Worst Commanders in Westeros | Game of Thrones 

Was there anyone we missed? Were we to harsh?

Can we also count Theon? He swapped sides because of Daddy issues, charged into Winterfell with a couple of men and believe he could hold it far from the coast, trusted Ramsey. I think the apple doesn’t fall far tree.

Balon Greyjoy takes the first place for sure. Man doesn't have a good choice to his name.

When it comes to holding back from saving his brothers, Stannis has the advantage in that he hates all of his brothers' guts.

It's sad because book Jon is competent, cunning, and far more ruthless. The only thing that limits him is his bastard status. Show Jon on the other hand is made into a dullard so Sansa among others can look better by comparison. The show essentially gave him a debuff to intelligence.

In the books joffrey actually wasn’t scared one bit and fully unaware of the danger they were in, another sign of his possible psychopathy

Balon's even worse when you consider, even IF he wanted to do his own thing, not tie himself down to alliances, ignore the geopolitics, attacking the Westerlands is still the best move. If the Starks win, they probably won't give a shit who sits on the Iron Throne and Balon gets to defend his new prizes from disorganized resistance. But if the Starks win, they won't tolerate the Ironborn in the North. And it doesn't matter WHO he attacks if the Lannisters win, Tywin damn well wants his grandkids ruling the SEVEN kingdoms. Like, he literally made the WORST move he could have.

I love the dumping on Balon. He is the worst and deserves more hate.

I always considered edmure actually quite good. Nothing exceptional, but solid. The mistake he gets grilled for was Robb and the Bkackfishes fault for not informing him about their plan. And edmure did an impressive defence of the river lands. He held the crossing, he won at the mill, he defended River run from the siege. He was talented enough to pit both twin and the mountain on the back foot everytime they came to arms. I belive had he been told of the plan to allow them to cross he would have handled it pretty well

I always thought that Robert spared Balon because he was hoping balon would start another Rebellion (so Robert can fight a war again)

On Edmure, the show shit on him none stop and I just don't get it. Culminating in Sansa telling the poor guy to "Please sit" And 99% of the fan base thinks that's one of the greatest moments in the series. And I (usually alone) think "Why is it wrong for him to make a case to be king." He's won battle and protected the innocent, doesn't mean he'd be the BEST king but he'd be an okay King. What makes BRAN a better king than Edmure? Literally nothing (Edmure even has a better story). WTF show!

It's always so funny to me how much Ser Allister hated him. Just imagine his reaction had he learned about Jon's true parents and heritage.

Counterpoint to Edmure letting the peasants inside the castle, that is the most basic agreement of the feudal contract. If he didn't do that, his men, who are a force of conscripted peasants, would have drowned him in the river.

I can’t believe you only have 13k subscribers, that Jon and GreyWorm impression at 10:27 was hilarious.

i miss the experience of watching this show and feeling like i'm in the GoT universe

Of all the commanders we've seen in this show, the title of "worst", at least to me, has to go to Ramsay. Sure, in the one battle we saw him in he was winning until he got caught off-guard by unexpected reinforcements, but as far as I'm concerned, ordering a volley of arrows on your own forces, even if it's in-character for him, is just a bottom-tier military move in my eyes. I don't care how many men he has to spare, knowingly sacrificing your own to hurt the enemy is just plain bad leadership, no matter what way you slice it 😠

Yes.. you took my suggestion! Thank you for including Joffrey. That made my day :)

Balon Greyjoy: *Rebelled because he thought the seven kingdoms are too fractured* Also Balon Greyjoy: *Attacked multiple kingdoms at once, giving them a common enemy*

Poor Jon got hit with the big dumb-dumb stick like the rest of the cast the moment they ran out of books. I always figured he was a pretty good commander and gave the Battle of The Bastards the benefit of the doubt because hey-he was running with all he could scrounge up at the time, Sansa was being the textbook definition of unhelpful at the time with her advice and keeping the Knights of The Vale to herself (which even Sophie Turner admitted was because Sansa wanted the credit first and foremost), and his brother's life was on the line... -and then Winterfell happened and turned the entire fanbase into armchair Pattons picking apart the defense's battle plan. RIP Smart Jon, he was taken from us too soon.

Surprised The Mountain wasnt brought up. Even the people that were like minded in his cruelty confessed that his way if commanding was pretty bad. And unless im mistaken- his forces got thrashed quite a bit.

Apparently the whole Greyjoy rebellion is just a probe of Westerosi power and he had a whole plan but we’ll never know

At 18:53 the way he says “still he could’ve had so much more” is the best line delivery ever.

I compare Jon Snow to George Washington in that they were bad commanders, but solid leaders in that they could get people to follow them, despite terrible odds. Meanwhile, their strategies and planning often failed against their enemies. Washington had intended force the British into fighting block-by-block in order to take New York, but failed to adequately defend Harlem Heights from General Howe. Jon faced similarly hopeless situations with the Battle of Castle Black, Hardhome and the Battle of the Bastards: The Wall made Mance's forces a non-issue with exceptions to the Giants and Mammoths. A simple raid by Tormund and his freefolk on the southside of the Wall nearly crippled Castle Black. Hardhome was an impossible situation where Jon's forces could only take delaying actions, buying time to allow as many freefolk to board the ships as possible before the beach was overwhelmed. Then, the reality of the situation set in with all of the casualties left at Hardhome rising up to join the Night King's army. Jon's mistakes at the Battle of the Bastards were blatant with him abandoning his plan and nearly getting all of his men killed when encircled by Ramsay's Tower Shield infantry. The real-world comparison for this would have been the Battle of Cannae but reversed, with the enveloping forces having the initial numerical advantage. Now, I feel Ramsay should have been on this list for his screwups at the Battle of the Bastards. Friendly-Fire losses from his archers cost him the battle. Had he simply maintained his volley of arrows to eliminate Jon Snow and adopted a defensive formation to counter Jon's smaller cavalry, the Battle of the Bastards would have been a Bolton victory, with the Knights of the Vale only arriving in time to see the flaying.

I feel like Balon didn’t even get the timing right because he attacked the North BEFORE making a deal with Tywin and he only reached out to Tywin after the Battle of the Blackwater was over and the Lannisters were in a much stronger position. Tywin even said, “Why do I have to give him anything, when he has done everything I wanted for Free.”

Also I bet Robert thanked Baelon cause he's like. "Gods that's the shit I need. I needed to beat the shit out of someone."

They say it's better to be lucky than good. Jon Snow is the proof of that, especially on the show, he falls ass backwards into winning battles he should clearly lose by luck alone. The battle at the wall was his only success and it was just "lucky" the Wildlings didn't come in full force. An every battle after that was 100% he only survives by luck.

You know all this is really convinced me is that you actually need to make a version of the how would the Greyjoys win video that isn't in April fool's joke

Loved this one! Where would you say Roose Bolton belongs on the more average side of commanders? Or was he just outside of one of these lists?

is Jon Snow the worst commander? not if Cersei has anything to say about it. depending how loosely you define your terms Cersei counts.

Tyrion did well preparing for the siege of King's Landing, you got that right. But the sorties were a classic blunder of trying to do too much--Stannis, for example, would have husbanded his garrison until the relieving army showed up. It appears Tyrion merely sent out the parties just for the sake of doing something. Edmure should have never been in charge of a large force. There's not much more to say, he's a victim of the Peter Principle via high birth. Lame Harry Strickland is a bureaucrat. He appears to have been an excellent quartermaster and knowing logistics is an important attribute for any commander...but he showed no aptitude in either practice or theory of warfare. The books imply that the only reason he's Captain of the Golden Company is to function as a prudent figurehead until (f)Aegon was ready assume control. Jon's tenure as Lord Commander is actually quite fascinating. Too bad DnD thought it would be boring and neutered that whole arc. Balon Greyjoy is perhaps the greatest military missmind of his generation. Only a true paragon of insipidity would wage total war with pinpricks against 85 percent of the Westeros. His second run at kingship is somehow even stupider--he saw an opportunity to seize some rocky shores and thought that was worth risking everything. Seriously what was his plan here? What did he think he could actually accomplish?

The Jon and Grey Worm reenacting was priceless 😂

That was a fantastic Greyworm impression!!!!

I’d say Aegon the Uncrowned was pretty stupid. A young, inexperienced commander with a young and smaller dragon challenges his older, battle hardened, uncle with Balerion. Doesn’t work on paper let alone on the field

The Mountain vs Sandoq the Shadow!

The greyworm and John impression was hilarious

Your Greyworm inpersonation is pretty good lmao

Awesome! Couldn't agree more! Jon is a shit military tactician. His greatest strength is as a leader in general: his ability to unite people and make them back his cause. If Stannis could borrow a bit of that quality, he would be unbeatable. And THANK YOU for doing Edmure justice. If the show did anyone dirty, it was Edmure. Rob was an idiot for not telling him the plan (or just the gist of it), and just exopcting him to sit idle by in his castle while the Mountain slaughtered his people.

You weren't harsh enough on the battle of Winterfell. You called the Dothraki cavalry "shock troops" but what they really are is scouting/skirmishing cavalry due to their light(no) armor and agility. Shock cavalry would be fully armored knights with lances. So it's even worse to blindly charge light cavalry into a zombie army than to use knights.

Give Tyrion credit. His planning saved Kings Landing...from Stannis...in the Battle of the Blackwater. And he led from the front in actual battle. The rest of the time he was more of a consiglieri, than a battle planner.

i think jon is far better then hes ultimately portrayed in the show. The wall was a great feat, in the show at winterfell against ramsay he made a very smart and detailed battle plan as they discussed to win with their smaller numbers and pull ramsay into an all out attack like he did on stannis, only messing this plan up because of ramsays incredible use of mental warfare tactics. However the battle of winterfell i cant defend, it was just stupidity from the showrunners having no idea how medieval warfare works. However using the dragons to surround winterfell in a ring of fire was an amazing move and hunting the night king to destroy the entire army of the dead was also smart. just not enough back up plans

dude your impression of Greyworm is... impressive

Geoffrey does have some great ideas about having a well trained standing army loyal to the crown rather than the traditional levy system of the medieval era

lol, on the topic of “in defense of jon”, book jon has so far only commanded the defense of the wall I. Which he made excellent use of limited resources and held his troops in optimal positions where they could support eachother and held the love and loyalty of many among his men. Show Jon is literally not even close to the same person, like a genuine separate character that just happens to share the same name.

Geoffrey was right when he said there should be one army only that's loyal to the crown. I forgot who said the same thing later in the series but my boy G doesn't get any love.

That impression of Jon and Greyworm were fucking great

I like how it's their morals that cause so many flaws in leading, excellent video and look forward to more down the road.

While it was mostly portrayed as comedic relief, Tyrion's diplomacy with the Hill Tribes was brilliant strategy on his part. He was able to unite tribes that did not like each other and use them to win at Green Fork. However, more importantly, he found a way to destabilize the Vale. One of the biggest obstacles with conquest is not just winning, but what happens after you win. Tyrion and Tywin both know that capturing the Vale is a massive waste of resources. By giving the Hill Tribes steel, they end up creating a perpetual, de facto insurgency that will consume the Vale's resources. Since the Hill Tribes are their own separate entity the Lannisters aren't obligated to re-enforce them or be held responsible for their actions. Another bonus is since the Hill Tribes are too simple to form much of any strategy or diplomacy, they are never a threat but instead a thorn to an enemy. This tactic also has real life implications. Often times countries can't deploy troops for financial or political reasons, so they instead provide support to insurgents that do the work for them.

For the love of the seven gods Jon for the battle of winterfell you should have had the Dothraki and other Calvary units stationed a mile or two south of winterfell in the woods somewhere. Misandrea shows up to do that flaming sword trick for them, and then they go ride out around the horde of the undead there using the speed of your horses take down the edges of the horde. With the Dothraki riding around the edge of the horde, Jon and Danny could have seen them better from above and then used the dragons to burn a lot more of the horde down. Trying to have more of the air battle with the night king down around the castle area.

The only time you put Unsullied in FRONT of gates is if they're the 3000 who saved Qohor from the Dothraki Khalasar

If it wasn't for the initial wildfire attack enough men would have made it to shore to take the walls before tywin got there. This was such a close clinch that even the hound leaving the field risked their chances. Every single action counted so much

Balon's obsession with the old way doomed him from the beginning. So focused on the destination and only sparing a glance at the difficult path to get there. Not to mention his beef with the Starks is kind of unfounded. I recall when Theon returns and Theon says Robb considers him a brother. Balon replies. "This son of the man who put your true brothers to the sword." When if you look back. That is not at all true. Rodrik Greyjoy was killed by Jason Mallister. While Maron Greyjoy was killed when the tower he was in collapsed from trebuchet fire during the siege of Pyke. So yeah, Ned is not at all responsible for the stuff Balon claims.

I'd argue Edmure's biggest mistake was pulling out the garrison in the Twins that was meant to keep Walder Frey in line. While yes, the Freys were fighting for Robb and made some sacrifices, they only did that after they strong-armed a bunch of concessions from the North.

Great video as always

The narrator going about Stannis during the Rickon bit cracks me up 😂 But he's right🤨

Ironic that Baleon is the worst... technically he won the battle of the five kings

Funny that if those 5 (or 6 in this case) worst commanders were to work together (or fused into 1 commander) they would actually be a half way decent commander (not great of course but they'd be a problem for a lot of Factions to deal with), a forward thinking (Joffery), caring (Edmure), charismatic (John), trickery (Tyrion), opportunist (Balon) commander that's not afraid to fight dirty. Together they'd would a problem for most commanders (assuming we're only fusing the best parts of each of these 6 together), but sadly the ego's (aka Joffery & Balon) would never agree to work together.

If you have a giant at your disposal and don't have him use a bow while the enemy is far outside of regular bow range, you are a failure.

I'd say Tywin should be on the list. His only notable victory was against the Reynes and Tarbecks. He lost every battle he ever fought against Robb, a green boy as he called him. He lost the entire Lannister fleet to Victarion Greyjoy in the Greyjoy Rebellion and he completely sat out Robert's Rebellion. I never understood why he was so hyped up. His greatest accomplishment seems to be using the power of Casterly Rock and the rest of the Westerlands to fight 2 minor houses. The only other accomplishment I can think of is keeping the peace with The Mad King on the throne, but Jon Arryn oversaw years of peace as well.

Bealon managed to pass on his leadership skills to his brilliant son the mighty Theon the prince of Winterfell

Personally, I think show rob really didn’t know much about actual battle tactics, which is why he relied on gorilla warfare

Off topic, but what do you think would have happened if instead of treating with the freys to attempt to get to kings landing quickly, he treated with the ironborn, using Theon-a moot piece I know- and his mother a descent negotiator to bring the iron islands into the fold. Is the Asha-Robb betrothal feasible way to victory or just a quicker way to the red wedding?

I thought in the books the plan Edmure messed up was going to go after Tywin and it was changed to the Mountain in the show. I thought they had Tywin in position to engage and try to beat him but Edmure messes it up and Tywin gets to leave and go Kings Landing to help with Stannis. I remember it very well. I hope I'm not wrong, because i remember this clearly and if I'm wrong I might be crazy.

I love the continuing topic, but Jon gets hit a bit hard don’t you think. it’s not fair to hold anything after season 5 against his character for obvious reasons and Book Snow is more politically savvy and plans his future moves a lot more. Plus would any other leader before him have crossed the wall to deal with the “wildlings” and Hardhome. As for Baylon😂 you are so spot on. He could have gotten Danny, partnered with the Dragon Queen and attacked the 7 kingdoms from port to port. He has all those ships and she needed ships 🤦

On edmure, what would you have him do with the civilians? Part of being a commander is also keeping your armies morale high. And if the families of those soldiers are outside or riverrun while they sit safe, that's basicly begging for mutany.

I so love this channel for the Stannis respect. He always was my favorite and then when the show came out I wanted everyone to see how great he was. We all know how that turned out...

I would argue that the attack on the wall was actually not a test in the show cus otherwise he wouldnt have probably lit up the whole forest so the others from the other side could attack at the same time its clear they expected to win that that day it doesnt make sense to have the king of the giants go attack if you just wanna test defences and also to use the one time suprise attack advantage from the other side of the wall its clear this was not jsut testing but they wanted to take over

Top 5 are 5) R. Baratheon 4) R. Stark 3) Stannis 2) Tarly 1) Khal Drogo. Honorable mentions are Grey Worm Ned Stark, Tyrion Euron Greyjoy and Barristan Selmy

Just think if Tormund had reached up and snatched Jon off the horse before he could throw everyone's lives away. I think Wild Rickon would have had more gazelle-like zig-zag movements and if Ramsey had been a little more book-like(dumber) he might have got out of bow range with the lead Ramsey gave him.

Babylon being an absolutely inept commander yet still technically being the winner of the war is crazy 😂💀

11:44 amazing

Renly died to a literal 1 day old child...

5:28 actually the feudal system was superior prior to the invention of gunpowder. even the eastern roman empire adtoped a feudal system and it greatly improved their effectiveness at defending their empire. feudalism was not a backwards step from centralised militaries, it was a forward step. until gunpowder changed the game.

As a Greyjoy loyalist I absolutely agree. His romanticized version of the old ways are far long gone one the isolation didn't help either. Sure he wasn't the sharpest but I'd say bitterness and a sprinkle of madness made him do unwise decisions. Adding to that is his inability to compromise. May it be Robb's offer of Casterly Rock or Tyrion's (obvious fake offer) of Myrcella being married to Theon, Balon wouldn't have agreed. His death was far overdue. Thank you Euron, very cool

Varys’s biggest weakness is that he’s got no balls. G-G-Gottem!

Tyrion was brave af. He first saw thousands of men getting killed and furied by his made fire. Then he took the charge of the rest of the lannister forces as a midget i remind you. And was the first one to charge at the enemy. That was furious from all the casualties they had taken. And how the bastard behind those walls satted on mannis's throne. The man single handedly out of pure rage was willing to peneterate the whole lannister army one by one. Till his own men had to drag him to safety. Tyrion never tried to take a glory of saving the city. And Tyrion was taken out by friendly attack by his own sister who hired one of the best sword men at the battle to slaughter a little person.... That is just overkill and he still failed.

Somehow daenerys managed to escape this list. Having giant weapons of mass destruction in the form of dragons, and forgetting about the massive iron fleet that is guarding the capital city you are trying to take, is typically very obvious to be a major failure in ability to command and lead an army.

The worst Commanders in Westeros: • Balon Greyjoy - Rose in rebellion twice; quelled once, killed second • Rhaegar Targaryen - you do not protect your Queen or your kingdom by sacrificing yourself in a one-on-one. The Battle of the Trident, should have been a skirmish -- the Crown Prince was far outnumbered for battle • Gerold Hightower, he held to his vow at the Tower of Joy, but holding to a 3 vs 11 is folly. He should have moved Lyanna Stark in carriage with a wetnurse to allied territory when he heard Stark forces were coming • Robb Stark (in alliances, command judgement, and in winning a battle at the cost of 1/10 his total force - 2000 Northmen) • Theon Greyjoy - thinking he can hold Winterfell with 20 Ironmen from a seige of Northmen • Melisandre - de facto commander of Stannis' forces - follows battle tenets according to her faith, and when things go wrong, she shift blame and lights the accused on fire • Beric Dondarrion - he might have won the melee at the Hand's Tourney, but if you get killed 6 times in battle, you suck as a commander

You're asking Edmure Tully not to defend his people? When pigs fly!

Whoever ledes the Vale military needs to be replaced (even if it's Littlefinger controlling everyone). They don't join the North and the Riverlands during the rebellion when they have strong ties and are related to both and also consider their enemy the Latinisters a threat to themselves . They could have destroyed Tawin's army if the cooperated with Boltons Northern army since Tawin was basically att the Vales doorsteps and he was also recruiting Vale tribesmen while he was there who are an enemy of the Vale and would probably return home richer and better equipped if not dealt with and creating another future problem. But here is the bigger kicker, in the show after the "North" and "Riverlands" loses they do in fact declare war on the winners the "Boltons" and probably the "Freyas" as well. This is just beyond stupid because now you are just in a rebellion on your own against the rest of the kingdoms no less. They should have either stayed neutral or joined the rebellion as soon as they could. In conclusion Both the "Iron islands" and the "Vale" should have joined the rebellion they could probably both become independent afterwards if they wanted. Stannis would probably take the Crownlands but what was he gonna do to the North and their allies? However creating this alliance would most likely have had even bigger and better consequences then one would first think. With the Latinisters destroyed and a massive new massive alliance forming the Tyrells would probably seek to join them instead of the Latinister & Baratheon forces. Also the Martells despises the Latinisters as well and have no reason to be an enemy and declare war on the North and their allies and in fact would also probably join them. There is still another force to deal with tho and that is Mance and his army of free folk / wildlings. And if Jons Snows story continues as normal he could have negotiated with his brother Robb to let them thru and settle. Since there has just been a war there are no doubt a loot of empty abandon places this might not even be to big of a problem. Now they just send in an assassin to kill the Night King and Daenerys and the world will be all good and everyone will live happily ever after.

Food for thought: Supposed greatest minds of Westeros came up with strategy for defence of Winterfell from Night King xD I'm sure they don't get as dumb as series did.

All Jon would say is “there’s no time”.

10:27 😂 best impressions

Sallying out to attack the enemy before they are entrenched IS a tried and true tactic.

to be fair with harry, he works in the book because he is paired with the bold and the impatient jon con and aegon,they really messed a lot of stuff up by not including them

What I don’t get is that their is no lord of Moat Cailin so it was just like empty for Vicky to stroll into. The key to the north! That’s a whole I can fill

I play a lot of total war and the battles in the show used to make me so mad lol fckn siege weapons outside castle walls

In the books Jon is 100% different. He was a pretty good commander and politician.

11:32 this is so beautiful because it is true

Tyrion needed to make a move. The wildfire was necessary otherwise stannis' force wouldve taken kings landing quickly. Also tyrions chain was praised as a brilliant move

2:27 all I’d say is that the bit about sorties not being tried and true is complete nonsense lol. A lot of sieges and assaults were delayed because of strong sorties, especially like the one shown in the show where they destroy the ram. Defending a city/fortified position is more about delay and cost than pure stopping power. In both the show and the books Tyrion makes Stannis pay for every inch he takes to the point where even if Stannis had won black water he’d have lost a lot of his bravest/most capable men and a decent amount of his ‘NCO’ types (minor lords/knights peasants could rally behind) in his first battle. Turning what on paper should’ve been an easy win into a costly victory (borderline pyrrhic). I think it has more to do with a combination of the marshal strength of veteran stormlanders, high morale among Stannis’s troops, and Stannis himself that Tyrion’s performance seems so poor. Against someone like Tarly or Tywin I think Stannis would’ve had an easier time given their more “orthodox” command styles. The only other person I could see coming up with something like Tyrion did with the wildfire is Rob tbh

Other than Joffrey, who D&D somehow managed to make slightly smarter, everyone was a better strategist in the books. Even Balon, who at least thought to send his best commander (Victarion) to hold Motte Cailin, and thought to give Theon a seasoned and loyal adjutant (Dagmar Cleftjaw). And eventually did seek allies (the Lannisters).

I know Balon isn't as smart as what I'm about to tell, but hear me out: Balon does hate the Starks and Stannis, and he is also disliked by Tywin because of what happened in Lannisport and his fleet, so, we need to look for an alternative that doesn't involve an alliance with any of them, gets our King of the Iron Islands his revenge against his enemies but also gets his so wanted independence paying the iron price. So, we start by dividing the most powerful fleet in Westeros, your fleet, into three: First raid the North but DO NOT declare independence YET, and even if it doesn't seem to be logical at first attacking the North was his best shot in the long run and yes, I know the North doesn't have gold nor a lot of riches as the Westerlands, but there is something at where the North is far superior to all the others six kingdoms: Wood, as simple as it is, ships are made of wood, most of the Iron Islands doesn't have trees, but the North does, better yet, the North has Ironwood, which is basically the Valyrian steel of wood, as strong as iron but not as heavy, a fleet made of Ironwood may be almost impossible to destroy, so, raid the Wolfswood, take the ironwood trees, raid their shores a little, let your captains have their fun while the no one is home, then go back to improve and make more powerful ships asap, because they would be needed, also if Theon captures Winterfell as in cannon he could have just sent Bran and Rickon to Pyke has hostages or “wards” as a vengeance to Ned for taking Theon. Second, do a blockade against Dragonstone, and keep Stannis locked there, after all, Stannis took a while to move out, so don't attack the castle, just keep him there with no escape and burn his fleet, once again, Balon takes his revenge, this time against Stannis for burning the Iron Fleet and beating Victarion. By now, Balon already got his sweet revenge against his enemies, Stannis, and the Starks, but we are not done yet, he needs to become the King of the Iron Islands so… Third, visit the Stormlands, and send someone to talk to Renly, he isn't Stannis, he isn't a Stark, and he isn't Tywin, he is just the perfect candidate to give you your independence, and, without the Redwyne fleet (since the Lannisters have Redwyne hostages making it impossible to them to join Renly and the Tyrells) the Greyjoys without questions become the biggest navy power in Westeros. 1/6

What about Book Jon Snow

Tyrion decimated half of Stanis’s fleet with out ever having being trained

I dont think it was joffrey who ordered tyrion death, (only watched the show) cersei was already planning for defeat with the executioner there to kill Sansa it isnt much of a leg to also have a kingsguard kill her brother. They even have that same kingsguard tall to her before the fight. Jeffrey looks like the guy that either orders your death right then and there or just forgets about you.

The worst is Ramsay Bolton. Hands down. Firing on your own guys is a surefire way to lose, not only the battle...but control of your whole army...the part that's still alive anyway...and almost guarantee a mutiny, _if_ you make it out alive.

I still believe Moore was in the service of baelish. Mandon Moore is a Vale man suggested by Lysa. And at the same time, the person Tyrion appointed to Janos Slynt's position is assassinated by his own men. And Baelish knows a relief army is coming, he put it together. And Tyrion is already poking around a little too much in Petyr's business

What about if Balon allied with the Lannisters before attacking the North?

6:56 Ummmm… was it intentional to use footage from LotR? 😂

Davos could have been included for committing his archers. They could have hung back and provided a refuge for the rest of the army and stopped getting surrounded.