A few corrections/additions as an experienced Akizuki captain: -With only 10 captain points you NEED concealment expert. NOT IFHE. Having a bit harder time to deal damage is secondary if you get outspotted when entering a cap and die -IFHE reduces your firechance by 1% not 3%. Due to the large volume of shells you can pump out your fire starting capabilities are very good (at base you are at 8 fires per minute compaired to eg. a Zao with 10 fires per minute and you profit more from demolition expert than a Zao) -Akizukis concealment is very competitive, you only get outspotted by other IJN DDs. Your 5.9 km concealment is on par (~100m) with high tier USN and Pan Asian DDs, so you are a very capable cap contester. -The only real downside of Akizuki if you have a 14 point or higher captain (which you should have) is her maneuverability. The large turning circle in combination with bad acceleration is the real challenge when playing her. When fighting other DDs their torpedos are far more dangerous than their guns. In a pure gunfight you kill almost all DDs.
A 10 pt captain with concealment instead of IFHE is very frustrating to play. I went into the Akizuki with a 10pt capt with concealment, after 10 games I respec'd him to IFHE. Yes it made it much harder for me to contest caps but I shifted my play style from cap contesting to cap support. Sit outside of a cap and support another DD that is contesting and you balance out the Akizuki's weakness while still having a good impact on the game. That being said though your very next capt skill should be concealment expert. I found that this approach worked well for me because with a 10pt conceal expert capt I found that most DD's would rush me as soon as they realized that I didn't have IFHE making contesting caps almost pointless.
i beg a differ sure i have a 19 point capt on it but i do not have concealment expect nor do i have the concealment upgrade on it but running the double rudder shift mod and i play it like a cruiser IFHE is a must on it so just forget concealment and battle cruisers and about caps thats when you work with other destroyers or cruisers and it works fairly well yes you get shot at alot but then aft and learn to lead the target
also the atlanta reload is 4.5 seconds, vs 3 on the aki, but it has a lot MORE and BIGGER guns, atlantas wreck akizuki at any range exept broadside at less then 4 km, but good luck if you try to get this close to an atlanta in a DD
I actually won a fight against a cleveland in my Akizuki yesterday. He was on like 25700 hp, and I was on 15800 hp. The AP is really good against light cruisers, esp at close range. I still had around 8k hp left after the fight.
And then you give'im demolitions expert(because fast-firing gun) and all of a sudden, you INCREASED the chance of fire by 1%. Adding signal fires, you can climb it higher. As for Akizuki vs. Atlanta, let's see. 8 guns vs 14, in a broadside. 100mm vs 127mm, which leads to 17mm vs 21mm penetration 13 to 20mm vs 6 to 89mm armor thickness. 11.25 seconds vs 7.2 seconds turn-time 99 meters vs 98 meters dispersion 20 vs 12 shots/minute 11 vs 11 klick range And, of course, a larger amount of damage from each round on the Atlanta. Ergo, unless you're a complete incompetent at the Atlanta, there is no way that it should, in any way, need to worry about the Akizuki.
SO what you're saying, Jingles, is that the regrettable WG nerf of Japanese destroyers continues-- no doubt in abiding revenge for the 1905 Battle of Tsushima.
Honestly, this was confuzzling, but the example at the end helped. The beginning was just like "Whaaaaa" but I stuck through it and was granted instant understanding. Thanks for the good videos Jingles!
I used Akizuki up to First League in Ranked (I've had it for a while before) I have a 19 skill captain and I do not waste my time using HE. IFHE is a waste of points in my opinion, I went for concealment expert and both AA 4-point skills. Akizuki's RoF plus it's shell velocity makes it's AP punish most ships, incluiding battleships (just aim for that superstructure)
Ahahaha that's exactly what happened to me. :D My only time where I've got both first blood AND kraken in the same game, I couldn't use up all my consumables and the heal went to shit as the game ended in like 1-2 mins afterwards. :"D Waste of Yamamoto.
The Kitakaze-class was planned with maximum speed of 36,7 knot - not as fast as the russians but they cheat, using test speed (no guns, ammunition, supplies and only skeleton crew) as maximum speed.
I've had some hilarious experiences fighting against the Akizuki. It holds a special place in my heart because it was probably the best North Carolina game I've ever had. At the very end of the match I was on about 1000 hp and an Akizuki tried to attack me, but because the poor sap didn't have IFHE, wasn't smart enough to fire AP, and wasn't lucky enough to get a fire; he just kept shooting me and shooting me doing no damage until I finally killed him.
to the grand old gnome i miss world of tanks vids like this, the old tank reviews from about 3/4 years back for example were and still are great. I can hope that maybe one day we'll see something like that.....a 45min tanks video...bliss :3
Same. Played it in beta and a bit after launch, but the same stupid grind and power-creep that cripples WoT enjoyment is also getting more and more prevalent in this game.
A suggestion Jingles, I like running survivability expert on most of my gunbotes, especially on one as large and slow as Akizuki. Gives me more hp to leverage to bully enemy DDs
Thanks Jingles. I enjoyed this video. Learned some new stuff. Each Country, Branch and ship require slight changes in play style to get the most out of them. Your comparison of speed and detection is useful info, even though I don't have any of the JPN Gunboat line, yet! Love to see more of these "Educational" video. "How to play the tier VIII US Cruiser Cleveland" would be a wonderful video. Show it stock and fully upgraded.
you're going to have to use minmax detection rather than excluding CE because those numbers are very confusing for us. for example, 5.4/5.5 on kagero sounds ALOT more familiar than 6km.
Yep, really annoying, but other youtubers do this too. Dunno why... they probably think these half assed numbers make any sense to average/poor players...
To be fair Jingles, the Akizuki-class were half a step away from being Light Cruisers instead of Destroyers. The plans for the Akizuki were originally a refit plan for the Tenryuu-class CL.
Actually Jingles, If you have a 14 point captain it is a different story. And boy what a massacre. One on One with a DD I'm the winner. including the Adrenalin rush perk one can put a hell of a fire power. I'm pretty happy to get the DD line extended as i have 180k exp on this ship :). Made my comment too soon - you explained it at the end of the video. ;)
Jingles, with the torpedo booster on this ship, may i suggest using it to start flooding to compensate for the low fire chance. For example, with that Bismarck, rather than wasting the booster on blind smoke, time it so that he has a second set of torpedoes to potentially cause flooding after the Bismarck burned his damage repair, meaning he has permanent flooding, something far more deadly than a permanent fire, also securing the kill for you probably and getting the liquidator medal.
The transit time on torpedoes prohibits the use of fire tactics with flooding weapons. Keep thinking flexibly though, this is how new tactics get created.
Hmmm.. Interesting. @The Mighty Jingles - Just had an epic ending in my Tirpitz. 5 kills all within 5 minutes of each other. Thought I was going to die, but I lived :D Sending to you for review!
I don't think that only using credits to retrain your commander and without using any Captain XP boosting flags you can get a 14 points captain when you reach the Akizuki starting from tier 1. I personally only had 13 points, and I'm fairly sure I used my share of captain XP signal flags.
Every time I reach t8, it's about 14 point and halfway to 15. It takes around 350k to reach tier 8 from tier, so if you have zulu hotel flag, you can get it. So ok you won't get 14 points for sure.
you basically need to use all captain xp camo and flag to boost your capt to 14 pts when you reach T8 not during T8, when you reach T8. normally for a unflagged or uncamoed ship, you only get 8 pts when reach T6, assuming you have 55% WR and only get first win and transistion your capt to the next ship asap, starting from tier 1. like many said, you need to use zulu hotel all the way from tier 1 to T8 to get 14 pts at or during T8
It's pretty much required to have a dedicated captain for Akizuki at AT LEAST 10 pts, or preferably 14+pts once you get her, but if you put in the investment, damn she's fun
An Akizuki captain doesnt work well with the shira tho. You either have to invest real money to respec or start a new captain, especially if you want to keep the shira.
I'm fairly certain that at Tier 8, you should have more than a 10 point captain in your Akizuki - if you don't, stay on the lower tiers and train your captain up before moving on. Yes, the retraining period gets longer, but this is the point where that 200,000 credit retraining acceleration fee comes in handy (or the full doubloon cost if you have more money than sense). When moving to another tier, you need to be prepared to fit your ship out so that it can compete (which is why with my Independence, I'm currently grinding credits to buy all the upgrades from the start and training my captain before I move onto Ranger)
And I played one battle in it today just for you Jingles. We lost but I did 1500+ base xp and 142k damage. And yeah... I have a 14pt captain. I have a lot of 10+ pt captains... cause I actually play this pretty regularly. :P
Hey Jingles, Not sure if you play Battletech or heard of it at all, but there is a new version that was released on STEAM a few hours ago. It is like XCOM which we all see you play combined with Giant Robots that are like the new tanks of the battlefield when this takes place. Give it a look if you want.
i have an Akizuki with IFHE and never noticed less fires, the guns reload fast enough to to saturate targets. The only problem i have with this ship is it''s length
That's because for a few months now, IFHE only reduces the fire chance by 1% for guns of 139mm caliber and less. Throw in demolition expert and signal flags, and you still have 3% more fire chance than stock value (i.e. 8% total).
my main issue I get in akizuki is that opposed to what is seen in many of those YT videos everytime I get spotted every single enemy ship with line of fire on me fires on me.... which was funy when I was watching one of flamu's videos for akizuki and in the early cap contest he lights up and barely anyone shoots back on him and I was like "why the heck no one is shooting at him, I'd be blown out of the water by that time in my aki...."
You know it's a Jingles video when he takes 7 minutes to explain what IFHE does. And also when he doesn't get around to the real point of the video (new DDs) until almost 80% of the way thru the video. I hope he never changes.
Researched and bought the Aki today. It's a good and fun ship, but in Terms of maneuverability it feels like you're dragging a dead horse wrapped in velcro and strapped to an anchor over a another velcro-strip.
I have yet to get to Akizuki, but this is also good for to know for the Harekaze, which can choose those same 100mm guns. So I guess it's better to pick the 128mm guns until I have a 14 point captain there.
Worth noting is that Harekaze with the B hull needs IFHE almost as much as Akizuki. I say almost, because she's faster, sneakier and is less reliant on her guns.
Oh it's not only the Akizukis. The new USN light cruisers will ALSO NEED IFHE to not only reliably damage tier 8 and up battleships, but also tier 8 and up heavy USN and German cruisers with 27mm plating. So just like the Akizuki, this means that you will need a 14 point captain (CE will be necessary on these very squishy cruisers) to even begin to play those ships at tiers 8 through 10. :/
Where did you get this info? Last time I checked the new t10 was a copy Des Moines, while the t9 was a Baltimore(ish) with more guns... Cleveland was the same, just in higher tier and buffed.
You're thinking the heavy cruiser line. Remember that it's being split in two. On the other side of the coin, we're getting light cruisers all the way to tier 10, all of which are using the 152s.
I actually used to play the Akizuki without IFHE, because the skill wasn't in the game yet. It's perfectly doable, you just need to rely on your AP more, 100mm AP will wreck Enemy DDs or anything really, not having IFHE can work, it just needs more skill
Jingles, you should do guides or "how to play/what to expect" videos on t8 and above ships, I learnt a lot from this video, many thanks!! Also I love your war stories and history vids :)
Trust me, while Jingles is a great entertainer, if you want reliable info and gameplay advise, you're really better off watching Flamu, iChase or Notser. (There are probably others as well, but I do not know them)
yea...but everything sounds better in Jingles's voice, even bad news sounds great when coming from Our Gnome Overlord.....what was that? quadrauple shift in the mines you say? Why Thank you Jingles.
10 pts captain is NOT enough for Akizuki. You need at least 14 pts to have both CE and IFHE. Grind other ships and come back to this ship with a 14 pts captain.
when u dont yet have 14 points...concealment is better. your AP is so good that u can eat anyone that doesnt angle properly...and many dont. IFHE is still useful for those cases, just not useful as concealment.
I do agree that Concealment is the first priority. What I'm trying to explain is, that you can get much more out of a 10pts captain in another ship(like Kagero or Harekaze) and put it back to Akizuki when it gets to 14 pts. With a lesser than 14 pts captain you are not playing the ship to its full potential, actually, you are playing it in a severely handicapped setup.
They might want to give the Harugumo a choice between 100 and 127 mm guns (four turrets in the case of the latter). Why? Because it would add variety and because we're already in fantasy ship territory.
Ognevoi, better known as T-VIII Minekaze, has an abysmal surface detection range of 7.7km unmodified. You can get this down to a respectable and workable 6.3km, but why bother? You get 10km range torpedoes irrespective of what hull you use, and the upgraded hull does nothing to warrant a stealth build anyway. The best way to play this torpedoboat is as a gunboat. No, hear me out. She has awesome guns which can reach out and punch somebody at 14.4km. Her rudder shift can be an excellent 2.3sec with an 8sec turret rotation time. This makes her perfect as an active scout. Her problem is that her torpedoes are _slow_ at only 58kt. They're best used as area denial weapons and for flushing smoke screens. But, by playing her as a gunboat, you can deliberately stay at range and remain under constant fire without worrying too much about being hit, while also delivering very satisfying chip damage with her AP or HE shells. Why do I mention this? Because Akizuki plays in a very similar fashion. You're a _support_ ship and an active scout who happens to have torpedoes most suitable for use as area denial weapons.
A point Jingles didn't mention, Non AA specced Akizuki is food for a competent carrier player. Her maneuverability nor speed are not enough to dodge airdropped torpedoes.
OH Mighty Jingles...the problem you highlight with the Akizuki is exactly why I bought it, fully kitted it out with modules/upgrades/camo/signal flags/premium consummables, played one game in it, and then sold it for scrap. LMAO
You missed out on an awesome ship. Once you have those 14 skill points (IFHE and Concealment Expert), this ship is a beast. Probably one of my favorite DDs, along with the Yugumo with torp reload consumable and 12km torps.
Maybe so...now that there is an incentive to keep going with the Aki, maybe I will give it a chance...but there was no way I was going to play that piece of shit just to play it.
My friend was telling me how his dad was walking between two tables carrying a plate, and his cat jumped from one table, to the plate, and on to the next table. “If it’s stupid but it works!”
I have so many 10pt+ IJN captains and I still won't put one on the Akizuki.. The situation around 13:45 is pretty typical for an Akizuki game. It's a wonderful ship to focus fire.
Story time! Had a game in my Harekaze (100 mm guns, 16 p cap, IFHE and full stealth build). Bumped into a Akizuki. I saw him first and I thought "If he doesn't have IFHE he's gonna use AP" so I angled up and opened up. He used AP. Long story short: He took me for 3k, I took him for 16k. My plan is to keep the Akizuki and it's captain were they are (have 158k XP and 18 p cap on it) and let the Harekaze cap follow the road to T10.
Akizuki needs a heavy investment in order to be as competitive as other destroyers, but there are literally no other destroyers I am afraid of in a 1v1 fight in my Akizuki, outside of the Khab, but that's a cruiser. And anything french or british, but that's what they're designed for. However, I must say, you're doing it wrong. She excels in knife fights due to her 1000m/s velocity guns, but that speed drops off very quickly outside of 7 kilometers. This is actually a good thing, as outside of this range, her guns behave much like the Atlanta guns, giving her the opportunity to fire over islands. You literally spam with impunity like this, and I commonly get 100k damage games in her. I love this destroyer with a split personality, and I am so ready for the T9 and 10.
You still should be very scared of a KM DD, especially the 9 and 10 ones. They have really fast loading torps, which an Aki is ill equipped to dodge in a knife fight. The smoke+hydro combo also is a deadly threat. And they have good guns to fight you with, and a 15% bigger hp pool. (Most of the) Same goes for a LoYang. I love my akizuki and it is a huge threat to most DDs, but it's not the strongest 1v1.
I treat every ship I come across as a threat, but I'm not as concerned about the 46 and 52 as I am of other ships. I've run my Akizuki enough to know what it can and can't do, and yes, while the KM DDs are dangerous in the hands of a good player, they simply can't match the Aki in dps, especially at close range and with such accuracy. I tend to kite away during a knife fight, so I have time to dodge around torps if they turn broadside enough to launch them - I always switch to AP during this window, so even if they do, I've slapped them for 10k damage right there. Ammo selection is crucial, even with IFHE. 100mm may be small, but you can still citadel cruisers at close range. She performs the best around midrange though, 6 to 8 kilometers, where she still has the killer gun velocity while still being able to maneuver. Always save speed boost for moments like this. The Aki has her limits, but they can be mitigated. Except for torps. She hates torps. And anything british or french.
Well, one the issues with the Aki is it's terrible maneuverability & speed, much worse than a Z. And you're a little over-confident about DPM: while the Aki out-DPMs the Z46/52 on HE noticeably, they're even on AP. And if you don't give full broadside to use all 4 turrets, then the Zs can pretty much match your DPM with HE, and severely out DPM you with AP - you give up half of your turrets by angling, and the Z will only give up 1/3rd of its, so you end up with a 4 v 4 gun fight, rather than the 6 v 8 normally. And you really don't want to end up in a position where the Z can AP you while you can only HE the Z, because you'll loose badly. Not that it can't be done, of course, but you really should be worried about fighting a Z in a knife fight, particularly if you're not already moving at near full speed. And especially since they have a 200m concealment advantage, you're less likely to be able to dictate the engagement situation.
Man I wish Jingles still did reviews/ videos on new tanks in WoT. Be very interested to see what he thinks of the Progetto, whilst I've got the discount on the go..
Jingles you could´ve smoked up at your position and finished that Bismarck within 2 minutes, and thats just if noone else was firing at it. You are underestimating the devastating of RNG on that 5% chance combined with the Rate of fire on this little monster.
I am currently doing a research paper on one of Atlanta's Sisters USS San Diego CL-53,which is and was a Light AA Cruiser fought with TF-38 and 58 and served as a Fast Carrier Task Force Ship protecting US Aircraft Carriers in the Pacific Theatre From 1942-1945. In 1946 She was decommissioned and Reclassified CLAA-53 on March 1,1949. USS San Diego was sold for Scrap at Todd Shipyards In December 1960. P.S. To The Mighty Jingles, If you want to find out more about USS San Diego CL-53 You can go to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_San_Diego_(CL-53)
I have a 18 point captain for my Akizuki and frankly it NEEDS it. The rewards are stellar for it but getting there is a bitch. The biggest thing I can say about the Aki is that it shines in ranked and team play. Mixing 2 aki's with a Edinburgh or a Z-23 is hellish to fight,chain smoking, sonar/radar detection and rapid firing guns that can all around melt anything with rapidity other than BB's but hey guess what your torps are for. Add in the amassed AA potential that could easily delete torp bombers and you have a solid well round team that is quick and stealthy enough to engage and run from any concentrated CA push as well as dictate the movements of the other team with withering fire and educated use of torps. The key to using a Aki is precision, this is NOT a lazy ship to use but it is one of the most rewarding ships to use for the skill level it demands
Jingles we can hear you clicking through a wiki to get those stats in the beginning. How dare you not have them memorised mister WoW liscenced gamer! ;)
Just recently got into the game, discovered it after watching the Cold Waters videos which were excellent. Was wondering where the HMS Warspite and various other premium ships are as I can't locate them in the premium shop. Are they still available and if so, where.
so whats light and heavy cruisers? i just started wows after watch jingles vids on the game. and whats a good cruiser line to go [ maybe something heavy cuz i just started maybe something with torps too:)]
As primarily a cruiser player, any Akizuki captain who wants to start a gun fight with a tier 8+ radar cruiser (Neptune, Minotaur, Baltimore, Des Moines, Etc) I look forward to the meeting. Unlike your training room, I shoot back.
Id be happy to 1v1 your Mino or Neptune in my Aki or harekaze. Can we keep the engagement range below 8KM however? Just need to make sure that you can't penetrate my deck :) True story: enemy had a smoke and radar Mino division, didn't keep track of them correctly, got radared by the div, both Mino started spamming me at sub 5km, lost less than 4K of HP as 95% of the shells just harmlessly bounced xD.
Only concern I have is the concealment on the upcoming tier X. An extra gun is nice to have (though hardly necessary, even the Akizuki out-dpms every DD it can meet with the exception of the Khabarovsk (and even then, if that Khaba gives her a nice broadsice, the AP dpm WILL let the Khabarovsk). The competitive concealment on the Akizuki is what makes her such a great DD hunter-killer, because it can apply her amazing dpm without being outspotted by miles. Going to have to see how WG wants to balance their phantasy design, but I'm a bit sceptical. Personally I would've preferred to bump Akizuki to tier IX with a couple softstat buffs like better turning radius and acceleration, maybe Defensive AA as a consumable choice and then have the Super-Akizuki design as the tier X. There's plenty of tier VIII material to chose from the IJN destroyer designs (build or blueprints) without having to resort to making up a ship entirely on their own as the tier X.
Actually you can make an inexperienced Khaba captain shit his/her little girly pink pants at close range. I did it once with a friend, ganging up together with 2 t8 DDs against 1 Khaba. It was fun, I have to tell. How he kept running from us was a sight to behold. xD
