 2 года назад

You just got yourself a new subscriber sir! Thank you!

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal 2 года назад

Thanks for watching and subscribing...

@danweiss4928 3 года назад

I’ve been watching videos for quite some time now getting ready to start my project and I appreciate your honesty. Because I am extremely fussy and I’m not gonna be happy with ugly seams in the side of my camper. So I basically going to do a DIY - SIP Panel construction on mine! Love your camper!! Thanks

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal 3 года назад

Thanks for your feedback and good luck on your project...

@billkingsbury4667 3 года назад

I'm kind of fussy myself so what I'm doing is using the seam overlap as a paint line. In other words, I've overlapping around a corner 1 inch and then painting that 1" a border color. That way, I can use the PMF and still hide the seam. Is it going to be perfect, no, but if anyone says anything, I'll ask them where their homemade camper is located. :) Best of luck!

@OffGridColoradoLiving Год назад

This is a great video. The PMF process reminds me of "Dope and Fabric" aircraft skins and flight control covering. I went for supplies today and will get started on a new insulated winter enclosure for our chicken run.

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal Год назад

Thanks for watching and commenting...

@danbuffington75 3 года назад

You did a good job explaining the realities of pmf. Thanks a lot! For filling in holes in wood, an old trick I was taught, was to use wood glue along with sawdust from what I was working on. It makes a sort of paste. I'm sure something along that line of thinking could be used to fill in some of the imperfections. Also, KILZ is a good primer that covers up imperfections pretty well.

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal 3 года назад

Thanks for the input

@stansova3138 3 года назад

Yep another one is the Gripper primer, it also glues foam together the best.

@tmb9126 3 года назад

shearing scissors prevent fraying and tightbond 3 is waterproof, but I think tightbond 2 is just water resistant. Thank you for all your videos. They have been so informative and helpful!

@JohnSmith-xx1lx 2 года назад

Where do you get tight bond 3?

@JohnSmith-xx1lx 2 года назад

Let me ask you this, does adding the plywood help enforcement for bolts installation? I've never done poor Man's glue and foam before but I did get hung up when it comes to installing bolts I felt they may crush the foam and poor man's fire real ass alone. What's your thoughts on this?

@shadowofthestarsdespair Год назад

Both a resistant polyurethane glue will never be 100 percent water proof because at the molecular level thiers are gaps but it takes alot of soaking and pressure to happen so for build a frunituer it's just fine to use 2 and 3 is more for wooden boats

@gregorymann3431 3 года назад

You did it well laminating

@joydavis9264 11 месяцев назад

I haven't researched these things very extensively at all, but I found a person who has built several poor-man's fiberglass (PMF) campers and it "SOUNDS" pretty simple. Yes, you want to wash and dry and iron the canvas before you use it and make sure you straighten it when applying without pulling too much so that it doesn't stretch out - just iron down gently. But anyway, put a layer of the Titebond II glue thick enough to adhere that side well but not super thick because you DON'T want the glue to soak all the way into the canvas, but just enough glue to hold it good so the waterproofing is from the exterior paint. You want the canvas to still have enough ability to soak up the paint on the other side. Then you put 1 layer of canvas, making sure it's ironed down smoothly, and yes you want to overlap and glue down all edges good as well (Also remember if you're wanting to cover the whole thing, you kind of have to work from the bottom up because you want your upper layers of canvas to OVERlap the lower layers so of course any water keeps rolling down over the PMF instead of coming to an upward-facing seam it could leak into if it started to wear.). Then you just do a 1st layer of 50:50 exterior paint and water and let it dry completely, and just like you explained having to sand down each layer of paint to hide the wood grain, you sand this down, and then do a 2nd layer of 75% paint/25% water and let that dry completely, sand that down again (yes, lots and lots of sanding IS the key to get a nice finish -- you just have to accept that as necessary work), then the 3rd layer is full paint and let that dry completely. That's the waterproofing. Now if you want to do your final full paint for the design you want on the outside, you might want to sand the 3rd layer of full paint waterproofing again so you have the final smooth exterior ready to just to make pretty and possibly a glossy finish. I don't think making the canvas look good is any different than making the wood grain disappear. Sanding and layers is the key.

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal 11 месяцев назад

Thanks for the comment. Best of luck on your build...

@christiansaravia7865 2 месяца назад

I’m going to be making a bike camper soon for me and my dogs so this was really helpful because I’ve decided PMF would be easiest for me. Thanks for sharing your experiences with PMF!

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal 2 месяца назад

Glad it was helpful! Best of luck on your build...

@PeterJames143 2 года назад

thanks that's interesting.

@TinyGoHomes Год назад

I’m building with 1/4 ply, 2.5 inch foam board, 2x3 wood, elastomeric caulking, spray foam, carpenters glue, exterior paint and two part clear coating. I’m doing almost the same thing. My experience told me this would be the best route. Cost efficient, not to hard to do, very strong and last long.

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal Год назад

I agree with you. Check out my build videos, you may pick up a tip or two. Best of luck and thanks for watching...

@gvallen26 3 года назад

I recommend using the canvas over the top of the exterior plywood. The canvas will stop plywood from drying, shrinking and ruining the project. The sailing ships use their old canvas sails and paint to protect their hatch covers.

@judarit-2032 8 месяцев назад

Nice work on your camper! Thanks for the tips. I am planning to strip down a pop-up camper and convert it to hard body also. I don't care for the bumpy surface of roller painted flat wood surfaces, and I especially like metal edge trim. Keep of the good work on your projects.

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal 8 месяцев назад

Good luck on your project...

@ge2719 2 месяца назад

10:00 you can use scissors called "pinking sheers". they cut a zig zag edge on fabric so it doesnt fray.

@susanbailey36 3 года назад

I'm thinking about using PMF for building pontoons for a raft . While I want them to look good my first priority is weight and strength. Thank you for doing this critique. It was very informative. You're right to consider the esthetics of any technique before you start the build. PMF worked great for your water softener cover and your camper looks outstanding. Would like to see the interior.

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal 3 года назад

Thanks for the comments, the entire build and finished tour inside and out is available on my channel in a play list... good luck on your project.

@Jesse-fz8pu 2 года назад

Looks awesome 👌 Screw the foamy Love it.

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal 2 года назад

Thanks 👍

@kathietill6528 Год назад

THANK YOU! My husband and I have built four houses. The last two used SIPs panels. My husband is in a nursing home and I have been trying to get enough information so that I can built a camper. Your video was perfect. I was thinking that the seams could be part of the design by hiding them under trim. I live in a very high wind area. I think I am more comfortable using plywood, studs and foam but a fiberglass roof with the fabric coming down on the sides seems to be the way to go. M

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal Год назад

I'm glad that you found value in the video. Thanks for watching and best of luck on your build...

@jeffbohnert9654 3 года назад

Thank-you so much for this video! I like your honesty, and how the project evolved as you went. Solid information here. I'm in the planning stage of a slide-in for my truck (gen 1 Honda Ridgeline).

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal 3 года назад

Thanks for watching... good luck on your project.

@darrelqify 6 месяцев назад

Styrofoam Glue and tarp Bondo ( full imperfections) Primer Paint In that order!

@lynngill1588 4 месяца назад

thanks for the video ! I'm totally of a opposite opion about where to leave the ridge seems. it seems to me that with the roof seems you would have a situation that would be enough to hold water even it were ever so little. But over time even a little standing water can't be a good thing . I would rather have no seem by using enough fabric to first wrap around the entire unit folding a good bit under the bottom , then bring another layer or layers down over the entire unit again rapping these layers under where you can either create a definite drip edge by rolling them over & tacking them down with the addition of a rapped firing strip or pvc pipe to make a very defined drip line off the under side where you want it . This lay out would hide all seems to give you that clean look you seem to be going for. Thanks again as I am about to do my 1rst of a few trailers I have planned to use this PMF on. You gave me good information And I thank you!

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal 4 месяца назад

Interesting idea. Good luck on your build. Let me know how this approach turns out.

@philliprude5997 7 месяцев назад

Great video, copl tips. Fabricrete might work well for something like this, kinda like they do with the flower pots, I wonder if it would bond to the foam, its supposed to be pretty durable stuff.

@williambranham6249 2 года назад

Foamie? or Foamy? Now that's funny.. I have never done one of these projects but it looks interesting and helpful.Thanks.

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal 2 года назад

Thanks for watching...

@Butternose 8 месяцев назад

Seems like a high build primer would get you a more refined texture. It might be possible to run a 45 degree channel in at the corner with a rail saw or router. Then you could tuck the edges of the fabric back in on themselves.

@oscrfsh 3 года назад

I think a good way to hide the seems up top is to use some angled aluminum and use that sealant they use around all the roof vents. That would hold the aluminum and and hide the seem from the roof that goes over the side. Or u could liquid nail the trim on as well. I think

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal 3 года назад

Good suggestions... Thanks for your input

@raybrensike42 3 года назад

Henry's has a product which was a roof coating that had the consistency of latex paint, but it was a roof product. I used that over Fir AC Plywood on a pickup box I built to make the truck into something like a box van. That Henry's was an amazing product. Think of it as a true waterproof paint. I don't remember the specific name of the product.

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal 3 года назад

Sounds like some good stuff, I'll have to look into that. Thanks...

@cathrynmartin4395 Год назад

Sewers will suggest for fraying fabric, get a bottle of fray-check! It works to keep the fraying on fabric to a minimum. Just a small amount around the cut edge of fabric and fraying dealt with!

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal Год назад

Great tip, thanks for the input.

@timberg7377 3 года назад

My friend sanded his project, between Coates, his turned-out like glass, you could still see the seams, but, you really had to look.

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal 3 года назад

That encouraging to hear...thanks for watching

@VdubSPAZ 4 месяца назад

Since I know how to work with the Durabond brand I know that there is a level one two and three level one and two are not waterproof level two is water resistant level three is waterproof Now if that makes a difference on the long run I don't know but even with fiberglass you use a gel coating just to smooth it out

@Go-zi1py 3 года назад

Hi, I know a little bit about material and canvas may be the traditional base for poor man's fiberglass but there are much better options now. I think flat silk or satin weave microfiber cloth would be stronger and incredibly smoother. The cheapest and widest width retail available microfiber would be flat California king top sheets. You could buy microfiber off the roll from any fabric store (online you could find more options) but the widest they would have is 60 inches by any length up to about 36 feet. (Although you might get lucky and find a remnant store that sells remnants from the textile industry and those would be wider.) The next best option would be 100% cotton quilt backing which would be smoother by far than canvas but perhaps not as strong (although probably still strong enough) and it comes in a max of 120 inches by any desired length up to 36 feet. You are going to be amazed at how much finer and smoother the texture of both of these options.

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal 3 года назад

Good information. Thanks for the input...

@chrisridethatbloodything2044 5 месяцев назад

6:30 end of introduction. The video starts here. :-)

@Reman1975 9 месяцев назад

When a friend needed large flat sheets of fiberglass and Kevlar for a project, he found a couple of 6x8' sliding built in wardrobe mirrors locally that were free to collector. He glued one to a sheet of MDF, added extra structure behind that to keep it flat, and added legs to make a kind of laminating table. When he needed a sheet of fiberglass, he'd just smother the table in release agent, Polish it up, and layer up the the rough shape he needed on that. He found that once he could lift an edge, a few blasts of compressed air would pop the sheet right off the table, and it left him with sheets that were perfectly smooth on one side. I'm wondering if a similar setup could be used to "Pre skin" shaped sections of foam in canvas and glue to get a really smooth/flat surface before popping them off and gluing them together? I'm thinking that wetting out the canvas really heavenly with glue, then weighting down the foam on top would get it to stick well enough. The only problem I could see with using wood glue with this technique could be that the glue around the edges would set quickly and then seal in the glue at the middle of the panel, so curing times could be several days/weeks/months. It would need to be tested to see if that was the case.

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal 9 месяцев назад

Sounds interesting, thanks for sharing.

@jjplayssimulatorgames960 Год назад

to me, the problems that you are pointed out in this video, would just be something to live with and talk about to overs that look at your DIY project. Im adhd to begin with so that stuff don't bother me non

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal Год назад

To each his own. Good luck on your project...

@chrisridethatbloodything2044 5 месяцев назад

Thanks for sharing your experiences. Its always better to learn about the problems before you start a project. I'm thinking about building a small camper trailor for the bycicle. It has to be very light and should be not too expensive. I want to use foam for the walls and plywood for the roof (teardrop shape). The goal is not a super perfect finish. I even would like to see the structure of the fabric. Do you know how heavy the combination of glue, canvas and some layers of paint is?

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal 5 месяцев назад

Not really. A gallon of paint will weigh between 8 and 9 pounds. You can probably look up the weight of the foam and other building materials. Good luck on your project.

@owentorode3036 3 года назад

You can use scissors called "pinking shears" to cut the seams off. The teeth are thick and serrated, and stop the edge from fraying.

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal 3 года назад

Good to know. This stuff really comes apart and stretches like crazy when you apply glue/paint.

@Ducerobot 9 месяцев назад

You could use peel and seal for these that might work.

@apristen 3 года назад

Thank you very much! Very useful! may it be any wood glue? or may it be even a handmade glue from acetone (or gasoline) and styrofoam? "canvas" is a material from which, for example, bags for potatoes built? (sorry for my bad english :-))

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal 3 года назад

The titebond glue is water proof and foam friendly. All the foam projects I've seen have used titebond. Good luck...

@theaussienurseflipper.8113 2 года назад

What about a filler primer? Or paint it with a bed liner to give it a rough look. People painting 4x4 with it

@jamesrodriquez2863 3 месяца назад

I think most people who set out to build one of these "foamies" knows going into it that the end result is not going to be as smooth or professional as can be done by manufacturers. My opinion is that that's part of the charm these DIY campers have--flaws here and there. It goes along with the whole "poor man's (fill in the blank)".

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal 3 месяца назад

I agree with your take on this. I would like to see more people showing the flaws and embarrassing them rather than hiding them and not talking about them.

@watahyahknow 8 месяцев назад

wat you could do is put a line of glue along the edge (littla away from the edge) ) before cutting the sewed edge off , this should fic the weave in place , then start glueing and actually fray the edge even along the whole circumference by pulling the treads that are weaved in across if you glue the fraying against the foam you should get a nice feathered edge you can lay the next sheet over think if you want it realy smooth i think you be best off using an automotive filler primer (sprayed on) and sand that smooth , it lays up way thicker than the titebond water mix ever would , another option would be to mix flour gipson or another fine powder thats waterresistand intoo the titebond to give it more body so you need less layers as for laying it on the foam flat , maibe you can stretch the canvass on a frame and lay the canvas once wetted with the glue mix over the foam while still on the frame and cut it after its on there to fold the edges over the foam should help stretching the material even over the full surface

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal 8 месяцев назад

Good information, thanks for sharing...

@RoadKing05FLHR 9 месяцев назад

Repair dents in the wall after the glue dries before painting. Fairing compound, bondo, etc. The pmf seams can be covered with aluminum angle or wood just as you did with the plywood. Fiberglass panels might be the only way to get a perfect finish without a lot of work. That being said the wood is awesome.

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal 9 месяцев назад

Thanks for the input! Best wishes and thanks for watching...

@clintstinytrailerconversio5560 2 года назад

Prople are in such a hurry - to those find your back-button; then when you click on a vid longer than 30 seconds, use it. I did a PMF project and it held up well. But even knowing it couldn’t be perfect, I still didn’t like some of the seams. The bulge of the overlap, if uniform, I was okay with… but other laps attaining and getting it to stick to corners, wasn’t possible. Whether plywood or PMF, you still need to keep paint pristine and if you can keep it under cover when not in use, it will do far better. I am going to build a non-cabover shell and am considering exterior wall methods. One is burnt cedar lap siding the othe Rhinoliner either would sport aluminum trim. Probably will go TPO on the roof. Thanks

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal 2 года назад

Good feedback, thanks for sharing.

@beetlepasswaters7793 3 года назад

To use the Canvas and Glue on the foam for a outdoor project would it help to use a water sealer after it has dried and then paint over it. I like the idea of making a deer blind but want it to last.

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal 3 года назад

No, I think it will work just fine if you don't dilute it way down and you hit it with 3 coats. The guy that built his deer blind did dilute the Titebond II with water and paint. I believe that had he stuck with a 50% Titebond II and 50% paint (no water) mix and applied 3 coats (rather than 2) it would last just fine. The other thing is that he just bought some cheap oops paint from Home Depot. I would recommend using a quality porch paint. He loves his deer blind, he's just kicking himself for cutting corners and trying to get away too cheap. I warned him! The good thing is he just has to go out in the off season and hit all of the seams with titebond II and a paint brush and then repaint the whole thing with one coat as I described above.

@justjenkinaround5116 2 месяца назад

Maybe used fiberglass window screen instead of canvas?

@janettebeck1120 Год назад

hey Riley great job! I'm looking for advice! I bought a micro trailer "project" for my 65th birthday... I may have bit off more than I can chew! lol I live in San Diego so I have a few month b4 wheather become an issue lol the trailer has good bones but the man who started the build passed away... so the universe thought I should finish it! anyway ... I'm currently researching what is best way to seal exterior? also original builder framed and cut 1 window 26x32 in door in rear of trailer and just framed not yet cut 2 16x16 in windows in sides ideally I'd like to put a galley hatch in rear and doors on sides ? I'm currently looking for any advice or help anyone can offer 😁👍 I dont want to get out my violins ... I have some skills the reason I'm doing this is because I am shooting survivor I actually stayed so busy b4 I I retired I didnt give myself time to think bout it lol but bcuz of progression in my injuries... to eye and face I now need a way to get out and battle my PTSD in a positive way 👍😁 any advice you or your peeps can offer would be VERY APPRECIATED ❣

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal Год назад

Here is a link to the 17 episode playlist of my micro camper build from start to finish. You may find some ideas and answers in this project. for windows and doors get on google and look to see what the most common sizes are and what is available. Never hurts to have windows and doors in hand before cutting them out. I put lots of info in the description of each of the videos in the play list including the company that I had make my custom door. Here's the link: ru-vid.com/group/PLMQgRvr09KFikmBiLS8XiFNFnduoL2pXh

@lani1life Год назад

I wonder if you had shaved of a bit of the foam to compensate for the thickness of the cloth, if that would have made a smooth surface? Thank for the info, I'm going to use it to make a cheap shed.

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal Год назад

As I said in the video, I'm sure with a lot more time spent the seams could be made better. The question is how many man hours do you want to put in, and what is the quality that you will accept. Good luck and thanks for watching...

@fbprescher Год назад

I'm getting ready to start PMF on our trailer I need a lot of patching. What did you use and do you have any suggestions.

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal Год назад

Spray foam sprayed on and worked back and forth (so it won't expand) on a Bondo mixing board then applied like Bondo for the big gaps/holes, and drywall filler for really small stuff. Here is a video link to episode 6 in my micro camper build series, ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-b8t2719Z4lc.html Hope this helps. Good luck on your project and thanks for watching...

@Slay4567 3 месяца назад

Ok todays 3-28-2024 How is your camper doing after 3 or so years ? What type of plywood did you use? You said 3/16 " plywood. But did you use OSB plywood? Did you use exterior 3/16 plywood? Did you use 3/16 pressure treated plywood? I have an old 70's camper trailer it's 7' X 16' X 6.5 tall. I want to use plywood and sandwich foam in the middle. But I'm also wanting to cover the plywood with Tite Bond 2 with paint to paint and cover the plywood. Will this work ? Do I need to cover the plywood with canvas and tite bond 2 and paint? Please advise Thank you Sincerely Russell Wilkins

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal 2 месяца назад

The camper is still in excellent condition and I have had zero problems with it. No OSB. I used a lauan backed beadboard paneling on the inside and an exterior plywood on exterior. You can cover the exterior plywood but you don't have to. I used a good coat of primer and many coats of exterior porch paint on the plywood exterior. You can use 3/16 - 1/4" plywood. Do some research on building a plywood canoe/boat. That will give you some good info for ideas on your camper exterior. If you haven't seen this video on my camper build check it out, ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_v9chQPL8g4.html Best of luck to you...

@Slay4567 2 месяца назад

Thannk you very much for replying back with me I appreciate your additional information God Bless

@hotmimi666 Год назад

......Bondo.....it works!

@allancarn6776 2 года назад

Thanks Todd. You helped alot to decide on the exterior finnish of my camper. I couldnt decide on straight painting until your video. In the back of my mind I always really wanted to just paint but eberybody was either doing fiberglass or pmf. . I will do what you did. Thanks for your inspiration. My utube channel is allancarn. Regards Allan

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal 2 года назад

Thanks for watching and commenting, good luck on your project...

@bruceforsman4812 2 года назад

what about corner trim ?

@garywells3874 7 месяцев назад

Have you done any tests for compression? Like if you built a cabinet and the sides were made up of foam with PMF coating. How strong do you think it would be?

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal 7 месяцев назад

I haven't tried anything like that. I'm not sure how that would work.

@garywells3874 7 месяцев назад

I was just thinking if one used 2x2 uprights in the corners to support a small load you wouldn't need any type of plywood on the outside of cabinets. A kitchen counter usually doesn't have much weight on it, water bottles under the counter etc. I'm not doing a Foamy but for a cargo trailer build with an axle that only has a 3500 lb. weight limit I just wanted to reduce the weight being towed and not need weight distribution setup etc. PS: nice build you did, watched it several times. Gary @@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal

@piconano Год назад

Found this video researching how I can make my eMoped camping trailer. I built an LongEZ aircraft in 2000 using foam and fiberglass. The structural glue used on corners, was epoxy and cotton flux. Cotton is as strong as fiberglass The following concerns me; 1- Wood glue is water resistant, not the same as water proof. 2- The weight of all the glue and paint coats, may not make much difference in a car camper, but it does on an electric bike. Why not just use cheap epoxy (not polyester epoxy) instead of glue and gallons of paint? They are about $250/ Gal but you save time and weight. Did you do any load testing on small foam scraps to see which one is stronger?

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal Год назад

Since I decided to skin the exterior of my trailer with plywood which essentially made it a structural insulated panel I had no concerns about the structural integrity of the walls. There are lots of different materials you can use with PMF. Thanks for the input, great suggestions.

@PonicsHaven30720 3 дня назад

Don't ever use drywall mud on something that flexes it will come off. Take it from a drywall man, I know from experience

@JesterBandito 4 месяца назад

Question--- Could one create a base wood stud frame, then put the canvas around one side to create a wall? Then stuff that 16 inch space between each stud with Mylar for insulation?

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal 4 месяца назад

I'm not sure that would work without a somewhat hard substrate under the canvas.

@JesterBandito 4 месяца назад

@@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal... Hm.. Not even if the Canvas was cured?

@toddwmeyer 4 месяца назад

@JesterBandito not sure, give it a try. Worst that can happen is that you come up with a plan B. Best of luck...

@DavidrKun Год назад

I have built a Very Large size Camper that I can not flip.. Meaning lay flat to pour Glue on. What is your best Method to putting on Glue on the Walls. I was thinking of using a Shroud that i normally use for putting up Plaster. Maybe that might help with spreading the glue. or a foam roller. or something. Any suggestion would be great. Thanks

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal Год назад

You can just put it on with a brush or a roller just like paint. Good luck with your project and thanks for watching...

@DavidrKun Год назад

@@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal yeah it's a lot more work then I thought. I did one side. But work this weekend. Will pick up Monday. I'm building as I go. It's starting to look better now LoL.

@madhatman9166 2 года назад

Couldn't you use bondo on the project to help with smoothing seams?

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal 2 года назад

Maybe but I'm not sure how well that will hold long term. Even if it works it's a lot of man hours to get the entire exterior looking good. Good comment. Maybe someone with lot's of bondo experience can weigh in on this...

@st.bernard7498 9 месяцев назад

I detected a bit of Christopher Walken accent...I believe you could do a good Christopher Walken impersonation if you practiced a bit...Also I think you did a great job on the camper build...Im thinking of building a foamie camper and would like to model it after the Little Snoozy camper.

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal 9 месяцев назад

Thanks for watching. Good luck on your build...

@dennisyoung4631 2 месяца назад

Was thinking to use the pink foam - and then epoxy and real fiberglass - for a bicycle “trailer.” Need “light” and “insulation”….

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal 2 месяца назад

That should be a good approach. Best of luck...

@richardlachance6818 Месяц назад

Question. L’eau qui seras projeter à l’intérieur des ailes par les pneus vas t’elle faire humecter le veneer et finir par décoller la peinture sur l’extérieur ?

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal Месяц назад

I haven't had any problems with that. You should check out my Camper Build play list for more info on how I built the wheel wells. Episode 2, ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-fSj77yZthEE.html

@richardlachance6818 Месяц назад

Super bien fais 👍

@lonewolf9223 2 года назад

Starts @ 6:47

@irenemontoya3110 3 года назад

Have you ever tried using styrofoam and acetone cuz that's like a super glue and it dries fast and dries like fiberglass I make it all the time and use it for several different things but you do have to wear gloves when using it And it works better when you spread it only in one direction and if it starts to get hard on you then mix a little more acetone in it and it makes it workable again and it's hard and can withstand any kind of weather a

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal 3 года назад

Thanks for the input. I will definitely look into that.

@Wild_Bill57 2 года назад

Todd you seem confused, you’re supposed to use latex paint over the PMF. You don’t seem to have done enough research. There are videos and videos.

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal 2 года назад

Nothing could be further from the truth. I did a crazy amount of research. The titebond base coat will give it a harder finish to build upon with the paint coats. On a camper you're going to want a very hard exterior. Good luck on your project and thanks for watching

@jonathanwhite9051 Год назад

He has done one small project with PMF and is an expert, it's incredible! He doesn't even know how his buddy made his corners of his blind, he just wants to rip on this way of finishing a camper. But his build came out great gotta give him that!

@bruceforsman4812 2 года назад

fill in using can spray foam as if it was fast setting bondo using six inch knife

@toddwmeyer 2 года назад

Yep, I did that. It's time consuming and in the end still doesn't get you to a great finished product. Not on a large project like a camper build. Great comment.

@mattlindsayb9856 2 года назад

is there a good source for pant base foam?

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal 2 года назад

Not sure... sorry.

@superblondeDotOrg 6 месяцев назад

08:50 Dont buy painters drop cloth from hardware store. Buy a chosen fabric from a fabric store, from bulk roll, in desired length and width and fabric weight, and also desired weave.

@stoneyrunva 3 года назад

Unfortunately, plywood has become insanely expensive. It's also heavy. I'm still searching for alternatives and leaning toward polycarbonate roofing panels.

@duncans1490 3 года назад

Did you go the polycarb route...any luck with it.?

@Dikinbulk Год назад

Trim pieces and smaller overlaps?

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal Год назад

James, Is there a specific question here?

@shadowofthestarsdespair Год назад

Chemicals titbond will not be able to keep moisture out nomater what kind you use it's polyurethane. You can seal it tho

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal Год назад

Thanks for the comment, you bring up a good point. That's why you add the paint, and lots of it in order to achieve a finished texture and seal. Thanks for watching...

@RoadKing05FLHR Год назад

In my opinion putting filler on the foam is going to cause problems. I think some microboloons would work but that's pretty expensive for the resin. Seems to me that you could just use the glue and canvas. As you said the dent will show in the finish. That's where so would be using the filler. Then paint over that.

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal Год назад

Filling the voids under the canvas holds it in place and keeps it from telegraphing through. Thanks for the input.

@garethwatson7999 2 года назад

Would you not board the foam over with a thin 5mm plywood and then glue and canvas over that board? Also I wouldn’t use the canvas and glue as the finish, I’d use a good few coats of Primer/Filler on top, sanding in between then paint on top of that like you would a car body? Doing proper bodywork is the only way you’ll get a decent long lasting finish. It needs to be waterproof, it needs to be sealed and it needs to look decent, treat it like a boat hull or something similar. It will take time but it will last way longer. The other options are to go down the plywood with thin sheet metal glued and to me this is the easy most cost effective version of finishing them, that’s why most companies do it this way, seal it well, use good corner edging, nice decals and it looks super professional. Im about to start a teardrop project and I’m looking into so many options for mine, I’m wanting a more utilitarian concept but I want it to last. Luckily I’ve got fibreglass laminating experience so I may do the seams this way and use aluminium sheeting over the top as a nice finish. Ultimately, as long as it’s waterproof and fully sealed the shell will be fine. Raptor paint seems like a good option too if that’s a look you’re into?

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal 2 года назад

Good information

@garethwatson7999 2 года назад

@@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal I suppose it all comes down to budget and time constraints at the end of the day, I’m sure everyone would love to have a teardrop camper with the finish of a Lamborghini or a Bugatti but it’s just practical in the real world so functionality and bang for your buck is the approach I’m going to go for. I’ll document the project and put it on here so come take a look when it starts.

@ToddsProjectsandOutdoorJournal 2 года назад

@@garethwatson7999 Sounds good. Thanks for watching. I hope you picked up some info that will help you on your build.

@ericthornton5252 Год назад

I agree. I was a house painter for years and was wondering why you would not just do regular skim coating after the quality primer on the glue. Prime with a kilz or similar then use fuller of choice and then primer again and then oil based quality exterior paint. Could be auto or boat or house paint I think. Everyone has a different skill set and tools and preferences.