Watch the original XFX THICC review for more information on this card: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-IwczmQNHVfo.html OTHER PRODUCT FIXES WE'VE DONE: 1: H500P Meshify - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-sAzAO9VQPmI.html (turned into a real product!) 2: MSI EVOKE OC 5700 XT thermal pad fix - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-PdC8konCqMM.html 3: Vega Frontier Edition fix - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-WbS7c2Een8o.html 4: GTX 1080 Ti Hybrid fix - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-bQ-Y08enNG0.html And grab the GN toolkit or modmat at the store: store.gamersnexus.net/
Hi, I've seen you fix the thermals of many different components now and I thought you could might help me with one of mine. I've got a asrock taichi x570, 3700x, power devil 5700 xt and an pcie 4.0 m.2. My South Bridge temp with just waiting in bios for ~15 mins is 68 degrees celcius - in bios.... While gaming it will reach 76-78. Asrock says its within specs, but with the SB cooler running at 5-6000 rpm it is clearly audible, while the gpu is not. Can you help me figure out how to lower these temps? By the way, have already disassembled the SB and the thermal pads have a mark from the mounting pressure. Hope you can help with some guidance, thanks :-)
The biggest improvement would be to the factory employees salary. I small increase in the payment and task rotation between workers (in order to mitigate fatigue) would do wonders to increase the laborers number.
Step one: buy THICC Step two: take off everything manufacturer added making it more efficient. Step three: wonder why you didn't just buy a more efficient card in the first place.
I just ordered the DD Ultra (non-XT variant of this card) as it was by far the cheapest AiB 5700 available in my region (seriously, the others cost >40 € more). Might flash it with XT bios (Thicc or AMD reference) at some point if I need a power boost. Are there any downsides or concerns I should be aware of before stripping the plastic off my card?
You guys are amazing, most reviewers would just say "it's garbage" and bin it. However, you lot prototype fixes for a giant company that should have realized their shortcomings in the design phase. This is why your reviews are the best, it's why you guys are so highly regarded, and it's why I'll always trust your well worded\comprehensive testing. Bravo, keep up the great work. Fu@k the haters.
Seeing how sloppy XFX were here not only means I will not buy this card (not like I would buy a RX 5700XT anyway) but means I will not even concider XFX cards at all when it comes to my next purchase.
I would buy the card only to remove the backplate and replace it with a nice 30mm high, finned cooler for extra thiccness. Add some extra back fans for good measure.
Would like to see a video with more in-depth info on Shenzhen labor shortages and how that is affecting design. Edit: Maybe generalize that into the difference between designing for manual assembly to partially manual to fully robotic assembly. Just how much robotics are used to create the motherboards, CPUs, GPUs, power supplies, etc that we buy?
i'd guess cpu production is fully automated on motherboards the placing of a few throughole components is done manually the rest idk often the testing / feeding the testing machines is done manually
"Your 40 dba normalised test is biased" GN: takes 20 seconds to give concise, straightforward counterarguments and welcomes further debate wihtout even flinching Other techtubers: 20 minute response video of "Is OuR TeStInG BiAsEd zZoMg"
@@devilmikey00 is that true though? (Asking because I have a Lenovo laptop with a sticker on it, I'd like to upgrade to an SSD but that thing's on the way...)
@@12pandemon can't they refuse RMA then though? I know it is illegal for them to do this, but most people aren't going to have the funds or time to battle a manufacturer in court should it get that far. The USA gov needs to enforce these polices more
Guess their place got taken by PowerColor. They used to be the cheaper alternative for ATi/AMD, but with their RedDevil cards they pretty much work at the top.
@@slipknotboy555 Their polaris stuff really was not fine, I own an RX 480 from xfx and when I took the backplate off and applied a new thermal paste I dropped temps by around 8°C. And don´t even get me started on their fans.
@@HappyBeezerStudios yeah xfx was the top brand and powrcolor may blow at any time but was cheaper. My have times changed. Gigabyte on the Intel said was crap while Asus was God. Now the other way around
XFX should thank GN for describing in detail how to do it ! - Pathetic design, no real engineering padded with cosmetic shit for marketing. Good job XFX. Pitty, they were the legend on RX 480/580 and radeon series before... Gr8 work GN, you guys ROCK !
Please review the thicc 3, I have seen videos from others stating that they fixed most of the issues with this product, but I would like to see your input.
@@DawidDoesTechStuff no problem bud I thought it was strange it only had 3k views and looked back after the upload time so I definitely understand brotha. Hope you're have a good night.
I appreciate the level of detail that you have gone into in regards to this card, it's hard to say you're dragging them for no reason when you present such well written commentary about the state of this product
XFX either built this card in too short of a timeframe, resulting in a crap design or didnt test the designs they had at all. I'd wager its a mix of both.
"Hey, people like bigger graphics cards these days. Let's throw useless plastic all around it and make it huge! Who cares if it harms thermal results."
@@CaveyMoth The extra plastic would be fine if the fans and fin stack accounted better for it. If we made products made purely on performance everyone would be using a test bench and we would have much better fan solutions.
I am not surprised by these results. I once reduced temps by 6C by removing a piece of plastic off an R9 290 from XFX and 15C+ off VRM temps by literally flipping the thermal pad upside down.
I just modded my XFX 5700 XT THICC II: All plastic parts removed except the part holding the fans. Backplate removed. Memory plate (stainless steel) removed. Memory temperature is worse now: 97°C junction (max) & 104°C memory (max) @ Shadow of the Tomb Raider. Before: 97°C junction (max) & 92°C memory (max). I did not alter the fan speed. Using the latest bios available from the XFX website. Edit: I misunderstood and thought they'd removed the memory plate too. I readded the memory plate and added paste on the contact points of the plate and the cooler. In contrary to Gamers Nexus I did not remove the thermal pads between the memory plate and the cooler. Memory temps are improved a lot now - still 92°C max but the average temp is lower. Thank you Gamer Nexus :)
I'm not a pro pc builder, techniquer, IT-Specialist or whatever, but I don't like the messup of thermal pastes, that's why I would go this: first a thin thermal pad, then on that a thin copper and then on the copper again a thin thermal pad, to avoid scratches by the copper. Just my thoughts about thermal paste. I just like noiceless passive cooling (material+heatspreader and ofc airbreath).
Companies should pay Gamers Nexus for fixing their product really. I bought the H500 Mesh from CM and I know now I'm loving the case because the folks at GN helped it to where it is today. Otherwise I'd be staring at an acrylic front window blocking the 2x200mm fans...
I ordered a 5700xt Thicc 2 yesterday. I heard they fixed actually every problem with the card and drivers are top now too. I got it for 369€ including shipping.
2 Months later and i wanted to give a headsup. The Thicc 2 Ultra was actual trash, dont buy it. The contact to the coldplate still sucks balls. Refunded the first one and the second one also had the same problem. Refunded the second one too and got me a Nitro+. I undervolted it to 1.1v and 2100mhz real boost.
So what i'm reading is, if you find one of these on a steep discount somewhere, you can drastically improve the performance with a screwdriver and a tube of thermal paste and a recycling bin.
So I got this card when it came out because (maybe thanks to scathing reviews?) it was a lot cheaper than all other AiB 5700s. I was waiting for XFX to send me the THICC III copper memory plate for most of this time, but they ghosted on all non-XT owners because of COVID. Today, I finally got over that disappointment and opened the card to remove the McD plastic & backplate, repaste and tighten properly. I also adjusted a thermal pad on the memory plate that was even worse positioned than the one in this vid; it only made contact with 1 of the 4 cooling pipes (???). After testing before & after with Superposition and 5 min Furmark, the GPU temp went down 20 °C, hotspot by 10-15 °C and memory by 10 °C. These are rough values, as there were some small differences in fan speed & starting temp. Absolutely ridiculous improvements for what barely qualifies as "modding." Highly, highly recommended.
Good investigation and report. Ironically I saw a stripped down version advertised in Australia. The HIS Radeon RX 5700 XT IceQ X2 graphics card for review. PCB designed by Pine Group, XFX parent company.
I believe that plastic layer on the backplate doesn't allow a good heat transfer from the thermalpads, I removed it on mine, a pain in the ass to remove the glue residue, so I only cleaned where there was going to be contact. I also thought that the plastic shroud was trapping heat, this video proved it.
I bought an XFX RX 590 Fatboy,, had to return it to Amazon. After two minutes of gaming my whole system would crash. I adjusted the fan curve to have the fans run at 100% always, couldn't even have a conversation around my PC with it like that, and it still crashed!! The coil whine was so bad too, and my PC sounded like a 18 wheelers engine when it was cooling down. Anyways I wanted a red system but after I got my refund I went and bought a 2060 Super, felt a bit sketch about AMD GPUs, still some issues but I think I have them all fixed now, driver related. I was going to get a 5700 but in Canada the aftermarket cards still aren't available last time I checked, happy with my 2060 regardless. Point is blows my mind how they sold that shit to me when it wouldn't function at all, and I was worried I was melting my motherboard lol
One argument For testing noise normalized is that it will be equal to real world conditions. If someone thinks the card is too damn noisy, they might reduce the fan speeds, and if they aren't bothered by noise, they might increase fan speeds to improve the thermals. This is the simplest way for a user to tweak their cards, and probably the first thing they will try, unless they go directly into overclocking, etc. All in all, this is a highly relevant test.
While it wouldn't really be reversible, I would be interested in loading that steel memory plate with some bits of solder and brazing it to the heat pipes and cold plate. Could probably be done fairly easily with a heat gun and some strips of regular solder. The steel shouldn't sink so much heat to make it impossible. 🤔
better done before filling and closing up the pipes (like they do when making coolers). there are plenty of examples around of what happens when you try to 'reflow' a GPU after the heat pipes or vapor chamber was filled and sealed up (people stuffing cards into the oven without removing the cooler first). Insta expand-a-plate, and broken card, lol. FYI, PC heat pipes are often designed to operate up to, "up to" 125c, the temp needed to melt solder is closer to over 450c, that's a tad beyond 125c, lol.
@@Zarcondeegrissom Ohhhyeahh.... heat pipes sealed with water vapor + heating to solder melt temps = BOOM! Yeah... that's probably not a smart idea now that you mention it. 🤣
Thanks for never following up on any of xfx's attempts on fixing issues with their card and instead sucking off msi for their minor improvements. Good job guys.
I should be releasing my vid on Modifications made to Asrock Challenger RX 5700 to improve thermals, prob this weekend. A huge improvement for me, as I run Memory intensive applications and dropped from 104c to 92c.
I love mine, although doing an Undervolt keeps it cool in ANY game so far. its OC'd alot outta the box/default runs anything 1080 or 1440p and the coolest looking one
I love these types of follow up videos. I recently upgraded from GTX 970 to Asus TUF Gaming RX 5700 XT and coil whine is so much more annoying. Not specifically the Radeon cards but could you either talk or make video about coil whines in general? Why?How? Can it be fixed by manufacturers? etc... Thanks, cheers!
The note you had on the reduction in workers available in Shenzen is fascinating. I recently was in the market for a 2080ti, and as an owner of the Gigabyte Aorus 1080ti (not the Xtreme, just the 11G), being overall very happy with it, I first looked at the direct 2080ti SKU that was available. The price was pretty awful to begin with, but aside from that, the entire design was a very clear step down from the preceding Aorus model. The heatsink design, backplate, and shroud were all much lower tier. From the extremely robust 1080ti design, the 2080ti Aorus looks about like the more mid-range 1070/1080 AIB variants in overall cooling design. PCB wise it still seems like a fairly premium product, but everything outward from there was a decliine. Ended up going with Zotac this time around, as the performance vs $ was better with what I had to choose from.
Wouldn't making the top part of the plastic covering vented with some slats also improve temps by giving heat and air a way out? Obviously, not having the plastic there to begin with would be best but if they wanted to keep the plastic there for looks, making it vented might still yield an improvement to thermals.
This sort of content is why I'm more than happy to grab merch as often as I can afford it, regardless of shipping. Love your work to educate and provide solutions for the community.
Is the backplate even metal? It looks so shiny, could be plastic. But yeah some downstamping and fins (to keep it as thicc) would make for some awesome visuals.
@@HappyBeezerStudios I thought I heard the backplate make a metallic ding sound when he removed it in the teardown video, but I might be misremembering.
Man I bought the THICC III on Black Friday, it was cheap, 390€, it actually has copper plate for the memory instead of steel, and three fans, and I thought I'd be better, but thermals are still pretty bad and now I don't know if I should return it or just remove the useless plastic. I mean, temps decreased A LOT with this solution, so much that it could actually be a great card, if I get those results (-6º Memory, -13º GPU edge and -7º VRM Mos). I don't know what to do.
I decided to return it. Even thought it looks like they improved the memory plate, now copper, that part actually got the worst results. 92ºC after just 10 minutes of gameplay! With fans turning at 60% speed, 2047 RPM! GPU Edge was ok 73º, VRMOS meh 82º, hottest point 94º. How's that possible? 92º and 94º with 3 fans at 2000 RPM? Apart from the plastic probably making the air run in circles inside the card, a faulty mount I guess. But the most frustrating of all was not being able to set up manual fan speed in Afterburner, because it produced flickering. This card doesn't want to allow you to change the fan curve. Now I understand Steve's frustration even more than before, and I think that's XFX's fault.
@@Albert24346 I ordered a 5700xt Thicc 2 yesterday. I heard they fixed actually every problem with the card and drivers are top now too. I got it for 369€ including shipping.
the XFX 290x Double dissipation edition had the same black with chrome accents and that beautiful look. And that cooler was double slot and was able to tame the Hawaii core underneath way more efficiently. They did it then, there's no excuse they couldn't do it now.
Steve, because of you and your team modifying and improving the design of the Coolermaster case to mesh, and Coolermaster's implementation response, I bought that case. I am proof that consumers watch and listen to your criticisms of these kinds of products. XFX you could stand to pay attention to the staff at Gamers Nexus, instead of giving flippant comments towards a community that cares and wants to see you improve. Kudos to you and your team Steve!
hmm - My XFX 5700 (that is non-XT) reaches to just over 100 degrees in Radeon overlocked mode. I suppose I should do something about my card as well. - It's a good performer, but the fans just go nuts now and then when it's constantly sitting around 95-100 degrees with the most demanding games and it's really fatiguing to play with, even with half-open headphones. - That said, I sit right next to the case and it's very "open" with more than half of the walls being mesh. - On top of that, I've even put two 140mm fans as intakes right onto the GPU's own fans, but it only helps a little bit.
Hey Steve, XFX supposedly fixed the THICC II cooler (ref www.techpowerup.com/260696/xfx-revises-rx-5700-xt-thicc-ii-cooler-offers-replacements-to-current-owners), IMO it would be useful for you to do a follow-up review of that new design to see if they ACTUALLY fixed it.
I would say that XFX did take this feedback to heart. The 6900XT 319 Merc was considered one of the best cards of it's generation for it's air cooling all while looking a lot like the Thicc.
So, if I'm comparing the charts and doing the math right, repasting, with no plate and no plastic actually puts this right beside the Gigabyte, Sapphire Pulse, and Sapphire Nitro @220w for GPU junction thermals?
Pretty much this is why I always go with Sapphire they might not be the best money/performance ratio but they are well designed and their cooling solution is one of the best.
When do manufacturers learn, that a bit piece of metal, also called backplate, does a great job at dissipating heat from connected chips. Like, using a metal backplate and putting thermal pads between it and the RAM chips on the backside of the card.
Gn is the only one that is this negative on this card out of all reviews, isnt it possible they got a bad card? I got this card, i can run every game i own at 60fps on high every setting on my 1440-3440 60hz ultra wide monitor. And the card is even placed 90° so its close to the glass of my case. Still its not loud at all.
Hi,. I love your content! Was wondering if you plan to do any video on the newer improved Thicc III card? I value your opinion and would love to hear what you have to say about it!
They did a video about the THICC III Ultra where finally XFX got it right but have searched and no video on the THICC III. As for others doing reviews of it I wanted to hear it from these guys before I would spend money on the XFX THICC III even if it is at a good price now.
I speculated already that air would get trapped under that plastic, plastic doesn't have a lot of holes for air to pass through. Next time XFX should put functionality first and only within those constraints work on the looks, or not at all.
Wouldn't it have been easier to just sand down the screw holes on the back of the plate 3-4mm rather than that huge mass of thermal pads? xD Love the work you guys do!
i think noise doesnt scale linearly with temperature. i recommend 35db noise normalized testing, as coolers will have to be improved generally to perform adequately. 35db seems to be a more realistic use case for me
I love this card and am enjoying it daily. This card takes on every single game I thrown at it with not a single issue. I am extremely happy with my purchase. I come to these videos to try and understand what the hell they are talking about. I don't really understand half of what he is saying but I know one thing and its that my thicc is exceeding my expectations so I guess its irrelevant to watch someone bashing it.
@@evalangley3985 weird because my thicc ii reaches high 80s on certain games even with fan curves adjusted and i even tried undervolting. i think i just got a crappy card cause it reached high temps even though it was brand new.
They could get away with 4 screws and razor thin gap between dies and radiator if they'd invest in precision machining, what's the problem measuring height of radiator/die/mounting holes and set it up for 0.1mm. Enough for paste application, and super thin ram/mosfet thermal pads. Machining and planing with 0.1mm tolerance is child's play
I'm surprised at the fact that it's difficult to find people to put together these GPUs in Shenzhen. Kind of ironic. Perhaps people in the U.S. could help out, maybe have new factories here set up so that these cards can be put together the right way.
