World of Tanks Plus is Pay to Win 

4 million xp per year. So maybe if you live for 100 years you can get half of the skills on your commander for the manticore.

I just want to say THANK YOU QB for stepping up and calling WG out on their decisions. You, along with the other content creators, are really the voice of the WoT community, and I am very happy to see you and most of the others telling WG that they are wrong and that they need to fix their mistakes. I believe I speak for the whole of the community when I say "Thank you!"

There is just another negative impact in regards to bond demountig. There are very rare bond equipment parts like bond turbo which are not buyable but only winnable in events. They will switch from being one of the rarest items in WoT to a universal standard equip. This self-destruction of their game economy is absolutely insane.

Don't forget that due to how map bans will work, the tanks you face in those battles will simply be more focused on, as that person is actively level them. The extra 500 gold a week can be used to convert to exp, so, those tanks won't all be stock. The gaps will grow even further faster.

WG really tries hard to get rid of us

I believe it has always been “pay to win” in some way

Honestly I don’t understand why WG not monetizing the loading screens by selling it to advertisers (you will see it in any case), in marketing, the player base of WOT age wise is the most wanted, so this function would be in demand and so it wouldn’t be necessary to use this monetisation policy to mess up mechanics

Those are all nice considerations you made on equipment demounting. But I think you missed an important point: With the free demounting, bounty equipment, but most importantly bond equipment will become the new standard equipment, so the question is: what will they introduce next? What will be the next op equipment? Will they be able to (yes they will) monetize the experimental equipment? And how?

qb, you missed one very important point when it comes to the bond eq. the advantage of bond optics over standard optics. in the ebr 105 it can be a disparity of a little over 13 meters more viewrange, which is a lot on that thing.

The demounting should be limited to three per day, or just standard equipment. They should also blend premium accounts with the subscription somehow.

Don’t forget that with WoT Plus, you won’t need to research the last stage of Field Mods for up to tier 8. This is because bond and bounty equipment gets no slot bonuses. So there will be no need to spend XP on the final stage of Field Mods to get the extra slot bonus.

I'm sure wargaming is gonna make some fake statistic claiming “70% of our players wanted update. Da da da”

Conspiracy theory: WG never wanted to put bond equipment demounting in the game; they just made it the anchor for all hatred so that everyone is fine with them putting everything else in the game just bc they step back from free bond equipment demounting..

13years in and am hanging up the gloves this game is enjoyable as shit on your shoe these days ......

There‘s a possibility we all should be aware of: WG could add something lile the free demount into patches just as an rage bait. We all see that proposed change, get angry, WG removes it and we all say: Hey, look, they listen to the community. But the other 10 points in that patch which are less worse are now in the game and the community got duped.

There is one thing that QB failed to mention. If wargaming do NOT and I repeat... DO NOT scrap the WOT plus plan or at least change the demounting equipment for free feature. Once it is the game, it'll stay in there forever. Hundreds if not thousands of players will rush to sell their equipment and wargaming can't just remove that feature few patches later. The game will be ruined forever.

Wargaming don't care how many videos you make ,it's going in anyway

Even WoT is not isolated from the EA-fication of video games...

When the wheelies came out I closed my wallet to WG. If these changes go into effect as it appears they will, I'll close the door on the hope things will change back to the game that hooked me in the beginning. As someone who founded and built his own successful business I understand profit motives. But I'll never understand crapping on the sources of those profits. It's stunning to me they see things the way they do.

I bet after QB made this video, he played the FCM36Pak40 in a round with the bond turbo and optics lol

QB, firstly. Thank you for the years of content for this game. I remember watching your videos before high school classes a decade ago. I'll be completely honest, 9.20.1 may be the end of my WoT journey. Even IF WG pulls back the horrendous crew changes. Even IF WG elects to not implement WoT+. The writing is on the walls at this point. WG is aiming to absolutely squeeze every. single. Goddamn. cent. out of it's player base. They show zero signs of stopping this trend and the company's behavior is flat out abhorrent, and "aggressive" isn't even a strong enough term for it. Thank you again. Seriously. But unless WG pulls a 180 sometime soon, I am DONE with WoT.

QB, It will be interesting to compare your quickfingers account stats with your plays for free account stats and see if/how they diverge when WOT plus is enacted.

After years of accumulating this bond equipment this is a true stab in the back by WG. Thank you for the intensive breakdown of WOT plus . Hopefully WG looks at this and makes a few changes , after all it is a test , and perhaps they have overlooked some of the implications of the changes they are introducing.

Makes you wonder whether so many free to play players have left that WoT is having to make the Premium player base the cannon fodder for the WoT Plus player base.

Ain't no way the game has 3 different premium subsciptions

This will be why I don't ever have to spend more money on this game... I'll be playing out the gold and premium time I got at Christmas and then go onto other games. I guess getting ~$100 per year for 6-7 years just wasn't enough for them. Too many other good games cost so much less. We should be getting more map variety (there should be 50-60 maps in this game by now), we should have had de-formable terrain and weather effects (and night games), but yet it's just more and more increasingly powerful tanks that seem to cost more and more money, time and/or effort. Ah Well, nothing good lasts forever.

Totally agree with the bond thing, there's a big picture they didn't think of when doing that. Unless they did and do not care because they know it will make people want to get plus more.

The most impotant pattern I have discovered in WoT is that they always bring in some new things which we want. and then they inflate it. When the bonds came in, you could get those only in Clan wars I believe, now you get it with playing tier 10 and in events as well. Grinding tanks used to take a lot of time. Now with premium and all the boosters, it is the easiest thing. Camo was very unique, now they give some much on event usually you have more then enough. Training crew was relatively hard. I become easier with the boosters, now all what people grinded will be inflated. Bond equipment's were hard to get. Now you can mount and remount those easily. Which is also a certain inflation in their value.

Good video.well explained. [ im Xbox, but discord 'flapping' about P+ heading for console] i never realised the huge difference in the in game 'eco system' , the gulf is huge and you have done a very good job of epxplaining the dynamics. 👍

I remember the beta days again... All what "premium" players got was extra credits and that was about it. Times change fast and not in the best possible way...

im seeing some sort of pattern here, it seems as time progresses they will lose "unloyal" free to play players who likely play the game for a year of 2 before quitting the game, WG now has to rely on their "loyal" puppets aka the pay2win players to be able to profit from their game by selling more and more premium content.

I have played the game since 2015. More than 75,000 games later I have all tanks researched (no blueprints required) with 15 to unlock. Most tech' trees are done and the Japanses TDs will slow me down to get the Master Technical Badge. I am better than average, but some of that simply comes from the accumulation of many high skilled crews and vehicles with lots of good equipment, simply from playing the game for as long and as often as I have done so. I think this coming patch may finally persuade me to take a permanent break from the game. I am not interested in a "subscrption", and knowing that there will be a tier of players above a premium account level more obviously buying their way to wins is something I have to resist by not playing, and not buying more premium time. So long, farewell, auf wiedersehen, good bye!

Getting close to finishing my association with WG. It has been a frustrating journey at times, but now it seems like they are trying to get as much out of us before the game tanks (excuse pun). Good work QB always enjoy your vids.

Well, your free to play account is going to be lots of fun!😉 I never understood the idea of investing in something that they could shut down tomorrow.

best wot plus feature would be a ping of 30-50ms instead of 300ms

17 days of premium time left and then I'm done. What a shame.

QB. Thank you from all of the WOT community, that you step up for everyone and call out these bad decisions from wg... maybe they will hear you. You are one of the only creators, who is actually there for the community and not for WG❤

Gunner sergeant Highway said it best... "Its a cluster f*ck"

I would honestly say WoT Plus has gone from 'Pay to Win' to 'Pay to Play'. Now I'm fearing they'll do the same incompetence to WoWs too...

i was a whale in this game I would spend over £150 a month as I wanted all the premium tanks and then the game just got worse the 279e and cheiftan where so OP, the amount of gold ammo being used and the bad bad maps, then the black sales made you spend more. When they killed arty off and made heavy tanks the meta I said no thanks so I stopped playing and I have to say i've not missed playing at all most of my clan mates have stopped playing due to the same reason. One thing I have to ask WG you said a couple of years ago you would make it so you did not lose premium time if you did not play that never happend did it? this crew 2.0 is another dumb idea thought up by non playing people, as WB has said this will kill the game. However WG made so much money already that if it stopped making money today they could still like a very good life.

I returned to an account I opened 12 years ago and played during the beta. This game has gotten so layered and so focused on spending money to play that it's impossible to play. It's not even fun anymore and that breaks it for me.

Very impressed with the amount of thought and detail you put into this. Thanks for laying it all out so clearly!

I hope they see sense and make this game one they can be proud of. Profit incentives can be bad for the customers sometimes.

Love the content QB! Keep up the good work

Definitely checking out the last airbender water tribe music and ambience on ur YT suggested XD

I've played the game for almost 10 years. I've had some breaks during that time - the longest when the clown cars were introduced, but have always come back to play again. These proposed changes make me worry for the future of a game that I generally enjoy. Might be time for a break to see how the new update plays out. Your content for WoT has been great QB, I've really appreciated your tank reviews, game guides and your balanced approach to assessing the state of the game over the years. I hope that some of the proposed changes are revised in response to the almost universal criticism or it might be a permanent sign off from WoT for me.

Agree with many other players. Thank you QB for being there for us. I agree that this will break the game. Now we have to pay to get premium time AND pay to get even more benefits if we wanna be competative... and I am a free to play-player... mostly.

I mean no offense QB ... but 31 minutes to determine that WoT Plus is a money grab? Pretty sure we knew that from the preliminary announcement. Now, the more important fact is that it will possibly increase the gap between pay-to-win and free-to-play players even more ... likely leading to no free (read: NEW) players at all.

While you are right about bound equipment and the economy I feel like this is nothing compared to the Crew Changes. A fully skilled crew's price tag is going to be insane and it will have a MASSIVE difference over an untrained crew. I could live with the bond changes if they go in but the crew changes might be enough to push me out.

the bond equipment demount is ether a big mistake or a calculated move to pave the way for experemental equipment anyway it will make it even more impossible to start the game from scratch its basicly saying we dont care about new players anymore we just milk remaining playerbase dry in any way imaginable

Hi QB I really agree with u on this Wot + update 400% They should listen to the players

WELL...........they ARE hemorrhaging players left and right.............. gotta bleed the remaining players for what they can before they also leave.

WoT+ when the servers are lagging like crazy these past few days... WG needs that money to water and feed that Hamster in the wheel!

I remember a couple of years ago I came back to WoT for a while and tried my tier8 light tank in tier10 match. I couldn't even see anyone before I was killed every time since everyone nowadays have that 8 skill crew I don't have.

Here's a thought about the extra map ban slot as well. I don't know the matchmaker's logic, but I wonder if as more people ban specific maps, does it increase the chances that the matchmaker will put those that don't ban those maps into those matches. That would mean that you could be more likely to go on undesirable maps in tanks that are bad for that map if you are unable to ban them. I think these changes spell the death of WOT NA.

×2 Pay to win lmao that's crazy

I have quite a bit of bond gear…. But never put it on. Never once. I was always searching for the vehicles that I wanted it on, while worrying that it would get lost amongst my many dozens of high tier tanks and with the knowledge most players don’t have it on everything so it wasn’t a big deal. But now, the whales will have it on EVERY tank they play. Crud.

the free bond demounting is the only dealbreaker for me imo. if it goes through wot can just have bond players playing against other bond players and we'll see how fast it dies then

If they touch my crews after my having worked so long to build them, im out.

You've missed one IMPORTANT thing .Lets say number of players grinding MOE's on Light tanks and with WOT+ they exclude maps like Himmel/Ensk/Ruinberg this means it will be harded for non WOT+ players to get maps like Malinovka/Prochorovka as if there is a chance for a light tank to go for maps like Himmel/Ensk/Ruinberg only f2p players and premium players will go for those maps far quicker and more often than WOT+ players. WOT+ players will have higher chance on going on Malinovka/Prochotrovka and the rest of the maps .... WG just killing this game and I am not returning for sure .

Maybe you also get a normal functioning server with this subscription. I am having insane 300 ping lag spikes and I believe I’m not the only one.

Btw check what Waves plug-ins caused in music production, few days ago in one evening switched to subscription only and caused huuuge rage, similar to this. Today they decided back out of this situation due to pressure and CTO had to publish a public announcement

Great vid QB, thanks for your insight.

You know QB, you are just confirming that WG is doing the right move by introducing those changes all at once. People will only complain once. And you already admitting that you will immediatly jump on to WoT Plus confirms that they are doing the right (short term) changes to milk the dying cow

The passive exp gain is a little more than a booklet each 2 days... thats huge and really pay to win.

25:15 - I strongly recommend that moment to be listened again and again. And mb. sometimes THEY will understand and stop doing that thing.

I appreciate your insights. As a low to mid tier F2P I would not fully understand how this would impact the game and my experience overall. My experience is already frustrating and sub-par as it is, so I might have to reconsider WoT after the future update.

At this point, if you keep playing World of Tanks even after all of these changes, you're no better than Wargaming in my opinion.

If this patch goes through, I will be done with WOT. I am not a fat whale, have a full time real job, and also a life. I refuse to pay away my hard earned money when honestly won't make me win any more games.

RIP Quicky's Free to play account... We will miss you...

WG is like: "People will pay either way, even if we push this update" ... and they are absolutely right. If 90% of the player base will not leave this game, then they can do ANYTHING. That's that.

Better leave WOT now before it gets any worse and more depressing. Leave on a high note, if you can even call it that.

29:07 3 steps forward one step backward this is what WG wanted to community accept

So WG didn’t made that ridiculous new crew skill system for no reason. They know exactly how unfair that system would become, and they had a remedy prepared. Buy the new subscription!

Soon a game will come out that finally convinces the player base to switch up. One thing about all this cash for everything, its exhausting. I gave up long ago trying to keep up with anything in this game. The crew experience for doing nothing did it for me, like they are EVE or something. Get real WG.

I used to be on tournament and CW teams that did pretty well. I stopped playing a few years ago, and so did most of the guys I played with. The only guys I knew still in the game just grind for fun now and then. Wargaming did a good job killing off interest in WoT a while back and since then they just find new ways to mine the remaining userbase for cash.

QuickyBaby, thank you for making this video. I know you didn't want to make it, but WG12R needs to here about these realities on how this will impact other aspects of the game. I completely agree That switching bond equipment for free will seriously hurt New players, and I will feel bad for them when starting at tier 2! New players won't really have a chance to progress because WoT+ players will indeed play their premium tanks (tier 2 and up) with bond equipment if it's free to switch. Stack the new crew skills on top of this, and New players are just not going to perform well at all against WoT+ Whales. New players, (who might even be using 75-90% crews without any perks), will get killed faster, perform worse in their battles, and as a result, not continue to higher tiers or make credits because New players will be outclassed in every map they fight in. This disparity might even hold New players back from getting enough xp from battle to get their crew up to 100%. Feels Real Bad Man... So, to sum up, the MOST unfair part of WoT+ will be the free Bond switching! Besides this issue, there are quite a few of them in this update that raise serious CONCERNS. I'll list mine below: -Free BOND switching for WoT+ players. -New/Modified crew skills that give huge advantages. -Tanks with more crew have more skills, which leaves the same type of tank with less crew at a disadvantage on number of skills the tank has. -Many new crew skills are mandatory, so every tank crew will need more xp to get at least 2-4 skills to stay competitive. -Free XP for a tank crew with WoT+, they get xp for doing nothing! (Sorry new players with 75% crew, WoT+ players don't even need to play to get their crew % up.) -WoT+ players get a "rental" heavy tank that takes no penalty for the type of crew in it (even arty). xp for your favorite crew, or xp for a crew that needs it most. (Universal tank is for USA tanks only, so if you like French, German, Russia, etc nations, too bad). Even if they do push this universal tank through, only America gets a universal crew training tank? Is there going to be a tier 8 "Rental" tank for each nation? (Sorry New players, you should've chosen USA to start with, but you chose the (insert any other nation here) tech tree line... -And of course, the disrespectful offer of 12 CREW RETRAINS for current players! (will let us retrain 2-3 tanks) Who can afford to reskill all their other tanks? I have over 575 tanks (and I don't even have all the tanks). Even assuming they do allow free retrains on all the tanks you have; how long do you think it will take to reskill all the tanks you have? (I figure I'll need 20-30 minutes for each tank). Quick math- 575 tanks*30 minutes= 17,250 minutes or 287.5 HOURS!! That will take me months to change them! (And remember, I don't even have all the tanks in the game), That's the list I have, in my humble opinion. I just feel sorry for any new players, I foresee them getting clubbed as soon as they hit tier 2... Thanks again QuickyBaby for shining a light on these issues. Most online games NEED new players to continue going, and I hope all the points you made will reach where it needs to so New players will not just play one battle and quit, but they will play one battle, and Stay playing World of Tanks! I salute you QuickyBaby! o7

Thank you QB for this excellent analysis of the WoT Plus. It's sad to see that a game i've been playing (mostly free-to-play, like 95% of this time) since 2011, is becoming a pay-to-win monster. Looks like Wargaming fell into this honeypot that a lot of gaming companies fall into and add more real-money-can-give-me-more-advantage aspect to the game. I assume a lot of players will stop playing (including me probably) after having all this disadvantage against pay-to-win opponents. It won't be fun anymore. Thank you again QB and take care!

Nice video, was about to try WoT again but I guess now is not the best time

Is the TS-54 kind of like the King Tiger? If you cancel Twitch Prime, don't you also lose the King Tiger?

I kinda feel like WG put themselves in a position where they can't even remove the equipment demounting feature from WoT Plus since they've basically already advertised it as a feature. They'd either have to take a huge loss on the amount of people who will subscribe to it without the equipment demounting feature, or reduce the cost to compensate. I'm sure neither of those scenarios are acceptable for them so its just easier to ram it into the game as is.

QBs brain knew what it did when it made him write down "screw skills" instead of "crew skills" while thinking of the new crew skills and what effect bond vents will have on them 😅

Great points in the video! I'm a casual player, I do have some rough matches but I also have amazing ones where it feels like things are balanced and working well. To me, WoT Plus sounds like people who play for fun are being offered up as sacrifices for meta try hard folks who will be better in every conceivable way on paper. Yes, you can outplay these folks with a good flank or map knowledge but that only gets you so far if they can snap shot you into oblivion due to superior stats. I'll keep playing WoT until it feels hopeless, I like having it in my rotation of games but I agree that WoT Plus just seems like they're going too far. There are so many ways to spend money in this game and while it's possible to avoid a lot of it, it can be exhausting to feel like a good game is being crushed under the weight of constant money sinks. I've been looking into other tank games recently and Gunner, Heat, PC! has been a nice change of pace from WoT. It is a more realistic game but it's been fun to jump into armored action with no BS, no paywalls, just you and a tank causing havoc for the opposing force.

@Quickybaby/Will - Thank you for leading the way in fighting back against this insane so-called, "update", that will ruin this game. Well done!

WOT keep making WT look better update after update

Do you need to have normal premium activated to get prem plus? Or you can only use prem plus? If plus works without that...its 2€ cheaper than normal prem time per month.

The map blocking feature doesnt work anyways, i have 2 blocked that i still get all the time.

I really like how you actually think about the people who may not be able to afford the $9/mo extra. Yes, its ONLY $9 but there are a lot of players, like myself, who live on a very strict budget and that extra $9 may not be doable some months. As usual, ty for breaking it down for all of us and keep up the good work :)

The loss of the Russian market has clearly led to a cash crisis at WG.

I buy gold every 1 to 2 years, because sometimes you need it in the game and I have 80 million credits. I will not spend any money on a plus or a normal premium account. And if all these changes go through, I will stop playing this game. And thank you QB for informing us about these almost criminal changes.

As the saying goes "cause the problem, sell the solution"

Disagree with you about the 'pay to win' commentary. Yes there was always a 'Pay To Win' asset to the game, but it was only a very very minimal effect. This is now purely pay to win, so the 'average person' will have to spend about $15 euro per month. This will pull (I will estimate) around 60% of the player base out of the game, they will just be free targets. That is JUST on a monthly pay to win effect, but ontop of that, oh .. crew skills.. I currently have in excess of 400 crew members, at an average of 4 must-have skills per.. that means that I get to pay to win for 1200 purchases, nope definitely not doing that.

I feel you didn't touch on this sufficiently QB. But the TS-54 all-crew-allowed BS also means you never ever have to retrain crew again. You only need to train them once for the dedicated tank you want them to drive, and then never ever have to retrain it because you can just sling them into the TS-54 regardless.

aye there is a difference between a player owning everyone mainly due to skill and a guy owning anyone just because he bought some sort of premium monster tank

I think the gold inflation started with loot boxes, but this will only add to it.

This is why I believe QB is one of the best CCs when it comes to giving you a video about updates. Even though WoT+ is just filled with pay to win, even at the end of the video he doesn't fully condemn it, because he knows that Wargaming does this to make money, and simply telling them "don't make money then" isn't an option. He's able to compromise with some of the points and at the same time make it clear how stupid the other parts are, even if he's willing to accept them.

Thanks for the video QB. I've played WoT for almost 12 years and have never paid a cent (not kidding). I've always been F2P and play arty at least 80% of the time on the NA server. I'm a casual player with average skills. I've noticed a lot of stupid stuff that WoT has done especially in the last few years. It seems the upcoming update confirms my decision to be totally F2P. Not a big loss to stop playing then. I do feel bad about those that have invested money as it seems WoT is about just wanting P2W players to spend even more.

If they add the feature to demountable yor bond equipment. They should at least give the bonus slots the same effectiveness, like bond equipment

Me: nothing to watch. QB: posting a new video. Me: 🥳

RIp to WOT