@@kevinwebster7868 Yes, there's a lot of players better than him. No, that doesn't make him a hack. For the 'amazing' games to happen, you need dumb players. Nobody is claiming he's the absolute best WoWS player to ever exist. Even the best players in WoWS history won't have 'amazing' games against good players, Hence why they're good players. If they weren't good players, they wouldn't have 'amazing' things happen to them. They'd be smart enough to take precautionary action against, say, 3 battleships going down the middle or a low health Leander getting 2 OP cruisers at perfect broadside
Actually Jingles, on the 24th of July, 2018, you published a video in which Kelorn did 411,000 damage in his IJN Yamato. So it isn't the most damage you've seen. It's most probably the 2nd largest damage number you've seen. So there you go. Imma go back to the salt mines now...
Staying calm and doing the maths in a stressfull situation, realising they were never going to win on points either way, sinking the Salem against the odds... -Sorry, that's not stupid -at least in my book. Shimas play was actually, legitimately 5000 IQ.
Nah, just think ahead! If the shima didn't kill the Salem, it would have been a loss for sure -just do the maths! Also take into consideration: by the time the Z-52 would cap A, the Salem would be at C -and negate any points coming in from there. Even if the Shima had capped it...
he could have just capped and played safe WHILE also torping the salem. this would make sure he wins AND give him a good chance of doing more dmg. Z can easily take B if salem survives to go to C
@@cobrazax If there were 10mins left, that might have worked. But not with less than 2 minutes... The Z-52 had to fully cap A first, he'd never make it to B in time! And even if he did -what does it matter when the enemy team has accumulated a ~40 points lead? It came down to: either the Salem dies RIGHT NOW or lose the match. And how is the Shima supposed to ever "play safe" against a radar cruiser? :D The Shima has only one chance - element of surprise.
Sometimes replays are like sailing, if it’s all smooth and sunny you’re having a great time but not a lot to talk about; whereas if there’s a pirate speedboat trying to get on your ship to evade an entire naval task force in the middle of two merging cyclones, it’s hell - but also one hell of a story TLDR arty replays - “it’s boring unless something goes horribly wrong” - Jingles, probably
Shimakaze captain needs to be fully complemented for carrying the team and possibly a superb understanding of end game tactics. If the Shimakaze flips C and the Salem flips B, the Salem still has a 2 cap lead. Now let's check the clock. The Shimakaze had enough of a lead capping that it would likely have picked up 9, possibly 12, points. That still leaves them behind by at least 9 points. Then they start falling behind on points again until Hurricane gets to the A with about 95s left in the match. Take 60s to flip and now they only have 35s to reclaim the 9 points plus the 55s which the Salem would have 2 caps to their 1. As 55s of extra points beats 35s of extra points, swapping caps and running was a guaranteed lose for Hurricane's team. The point is that once the Salem capped B, the only way for Hurricane's team to win was by killing the Salem. I'm not the Shimakaze captain. It is possible he was a derp and left the cap (cough "stupid"), wanted to try to be the hero of the match (which he was) (cough "reckless") or just saw red and the opportunity to attack (cough "oblivious"). It is also possible he was smart enough to do some quick math and recognize that the Salem had to be killed ("smarter than the rest of his team"). True, it would still have been best to finish capping first in case the Salem didn't finish capping B. However, the Salem does finish the flip and does have to be killed. The BEST thing for Hurricane to have done was to watch the Salem. When he saw it was going behind the island, he should have lobbed some shots at it to attempt a cap reset. The Salem was unlikely to have guns pointed near his direction to get any shots off before having an island in the way. To be fair, I don't expect the average player in WoWs to figure that out under pressure, especially when all of Hurricane's team EXCEPT the Shimakaze demonstrated the were clearly incapable of simple cap math. The only thing stupid in the second video is the poor choice of when to use radar by the Salem. This is a WG product and plenty of people fail their way to top tier.
@@davidmoore1253 , no. There was not enough time on the clock. If there had been 5 or more minutes, there would have been enough time. Hurricane never makes it to A cap and the match ends with 1:41 left on the clock. That means he likely would not have started the flip until roughly 1:35 left on the clock (+/-2s). It would have taken 60s to flip leaving just 35s left on the clock. The time between when the Salem finishes capping B is 2:31 on the clock. The time between when the Salem finishes capping and when Hurricane would have started flipping is 55s (+/- 2s). That means the Salem would have had at least 20 more points than Hurricane's team when the timer ran out. For the flipping cap strategy to have worked, Hurricane would have needed to get to A cap with at least 20s sooner. Had he been in a fast Russia DD, that would have been possible. He wasn't. As Hurricane did not risk resetting B cap with his guns, the Shimakaze was forced to man up and to his credit, he did. von Rosphe, does a good job of explaining WHY the Shimakaze may have left C cap early. von Rosphe explains that it would have been tactically bad for the Shimakaze to face a radar boat in open water. Basically if the Salem used radar correctly the Shimakaze would have been caught on low health with nowhere to hide. Leaving early, the was an island that could be used for cover from the Salem's guns to get close enough to ensure his torps didn't miss. That is the option the Shimakaze took. It was 100% the correct decision.
I also sometimes do it with deepwater torps in the hope the other DD doesn't realise it and evacuates the smoke. However it doesn't work that well anymore after WG removed the Warning sound for the DW torps. When these torps were new, it worked pretty well. And in this case, why shouldn't he try it? There were only 2 Ships left and both were DDs. so it's no difference if they are on cooldown or not.
I believe the Shima may have thought we don't have time to cap 2 caps and stop the Salem, he's already up on points, we kill him or we lose, they only had 4mins left, the Salem would have capped B then run to C and at worst stopped the counter and won. Just me but I doubt a run and hide would have worked. Shima saved the day, good call Shima :) Looking back the Shima left C at 27:23 time index on video, points are 663 v 688, the Salem would have been likely to get to C as or before Shima capped it, even if it was later all that time he is getting points on B and they are getting none until they cap, Salem would have won it on points alone. It was a kill or lose situation. As Jingles might say, "Shima put his big boy pants on", and went for it :) Shima saves the day, good video :)
Well, Jingles, I think you overlooked that the red team had already more points when the Shima left the cap C, and long before the Z52 could flip cap A. It would have been on knives edge playing safe and for points. So I don't think it was stupid the Shima attacked the cruiser. It was risky, but not stupid. Playing for points also would have been risky.
medal for first replay carrier. he assisted him all the way. keep spotted. tryed assist with killing sht. and didnt just farm dmg on carrier. he focused enemys whatr coulda had killed henry. its not the dmg its the harasement
19:30 Actually Jingles, he does have a way of finding out. The wonderful world of the minimap, where the last known position and, shortly spotted and unspotted, securing it’s location, which is on the other side of the map, is the Yueyang. The last known position of the *Fletcher* is in the cap, which is captured, meaning that he may be in the smoke screen, which has an extremely large chance of being *laid by the Fletcher*. Continue, please.
It's also not really any surprise at all for a Yueyang to lose a gun battle with a Shimakaze. After the Yueyang got its gun reload nerfed into the ground and IJN DDs got their HE alpha significantly buffed, they have nearly the same HE DPM. 135k for Yueyang, 134.8k for Shimakaze. The Yueyang after the nerf is straight-up terrible for randoms (the Chung Mu at Tier 9 is pretty much across the board better than Yueyang now!), with its only actual value being as a radar DD in clan battles.
25:30 It makes perfect sense. The Salem popped his radar as soon as he was spotted. Because he knew that z-52 was not in his smoke because he was the only one spotting him. Unfortunately for the Salem he was just outside of radar range as well
Im pretty sure the wiener part comes from Wien, the swedish name for Vienna . Ex. wienerbröd which lit. Means Vienna bread which is actually Danish pastry in English
@@andreaskole958 Vienna is Wien in German as well and in few other languages (like Danish and Finnish), so it's not just a Swedish name for the city. It's the actual name.
I was like everyone in chat. Questioning, yelling why Shimakaze would throw away the game. Till Jingles pointed out that he got the Salem with his torps. You beautiful bastard
The true unsung hero is the Shima: Just think ahead! If the Shima didn't kill the Salem, it would have been a loss, despite capping C -just do the maths! Also take into consideration: by the time the Z-52 would cap A, the Salem would be at C -and negate any points coming in from there. Even if the Shima had capped it...
Thanks for posting this video with the Henri. As a newer player and viewer of your videos that has chosen to play French cruisers it was exciting to see a match like that. I've only made it to Tier 8 but my games now are all about long distance kiting and losing in the end. BZ!
Thing about cruisers you cant do a lot if you have retarded BBs and it helps noone. He did have a target rich enviroment beacuse those BBs didnt back the fuck off so he was able to shoot and keep up the guns singing. Once they all died off enemy BBs lost their heals and were lover on HP beacuse of that constant HE spam he could do beacuse his BBs and carrier later on. Tho he did get lucky with that Yammato miss if that was a hit he would have died maybe not then but he wouldnt be able to go on and do what he did.I hate the map border camping BBs but sometimes they have to stay back atleast for first few mins of the game and then go in. But he still did a good game and wp to him.If you play cruisers regardless of nation but it has range not like british ones you should be aggresive earlly beacuse of DDs to support them then you should back off once enemy BBs come closer.This is the tactic I use and it can work but it is quite dangerous as you will probablly be spoted and targeted by multiple enemy ships
Well, one could say that getting close in Henri is a double-edged sword, you can deal monstrous amounts of damage but at the same time the risk of instant deletion is pretty high
Nope, Shimas play was the ONLY way to win the game, just do the maths. (And think ahead...) If the Shima didn't kill the Salem, it would have been a loss, despite capping C. Also take into consideration: by the time the Z-52 would cap A, the Salem would be at C -and negate any points coming in from there. Even if the Shima had capped it...
Khabarovsk (the literal worst ship you can take to an cap) vs. Z52 (the literal best ship you can take to an cap) Hmm wonder whos gonna win The Z52, the King of Caps + 60 sec Torp reload. Great ship Also Hurricane obviously wants to trigger people with that Pleb-version of the Hydro
Just installed Blitzkried 3 and was about to start playing, but... There are priorities in life :P BTW. Jingles, do you have any info on when (more or less) we can expect You to appear in WoWS as the special captain? Kinda getting impatient here, like several thousand other people :P
That Salem didn't use the radar because he was equipped with hydro + RPF skill. Of course he knew exactly where to look for the Z52. Getting torped while packing hydro just adds another facepalm.
I can understand why just high damage games don't always get featured I sent you a 276,000 damage tier 5 game where I got 9 kills but I was playing a Japanese DD it's understandable that it's not very exciting to watch and whilst I'm proud of it I totally understand why it wasn't featured, so guys should relax and just be proud of their great games and enjoy the show
well, as far as I know capping C would have done the Shima more good than all the damage there was left to do on the Salem, so it really was kind of pointless. also he could have done both, Flip Charlie and then torp the Salem. That would have been a smart move.
Unfortunately, a lot of people in games seem to have a difficult time weighing the pros and cons of multiple plans at once and/or take several minutes to execute those plans. Just my experience at least.
The YeuYang has fired torps into the shima's smoke, but they don't appear to have hit anything? What would they hit Jingles? there was a Shima in that smoke and YeuYang has deep water torps that can't hit a shima.. lol
“The yueyang has fires torpedoes into the shimakaze smoke screen, but the torpedoes don’t appear to have hit anything” British humo(u)r so dry, I can’t tell if even Jingles knew he was kidding
Exactly that with the forgot is why I sometimes Drop Deepwater torps into DD smokes. Not to hit them more in the hope they forgot about the deepwater torps and leave the smoke because of this.
French Cruisers are notoriously non-objective ships. Damage farming like no other, but most off the time they dont support in the objectives. The Hindenburg has some French gameplay to it, but because of the armor you can have some ridiculous fun and brawling. Yeah the 240s are great, but I would take the Moskva or Hindenburg anyday over the Henri. Just not the most fun playstyle, that the French Cruisers have. The first game just shows....If you do nothing but damage farming, kiting and "carrying" your team without any meaningful accomplishments (i.e. kills, caps, etc.) you can do all the damage but still *deservingly* lose. Yes its painful, I had those games too. But when you do not support the team effort, the deeds and efforts of a single member wont compensate for the rest.
I think it was a smart move from the Shima to attack the Salem. If the shima had capped, it could be still a win by points for the Salem's team. And after capping B the Salem could drive right into C and catch the Shima at C in open water. The Islands at B provided better cover for the Shima. So he decided that the best chance to win the game were to sink the Salem.
@von Rosphe, once the Salem capped B, the Salem's team was going to win by points. The Salem HAD to be killed. However, you make a great point about the Shimakaze captain choosing the engagement that gave him the best chance.
Classic Jingles moments in the Roma vs North Carolina/Fletcher fight. Roma can't have eaten torpedoes--the indicators of spotted torpedoes are visible even through islands. Additionally, if you watch the minimap after Roma gets chunked by North Carolina, you can clearly see that it was indeed Roma who instigated the ram. He starts the fight showing his angled port bows to North Carolina, then turns in--his guns were probably all pointing to starboard. He eats chunk damage on the starboard side, then turns back in for the ram.
Fantastic video! Great play in that first video - but it sure hurts being on the receiving of a long distance Henri IV they are so fast and hard to hit... even when you do in my JB seems to have little effect.
17:40 He was only unspotted for a few seconds. It takes 6 seconds for the radar info to be sent to the rest of the team. By the time it got to the Khaba, Hurricane would have been spotted again anyway.
And as you say Jingles, "damage without kills is meaningless' Allowing a bb to regain hp, farming HE damage might be questioned too. IE, one of those Yamato's AP damage can't be replaced or did I miss a memo. Next time some butt hole mentions my w/l, I'll just say. Well, no one on those losing teams had what it takes to carry, including me. But they set records.
Wow 4800 health and 57 second torpedo reload. Someone has Adrenaline Rush. Imagine if he had the legendary module on that thing. With the Z-52 legendary module you can get 58 second torpedoes baseline. With Adrenaline Rush, you're looking at like 45 second torpedoes at low health or something like that. Of course, the downside is that you get a 6.4km detection range. It's hard to get used to it, but once you do it's torpedo soup every minute or less.
Be Careful what you wish for.... seems to be attributed to Anon, but appears to have been used to Paraphrase Aesop's Fables "The Old Man and Death" where the Moral of the Tale is "We would often be sorry if our wishes were granted.” (Circa 260 BC). Maybe ....
Ok, the only possible reason I could think of for the Shimas action is he has the mod that tells how long you would need to win by cap and he thought they didn't have enough time especially since they didn't control any caps. I have that mod and was spectating the match after being sunk and I had a similar mix up. There was something like 3min left in the game and it would have taken is longer to win by cap with the two we had than there was time left in the match. Then the game ended and I saw it was a victory. First, I realized I'm an idiot. Second, I remembered that timer tells you when you'll get to 1000 points and not when you'll have more points than the opposing team... Which we obviously did when time ran out. Third, I realized how dumb I must have seemed asking our DD why the hell he wasn't capping the last cap.
If it's stupid, but it works is a good statement. However that was just stupid. They lucked out when the torp hit. Luck alone saved the day, but the smart cap would have guaranteed victory.
actually the salem used its radar, when shima is capping, however shima is in the gap. by looking at the slowing and take off in speed when the shima is leaving the cap, he is being radar and he know where is the salem, and this is why the salem is going out of the island, and shima want to put an island between him and that Salem., because he know that if he try to risk to go to the top of the island salem will have a line of sight to shoot him, so his best bet is to get into the bot side of the middle island cover before the salem can shoot him. Dom't judge a player unless you know what he know.
Another Unique and awesome video from Mr. Paul aka Admiral Hipster, The Mighty Jingles and all the rest of your personas! Thank You Sir I thoroughly enjoy all of your WT, WoTs both PC & Console Pheasants & my fav, WoWs Content. I know you make many a more varieties of videos but these are what I am interested in and look forward to. So a Huge Thank You for your dedication and Hard Work to your Channel and your followers and subscribers. Goodbye from Southeastern North Carolina. If you ever find yourself near the US east coast with time on your hands you should come check out the USS North Carolina BB 55 in Wilmington NC. It's amazing. BTW when is your persona as "Capitain" for World of Warships going to Debut for us your many minions? Any Hints?
''Weiner is in the French battle ..... '' Of Course WEINER is in a FRENCH Ship. He is a WEINER after all. You're getting soft in your old age, and you call yourself an Englishman!! JEEZ Mr J!!
"He is, to use proper naval terminolog: proper fuckt" mate dont change please, make my stomach hurt laughing so fuck, especially after wee smoke :) You are number 1!
Hey Jingles, do you think it might be possible that you could make playlists out of individual ship types? (Iowa, Des Moines, Admiral, Bismarck etc.) I always look for American cruiser videos, but I have a heck of a time trying to find them.
There wasn't enough time left for the points to tick up even with two caps. He had to sacrifice himself to fire off those torpedoes. That last game was 10/10.
GGs, both. Plenty of action, it was fun to watch. That Shima probably didn’t learn from this, he will make it again, and fail next 10 times he wil do it again. But lucky for Z52, at least he get payed off for his mastering of his DD. GG 👌
Today in my Richelieu just out to do D-day mission and saw a full health Bismarck come round the corner. I thought ramming speed as I already had over 100k. Only to glance at the team lists and see we where 2 on 2 and would leave a low health cruiser on our side and a North Carolina on theirs. Managed to miss the ram which he wanted and the cruiser and I destroyed him and then hunted down the NC and I got my ram :)
The Salem radar does not last long. he could have used it when the z-52 was out of range or is waiting to use it when he feels it is more likely to be useful and not a gamble.
-Staying calm and doing the maths in a stressfull situation, -Realising they were never going to win on points either way, -Sinking the Salem against the odds... I don't think it's weird, Shimas play was actually, legitimately 5000 IQ.
Being a Marine Radar Fire Control Weapon Tech for F-4 Phantoms for 10 years. RADAR does NOT see through Mountains, Islands or any land mass!! Moonless nights, Storms, Fog yes. So hiding behind an Island does not light up the enemy on the other side, in fact you give away your position when you light off the radar. Range, Bearing, and Speed to help you hit the target your fighting yes use it, but as a search radar all you do is tell the enemy your exact location.. Semper Fi
hey jingles i wanted to bring your attention to a youtube channel i like a lot call History Guy: History Deserves to Be Remembered you might like it to!
That ending. WoW O_O the chat was amazing too...both in how cordial it was for most of the match and how completely sour it suddenly went at the end. I wonder if anyone sent any private apologies after the match. Yes he pulled a stupid but also won the match with a plot twist that would make M. Knight jealous.
Killing the Salem with a lucky shot doesn't redeem the Shima at all. They would have won easily if they focused on hiding and flipping caps, but the Shima just HAD to throw all that away for the sake of a stupid gamble. If you have an easy win condition, you take it. PERIOD. The Shima player fucked up badly, and the team was saved from his throw by sheer dumb luck.
Once the Salem capped B, it was going to win on points. The Salem had to be killed. The Shimakaze captain may have been the only player on Hurricane's team to notice that.
@@coreypatterson5827 , as you didn't see my general reply, I will go over the math just for you, Hurricane and the rest of Hurricane's team. When the Shima leaves C, the team is down 20+ points. The Shima would have capped before the Salem gaining 9 to 12 points back. Not enough to flip the points lead. The Salem's team would have had 55s of 2 cap lead before Hurricane gets to A. It would take Hurricane 60s to flip A. That left Hurricane's team with only 35s of 2 caps to 1. Flipping caps and running was a guaranteed LOSE for Hurricane's team. The Salem HAD to be killed for the team to win.
