World of Warships - Damage Isn't Everything 

"The Hindenburg is good at burning down other ships". Well, with a name like that...

I can explain why he wasn’t shooting at the kleber. At more than 10k away, hitting a french DD is damn near impossible, chatbonk probably thought that his shells and damage are better spent on things he can kill and consistently damage rather than shooting at a DD far away that he couldn’t possibly hit.

"Would the Kleber have survived that encounter?" Probably, because given the long range and high speed of the Kleber, ChatBonk would probably have just missed his salvos at the destroyer instead of doing damage. "Open water" doesn't mean "sitting duck" when it's something as fast as the Kleber like Jingles seems to be insinuating.

the fact that he just got more base xp than the mvp of the winning team is just insane. it's uncommon to see that (well at least for me)

Hey team, can ya be a tea- Oh, and half of them are dead.

"There's a Klebeeeeer over there Chatbog" Yeah... a Kleber at 14km kiting away, those two salvo's he could have fired at it would've been nothing but wasted DPM and fire starting potential. He made the right call shooting at Yamato. Edit: Him continueing to shoot at Shikishima is fucking unforgivable though, that almost made me entirely delete this comment.

Have you tried hitting a Kleber at 13.5km moving at full speed? With the HE saturation, the few hits he might have scored on the Kleber wouldn't have done anything.

Jingle, don't you know that you'll probably need another monitor or have a widescreen monitor to actually aim at the kleber,and of course has a godlike aiming skill

I would make the same choice not to shoot at the DD. Given the choice between a BB he is guaranteed to kill with his DPM (while also helping a teammate) or a DD that is insanely fast at the distance it was, the BB is the better call in my mind. Why shoot at something and not hit it while something else is right in front of you and you CAN help take them out.

to be fair, on ranges above 10km, the Kleber is freaking hard to hit due to her insane speed. Shooting the Yamato was probably the better choice because he was sure to hit the Yamato.

11:56 that enemy des mones is a member of the "-TOG-" clan.

Got to love the guy in chat who's complaining about USN not getting good ships in a while when Alaska, Ohio and Georgia exist. And 'Des Moines is bad now'. Really?

This game is a pretty good example of the power of CVs. Notice how the red CV didn't fly a single plane on ChatBonk's side of the map the entire game? And notice too how the other flank got annihilated? Being constantly spotted and having to dodge bombs/torpedos - and losing your angles - weakens ships much more than just the damage actually done by the CV.

Personally I would always shoot the dd unless it is to secure a kill on a fleeing target or to reset a cap. However that cv was guilty of stealing kills on an already dead ships rather than focusing elsewhere.

It can't be just me but of late Jingles hosting a replay video has the volume so quiet I have to turn my headphones to near max to hear him, yet any advertisement pops up and I nearly go deaf. :P

16:25 "every aircraft carrier sunk in real life was set on fire" IJM Shōkaku and IJM Unryū - torpedoed by US submarine (no fires) HMS Ark Royal, HMS Eagle and HMS Courageous - torpedoes by German submarine (no fires) HMS Glorious - Sunk by gunfire from German battleships Scharnhorst and Gneisenau. (lost due to flooding not fires) USS Hornet and USS Lexington - Had to be sunk by friendly fire after excessive battle damage USS Wasp and USS Yorktown - Sunk by IJN submarines. Maybe The Mighty Jingles is thinking about what happened to the IJN Taihō, where bad damage control allowed the ship to be filled with gasoline fumes turning the ship into a fuel air bomb. But that was bad training and damage control management as the torpedo strike should not have resulted in the massive explosions that happened.

I think the CV had more to play in the loss than the Hindy...

and this is the problem with "teams" in WOT, most do not play to win, they play to do damage

The CV should've went for the Kleber a long time ago instead of wasting planes on other ships. There is no way in hell he can hit a Kleber 14km away without railguns.

Oh come on Jingles! This is even quieter than usual!

I have never once used the Priority Target skill, I think it's a waste of points.

In this case I would not be so harsh with ChatBonk. He just ran out of time due to his team failing hard. The Shima at A got killed by the Kleber because he went into the open cap though the Kleber was spotted near A. Kurfürst and Montana pushed into the 7 enemies at A and died. So ChatBonk had to retreat while working them down. And that takes a while. Meanwhile 7 ships including two radar ships were parking at C and got farmed by the Yamato and Shikishima when they could have gone west to contest B. 4 minutes into the battle they took C and two slow enemy BBs were on the 10 line. That's two BBs that would have never been able to do anything if the whole lemming train had gone west to crush the crippled enemy fleet there.

Damage isn't everything? That's like saying salt mines production isn't everything.

Hindi is my favorite ship to play. Got called a useless coward during a the ranked Arms Race season while scoring 270k dmg, 4 kills, 75k spotting dmg, 2.6 million pot dmg and successfully brawled and sank a Yamato and a Montana. I also found out that HE is not work it against British BBs. Their superstructure is so damn large and vulnerable that AP will do the trick. Range mod brings range up to roughly 21km and at 19.5km I scored a 16k volley on a Conq that called me a cheater for it. 9 hits and only 1 ricochet.

Jingles is much more confident in his ability to consistently hit a kleber at 14km than I am. I get the feeling this Hindenburg captain wasn't quite so optimistic about his accuracy either.

Why is the audio so low?

14:19 I wonder if that building really exists, it’s quite lovely.

❤Definitely the best Jingles video of the year...and that's absolutely EVERYTHING!!🤓

Wish my Hindy had that fire chance with all the flags and skills I put on her :c

Every time Jingles features a Hindenburg it ends in defeat.

its easy to backseat drive but if you have a DD in your sights and especially if he is the only target you have, you have to go for it because they will come back and bite your ass if they are given the chance!

Well, I don't know either if it was wrong of ChatBonk to not shoot the Kléber even when he had nothing else to shoot at but luckily there is a simple rule that applies to this situation: Cruisers are never to blame. THEY can cry about their BBs not helping them when they are literally too slow to keep up with them, they can cry about their DDs not capping even though they only have 1k health leaft and a fighter squadron is keeping overwatch over the cap, they can even blame their CVs for not doing everything at once. But a cruiser is never to blame

So, finishing up this video and listening to Jingles talk about Chatbonk not shooting at the Kleber, come out of full screen and look at my "up next" list ... see I Chase Gaming's post from 3 days previous (that's the 24th October) titled "Always Headpat SMOL boats"

Dude that tip about priority target is already helping me

Thank you Jingles. I watch a SHIT ton of Flambass videos, and he ALWAYS uses the 'torpedo aiming device' but 'never' fires his torpedoes...all this time I thought he was doing that to RANGE his target, but, now I know....he's doing that to tell which direction the ship is going.....youlearnsomethingneweveryday....

I think that a CV not actively hunting DDs (especially DDs that can not hide in smoke like Kleber) is much more of a reason to lose a game as a Cruiser not taking every Salvo he can get on that DD. You have to take into account that the Kleber was not that close and that this thing can do more than 50 knots with engine boost activated. So even if he had shot the Kleber, he most probably would have missed. On the other hand, the Richthoven is a german CV and the only weapon that can do effective damage against a DD is its torpedo bombers. And while the torpedos are fast and have a better chance of hitting a DD than torpedos of the other nations CVs, its still quite difficult to land them, especially against a Kleber which is around as fast as the torpedos. But nevertheless he could have at least tried it. The problem is that many people without much CV-experience are trying the german CVs, which are in my opinion a CV-class for experienced players, not for starters. If you are a CV-rookie, you should start perhaps with US-CVs, then japanese and brits and finally germans last, because they are the most difficult to handle.

Damage isn’t everything? Ya mean kills aren’t everything? Cause I’m looking at you Flexseal, That’s a lot of Damage!

those famous armored fireproof American battlecarriers bouncing 8in HEs from the deck and launching CAPs at the same time

Regarding the decision to focus down the BBs over the Kleber, it was the right choice to make simply for the fact the BBs were far easier kills than a nearly full health Kleber at mid-range would ever be. Yes, a byproduct means farming more damage, but at that point of the battle the right choice was to get the easiest kills

Have you ever tried to hit a French DD at 14km, damn near impossible.

When a Hindy is shooting at your BB, it seems to have a pretty good fire chance.

Commenting on all of jingles videos until he posts a new assassins creed odyssey video part 2 electric boogaloo

Everyone's saying it's hard to hit a Kleber at 10 km at full speed and under boost, but I've hit 15 km shots from my Montana fairly reliably given zooming out, and also nomogram sights, and relying on the Kleber captain's overconfidence in their speed to the point they don't maneuver, and "oh it's a battleship, they're never gonna hit me."

Jingles video, time to turn up the audio by 20%.

He also almost blew it with the Des Moines before capping A. He went into that fight with 40K to the DMs 26K and belatedly noticed that he too was giving a whole lot of broadside to USN superheavy AP. Other than that I have to agree with everybody else in the comments about the Kleber. Apart from the opportunity instead of killing the Shikishima, all the other shots before would've been pretty much pointless...

I like the German cruisers; they're proper Jack-of-all-Trades; they can do almost everything other cruiser lines can do, it's juts other lines are specialised in one aspect and do that aspect better. Hinde especially is a useful cruiser in almost any situation a player can encounter. The 1/4 HE pen mechanic does help them do a surprising amount of damage as well, even if the ability to set actual fires is lacking. Definitely one of my favourite ships.

In the first part of the video, I sort of got the impression that by sharing his HE damage around, targeting ships with no fire, that was a good idea, but would have been better if he had set fires and then gone back to focussing one ship down.

Proudly sends jingles the game of his life. Puts him in the 400k club and gets ripped by jingles who has never even joined the 300k club.

For me, the reason not to shoot at the Kleber is that outside of 6 or 7 km, they are so fast that the shots are basically wasted. I hate shooting at French and Russian dd's and I basically won't do it if they are more than 10 km away no matter what ship I'm in because then I'm spotted and taking fire, but doing no damage.

Jingles, is it me or does the sound on this video sound is very low? Lol

Cripes, could you not have the camera doing the ZOOM IN ZOOM OUT ZOOM IN ZOOM OUT nausea dance?

That must be one the highest damage games ever, not just that I have seen?

There's something slightly morbid about a ship named Hindenburg dispensing mass quantities of fire damage.

CB shall have a lot of praise for the ridiculous number of damage.. The problem was in his eager to make damage, he forgot rule nr one: always try to finish of a ship if you can. The BBs just fell back and heal up some of the damage he had done. Remember that KM HE has low alpha compared to other, so you can heal up much of what was lost. Not sure if he could've kept some of the team-mates on A alive since some did some questionable plays. But i believe he might have won if he had finished of some of the ships instead of farming.

The 10 second intro is SO much better! I watch older videos as well, as a new viewer. Of course I... skip ahead past the intro most of the time

(Fires a salvo at the Kleber)He never shot at the Kleber(as it goes unspotted)!

This video taught me that Jingles has no clue what a Kleber is

The Japanese supercarrier Shinano was sunk at the end of WWII by submarine torpedoes and flooding, not fire.

I don't know, shooting slow reloading guns at a Kleber, I can understand why he was hesitant, given the French saturation benefit too.

Damage isn't everything, but that amount of damage still made him topscore for both teams. And a million credits on a tech tree tier ten on a loss? Fuck it I'll take a loss every day like that, fuck my win ratio

Honestly, shooting that Kleber at that distance was probably a huge waste of DPM, Killing that Yamato was the right call as he could ensure hits and damage on that target. Don't forget that long range shots against any DD's is a gamble, especially if its French and doing the RUNNNN AWAAAAAAAY thing

Watching this was infuriating. Not because of the high damage loss, or the target selection. It's infuriating, because my Hindenburg is the primary target of every team in existence. Spotted, not moving, and not getting shot at? How does that happen? Showing the smallest amount of side to a BB without taking 30k damage, while not altering course or speed? How does that happen!? Oh, and a battleship without fire prevention? Congrats on the damage mark, but share that "please don't shoot me" technology.

i am only watching this before my world of warships game finishes downloading

Wows players: Gunnery crew to captain: Hey, we don’t know how the target is moving. Captain to torpedo crew: Hey, how is the target moving? Torpedo crew to captain: (Takes a look and make some calculations) Oh the target’s moving this way. Captain to gunnery crew: Target’s moving this way. Gunnery crew: (fires)

Jingles, do you play light cruisers with high arc shells? Because 10km out and further it's basically impossible to hit a fast DD with those kinds of guns.

His scroll zooming was making me sea sick

"Every CV that was sunk IRL was sunk due to fire." Yorktown?

the kleber hard to hit and so on...BUT someone who enters a battle just to farm damage, is there for his/hers ego only and not to help the team by working together and killing the biggest threats on the enemy team. Another reason for why many battles turnout badly for players that may do well and work as a team...

Not focusing down ships was the loss, had little to do with not shooting the Kleber and everything to do with taking his time killing ships who weren't taking their time killing back.

When a battleship loses a gunfight to a heavy cruiser... ya theres a reason why nobody ever wants to push up in bbs. Sad thing is that montana loses harder the farther away he gets.

Chat had AT LEAST three kills stolen from him after causing a good 95% damage to those ships. That CV driver was just WAITING for the easiest of kills to say "Yeah!! I'm good!! I got three kills!!" After causing less than 5k total damage!!

Jongles, when you are 300 pts behind and that a blattleships presents itself as the perfect target, surrounded and vulnerable, kill it because the enemy team will lose more points, killing the Kleber at that point would have been hazardeous and he wouldn't have time to fully kill it anyway between the islands. The CV was stupid though, he focused what had the most AA firepower first instead of focusing the Fr DD who basically has next to no AA at all. He lost many aircraft for nothing, once the DD is destroyed Hindenburg and CV would have made short work of the Midway regardless. That being said, I still would have tried to fire at the Kléber, at least one salvo at each occasion before terrain got in the way. With Lutjens, he has sufficient rate of fire for that kind of target switching. And to be fair, the Kléber used terrain to his advantage as well but he survived mainly because the CV didn't focus him. Let's face it, having two Des Moines in front of you is enough to make a cruiser player play safe, one Des Moines showing broadside nearly killed him with only HE, he would have killed him with AP regardless of the angle, given how OP Des Moines shells are.

This triggers my nerd rage just watching the video. Players playing not to win, but to pad their stats. I have guild mates who constantly run up great damage numbers, bitch when their team loses, and point at their damage and say "I can only carry so much". Don't complain about losing if you are not playing to win.

at least one salvo (shot not taken) against the kleber was free in that he did not shoot again for close to 7 seconds. that is hindsight I agree. but at that time the destroyer was the only enemy ship spotted...

What is the damage maximum for the Hindeburg? It seems like he was going for the highscore

Every cruiser if played right can be a good HE spammer,not only Smolensk

I look on the flip side. Say he choose to target the Kleber and not the Yamato or Shika, and got the Kleber to 1/4 health or 1/2, but then there is still a Yamato and Shika out there. Now would that be worth it? This game could have been the reverse in that you say "he targeted the Kleber for minimal damage when he could have taken out 2 other ships." Hard to say, I am not good at hitting Kleber out of 10km range, so I would be hesitant as well.

If only they made a spin off from this game. Imagine having battles with 74 gun sailing ships 😍. I'd guess that it'd only need a few tweaks to the mechanics of how and where they can sail 🤷‍♂️

Not a world of warships player but do enjoy watching the replays. but I do have a question on this, at the end there why didn't he go full speed close the distance on the carrier and torp him? they seem to do the most damage and might have bought some time it would seem?

For the most part, unlike reality a damaged ship is still as powerful as a full health ship. The only red ship that cannot do damage to your team is a dead one. Ships with heals are much harder to kill if you do it slowly. Do a lot of damage but still loose, can be a result.

About the richtofen not going after the kleber. What exactly is he supposed to do? Cvs dont play support cuz theres no reward for it, the kleber would have to be medically dead to get hit by torpedo bombers, and the only other munitions are AP. This is more an indictment of CV design being shit but still.

in any other cruiser yes its hard to hit Kleber at 12 km .. but in Hindenburg its a diff story due to its shell velocity... not saying he lost just because of that … there were probably 11 others ships who contributed as well.. but as Mr. jingles said ,yes he should have gone for Kleber .Every tiny bit of damage done to a dd makes her more vulnerable of the next counter and the less health a dd had more cautious or scared a dd is while engaging another time.

So... probably a dumb question, but I don't really play World of Warships, I just watch Jingles. What does BB and DD mean? Is there a similar term for Cruisers, or no? If so, what is it?

The BIGGEST Factor, is no one else did their job on his team!

16:58 He shot at the Kleber the first time he had an opportunity at 14:14...and missed.

Cruisers not doing their job of shooting at DDs when they can. CVs ignoring DDs. We see that all too often. And the result? The team that loses its DDs first usually loses the match.

Hey Jingles, I have only been playing World of Warships for about a couple of months, and am by my own admission a "Potato" (as per your definition 43% in Random Battles). I have been watching and subscribed to your channel for quite a while (Hence I started playing the game) since my undergrad degree was in History......and I'm a retired US Navy officer. Been trying to learn from your videos (Thank you very much by the way), but it seems that Random Battles suddenly got much more difficult. I admittedly have to 'unlearn' habits of always go forward, and shoot anything available (Enemy assumed) and think I've progressed substantially....but have no idea how to work better in Randoms. Any advice???

Every time your say "Hindenburg" I think that Wargames have finally introduced zeppelins.

I've always prioritized shooting DDs when playing cruisers.

I almost never use priority target skill only on a few DD where it's useful. But you can make fool nearly everyone who use it, just by pressing X while aim him, and the fool just think there are torps on the way.

Well, I think I'm not the only one who has at one point tried to hit a Kleber in open water with speed boost active, but cant hit the darn thing.

AKCHULLY JINGLES... The priority target skill *does* indicate someone aiming at you with their torps. The thing that gives away that someone is switching from guns to torps is that there will be about 1 second where the person has neither gun nor torpedo lock on you - and the priority target skill shows this by displaying that stopped targeting you for 1 second. And the bombers did about 11,000 damage to claim the kill on the Montana. Also, I think you are being a bit harsh on Chatbonk re. that Kleber - when he switched to the Yamato, the Kleber was 13.5km away. When it popped up again, it was at 12km and headed away. Those shots were unlikely to do much damage.

Hey Jingles got a dumb question what's your favorite ship for each available nation maybe you could turn it into a short series and rattle off a little a little historical background for each one and maybe if Drachinifel isn't to busy he could collab with you and guest star on each other's channels world of tanks spin off would be cool to with the chieftain if you all could do a three way collab so much the better I understand it's not likely to happen with how busy you good gentle men can be but and idea up for suggestion if you want this way you help help generate views off of each other. I also understand that timezones would be and issue for the chieftain.. ok rant over

I would like to see Jingles to hit a Kleber from 15 km..

cant really blame him for not shooting the kleber, since at 13km the kleber could easily just dodge the shells, whereas every other target was bigger and slower, and usually closer so he can guarantee hits on them. you could argue that his damage doesn't really count as much as it should since fire damage heals pretty well so he wasn't causing the enemy to have as large of a net hp loss as if the damage was done by the actual shells

8:03 he can't go undetected: the Monty is within 12 km of him (12.6 concealment on his Hindenburg) and closing in, and the Hindi is kinda slow, as we've established. In that situation a slow kite is definitely the best option: the difference in effective DP is huge, and that's not an Ohio with the fearsome secondaries, it's just a Monty. 9:30 that's not a won flank: the enemy capped and passed through, he's been pushed way South and isn't even in range of any of them... Also, honestly, who cares about the Kleber? It's hardly going to torp anyone: if he opens up with the guns again, *then* shoot him. But in the meantime it was much more urgent to sink a Shikishima (fearsome guns, great AA, possibly good secondaries) that was contesting a cap as well. The Shikishima was relevant, the Kleber was not.

Cruiser's choosing BB's over DD's is a common issue in WoWs. Stating that he didn't take the shot because of range doesn't go very far when you see the context of the whole video and becomes clear, like most cruiser players, he's more interested in farming BB fires then actually doing his job. There's nothing in this video that makes me believe he would have shot at that DD if was any closer. He chose to ignore because that's what Cruiser players do.

I (a BB player) think players like him are the third biggest reason to why a team lose. Ignoring low health ships and destroyers to farm dm. The rest of the team who can shoot, mainly battleships, have to waste so many salvos to overkill low health ships or miss against dds. He in particular did make upp for that with sheer amount of dmg and was not responsible for losing, but had he cared less about farming dmg he could have been responsible for the victory. Second biggest reason to a loss is enemies simply being better. Main reason for losses is that everyone can fail their way to T10.

If you're given the chance, shoot the DD, especially with as many HE shells as the Hindy throws out.

But dear Jingles, despite the Kleber scenario, we cannot at any time, doubt a guy who lay DMG more than 8 TIMES it´s own HP. He virtually sunk 4 GK and more!!!!