Angron was a Gladiator champion of Nucaria, so powerful and so honorable he could best any foe in the ring… He had such powerful emperor crafted gifts of the warp that he could even take the suffering of those he cares about. The warp of is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. He became so powerful… the only thing he was afraid of was losing his control, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he was explanted with the butchers nails, causing him to lose himself in rage and agony. Ironic. He could save others from pain, but not himself.
The World Eaters XII Legion are an interesting dichotomy. Many followed their father into heresy but a significant number of them remained loyal and became black shields
I feel like world eaters are THE most under appreciated parts of 40k lore. They're always just branded as the "hurr durr kill" legion that everyone seems to overlook the more interesting aspects of the legion. First off their undying loyalty to THEIR PRIMARCH. They were so loyal and dedicated to their Primarch that they willingly under went the butchers nails to understand /connect with him more. Also their mental strength and willpower is unparalleled, being able to put up with the butchers nails and not allow themselves to simply keel over is beyond impressive. The deep and tragic story of Angron is actually one of the best making a character that seems so simple one of the most complex.
Ik. Usually berserker like characters are just 1 dimensional or written off as insane but world eaters are tragic because they can never know tranquility or peace ever again due to the nails and khorne. Combat to them is like a drug addiction where killing is the only way to turn off the constant agony and angst they get when they’re not fighting. Death is the only way out. And Kharn is just a completely different breed of astartes to be able to stay as sane as he is with how old he is
I'm honestly angered at the presentation of the world eaters as unskilled dumb berserkers. instead of extraordinarily skilled mega genius murders who have practiced the arts of war in centuries of conflict. with a hyper predatory instinctual rage for blood fused with transhuman biology and intellect. They might be berzerkers but if they were mindless they would have gone extinct. They're violently direct and highly aggressive not. they're not mindless brutes they're feral hyperintelligent transhuman demi-gods of war. They also have a deep and rich culture that's not touched upon either often enough.
Baldermort, Majorkill, and Barry Walt's? Fun, but not serious. The Remembrancer and Baldermort? Literally everything they are saying is CANON ON STONE TABLETS.
"If you desire to cast fault for the path that the XII legion embarked upon, the true blame could be placed nowhere other than at the Throne of Terra, at his Feet." Eight Captain Khârn Dear Remembrancer, let the mayhem begins.....
That's nothing more than embracing a victim complex where no matter what terrible things you do it's not your fault cause you were wronged. Everybody has a choice to become more than what your origins turned you into but Angron's choice was to completely give into his rage due to the fact it was easier and because it felt good.
@@Doomseer totally agree with you! Angron was probably "broken " since his birth , or after the suffering on Nuceria (especially after the implantation of the nails or the lost of Oenomaus) and the growing rage against the emperor who denied him the choice to die with his brothers gladiators put and end to his mind. Otherwise, i think that the choice of his gene-sons to follow him in that bloody path was morbid and a truly madness. After a lot of time someone said that the genes of Angron was corrupted since the beginning, i don't think so. The space marines that follow his choices, that embrace his traditions and modus operandi, especially on Istvaan 3 massacre, have tacitly consented. After all, for my taste, I really like the drama around this legion, primarch and Kharn, one of my favourite character of the brand, until Skalathrax...and Khorne is my favuorite god so....😅😁
@@mattthedemon7517 I understand where you're coming from when you say Angron was broken from the beginning or at least after he killed his foster father due to the nails being forcefully transplanted into his head. Furthermore it goes without saying the emperor kidnapping Angron from his gladiator brethren right before their final battle against their former captures didn't help much either. However Angron was a Primarch and in my opinion had the strongest will out of all his brothers besides maybe Mortarion and as such I truly believe if he really wanted to he could of resisted the biting call of the nails and eventually came to a point where he no longer was a complete slave to them. But he simply chose not to and even worse subjected his own sons to the absolute living hell that is being implanted with the butcher's nails but of course only after years and years of killing and torturing them for the actions of the emperor which they had nothing to do with. Lastly he never even attempted to find out why the emperor did what he did or gave him a chance to make amends and much of that is due to the fact he didn't understand that despite the emperor's nigh on godly powers he none the less was human and a very flawed human at that who had the unimaginable and unenviable responsibility of an entire galactic spanning species resting on his very shoulders which if you ask me would render any human being cold and callous to the extreme. Also FIY considering you're a world eaters fan boy like me lol you should totally watch the fan story narrated by Vox in the void called waking dogs and then let me know what you think of it cause it's probably my all-time favorite WH40K fanstory.
@@Doomseer thanks for sharing your opinions that I find really interesting! Well, it seems the time is come for me to go to listen that fanstory, thanks for letting me know about it! See you soon
It's such a tragedy what became of the 12th legion, they inherited their primarchs empathy and so felt for him when his own gift was denied by cruel fate and even cruelty has its comforts, thus dooming the legion with rage induced madness all because of angron wanting to help his people on his home world to then get denied even further by his own father. Truly tragic. Moral of the story: fuck eldar who think trying to stop the future vision somehow doesn't help it happen.
The World Eater story just seems like one of those too stupid to actually happen scenarios. We are just going to send this madman off with an army while he is still murdering any officer who walked up to him...
imagine if the emporoer literally sent the ONE fucking custodies that angron had torn to shreds down to conquer the fuckin planet, the whole HERESY probably wouldve been avoided alltogether if he had treated the predicament of angron even a tenth better than he had done.
I think the emperor and malcador tried to remove them but found out it would kill angron if they did. Angrons story is a sad one, hes "power" was that of extreme empathy or something similar, he would have been a completly different being were it not for those nails.. and the emperor being a s**ty dad. Yes, i know, im a heretic, send the inquisitor this way ;)
13:45 Angron is basically just a bloodthirster now. 22:10 This hit hard, they aren't war hounds anymore because now they are blood thirsty berserkers that obey no one except for their desire for bloodshed and Khorne, unlike dogs. They embody the pure savagery of Wolves more than the Space Wolves ever (no offense intended to the Space Wolves).
Konrad and Angron are what i call the two broken primarchs, becuase unlike the rest of their brother these two were shaped by the shitholes they landed konrad grew up alone and no guide on a planet of gansters and corrupt nobles with the vaguest of ideas about how the law works, then we have angron someone who could of been one of the most noble and compassionate primarchs, but nuceria broke him, he landed on a planet of power hungry monsters that forced the nails on him and took away his primarch powers and was slowly killing him The emperor saw angron was irreversabily mulitlated by the nails who was going to die way before the crusade ended and couldn't remove them becuase even if your a primarch, the brain is a very senisve organ to fuck around with. Apperently the emperor wanted knorad captured so he could do some werid voo doo to heal his mind, but the guys in charge of his capture sanguinius and Jonson let him slip through their fingers and in his finals moments he either was forgivien by Big e or konrad just went batshit and was a fevered dream
If Angron’s ability is empathy. The ability to feel someone else’s pain and take it from them. Then why shouldn’t that ability be throughout the world eaters as well. Feeling someone’s pain and oppression is good kindling for growing A pyre of rage.
17:37 ... "until it is DONE!" Joke aside, another incredible episode Remebrancer, I wasnt much into the lore of 40k (as the miniature hobby, much less war games with miniatures were never on this side of the planet) but your incredible narrations and well written scripts changed that really fast!
This is literally the best 40k lore video I've ever seen, the voice acting and production is superb and so much more entertaining than normal videos, I rarely subscribe to anything but with this I will be.
It never made sense to me how Big E handled Angron. He jumped through hoops to get Russ and Vulkan on his side. All he had to do was deploy a few Custodes to fight with Angron and his warriors to gain his loyalty.
@@kharnthebetrayer1575 Its one of those dumb things that have to happen for the plot to occur. I get that it was written way before the HH books fleshed things out. But that is one of the bits of lore that should have been retconned into making more sense.
Big E can see the future, he probably saw that angron was going to fall to chaos so he probably didn't bother. Compared to say sanguinius or vulkan having a raging frothing lobotomized maniac as korns chosen was the best alternative. You see this with most primarchs sans a few like horus or fulgrim where the emps intentionally treat them like utter shite compared to most of the other sons who stayed loyal.
Very well told as usual Remembrancer. It's a shame that the lore turned them and Angron into a dribbling idiots. Khrone is the god war, hatred, rage, blood sure... but he's also the god of martial honour and strength. But the lore just seems to focus on them being angry af all the time...
More that if you are an Astartes, Primarch, etc and you butchering farmers, children, the average person with no weapons and isn't fighting back, they aren't valued like killing other combatants, people who can in someway at least fight back in some capacity.
Angron’s fate is painfully tragic. He was born to be the empathetic heart of the Primarch Brotherhood, only to have his purpose ripped from him alongside his capacity to feel any kind of inner peace. AND THEN his dad comes along and makes it worse. _AND THEN_ Lorgar makes him into a Daemon Prince that literally can’t feel anything except pain and world-ending rage. Now, he’s not even a person anymore. He’s a force of nature; you can’t reason with him, he can’t give orders, and he certainly can’t lead. His sons just have to have the common sense to know that they should get the hell out of the way.
I can't wait to see what gw has in store for Angrons return! My money is on he's gonna have guilliman and the ultramarines at his mercy just for Leman to return ahead of a space wolves battle fleet to fight Angron and his reformed legion to save guilliman.
I'm far from a warhammer 40k fan (fantasy > 40k in my opinion ;) ) but your voice made it more epic, couldn't help but keep on listening. Got a sub for it.
Would be so lovely if Guilliman founds new Primaris Chapters with Traitors Geneseed and unleashes them against the Heretics. After all, there are samples kept on Terra.
@@1974GreekTigerand yet Dark Angels ( one of my favorite armies) still have forbidden tech that was given to them by Big E. And it was G man that keep Crawl from using “ traitor” gene seed and the seeds from the 2 “lost” Primarks .
Imagine if Big E had teleported a bunch of War Hounds onto thr battlefield and told Angron to use then against the Nuserians, instead of yanking him out by force...what couldnhave been!
my theory is that the world eaters were mean as back up executioners if the more heavily altered Space wolves didn't work out, you know the whole wolf-man thing. i mean one of their 1st actions was executing the thunder warriors. same with the death guard and salamanders as both were known for being extra resilient. and the Alpha legion and raven Guard because what is stealth but being deceptive about where you are? both also would use sabotage and assassination. many would connect RG with nightlords but while they used similar methods the NL whole deal was screaming " HEY LOOK AT WHAT I JUST DID, FEAR ME!"
i'm agree with many when they say that the story of angron is a tragedy, but many seem to forget that if angron had accepted the deal of the emperor to lead his son at the begining, then he had the possibilitie to win his war, AND to save his gladiator brother and sister ! and that is the first crack in his lies, the problem of angron, is that he never wanted to be free, nor to free somebody, he is a primarch, not a random dude, his intelligence is by far greater than any normal genius, or he never really plan something like corvus corax, he just randomly, with his army, butcher anything that was in vicinity. he never try to make a real rebellion, never incite the many people on the planet that suffer to rebel against the upper class, in fact, the only real thing he want, even in 30 and 41k, is to die with his old friend in the same damn arena, and that the problem of angron, he is suici dal from the begining, he tell everybody that it's not his fault that everybody die in the arena, when he have the possibilitie to save them, he blame the emperor and his own sons of his own decisions, and make them pay dearly for that. angron's tragedy is not that he was saved by the emperor, the tragedy is that he prefer to give up long before he was saved, a slave of his own suici dal tendency...
How the Emperor didn't see what the future held for the 12th and destroy this traitor filth is beyond me. I feel bad for the Astartes who had Angron as a "leader"... If you could call him that. I mean you could see Angron betraying humanity from a mile away , and having Horus beside him only made his pride/ego swell up more, only to have his hatred of the Emperor increase massively. Long live the Emperor , long live Humanity , long live the Emperor. 🤍♥️🤍
Yeah, the 12th was never going to make it. Even if the Horus Heresy never happened and they never fell to Chaos, there's no way they don't end up getting the Thunder Warrior treatment (and deservedly so).
He saw it but he also think he can handle him and the rest of the Traitors thanks to the Webway. And he need some force like the WE and NL in his side to reduce separatism. Also, his precognition only show the vision of the end of each "roads" (the possible timeline), not the "road" itself (all the events that construct that timeline).
Ya know, learning more about the War Hounds, I feel like I can better understand why Angron hated and viewed them as cowards considering they were effectively a reserve legion. I mean obviously they’re still astartes and they’re brutal and all, and like obviously Angron’s greatest hatred was for the emperor not his sons. But like it makes sense and I understand perhaps part of the reason he instantly despises them on meeting.
5:37 If Big E had just said "Hey Angron, I'm your dad, here's some genetically altered super soldiers to support your rebellion and kick this petty noble's ass," everything would have been SO MUCH different.
Too those who wonder how the Red Angel would've turned out if the Emperor had helped him on Desh'elika Ridge, the answer is simple: Worse. While there are a few filthy heretics that claim that the God Emperor refused to save Angron’s ragtag army of slaves out of spite, they couldn't be more wrong. The Emperor did not save them because they were losers. Angron was infamous as the one Pirmarch who failed to conquer his homeworld. If the Emperor had not arrived when he did then the Red Angel would have joined his rabble in death. For one of the Emperors Sons to be reduced to this state, well that's just plain pathetic. Aside from this, the simple fact was that Angron and his men were all tainted by the Butcher's Nails. These aracheotech devices drove them on to greater and greater levels of violence whilst simultaneously degrading their intellect and willpower. It's hard to design a device better suited to driving one into the arms of Khorne even if you wanted to. So aside from being failures, they were also homicidal madmen ripe to the malign influence of Chaos. Thus it's not hard to understand why the Emperor left them to their fate, rather than elevating them to the ranks of the Adeptus Astartes. Honestly, the only mistake He made was in saving Angron. The bloodthirsty fool was already too far gone at this point. It would have been better to have granted Angron his wish and let him die with his band of fellow slaves. Sure the death of their Primarch would have been a massive blow to the morale of the War Hounds. But they would have remained the War Hounds, one of the most loyal of legions, famous for having the strongest bonds of brotherhood. Under the stewardship of Angron, they devolved into the accursed World Eaters, the most broken and fractious of all the traitor legions. And ol Angron went from being a slave on Nuceria to being a slave to the whims of the Blood God. Thus it truly would have been better for all if the Emperor had simply turned His back on His broken Son. But a Fathers mercy for His Child won out. To the detriment of both.
honestly they should retcon Khorne factions, they are so uneeded, all they do is add onto the slog that is chaos. personally i think they should release more kriegsmen cause they would earn much more money from that
Angron hated, The Devourers though as a true warrior didn't need guards. I'm not 100% sure but didn't he even kill some of them at some point? Becoming one of them wasn't as much of an honour as perhaps it would have been in any other legion.
