World's First Actual 40w Diode Laser The xTool D1 Pro Cutting Test 

You can make scale armor and gloves out of metal.

@@TheWadetube oh man most epic idea yet!!!

@@ChadsCustomCreations which country

Im from nepal intrested

@@maheshworshrestha2645 what are you talking about?

Oh that’s super interesting I definitely gotta try that.

Oh yes definitely I keep the glasses on even with the shroud on, enclosure is off mainly just for filming purposes.

If they didn't, they wouldn't be able to reply to your comment.

@@davidmiller4594 👁️👃❌

Quit being a safety Nazi. Let people live their lives

I am looking to purchase one expressly for powder coated tumblers. In your opinion do I really need a 40W? Or will a 20W do the job. Not worried about pushing mass quantities.

Thank you so much, I really enjoy your video’s as well!

@@ChadsCustomCreations Thanks! Have a great one!

Based on those stats I definitely see your conclusions and if their stats are legit it would make sense. But honestly I wouldn’t believe the stats until they are verified by a 3rd party user. Speaking of which I’ve been looking at getting a laser power meter if you see one that you think would give us good results let me know I am happy to make the investment.

@@ChadsCustomCreations Ya, the thing is that these stat are never really verified, partly because it is difficult to do, and partly because the vast majority of people buying such machines, don't really care. What matters are the results, which makes sense, of course. I however, do care, and if I could afford to do so, I'd simply buy one of each, and test it for myself, naturally sharing the results, but I do not have that kind of money. That being said, the stats have to be rather a lot off to alter the conclusions, so perhaps it is just a matter of taking that chance. Another interesting point, perhaps explaining the better focus, is that the atezr v35, as I understand it, use 6 laser diodes, as opposed to xtools 8, and it does make some sense that this results in better focus. On the other hand, this also means higher output per diode, and I don't really know if there are any downsides to this. Longevity could suffer, for one, but there may be other factors. I don't really know anything about power meters, but if the output alone is all you care about, it should be reasonably simple to make your own. Quote from the great interweb: "a watt is . 24 calorie per second. It takes 1000 calories to raise 1 liter of water one degree C" Just to mention one approach. Then all you really need is a reasonably accurate temperature sensor, a black body containing water, preferably well insulated, and time. Even better, if you just need to make comparisons, and don't really care about the actual numbers, you can use any material that absorb the relevant wavelengths reasonably well, which for the visible spectrum is as black as possible, perhaps with a rough surface to minimize reflection, and again time, to find the peak heat capacity. I should think that it is a reasonably easy project to take on, and it would make for a nice video too. ;)

I am amazed at how fast they are growing I know recently Covid hit China again recently and that probably gave them some set backs but I hope what you’re looking for comes back in stock soon. If not I’d like to know.

@@ChadsCustomCreations Yeah, covid or something; lol. Enjoy the free pew pew while it lasts, hope you never need replacement parts for it, cause, covid and stuff.

@@davidoberle137 😂

Thank you, yes all the pro modules will work on the new setup.

Yes that is definitely a concern with any new technology like this. I know the other ones were rated at 10,000 hours, I imagine as long as the heat in maintained on the inside of the unit we should see a similar light span but who know this early on.

I think with some mods that might be possible. I don’t believe I have seen water assist on a laser yet sounds fun!

Yes you are right with the piercing technique. I was attempting it with drawing a tiny circle at the start point on the corner of the square but it seemed to me like I still was not able to get it to run slow enough to continue the cut. Maybe once I add oxygen we will see a cutting depth improvement.

Yes it is quite easily go do a search for EVA foam and diode laser and you’ll see others doing it.

Yes it is interesting that they are not offering a kit with just the 40w 🤷‍♂️

@@ChadsCustomCreations Does the 10W will fit on the new gantry?

@@bneil4059 my 10w does not unmodified the cable connection is not right. But my 10w is the older D1 before the pro came out but they said 5-10-20w and RF will all fit as long as they are the pro versions. I just had the 20w on it and it was working great and easy to swap out.

@@ChadsCustomCreations Yeah, I contacted them, and they said I have to get 5w and replace the main module

When cutting I believe it is compressing the entire time but it’s so quiet I don’t really notice. I say 40psi cause that’s what it can maintain from that size nozzle, or at least that’s what it reads at my regulator.

Yes of course

Word from the company is no but go watch buster beagle 3D review of the 40w he says he thinks it might be a possibility with just the exception of not having the limit switches.

@@ChadsCustomCreations Thank you

Very interesting idea I am genuinely curious how it would react to this.

Definitely that’s a great idea!

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Hahaha it’s still a pretty slow miter saw but imagine the intricate cut lines you could do with it. I have something brewing up in my brain about building 2x4 furniture piece using only the laser. Haha sorry about the cliff hanger.

4 is so 2022 🤣 this has 8 singular 5.5w beams which gives it an 40w optical output. I believe atom stack is about to release a 35w

@@ChadsCustomCreations o man I feel so dumb right now lol mine is 20 watts.

@@Self.reliant no way don’t feel dumb these companies are all competing with each other and it is putting the innovation into hyper drive I can hardly keep up with what all is coming out. The 20w is still so much power I love these diode lasers.

I am not aware of the actual estimated delivery dates, this one given to me to review so it was sent via air freight. I would guess maybe that puts this one 1-2 weeks ahead of the units coming over on a ship.

@Chads Custom Creations site says mid February... that things a beast man . Can't wait to get mine in

Hey do you think if we can get the same results with the regular air assist?

@@enginearte in my opinion air movement is very important if you plan on cutting like this. I’ve done test before with low PSI and it just doesn’t move the material quick enough for cutting as well.

@@ChadsCustomCreations thanks for letting me know!!! I need another upgrade well!!!

They sell 2’x4’ sheets at Home Depot normally on an end cap.

What is that and where do I get it?

Yeah definitely positives and negatives to Co2 VS diode I am compiling a list for a video to talk about cause I think a lot of people are curious. And this is the first time ever a diode has cut better than Co2 lasers.

@@ChadsCustomCreations at those slow speeds not sure I'd say better. I have 3 different diode lasers and while they can cut it's very inefficient. This would be faster for thin materials for sure but at that price the module alone is more than most complete diode lasers

@@risbill1 what wattage is your Co2 laser. Mine is a 90w with a Reci tube and it cuts but not like this 40w

@@ChadsCustomCreations I don't have a CO2 just diode lasers. We have a couple at our local maker space and they are 40 and 60 watt and I use them when I need to cut lots of pieces more than 3mm. Or if I need to cut or engrave clear acrylic. It just seems diode lasers are becoming less cost effective other than they are still more portable.

Would definitely work on those.

Well in it’s defense it is the cheapest 40w on the market 😉

@@ChadsCustomCreations that's true, and it does come with the other things that really makes it a pretty big upgrade, considering that it comes with a new main board. And that Gantry looks pretty beefy.

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Hahaha I am glad someone is enjoying the shed saga as much as I am!

@@ChadsCustomCreations isnt it 40W consumption/input power? CO2 laser can give 40W output power (i've got K40 co2 laser) and before i bought it, i was thinking about laser diode laser but every1 was rated with input power :D

@@diemfpv xtool is like the first company to stop with all the false marketing by giving input wattage and they give you output values so this thing has 8 5.5w diodes all lined up with mirrors and it produces 40w output.

@@ChadsCustomCreations Thanx for info. 8x5.5w diodes sounds strange, i think i would not give u 40W output but... that doesnt matter - i would be scared to use it. It could make u blind rly fast.

@@diemfpv 5.5w would equal 44w but based on loss of power from reflection of mirrors they rate it at 40w even though their test with the optical light meter was reading 42w on the live RU-vid stream they did. It definitely is dangerous for anyone who doesn’t know what they are doing.

Hello Rich, I really enjoy your videos and what you’re doing for the laser community. This is good to know about the diminishing returns on the PSI I’ll have to play around with that and see if I can improve my cutting even further.

I’d say there are still some factors to consider. Diodes-less maintenance and hassle, no water cooling, no mirrors to align and keep clean. Diodes wavelength still doesn’t don’t do anything to clear acrylic or white but xtool does have a list of colors that do work on their website with the D1. I would say this 40w seems to have more cutting power than my 90w co2 laser. Co2s still seem to have diodes beat in the movement speed game and the fact that they also are great at acrylics. The built in Ruida controllers are really nice also.

It is pricey but I will say it’s different than a 60w Co2 I have one and cannot cut more than 3/4” this thing is cutting 1-1/2”

I haven’t personally used the longer Ray 5 but I can imagine xtool does cost more but for me they are leading the pack in quality and innovation.

@@ChadsCustomCreations do you have any social media accounts that we can chat with? Like Snapchat maybe?

@@WORLDOFBLINGBLING you can find me on IG link is in the bottom of the video description

Hey thank you Matt, that means a lot coming from a creator as successful as yourself!

It is definitely pricey but I think even though this is only 40w it still cuts better than my $5500 90w Co2 laser.

@@ChadsCustomCreations that's true, it Cuts with a very well defined beam. It still won't cut clear acrylic.

Yes you’re right right as far as clear acrylic it’s still useless. It’s pretty neat seeing how diode tech has progressed so quickly I definitely need to revisit a comparison between co2 vs diode again.

That is incredibly generous of you to take the time to do that thank you so much please reach out to me if I can ever offer any help.

Co2 lasers still have their advantages. I have a 90w and I will still be using that for all my production work.

@@ChadsCustomCreations Thanks for the response Chad. I’m trying to pick, and looking at building a Co2 only because I need to cut acrylic (clear and colored). I don’t have any other justification (yet, that I know of). That said, will the 40w Diode cut clear acrylic?

@@TheJacklwilliams no sadly it won’t do clear I tried.

Yes of course, though diode lasers are limited to particular colors of acrylics.

You are correct

Oh awesome I would love to see your customer machine!

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Trying to be safe I have a flashback arrestor being delivered for the oxygen line, even though I’ve learned through the comments that I needed it, and also that I don’t need it need it. I am going to lean on the safer side. Though I also learned oxygen by itself oxygen is not combustible, which I didn’t know. It has to have a fuel like another gas or even the rubber tubing for the oxygen to go crazy.

@@ChadsCustomCreations that's super interesting! I'm excited to see your experiment succeed! Good luck! Don't die!

@@EngineHeadCW thank you for the well wishes 🥹

Yeah definitely looking forward to seeing that I am wondering how it will be different from the makeblock

I went and looked and I found that they have the 10w and 40w bundle the laser point on the 10w is a smaller dot size so if you were wanting to do very detailed works it would be good to have that combo. www.xtool.com/products/d1-pro-10w-laser-machine-40w-laser-module?ref=Chadscustom&

You’re right it won’t be long till we get there.

I did misspeak I said the imperial correct but it was .3mm I forgot to say point Here is a chart with the measurements www.metalsupermarkets.com/sheet-metal-gauge-chart/

I haven’t had any experience with the Neje lasers but my opinion is yes start with a diode and eventually graduate up to a co2 if you find the need for more speed and clear acrylic cutting needs.

40psi Air assist

I don’t blame you if you skipped parts of the where I show the edges but every edge even the 2x4 came out straight and clean when wiped with my hand except for the 3/4” oak plywood and I am betting with a higher speed and more passes I could get that cleaned up also.

I think the 20w D1 pro would be sufficient for your needs. Links in the description.

hook up an inert gas like helium or argon instead and safe yourself the risk. Fires in oxygen rich environments have led to multiple accidents so there is really no pro to using it.

@@sageslarres helium and argon are not oxidizers so you would just be throwing your money away by using them. Oxygen is used all the time in cutting steel. It helps oxidize the steel so you can cut through it. What do you think is happening when you use an acetylene torch. So that is point in using it. No one is talking about filling the room with a high concentration of oxygen. Is the world just damn scared of everything?

Coming soon.

Haha you have a good point but imagine if I had programmed in a interesting joinery technique instead of a straight cut.

I like this idea, send me your code and I’ll make one up 😉

From Xtool live release sadly they said no. 😢

Oh I should definitely try the multiple passes more. I just heard someone saying if you can get that hole started in one pass you can extract the smoke out the bottom and achieve cleaner edges. So many variables to plays with still.

​@@ChadsCustomCreations That's true, but IMHO, only if it can be done at reasonable speed (> 100mm/min), I would say it become false for thick wood that require slow speed because it create too much heat for to long time at the same location and heat radiate and carbonise even more. Yes so much parameters & testing, but I wonder if it's not what I prefer over doing real work :)

@@brunoaugier right real work is great and all but I like the research and development the most 🤣 what your saying definitely makes sense especially with it creating too much heat in one spot.

I just made another test, printing side by side two same squares with different parameters (20mm raw pine) : A : 1000mm/min with 14 passes B: 215mm/min width 3 passes Both are approxmatly equivalent to a speed of 71mm/min (1000/14 = 71.43, 215/3 = 71.67) The cut with 14 passes is better, fall by itself and have flat and uncarbonized cutted surfaces (also it seem it has fallen before the end maybe 12 or 13 passe) The cut with 3 passes is not really usable, it was still a bit hooked, and it have non-planar and carbonized faces. The surface finish of the 14 passes is really really far away beter. Maybe laser are different and you wont get the same result, maybe yes. Give it a try ! (as long as speed/number of passes is equal this does not change time or comsumption)

Oh this is super interesting and what type of air assist are you running?

It’s not, the key word is “actual” 40w meaning 40w light output all those other companies are lying about how powerful their lasers are by just telling you the wattage to power the diodes. It’s not you’re fault they do this on purpose. It’s misleading and shameful.

Yeah this is only for those looking to cut deep or increase speed on things like metal engraving.

That’s what they say but “money comes and money goes but when time comes it only goes”and in my opinion I’d rather run it at 100% until it dies and replace it with the time saving it’s worth it for me.

I believe so they are Co2 lasers which I have also. I have a 90w Co2 laser and it cannot cut like this. I am seeing benefits for diodes and co2 kind of depends on what you want to do.

Good point, how about acetylene?

I don’t blame you for thinking that way since most companies advertise the input wattage but xtool has stood by only advertising the output wattage. This is 8 5.5w diode combined to achieve 40W

Yes for some strange reason I cannot get it to function on my xtool. It works on my co2 lasers with the ruida controllers but for some reason xtool ignores it. Any idea why?

@@ChadsCustomCreations Do you know the controller type? I have an Atom stack S10 pro that it works just fine on, though I don't know the controller type

@@FirstToFall hmm interesting I figured all gcode machines would have the same issue but if your Atom Stack is working maybe I have got something wrong I’ll try messing around with it some more thanks for letting me know.

@@ChadsCustomCreations Sure thing! I tested mine again just now to make sure I wasn't hallucinating it, and it does work. If you'd like to shoot me an email or have me email you I'd be willing to troubleshoot to see if I could help make it work, it's pretty game-changing if you set it up right.

Very interesting sounds like a great start up business!

@@ChadsCustomCreations No it isn´t sadly, I miss the money for such luxury... ;-) But someone has to make the start after all, so, why keep it to myself...? ;-)

@@klausbrinck2137 that’s a great way to live life, thank you for joining in on our conversation here in the comments.

Yes that’s to be expected but go take a look at when I remembered to turn on the air assist on the 2x4 it’s practically perfect and doesn’t even leave much residue.

Haha got some work to do in the woodshop, but soon I’ll be back to play with fire extinguishers ready. 🤣

It’s just too slow and boring For RU-vid this would be a 2 hour long video if I didn’t. I make sure to add the amount of speeding up so you can calculate the amount of time. Also when I remember I throw my stop watch in the video too.

@@ChadsCustomCreations The problem is that if you use different sizes/shapes of cuts and different speeding up for the different materials it is very hard to compare anything.

@@macrumpton press alt+P in lightburn if you have your settings correct it calculates the amount of time for you.

These do great with EVA foam

I think it still depends on factors budget, skill level, room for machine, speed, and of course if clear acrylic is important or not.

For a beginner now I would suggest the Xtool S1 or D1 pro, for the more advanced user I would suggest Co2 lasers like any of the RM lasers or the Xtool P2

I personally haven’t heard from them, but I would imagine they have something in the works coming out in soon.

I believe it’s the same technique the fiber lasers use but they combine their power through fiber optic cables. Or how a 8 cylinder engine has twice the power of a 4 cylinder 🤷

@@ChadsCustomCreations they use translucent mirrors to do lasers hit spots in the same direction to create the more power, how they are efficient I don’t know 🤷☺️

If your piece is directly on the honeycomb you will see little reflections burns I do like lifting stuff up too cause it makes it easier to know if you cut all the way through. There is a sheet of aluminum under the honeycomb absorbs all the heat really well.

@@ChadsCustomCreations Awesome, thanks for the response. Definitely getting the reflection burns, but I'm also getting the piece starting on fire from underneath... Been tough finishing a project when that happens, lol. Usually even running at 5mm/sec at 100% with air assist, it will start on fire. I'll try creating that space to keep from retaining the heat on the piece. Thanks again.

Sorry to hear that but glad to hear they are releasing an extension cable soon. Thank you for the information Steve.

I’ve got some hard maple I’ll give it a shot. Thanks for watching! Not sure the focal length yet seems super long and skinny though looking back at that video of it cutting through the 2x4

Gracias por decir eso. Hago todo lo posible para mantener todo honesto con mis espectadores.

@@ChadsCustomCreations estic pensant en comprarme el xtool d1 ATU que et sembla? Me'l recomanes per tallar fusta de 3milimetres? Gràcies i salutacions cordials

Yes you are right I misspoke but thankfully my text on screen was correct. I should have said .3mm

There are positives and negatives to the Co2 vs diode debate I think it’s definitely something I would like to share and talk about with all you viewers. I need to compile a list. A few are diodes don’t need water cooling, no mirrors, seem to be cutting better now at just 40w, take up a smaller foot print. Co2s faster moving speeds, can cut clear and white acrylics, invisible laser beam seems safer to eyes. What do you all see let’s talk about it.

I have a CNC I just don’t like all the set up, hold downs, bit changes, how loud they are, lack of detail. Maybe I just need a better Router CNC mine is a 2018 xcarve by inventables. Also I think I might be a little bit of a pyromaniac 😉

You’re definitely right I’ll be setting up the enclosure on this very soon.

i Learn something new everyday here on RU-vid

Yes you are right and I am unaware of the internals of this module it most likely is all flammable hosing so I am definitely risking damaging my machine by introducing oxygen 🤔

I did film it all with the intention of sharing it but Buster Beagle 3D actually included it in his video I would recommend checking his out. It starts at about minute 2. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-htZ2kQXheNU.html

I think for anyone wanting to test the waters of laser engraving I think the xtool d1 pro platform is a perfect stepping stone and you can come in even at the 5w which can always be upgraded to the other head units as your needs for power and speed increase.

Not sure if that is different from what I was cutting, but I wasn’t able to cut my .032 steel. Adding oxygen might make a difference. I have a flashback arrestor ordered once I get the chance we will all see if adding gas will help the cutting power.

Links to purchase are in the description, if you’re not in a country they ship to see if you can send an email to their customer support. I’ve seen where they will make exceptions.

Thanks so much for your reply. However, u are yet to address my concern of wanting to buy the machine and other accessories but, with a mentor that can take me through the positives and negatives of the machine so that I can make informed decision. Of course, am outside the US

@@KehindeOjewumi I do regret to say that I cannot give out individual mentorship’s but I am happy to answer specific questions you might have. The laser community is huge rest a assured I am not the only one to learn from.

Valid question. The further away from the focus point the less powerful the laser beam is. Think child burning ants with a magnifying glass using the power of the fun. Though this laser does have a very long and skinny beam which I haven’t seen before. Under this material I have a sheet of aluminum that does a really great job of thermal diffusion and never seems to even get marked.

As far as I understand it only the pro models will be compatible.

Yeah I was starting to see that with the 20w but now with this 40w it’s definitely evident that there are some big advantages here.

You know I am not sure are you talking like polymer clay?

That cut size might be a little to large i believe this cut area is about 17x17” but if you choose the 20W pro you can get an extension kit that i believe takes it to 48x17” I could be wrong but the specs will be on their site in and I have links in the description of this video.

@@ChadsCustomCreations Thank you so much!

In its defense it’s the only true 40 watt on the market what do you expect 8x 5.5w lasers would cost?

@@ChadsCustomCreations Define 'true 40 watt'

Sorry blue lasers cannot cut clear. You’ll want a co2 laser. Xtool is about to release their version of a Co2 laser within a few months I would recommend waiting til you see that if you can wait.

I’ve been needing to test this for sure.

Why not?

Haha you’re right more of a proof of concept but what about cutting an intricate tenon or mortise?

Go check out my video on using 20w to cut metal I also do etching test it does great on steel and stainless still.

I am curious other than clear white and some other acrylics what else can a diode not do that a Co2 laser can?

My pleasure thanks for coming back!

What fun is that?