Worship Tech Booth Makeover | Presentation Computer Video Switcher (ATEM Mini Pro) 

Thanks for everything you do man. I see a lot of people who aren't appreciative or only combat what you give for information. We have a very small church, 50 on a good day. We use multitracks, a QU32, SM58's, with pro presenter, and an Atem mini pro to do our online everything. I currently mix live in the sanctuary which isn't the easiest and I'm still learning, but without your videos this past year,I wouldn't be where I am. So thank you, I appreciate them.

You can also control the videohub and projector signals with a Streamdeck running companion. I have a page dedicated to our projectors and I can send any of our 20 outputs to any of the 3 projectors with the push of a button.

Hey Jake Dante isn’t officially supporting yet but I was part of a pilot test for Dante via and it works flawlessly for our M1 Mac mini. We use it to route our audio from logic mixing our livestream to Ecam. For our program outputs Audio is rock solid!

For my church, what I did was use the program feed from switcher into the computer for the screens. On that computer, I use OBS for IMag and additional functions and scenes.

We received our ATEM Mini Extreme which replaced both an ATEM Mini Pro and and an ATEM Mini. We also have the M1 Mac mini. We faced the same issue of trying to get live video to the house projectors and solved it the same way you did by pulling out the unused ATEM Mini and using it as a video switcher. Works like a charm switching between the livestream and ProPresenter and I like that I can use transitions when making the switch or do an instantaneous hard cut.

NDI is an amazing method of routing video from anywhere to anywhere using your Ethernet network. We have our projector on NDI and so can connect it to OBS broadcast output or EasyWorship lyrics/presentation. There is a webserver in the NDI Studio Monitor app (running on a small PC connected to the projector) so we can change it during a service from OBS program feed to EasyWorship and back again. It's a brilliant way of showing our pre-recorded worship sets to our in building congregation as well as our on-line congregation. It gets rid of most of the HDMI cables. An interesting point is that broadcasters are moving away from SDI into ethernet based transport (SMPTE 2022/2110) to simplify cabling and I can see why (but NDI is much simpler than the broadcast solution).

I know that feel. Sometimes 1 solution creates more problems to solve lol. Thus is Modern Tech

We are using a BM ATEM Television Studio Pro HD to handle the signal to the projector. The Atem switcher has inputs from 2 separate ProPresenter computers, for easy switch between different content prepared, for more than 1 to help operate CG, and for backup if the running ProPresenter should stop for some reason. That has helped us so many times. Also functions as sound switch so only 1 pair of inputs are to be used for the audio mixer. If there are extra songs added in the last minute, a translation missing, message notes or slides that need to be added or changed, it can all be done by CG operator nr. 2 while another is running the program on the other ProPresenter. Have added a simple 4x4 matrix HDMI switcher to handle the multiview from the 2 ProPresenter computers with a scaler in between to handle the EDID, HDCP etc. so ProPresenter does not crash during a change of display (Was a big problem before ProPresenter 7) Also having a overview camera feed and a copy of the program out to switch to on the 4x4 HDMI switcher, with extra monitors for CG operators, light and sound engineer to switch between and use.

IMAG Video: YES PLEASE!! Been the bane of my existence and would love to see some low-latency workflows.

I use NDI and I get the same results

To get audio out of the ATEM we used a cheap audio extractor from Amazon. The program audio goes out of the HDMI out port so just add it inline wherever your sending program feed out and wala. You can find them with 3.5 and rca outputs. I wish the mini had a separate audio out but oh well.

Hey Jake, we run one Blackmagic 4K 1 m/e and utilize the aux outs. You could do the same with the TV studio HD, it would cost less than the two Atem Minis. Stream out your program feed and send your projectors on the aux out. When you want to go “IMAG” just have a macro to switch aux to program, then when you are done have a macro to switch aux (projector) back to the propresenter input. There’s a lot of advantages to running things this way. I’m sure there’s advantages to the way you are running things too.

We are using an ATEM Studio HD with the AUX OUT feeding one of our two sanctuary projectors. The other projector is fed directly off of our iMac Pro (running Pro Presenter). With this set up we are able to send any of the ATEM inputs to our #1 projector. It just so happens that we patched one of the program outs into ATEM INPUT #8... which means that we can route a program feed to our #1 projector via the AUX channel out. The switching of the AUX OUT source is remotely controlled by our STREAMDECK. One use of this set up is to have a dedicated laptop running SKYPE. We are able to see and hear the FAR END live as the pastor interacts with them. The congregation can see computer content on one screen and SKYPE on the other. If we want both screens to show the iMac Pro, we simply change the source of the AUX OUT. Again, we do this change remotely with our STREAM DECK and it does not interfere with the normal switching that takes place on the ATEM. THIS WORKS WELL FOR US. Jim G.

I have the same issue in our Bible class where I am splitting my computer HDMI out into two screens, I have to reconnect each individually for the projector and TV to find it. I would love to get to a system like this, but 90% of the items I use, are what I can afford and buy myself. I am also usually the only one running both the soundboard in-house, the soundboard for live stream, and the cameras and switcher. For now, I have an Elgato Stream Deck to help get the two different camera views, with or without our presentation (we are still using PPT for now), and then just our presentation. It is working for the most part, but a lot of ways to improve as we get more money and I learn more. As my knowledge is limited, I use SLOBS to create the scenes and to live stream to YT.

Great idea! We are using a BMD Smart Videohub CleanSwitch and a Videohub Master Control. This gives us lots of routing possibilities, and lots of macro buttons that we have presets for specific display orientations.

Hey just a tip, look into companion, it could have solved your switching issue with the hub. You would have only needed to run a sdi from the decklink card to the hub for the extended desktop instead of getting another switcher with multiple connections. Im just trying to say it increases the risk of something going wrong and increases troubleshooting time. Also when paired with an elgato stream deck its a really powerful tool, especially when trying to consolidate operators.

What we do at our church is have you atem television switcher and that have a dedicated Aux feed that we feed the projectors then for ease of use for other people that don’t know how to use it. We put a stream deck out that just has macros to fire different things to the projector.

We are running a blackmagic 40x40 router with a production me1 in out video control room and a television studio hd at foh for our projector switcher. Needed to have the ease of use for our teams but the super flexibility for down the road growth in tech needs. Love my set up!

interesting you bring up that "bug"... I am wondering if the ATEM Mini Pro and the ATEM mini Pro ISO handle inactive HDMI inputs .. For example the ISO is built to record individual inputs as a file therefore it would have to be 'active/active' else if not recording it would be "active/standby " the computer's GPU would sense inactivity as a "powered down monitor" or disconnected. All this explanation to set up for the following question: Would the ATEM Mini ISO NOT have that issue? and would it behoove Blackmagic design to update the ATEM Mini PRO's firmware to prevent that from happening. Great Content... Keep on Keeping on.

We plan on using one as a simple switcher for presentation/DVD/poor man's IMAG/surprise laptop. Running Proclaim on a PC, ATEM 1 m/e for 4 camera switching. Interesting to see if IMAG latency is any worse than we are getting with our Kramer VP719 switcher/scaler. Had to upgrade from the 719 to the ATEM mini for our new laser projectors with higher resolution.

9:14 Yes! We occasionally have a guest speaker who will bring their own laptop and presentation. Having that extra input would be ideal because these things tend to happen at the very last minute and the last thing I want to do is change a bunch of inputs 5 minutes before service.

I just ordered an Atem Mini this lunchtime, for the exact same reason. Really looking forward to integrating it with our Companion & Stream Deck (much of which is, in turn, automated by MIDI signals sent from Proclaim).

I was thinking of doing the same with a spare ATEM mini I have here, with the advantage over the currently-used cheap switcher that the ATEM provides 4 concurrent HDMI end-points that do not vanish when they are not in use. Essentially, the ATEM mini could replace a Kramer Switcher/Scaler in many scenarios at a much lower cost, with the minor inconvenience that you need an HDMI audio extractor to grab the audio for the FOH, whereas the Kramer boxes have that functionality built in.

Hey Jake - would LOVE to see an IMAG video 👍

Sounds great! I was going to talk to leadership team on how to do live video announcements. Right on time!

Would you be willing to upload a video showing us how you used the ATEM Mini pro to connect it to the front screen through your computer? All I'm finding online are videos of how to use it to stream, but none on how to use it as a video switcher for church.

I would like to do something like this for my church,

Absolutely great idea Jake!!!! Thanks for this

Hey Jake. try using an extender over ethernet for that signal dropping issue

This is amazing idea. However, you could try the looks feature on Pro presenter. Pipe in the video feed to one of the Decklink ports if you have some to space then you just change what’s going to the screens. Not sure about that though. Haven’t tried it. Great video though. Thanks Jake

Hey Jake. Newtek NDI to move video feeds through out our local network, that way once the video is digitally encoded we use vMix to switch feeds to different locations. If you need any help with networking for audio and video I'm glad I to help.

So I'm pretty new with the decklink cards we just installed a decklink quad 2. Running 5 screens. My questions is the actual cable routing to make this work anyway you could do a video on just that or attach a link to some kind of diagram?

So I can use the Atem Mini to switch to another computer without delay? How about the audio interface connected to another computer? Would it not be disconnected once I switched to another computer and back to another computer? I try to use a cheap HDMI switcher; obviously, you will see the delay when switching to another (I want to see the congregation what is in the live streaming), but aside from the delay (the screen turns black), an error shows saying that the audio interface or the DAW is disconnected from OBS.

is the Wing any good for non fixed installations. i live at a boarding school and we try to convince our principel to buy a digital mixing console. but we would have to pack everything up after each event. what do you think.

You can put HDMI active Splitter between Mac Mini Hdmi out connect to active splitter (1in x 2 out) to LG monitor and third input Atem, and for this set up Atem mini is max

What happens if one of your camera is not near your Atem Mini Pro? Is there a way to connect via Bluetooth if not, what do you recommend to connect our second camera to our switcher that is further away. Thank you

Using an ATEM mini pro ($600) seems a little overkill for doing basic video source switching. You could get a 4k 5 input video switcher for less than $50. Is there a reason for using the ATEM specifically, like being able to control it with macros or that it has options for fade in/out time etc? Also, a little trick with the ATEM mini pro (if using OBS), if you are wanting a Program out but you are using the HDMI out for Multiview (so using usb for webcam), just right click on your program feed on OBS and go to "Fullscreen Projector (Preview)" and select what screen you want to send it to. This allows you to create multiple outputs, so would be perfect if you are using a Decklink duo and have multiple screens in your building that you want to send the livestream feed to, eg; Foyer, Baby room, Kids church etc.

Hi Jake! I'm curious about two pieces of equipment. 1. What monitor is that? I like how low it is to the desk. 2. What kind of wireless transmitter/receivers are those "above" the Wing? Are those microphones or IEMs? Would like make/model. Just nosey and like to see what others are using!

I send our program feed out to an overflow TV, and honestly the latency isn’t that bad, it’s there, but I have seen way worse at conferences I have been to. That TV is basically in the same room too, so it’s a “Poor Mans” imag

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Hey church front, do you guys have a link to the computer monitor in this video, or the one that you guys prefer/recommend?

What computer is your deck link duo is connected to. You mentioned the M1

Hey Jake. You could do this stuff with companion and stream deck. Quick control of video hub. Multiple actions per button.

How many displays does the Mac mini recognize it as? Is it only one or each individual display?

I have seen that you should always use video input one for computer input. Because of the video blanking problem you are having. It has something to do with sync.

Do you think a 16GB M1 Mac mini is worth it? Or the base model is fine for just ProPresenter?

Our ministry is doing this already. We use a mini and a mini pro. But still have the challenge of hearing the audio from it. I wish that Blackmagic would just enable the headphone jack in the software.

If you use an HDMI splitter between the pc and the ATEM it may help not having to reconnect the pc when you switch.

Hello, iam from México

I was having a similar issue with pro presenter showing and then not showing on my display from a new M1 Mac Mini. I changed the display properties in system preferences from auto or default to 1920 x 1080 and that seems to have solved the problem because it is now showing on the display without cutting out.

Question.... isn’t this why the “looks” function in propresenter was also upgraded? To be able to provide this type of flexibility? You create a “preservice” look where everything is configured for preservice, worship, teaching, etc etc, with the correct outputs selected. I haven’t tried it myself yet but that was my take away when watching the PP videos.

Just found the channel. Great idea! I was wondering about this for our setup. For our output we have 2 hdmi's out of a PC that in propresent act as one screen (ultrawide). Any way we could use the one out of the ATEM into these two TV's?

Jake, can you recommend a camera that will work with Atem Mini Pro's needed 10bit 4:2:2 YUV input requirement? We have 3 PTZ cameras mounted in our building but are 8bit 4:2:0 cameras and the Atem Mini Pro will not work reliably with them - keeps distorting the video feed. Black Magic said it's because mini pro has the 10bit 4:2:2 input requirement and it's our issue. So many people use them, surely not with 10bit cameras? Any ideas? We're in Australia. Thanks!

Could you use an Atem Mini instead of a Atem mini Pro?

I've been looking at the mini and another switcher (which has a small built in screen and fader switch) to do this exact same thing (just wish they were 4k) at our church and was wondering if one of them would work. Thank you. The MacMini might need an edid passthrough dongle to keep it from disconnecting.

Hey Jake, What camera are you using for the PreService Lobby announcement. I need a mobile camera for a sunrise service this Easter Thanks Brother.

On the topic of your “video hub” . I tried setting 23.98 as the switcher’s main frame rate and didn’t show up on the 27” Dell monitor we used for multiview prior with 29.97 fine. So what production monitor are you using to view your atem TV studio HD’s MV? Also the deck link duo is sending out the perfect 23.98 to the switcher with no playback issues?

Off topic, but you mentioned displaying youtube videos... How do you guys navigate the copyright laws by playing youtube videos in service or streaming them? I had the understanding that you can NOT display youtube videos other than personal consumptiont. Thanks in advance.

Hey Jake, thanks for content, very interesting as always! I had an ideia seeing the last tech booth video, could you ran yours Lightkey cues from an Elgato StreamDeck and use ProPresenter at the same time? I believe this way you could have 2 people using the same machine and not having any processing problems, what you think about it? Sorry for english, blessings from Brazil!

I would put it on multiview then switch to 3 to see if the mac mini is still disconnecting or how it is disconnecting

i thought about doing the same. at the moment we are using a cheap hdmi switcher for this. But it's cluncky and full of buggs with the connection with windows computers etc.

Hey Jake you have a link to that monitor? I am looking at using the stimulus to upgrade our stream and PP7 computer to two base mac minis and need monitors.

Hey Jake. can you share amazon link to the 24in LG monitor you are using.

Sup Jake, I'm learning a lot from your videos. Could you do a tech tour of (Joel Osteen's) Lakewood Church , Texas in the future. Looking forward to your next post.

My atem mini pro also looses signal to my M1 mac mini almost every time I turn on the Atem...

You should run the audio from the other room over ethernet. Check out soundtools products. Running audio all analogue all over cat 6.

Great video.

The real question is: where did you get that hoodie? That’s a sick hoodie.

What are you using to convert the SDI to HDMI into the Atem?¿

NDI would have been easy to send program back to ProPresenter until you mentioned other people during the week

Where is the program feed coming from?

Do you see a problem with using equipment fromblackmagic design in your church the name is kind of holding me off

In spanish please

Great content 👍🏻 Cable management 👎🏻

This is genius but I won’t be using a pro. A plain ATEM mini will do just fine with this kind of idea

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