The memory that I'll ALWAYS have of the 1971 fall classic is the late Roberto Clemente put on a clinic of how the game of baseball is to be played, good defense, excellent base running and getting timely hitting when his team needed it the most!! The Man I'll ALWAYS refer to as "Mr Humanitarian"......He went to Nicaragua in early 1973 to assist in providing aide to those suffering from a major earth quake.....He ALWAYS put the needs of others before himself. GOD BLESS his name, his family and his legacy!!
RIP, to the legendary Clemente and Curt Gowdy. Special thanks to Curt Gowdy and Tony Kubex, for every Saturday Afternoon, and teaching me the game of Baseball.
Hi, Chris. Your father started a game I went to for the Yankees at Shea Stadium, yes, Shea Stadium (!), in 1974 against the Texas Rangers and pitched a great game; Toby Harrah hit a two-run homer in the second inning off him, but that was all he gave up, and unfortunately the Yankees couldn't get him any runs. I still have the yearbook I bought at the stadium that day, and I'd be glad to send you his picture in the yearbook.
My name is Frank. The 1971 World Series was featured in the book World Series Classics. That year Dave McNally won 20 for the fourth straight year, Mike Cuellar won 20 for the third straight year. Jim Palmer won 20 for the 2nd straight year and your Father Pat Dobson won 20 for the first time.
These two teams were so even that if the series was the best of 21 games there would have been a game 21. Two really hard playing no quit and smart teams.
Clemente showed in that series who the real star was , it was not the Robinson's the Palmer's , the Cuellars or the Mcnally's it was number 21 The great one , that took it as a showcase to show all baseball who was the very best.
I remember in 1972 when the Orioles and Pirates played in Washington's RFK Stadium (the Senators moved to Dallas-Fort Worth to become the Texas Rangers) as a charity exhibition game.
And Sangy, Giusti, Moose, Dock, Clines, Pagan, Danny, and the grave digger- this team was magic for me, a ten year old in 1971. And can't forget the Gunner
I wish that the Pirates would go back to these uniforms from the 1970s. I rather dislike today's uniforms because the originals from the 1970s harken back to their glory days. And of course this is from a Cubs fan.
When I see my dad again, I have to really thank him for getting us two tickets to game 5 for my brother and I. We skipped school that day and we just happen to be sitting next to the school superintendent who was asking us why we're weren't in school. We didn't see any other kids in the stands at that game, so we felt a little out of place, but that was one special moment indeed. Thanks so much for posting this.
Clemente was my first childhood idol, then Stargell was next. Became a Pirate fan in NJ because of Clemente. Can’t stand the game now, but this brought back good memories.
Love the mound conversations. I always wondered what they said out there. Weaver sounds like a lawyer, "Rule 801. He's gotta have his foot on the front of the rubber. It's right there in the Rule Book. Rule 801."
He was and still our hero in PR ..I remembered that evening when the plane crashed near our coast. I was 8 Years old. RIP Nuestro Heroe! Thank You Stephen Alexander for this Time Capsule!
After the 1971 World Series, Frank Robinson was traded by the Orioles to the Los Angeles Dodgers for two prospects. This was done so they could get Don Baylor more playing time in rightfield. When Robinson returned to Baltimore as a visiting player in 1973, the Orioles retired his uniform #20.
Both this series and the one from 1979 between the same two teams had a very similar storyline. In both World Series, the Orioles built a two-game lead (2-0 in this series and 3-1 in '79) with what likely was a better overall team, but in each case, the Pirates came back because, among other things, they had the best player in the series on their side. In this series, Roberto Clemente was the supreme player, and in '79, Willie Stargell had that distinction, and neither one would let his team lose. An interesting side note to that is that, in both this series in '71 and the one from '79, Willie Stargell would score the series' winning run in Game 7, and I'm not sure any other player that has ever played in a World Series can make the claim of scoring the decisive run in two different Game 7s.
I think things are better when there's not one dominant team, because the wealth is spread out more. For instance, in this decade, even though the Giants have won three World Series titles, they're hardly what I would consider a dominant team. I think you need the "big teams" to be successful. Just not dominant. And the 1970s were a little odd in sports, in that, MLB experienced growth without the Yankees dominating, as they had in previous decades (though they did show off that old-time Yankee supremacy near the end of the decade with back-to-back titles). Though it must be said that the A's and Reds could have been considered dominant teams. Also, the NFL experienced the power curve in growth that established it as the most popular sport in the USA without ANY contributions at all from New York, as neither team appeared in the playoffs during the decade, and both NY teams were usually lousy. Yet teams flourished in Pittsburgh, Buffalo, and by the end of the decade, even Denver, Tampa Bay, and San Diego got in on the winning. And as was the case in MLB, the NBA's supreme dynasty, the Boston Celtics, did not dominate in the 70s, though they did win two titles in the middle part of the decade. And in the second half of the decade, teams like the Golden State Warriors (1975), Portland TrailBlazers (1977), and Seattle Supersonics (1979) all won NBA titles, and while the Washington Bullets were that decade's most consistently successful NBA team, reaching the NBA Finals four times, they also won only one championship, in 1978. The 70s also saw Milwaukee be the home of a superior team, as Kareem, Oscar, and the Bucks took the '71 title and ceded to the Boston Celtics in '74, only after taking them the distance.
You're right about the NBA having one of it's lowest points in the 70s, but when the NBA merged with the four teams that were left from the ABA (San Antonio, New Jersey, Indiana, and Denver), that set the scene for the population explosion the sport got when Magic and Bird arrived in late 1979. And certainly commissioners Larry O'Brien, for whom the championship trophy is named, and David Stern also had a lot to do with how the sport grew from the late 70s through the 80s and into the 90s. Of course, having highly successful teams in Los Angeles, Boston, and Philadelphia (thanks to their taking the biggest advantage of the ABA-NBA merger) didn't hurt matters, either. With Kareem in LA, to be joined by Jamaal Wilkes (from the '75 Warriors championship team), Magic Johnson, and James Worthy, as well as a Celtics team that was a mesh (and a mess until the trade that brought both McHale and Parish there in 1981), and the 76ers with the most colorful and popular team in the NBA at that time, O'Brien and Stern certainly had a lot to work with, but they also got incredibly fortunate that Magic and Bird both ended up with teams that had such a great history in the Lakers and Celtics. If they had ended up on, say the Pacers and Clippers, it would have been very different. One of the odd things about the rivalries of that era is that, while much has always been said about the rivalry between the Celtics and Lakers in the 80s, one of the sport's greatest rivalries is one that's never brought up, and that is the rivalry that existed between the Lakers and 76ers in the early 80s, one that saw the teams meet for the championship three times in four years, something the Laker/Celtics rivalry of the 80s also had, as well as the Lakers/Knicks rivalry of the early 70s. And I always thought that was a more cordial rivalry, unlike the championship rivalry the Lakers had with the Celtics from 1984-'87. And the fact that both MLB and the NFL saw their popularity grow in the 70s without much coming from New York (the New York NFL teams did absolutely NOTHING in the 70s) shows that not only was there lots of depth at the top, but also that the two biggest sports leagues, which is what they were at the time, didn't need much from the nation's #1 media market to be successful, something that showed itself again with the NFL continuing to rise in popularity, despite not having a team in Los Angeles for 21 years. It can only be better for the NFL to have a team in Los Angeles again, and having the right team representing it with the Rams being the team to represent Los Angeles, the way it should be.
The Lakers' rivalry with the 76ers in the early 80s is forgotten, I think for a couple of reasons. First of all, unlike the rivalries they had with the Celtics and Pistons, which were fierce, the Lakers/76ers rivalry was more friendly and both teams had a genuine respect for each other, and rarely ever had any bad blood. The Lakers/76ers finals also matched teams with similar styles, as both teams were high-tempo, fast breaking teams, which made both teams extremely fun to watch. In fact, I believe the 1980 NBA Finals may still be the only one to see both teams score at least 100 points in each game. But the Lakers did have the ultimate weapon in '80 and '82, with Kareem, and that proved too much for the 76ers to handle, just as it did with Bill Walton in 1977, when he dominated the 76ers in that year's NBA Finals. The Sixers changed all that after the 1982 NBA Finals when they acquired Moses Malone, as Moses was one of the few centers that could hold his own with Kareem, as the match-up in the 1981 playoffs between the Lakers and Rockets proved. The 76ers swept the Lakers in four straight in 1983, and the friendly nature of that rivalry really showed itself after the 76ers completed their sweep in L.A. when Lakers coach Pat Riley went into the 76ers' locker room to congratulate Billy Cunningham, Dr. J, and the rest of the 76ers on their championship. You never saw that in any of the Lakers series with the Celtics or the Pistons, but the fact that Riley and Jerry Buss went into the 76ers' locker room to congratulate them on their championship shows how much genuine respect that Lakers and 76ers had for each other.
Of course, when you're in half of all the NBA Finals ever played and play in the Western Conference, and for more than 60 years, the Lakers had that distinction of playing in half of all the NBA Finals ever played, you're going to go up against teams from just about all the big cities in the East. The one team from a big east coast market that the Lakers never played in an NBA Finals were the Baltimore/Washington Bullets (Wizards since '97). They never played the Bullets in the NBA Finals, but got their fill against teams from virtually every other major eastern market in the Eastern Conference. Of course, they've played the Celtics about a dozen times in the NBA Finals, but have faced the 76ers four times, the Pistons and Knicks three times each, and the Bulls and Nets once. They even faced the Orlando Magic in an all-Disney market NBA Finals in 2009. Other than Washington, the only other major markets not to have a team go up against the Lakers in an NBA Finals are in the southeast (Atlanta and Miami).
In fact, the Orioles have never been to a World Series without #22 on the mound. Jim Palmer was there for all six of the Orioles' World Series appearances. In fact, he once held the distinctions of being the youngest pitcher to throw a World Series shutout (in 1966) and the first to ever win World Series games in three decades. The time the Orioles spent as a dominant team spanned his entire career.
Indeed ...this is when baseball was baseball. You could actually watch a a game since it was 2 hours long, played during the day, and did not end at one o'clock in the morning when you had to work that day. Today's idiotic pitching changes did not exist, nor did retro- mallparks where everything distracted the business at hand a.k.a. the game.
I agree. Last game I went to at Yankee Stadium earlier this year I sat in the middle deck several yards from the left field foul pole, and people were constantly walking up and down the aisle steps, either getting food or whatever: very annoying. I yearn for the old days when people actually stayed in their seats and focused on the game, and if they had to get up, they waited until in- between innings or half-innings. But I still enjoy going to the games themselves.
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What was a mallpark? Could you shop while watching the game?
@ I believe he is referring to today's parks, designed to look "retro", but with all kinds of non-baseball related distractions...you know, for the kids! lol
So many things wrong with baseball today. Games go on forever. All you see is home runs, strikeouts, and pitching changes. Most of the new ballparks are tiny bandboxes.
as the broadcaster stated a Superstar doing what he wa supposed to do killing the other team pitching and also killing any runner that dared to run on his arm our Pride or Heroe and our Legend even on 2019 , there will never be one like him ,in or out of the field and his lifetime batting avg Higher that Mays and Aaron , that is why he is called the LEGEND , simply because that is what he is , still today.
Cool, Pat Dobsons' son! Brooks was not just super great, but had such style in everything he did, like Mantle, Ruth, Mays, Koufax, Gibson, Nolan Ryan, and Jackie Robinson. . Sure I missed a few. Juan Marichial!
I remember at the time of this Series, it was considered an upset that the Pirates won, probably because of the 4 twenty-game winners on the Orioles staff, and the O's rolling through the weaker AL for the third straight year. Looking back, that Pirate team had the toughest 1-8 hitting lineup in MLB, and a pretty good pitching staff of their own. In this series, between Blass, Briles, Giusti and Kison: 39 & 2/3 innings pitched, ERA: 1.00. Pirate's pitchers (except for Game 2) shut down Baltimore's bats. Boog Powell and Dave Johnson looked lost at the plate. The better team definitely won, in spite of what earl Weaver had to say afterwards.
I agree. I’ve said that the Pirates pitching staff in ‘71 is and was underrated. It was a very deep, versatile staff. And they knew how to pitch, from rookie Bruce Kison to the established hurlers. The Pirates were faster than the Orioles, as good in defense (and were much better in that department in the Series), and featured better overall hitting and bench. Two superb teams, closely matched, but the edge even in paper belonged to the Pirates. Before game 1, Kubek predicted that the Pirates would win in 7 games. The other factor: the Clemente factor. The Orioles -and the baseball world- found out what he was about.
The better team did not win. The Pirates pitching shut down the Orioles bats after the first two games. The pitching by the Pirates was like catching lightening in a bottle because if you are going to tell me their staff was better than the Orioles four 20 game winners I would have to disagree.
@@georgehakimian5949 If you will kindly re-read what I wrote, I didn't say the Pirates' staff were better than the Orioles' staff. I said they (Pirates) had "...a pretty good pitching staff of their own". I will disagree with you when you say "The better team did not win". The Pirates beat the Orioles in 7 games, and they were superior in every phase of the game during that series. Yes, the "better team" DID win in '71.
@@jgowin66 I appreciate your response & I will say the Pirates did play better in 4 of those seven games but that I will still say that the Orioles were the better team. Sometimes the better team does not win the world series. Just look down through history, an example of that would be the 1969 Mets. Position by position I will have to say respectfully the Orioles were better. There was a reason the Orioles were favored..
@@georgehakimian5949 Thank you. With respect, your usage of "better team" can only be subjective. I am going by the results of a best-of-seven series. Objectivity. However, for a moment, let's talk subjective. The Pirates had, without question, a better hitting line-up than the Orioles. The Bucs won 97 games in '71, only 4 fewer than the Orioles won in a weaker AL. I watched every game of that series, and the outcome wasn't a surprise to me. The Pirate pitchers' mastery over Oriole hitters was a bit surprising, but that was it. After game 7, in a snarling fit, Earl made the statement that the Orioles were "...STILL the best damn team in baseball...", and said they would prove it by winning another 100 games next year. They didn't, slipping to 3rd in the AL East, in '72. Regarding the Mets of '69, they won 100 games, in (again) a tougher league, and won 4 straight over the O's, after dropping Game 1. Mets starting pitching was on a par with the Orioles, but the Mets had the BEST starter of either staff (Seaver), and had a much better bullpen, with a righty closer (Taylor), AND a lefty closer (McGraw). A better example of "better team" losing in 7 games would perhaps be the 1960 Yankees, who lost to a Pirates team that were not close to the Yanks...on paper.
There is NO OTHER THROW on MLB history better than that one.... Game 7, 9 Inning, Championship on the line... in a World Series... from the deepest part of Right Field, and THE GREAT ONE, THE GOAT, Roberto Clemente, bring the ball in the chest of Manny Sanguillen in front of the plate... like a bullet from a sharp shooter.... I mean please... Clemente was better and IS BETTER than ANY other player in MLB history... that’s why the GOAT of NBA, Michael Jordan, has Clemente in the top of his list if the greatest athlete. Think about that gentlemen!
my childhood hero and even a greater of an example of what a human being should be in and out the field he had two problems he was from Puerto Rico and black but he played thru all of that and died in a way that only Legends gets to died
At the end of game 3, Curt mention that the Orioles winning streak ended at 15, well it was close, but it was actually the end of a 16 game win streak.
I was a senior in high school at the time and was unable to watch the series. Mostly because most of the games took place during school hours. Bummer. Thanks RU-vid. It took a while.
Overshift - this is a baseball term some people do not know unless you are deep into baseball, but this "overshift" refers to a unique defensive arrangement on the infield. It was said by Curt Gowdy....Two overshifts in the infielders are possible.....1. The third baseman stays as is, the shortstop goes very close to second base, the second baseman goes between first and second very very close to first base in the deep infield, and the first baseman stays as is.2. The third baseman stays as is, the shortstop goes between third and second base, very, very close to third base but in the deep infield, the second baseman is between third and second, and the first baseman is a bit off first base.A manager would call for the defensive infield to "overshift" whenever a dangerous offensive hitter has the strong ability to hit along the foul lines in a fair ball lots of times, and the overshift's purpose is to cut off the offensive run or cut the base hitter's chances of getting extra bases.
No. Frank had more power than Clemente. Clemente hit for higher average, and was better defensively. I'd put them on the same tier, along with Ernie Banks, and Al Kaline from that era.
Actually there is more to being a better player than just having power, their stats offensively are VERY close (aside from HRs), defensively Clemente was better and during playoffs Robinson was like another A-Rod (He choked)...Being a more all around player makes you a better player IMO
Robinson has better power numbers but in every other aspect of the game Clemente was superior. And if Roberto hadn't played his whole career in Forbes field, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.
Clemente was superior to robinson in every way .except power :"numbers"...Clemente had just as much power as robinson but refused to change his line drive style and chose to hit for avg. instead
The Birds club the Bucs in the first two games and yet the Bucs would win the series in 7 games. Remember 1960? They'd do it again in 1979. Ridiculous.
Nice to find what can only be described as a "Gowdy," in that the venerable broadcaster will say something that has to do with the sport in general, but not be accurate in the specific moment. At 30:58, Gowdy sets up Game Seven by referencing "'68," which was the last 4-3 WS. This, of course, is 1971. Gowdy would occasionally transpose the nicknames in a national broadcast, "The Baltimore Tigers against the Detroit Orioles," for example.
Had he actually called this the 1968 World Series, you don’t think the editor or the director would’ve caught that before releasing the finished film? It’s okay to dislike Gowdy but stay apprised, man.
I recall the eyeglasses on that suit and tie Baltimore guy there at the first. Those glasses were sold on the inside of the back pages of comic books back in the day. You could see through walls, women's clothing and all sorts of things with them. They were great!!!
Clemente was the MVP of the National League in 1966...Robinson was a fine power hitter but there are many more ways to win games than with the bat. Along with 4 batting titles, Clemente had 12 golden gloves and he had the most hits in the decade of the 1960s.